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We just released version 1.3 which has a few notable enhancements:

- option to show overall water and mash pH at the bottom of each section. That will reduce the scrolling needed when you try to match a profile or mash pH.
- support for CRS/AMS, which is a HCL/H2SO4 mix used by our UK brewing friends
- support for malt pH parameter entry as DI water pH or acdidity in mEq/kg. That's for folks who know these parameters.

We are working hard on the integration into the recipe editor but want this to work well and intuitively. That's why its taking its time.

Kai

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All Grain Brewing / Re: Overshot Mash PH
« on: February 18, 2013, 07:30:57 am »
BrewQuest, sorry about the delay. Don't worry about PMing me when I seem to have forgotten about a thread.

When I put your data into the Brewer's Friend water calculator I get a predicted mash pH of 4.94. That is 8+% acidulated malt in this grist. No surprise that it is that low. That also matches Weyermann's rule of thumb of about 0.1 pH drop per % acid malt. When I replace the acid malt with Pilsner I get a pH of 5.71. That's about 0.092 pH drop per 1 %.

I saved the settings to this link: http://www.brewersfriend.com/mash-chemistry-and-brewing-water-calculator/?id=X2XN944

I would have gone with just 0.6 lb of acid malt. That's about 3% of the grist and should have gotten you to a pH around 5.4.

Kai

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: My water profile
« on: February 13, 2013, 09:31:20 am »
For all intents and brewing purposes you can assume that RO water is free of minerals. You may even want to pick up one of the cheap TDS (Total Dissolves Solids) meters and check it. A sufficiently good RO system should produce water with a measured TDS value of less than 30.

Don't worry about the source water minerals, leave them all empty, and add salts to get your desired water profile.

Kai

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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: My water profile
« on: February 13, 2013, 07:10:21 am »
How can the alkalinity be so high here but the brewing minerals we care about are so low?

It's because the sodium level is so high. Cl and SO4 are low, too. That leaves bicarbonate as the only anion.

wort-h.o.g, are you sure that this is straight from a well. It seems unusual to have that little calcium in well water. You may not be aware that there is a water softener somewhere.

There are elegant ways of removing calcium and bicarbonate from water, but its not so easy to remove sodium. I agree with the others, RO water would be the way to go.

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All Grain Brewing / Re: where do you take mash pH?
« on: February 12, 2013, 04:34:44 pm »
I stir the mash and take as pH sample with a small 12 ml glass vial on a stiff piece of copper wire. I then also cool the sample in that vial using ice water.

If I'm confident that the mash pH is fine I may test the first wort.

Kai

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At lower mash temp efficiency can suffer.but that can be compensated for by mashing longer or addition of a higher temp mash step.

Kai

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Beer Recipes / Re: Doppelbock recipes
« on: February 01, 2013, 04:58:03 pm »
Proof once again that I can not type for a darned. Especially on the new smart phone.

yes, my phone used to auto correct my name as well. :)

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Events / Re: AHA Conference: 2013 Call for Presentations
« on: January 31, 2013, 07:40:06 am »
I'm waiting for that too. I hope it comes before the 5th.

Kai

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Ingredients / Re: Rahr Base Malts and Bru'n Water
« on: January 31, 2013, 05:12:19 am »
I haven't tried the pilsner malt, but if it's the same barley cultivar I would expect that. Maybe the PH will be a bit higher since it id kilned to a lower color.

Kai

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Is there a way to calculate for RO or distilled water?

Leaving the source water fields empty should do.

Kai

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Ingredients / Re: Rahr Base Malts and Bru'n Water
« on: January 30, 2013, 08:57:10 am »
Wow, that looks really nice, Kai.  I can't wait to look into it further.

Thanks. The only drawback is that you need internet to use it. I know you mentioned that this is an issue where you brew.

Kai

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Ingredients / Re: Rahr Base Malts and Bru'n Water
« on: January 30, 2013, 08:08:03 am »
I have known about this issue for a while. It's not just Rahr 2-row that is a poor fit to the pH or acidity estimation based on malt color. Wheat malts tend to have a DI water pH closer to 6 and I once had a vienna malt that has a DI pH at 5.8.

That's a general limitation of all color based pH estimation (grist or beer color based). I just released the new water calculator for Brewer's Friend (http://www.brewersfriend.com/mash-chemistry-and-brewing-water-calculator) and in future releases we plan to integrate it with the recipe editor. That way we can keep pH properties of some malts, like Rahr or Weyermann, in the grain library and the tool doesn't have to estimate their pH from color.

Kai

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When I started helping Brewer’s Friend as a technical adviser I couldn’t help but notice that the mash pH predicted by its brewing water calculator was way off. Since I have done extensive work on brewing water and mash chemistry already I took this as an opportunity to develop a new Mash Chemistry and Brewing Water Calculator from scratch. The goal was to build something that provides a simple and intuitive user interface yet implements the underlying chemistry to at a level of accuracy that is generally not done in brewing water calculators. In fact the only calculator that goes to that extent is A.J deLange’s NUBWS (Nearly Universal Brewing Water Spreadsheet).

Since Brewer’s Friend is an online recipe calculator the new calculator would also become an online tool. This worked very well in its favor since it is very cumbersome to model complex systems in spreadsheets. PHP, or any other programming language for that matter, makes that type of modeling much easier. In addition to that modern web browser technology makes it simple to create dynamic forms that can readily adjust the form to only asking the user for information that is actually needed based on the context.

That was 3 months ago and after many long nights of coding, re-coding, testing and even running more mash pH experiments version 1.0 has finally been released and is available on Brewer’s Friend.

When you first open the calculator it presents itself like any other basic water with sections for source water, salt additions, grist, mash pH and final water report following this flow chart:



Flow chart for basic use of the calculator
But that’s not all. For those who need want to do more complex water treatment calculations, the full flow chart looks more like this:




The first release features makes these features available:

  • Blending of two water sources
  • Bicarbonate/carbonate content can be set from either alkalinity or bicarbonate. pH can also be entered for increased accuracy
  • Electrical balance (ion balance) of the source water
  • Simple GH&KH measurements can be used as a crude way of specifying the source water.
  • Report of basic and advanced water parameters of the source water. Among the advanced properties are temporary/permanent hardness and CO2 partial pressure
  • supports all major salts (including magnesium chloride) as well as the hydroxides slaked lime and lye
  • Alkalinity reduction through boiling and slaked lime. These are features that rely on a more accurate implementation of the water’s carbo system
  • Wide range of supported acids including the less commonly used citric, tartaric and acetic acid.
  • Salt and acid additions can be made to all water or only the strike (mash) water
  • A different water source can be used for sparge water. In most cases that might be reverse osmosis water when the tap water is suitable for mashing.
  • Salt additions to sparge water or kettle
  • Sparge water acidification with a wide range of acids.
  • Detailed report of the treated mash water
  • Support for undissolved chalk.
  • Grist pH properties can be estimated from beer color or malt bill
  • Mash pH prediction based on balancing the various weak and strong acid systems that might be present (carbo system, weak acids and grist)
  • overall water report based on the mash and sparge water profile
  • target water comparison of the overall water report

For now this tool is only available as a stand-alone calculator but Brewer’s Friend is planning to integrate it into the recipe editor. This will eliminate duplicate entry of the beer’s malt bill. It will also allow the user to use saved source water profile(s).

Go ahead and give it a try. If you have feedback, positive or negative, please let me know:


http://www.brewersfriend.com/mash-chemistry-and-brewing-water-calculator

In subsequent posts I’m planning to write more about some of the discoveries I made while writing this tool and how it’s mash pH prediction does compared to actual mash pH data that I have.

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Added yeast at bottling/Now Diacetyl present
« on: January 25, 2013, 08:35:09 am »
yes, you can get Diacetyl through bottle conditioning. Happened to me on one occasion when I used Kraeusen. But as others wrote, it will be gone with time.

Possibly the dry yeast found enough nutrients to grow a little. You don't tend to get diacetyl if you use the beer's yeast and just add sugar. Since the yeast won't have the nutrients for growth. It only has nutrients for creating alcohol and CO<sub>2</sub>

Kai

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Need advice on stirrer plate
« on: January 25, 2013, 07:40:43 am »
FYI: I recently played with PWM (pulse witdth modulation) for fan speed control and it works much better than using voltage to control fan speed. But it does require a few more parts and soldering skills.

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