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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: dry yeast for rye ipa
« on: February 27, 2013, 09:14:41 am »
I'm trying to decide what yeast i want to use for rye ipa.
The standard of US-05, and S-04 are what i normally use and have produced what i'm looking for in my other beers. I have i was thinking that US-56 or T-58 could be interesting. would the t-58 and the rye be too much? I plan on doing an extract with NB rye extract malt, w/specialty grains.

What hops are you planning on using?

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The Pub / Re: song title game
« on: February 27, 2013, 08:26:50 am »
Song of the South - Alabama

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Going Pro / Re: Starting a brewery
« on: February 27, 2013, 06:16:47 am »
When people taste my beer and say you should open a brewery, I laugh. I know how to make beer. I do not know the first thing about running a brewery for profit.

So is that to say if you had an angel investor and all the startup capital you needed, you wouldn't love to brew for a living?

I wouldn't. In my head I would just walk around saying it's time to brew X beer, thinking up new recipes, brewing whatever I wanted and talking to people about how great the beer is. That's not anywhere near reality. It's a lot of cleaning, it's a lot of brewing the same thing over and over, it's people b****ing because you make too much "bland" beer in your normal line up and b****ing you don't make enough of the "good stuff" and fighting to get shelf space. The bigger you get the more you manage and the less you brew. It's manual labor work in an increasingly competitive market that generally is not that profitable. I've already investing a huge amount of time, work and capital into my current profession. No interest in moving into another field.

Everything I like about homebrewing is generally not present in commercial brewing. I like that I can brew when I want or not brew if I don't feel like it. I can brew whatever I want and I don't have to worry about whether I can sell it off. I don't have to appease other people. I can experiment as much as I like without restriction. Sure, it's getting easier to operate a profitable brewery on a small core line up and make everything else experimental beers because the demand is there but how many breweries like that come and go in a couple years? How many can scale that model up?

Sure it's a lot of cleaning and putting up with people's crap, but that's probably why a lot of people don't do it.  If you don't think you'd enjoy cleaning, brewing the same beer repeatedly, and taking criticism, then stick with homebrewing.  Also, IMO if you're getting complaints about the beer being bland, you may want to rethink brewing as a profession.

I enjoy brewing, and really don't care if I brew the same thing over and over again.  I like what I brew and I'm not a huge experimenter, so there's no problems here drinking the same thing often.  YMMV

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Going Pro / Starting a brewery
« on: February 26, 2013, 09:16:29 pm »
When people taste my beer and say you should open a brewery, I laugh. I know how to make beer. I do not know the first thing about running a brewery for profit.

So is that to say if you had an angel investor and all the startup capital you needed, you wouldn't love to brew for a living?

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The Pub / Re: song title game
« on: February 26, 2013, 06:25:13 am »
The Boy From Ipanema - Ella Fitzgerald

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Going Pro / Re: Starting a brewery
« on: February 25, 2013, 09:46:38 am »
There are plenty of unemployed pro brewers who will work for peanuts.

...or beer!  ;D

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: When to use a blow off tube
« on: February 25, 2013, 07:31:53 am »
I always use a blow-off tube to start.  Then switch to airlocks after the first dry hop addition or when moving to cold crash.

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Going Pro / Re: Starting a brewery
« on: February 25, 2013, 06:45:19 am »
I know of at least one current pro brewer who got a combo of investors and bank funding for 100% of the startup cost. He had a fantastic business plan, and he knew exactly how to run a brewery.

Our bank called us last week to ask us to borrow $150k to make capital improvements, and offered to refinance our whole business loan amount to 3.5% if we did. So I don't think you can really blame the lending market for being tough.

Bottom line: Banks and investors are good judges of risk. If they don't want to loan you money, you must look like a huge risk.

If you want to send me a copy of your business plan, I'd be happy to give notes on it.

Nate, what business plan software would your recommend?  I've been looking at Business Plan Pro.  Probably a good $150 or so investment IMO.

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Going Pro / Re: Starting a brewery
« on: February 25, 2013, 06:43:17 am »
I started my brewery with 3 other partners and myself. We each put in equal amount of money and started very small. Brewed for a year to build a brand and a concept then approached a bank for a loan. Grew for a year and approached the bank for another loan. We started as a single bbl brewhouse and now have a 15 bbl brewhouse with 30 bbl tanks.

It's not easy. I worked 40+ hours/week for over a year for free, still make far less than I did working in the business world and still have a long way to go to grow my business. But it has been a lot of fun and a great challenge and I love it.

15 years brewing is the experience I had under my belt when I went commercial. I think that is one of the most important things you can have to open a brewery. You really need to know how to make good beer and you need to iron out a handful of recipes.

Only other thing I will warn you of is everyone and their brother is opening a brewery now and the market is getting tight. You will be a year or two out from getting a hop contract unless you stumble on some good fortune. And this industry is in unsustained growth right now, especially in certain parts of the country.

Keith, what year was it when you got your first bank loan?

+1 on the hop contracts.  I've been looking at availability of hops, and the next couple of years are already gone as far as the more popular hops go.

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Going Pro / Starting a brewery
« on: February 25, 2013, 04:39:15 am »
Hi everyone,

I have been home brewing for over 15 years and have been competing with great success for the last 4. I love it. I want to go pro but I am running into a capital fund issue. How does one raise the capital in such a tough lending market that we are in? By the way I have no money to put into the business at the end.

Join the club. Lack of capital is the reason many breweries never get off the ground. I am in a similar situation. My advice would be to save as much of your own money as possible and work on a solid business plan. You can probably raise some if your funds through family and friends without a business plan, but if you plan on asking anybody else you need one. Plus it'll help you stay on track and manage your money. Hope it works out for you!

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Questions about the forum? / Re: Can't post or reply
« on: February 21, 2013, 11:02:07 am »
Happened to me earlier too.

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Going Pro / Combining Batches
« on: February 21, 2013, 10:50:25 am »
Thanks Major. And I'm in the Business plan phase.

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Going Pro / Combining Batches
« on: February 21, 2013, 06:27:30 am »
Forgive my ignorance, but I have a question regarding how things are done at the commercial level.  Say you can consistently brew your recipes.  You have a 3 bbl system with 7 bbl fermentors.  Can you brew two separate batches in one day and combine the two in one fermentor?  From my research I've found that three 7-bbl fermentors are cheaper than six 3-bbl fermentors.  I would assume you could brew a 3 bbl batch, get it down to pitching temp, pitch enough yeast for both batches, rack to primary, brew the second batch, get it down to pitching temp, then combine with the first batch in the fermentor.
 
Or would you not pitch the yeast until the second batch is in the fermentor and aerate the whole thing together, then pitch the yeast?

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All Grain Brewing / 10-gal Batch with 2 different OG's
« on: February 18, 2013, 10:27:01 am »
That's what I'm thinking. Is it possible that the higher gravity portion would sink to the bottom? That's where his came from and mine came from the top.  You wouldn't think so though after a 90-minute boil.
Only if you added water post chill and didn't stir adequately.  Otherwise, sugar solutions (wort) will never separate once mixed.  Put both hydrometers in the same wort and see if they read the same. Maybe one had some bubbles on it?

I'll try this. We were not together when we took the readings. Perhaps one of us had too many Hop Slams? I have photo documentation though.

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All Grain Brewing / 10-gal Batch with 2 different OG's
« on: February 17, 2013, 11:55:53 am »
Were they chilled separately? If so, it's possible that one batch had more evaporation occur than the other. If not, one of the hydrometer readings is wrong.

They were chilled together. IC in the BK.

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