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General Homebrew Discussion / Re: Covering the Boil
« on: June 18, 2013, 03:44:20 am »
Seems to me that once you've started smelling those aromas, they won't go back into the beer simply by putting a lid on the kettle. Hard to reverse that chemical process.

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The Pub / Re: Is Staples your office supply store?
« on: May 31, 2013, 06:01:45 am »
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Jackson said he went from disgusted to angry.

“They lumped us in with criminals,” he said.

Those commas are important... They're not lumping him in with criminals, they're just sending him a giant boilerplate of all the things they can't allow in their advertising.

As an aside, I was surprised to find out that office supply stores still exist.

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All Things Food / Re: Growing food - The Garden Thread
« on: May 29, 2013, 02:17:33 am »
Pfff. Rain, rain, rain, rain, cold, cold, cold, cold. Nothing's growing. I usually try to grow from seed but this year we've had to do almost all our stuff from the garden center.

One cool thing about the garden center though is that they're carrying "ludique," i.e., 'fun/silly' plants like corn and peanuts (!). So now I have a peanut plant. Any ideas on how to best grow them?

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The Pub / Frivolous Magic Hat Lawsuit
« on: May 22, 2013, 12:55:16 am »
Check this out: http://www.westsixth.com/no-more-magic-hat/?age-verified=0791d06fd8

Not really a fan of #9 anyway. Not that I can get either of these breweries' beers here, but it's still pretty crappy on their part.

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Yeast and Fermentation / Re: Fermenting in blue (or red) coolers?
« on: May 07, 2013, 07:17:45 am »
The one that I have has the following marked on the spec sheet:
Material: HDPE/PP (HDPE/Polypropylene)
Insulation: PU foam CFC & HCFC free

I found the following on HBT (http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f11/cooler-mash-tun-285832/#post3551428)

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I am a materials engineer who has designed plastics formulations for almost twenty years. I have a BS degree in chemistry and did my MS thesis in the field of polymer science and engineering. I have experience in many different polymer systems (PE, PP, PVC, PUR, PA, EVA, PC, PS, ESBS, PET, EPDM, SBR, CSM, FEP, PTFE, PVDF, ECTFE, just to name a few).

Plastics are generally misunderstood. Plastic compounds are generally composed of the base polymer (i.e. PE, PP, PVC, etc.) and additional additives that further enhance the polymer's physical or chemical properties (i.e. impart flexibility, add flame retardancy, increase impact resistance, etc.). For example, white rigid PVC pipe that we buy in home improvement centers is the same polymer as garden hoses, namely PVC. yet these two items behave very differently in terms of flexibility. This is because an additive called a plasticizer (essentially an organic oil) has been added to the hose to impart flexibility. The plasticizer molecules essentially "fill in" between each of the long chain polymer molecules causing them to slide across each other. Think of a lube on a molecular level. It's important to remember the difference between polymers and compounds. (Note: the lead that is in garden hoses is from a lead salt (lead phthatale or lead sulfate) that is used as a heat stabilizer. It will leach out.)

As far as leaching goes, a food grade polypropylene will not typically contain anything harmful that will leach into the mash at an unacceptable level (true for HDPE as well). The company can not label it as food grade if this was the case (this isn't China where companies can put melamine into dog food without regulation, or lead based paints on toys). The only thing I can think of that might leach into the mash would be a mold release agent that's there to help separate the liner from the mold during it's initial manufacturing process. Probably a food grade mineral oil or paraffinic compound that's easily removed with soap and water. There may also be some type of antioxidant or UV inhibitor to stabilize the polymer from high manufacturing temperatures or sunlight exposure. Again, these would be food grade and not pose a risk at the levels added. Look at some food labels and see how often you find BHT (butylated hydroxytoluene), yet you still eat this. Here's something else to think about: The residual component (terephthalic acid) used to make polyethylene terephthalate (PET) is in every plastic soda bottle because it leaches into the drink, especially the longer a bottle stays on the shelf. This is why a coke tastes different in plastic than glass or a can. Yet PET bottles are food safe.

Warping and cracking of the plastic is most likely due to temperature interactions. This is a physical event, not chemical. It has to do with the crystalinity of the polymer itself. Other things could be that the actual polymer itself could be oxidizing (which is a chemical reaction) over time at high temperatures if NO antioxidant is present. Also consider the melting points of LDPE, HDPE and PP (~100C, 130C and 160C respectively). LDPE softens at about 80C or so and HDPE softens at about 120C or so - meaning that at mashing temperatures, you're probably good with HDPE or PP. One has to remember that if you pour boiling water into a LDPE lined cooler, you could do some damage, but are fine in a HDPE or PP lined cooler.

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Kegging and Bottling / Re: Outdoor draft system
« on: May 07, 2013, 07:11:20 am »
A 5-line glycol system runs about 700 GBP/800 EUR/1000 USD. I like your cooled PVC pipe idea. Alternatively, I wonder if sealing the PVC and filling it with water or glycol would work, with no need for recirc. Assuming perhaps convection would help keep things circulating.

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Yeast and Fermentation / Fermenting in blue (or red) coolers?
« on: May 06, 2013, 08:02:43 am »
In thinking through my brewing procedures to make them more sustainable in the new place, I've been looking at how best to organize fermentation. What I'm imagining are a few (~3-4) large coleman coolers (the big kind) stacked one on top of the other, each fermenting its own beer, or just holding sanitizer ready to be used later. For temp control, I was thinking to run a small stainless coil in through the drain spigot. Since they're insulated it should be relatively easy to keep them at a reasonable temp. Any downsides to this set up?

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All Grain Brewing / REALLY no sparge
« on: May 06, 2013, 07:55:21 am »
So in reading some literature about other forms of fermentation, one thing I've read talks about a no-boil no-sparge fermentation. Meaning, you mash in, get everything converted, drop to fermentation temp via coil chiller, pitch and wait. Is this something that could be used to produce drinkable beer?

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Kegging and Bottling / Outdoor draft system
« on: May 06, 2013, 05:55:35 am »
Been a while since I last posted - lots going on, including a move to a new (to us, anyway) house. Nice thing about the new place is that there's a patio off the first floor that has a workshop underneath, so one of the ideas I've been playing with is running some draft lines up from the workshop through to the patio and having a few built-in taps on what will eventually be the outdoor kitchen. I'm not too worried about keeping the lines cool - the walls are super thick in the workshop and it stays relatively cool, so with insulated lines I shouldn't think I'll loose too much temp on the ~10-15 foot vertical trip. But, I've never run lines outside before and I'm wondering if it's a reasonable idea, and if there's anything in specific I should watch out for.

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The Pub / Re: Let's Pour online craft brew shop
« on: April 05, 2013, 04:32:38 am »
Worst. Website. Ever. (In terms of functionality, layout etc. Sorry guys. Seems like an interesting concept, poorly executed. And expensive.)

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The Pub / Seren Brewing Company
« on: April 03, 2013, 04:01:04 am »
If alikocho isn't going to promote his project a bit, then I will do it for him :)

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/696705104/seren-brewing-company


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Going Pro / Re: BrauKon?
« on: March 22, 2013, 02:01:07 am »
Thirsty, their electric system is sort of a 'bain mairie,' it uses electric to heat a small amount of pressurized water that surrounds the BK (or so the guy tells me) so there's no actual contact with the wort.

Does the price sound reasonable?

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Going Pro / BrauKon?
« on: March 21, 2013, 08:06:14 am »
Anybody know them? They're sending me a quote for a 20HL system (electric), semi-auto. ~250k EUR not including delivery. Apparently they're on par with Kaspar Schulz...

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All Things Food / Re: Sausage
« on: March 19, 2013, 06:07:49 am »
I haven't done a fermented sausage either. Supposedly, you'll need to keep the sausage in a warm place for a couple days to get the culture "going". An unlit oven has been suggested by some... Your cellar sounds perfect for hanging the sausage to finish curing and dry.

Ruhlman sez to keep it someplace ~ 80 deg F for 12 hours, so I put it in our oven with the oven light on. It felt somewhat warm to the touch when I took it out this morning. Talk about being counter-intuitive. Raw meat left overnight in a warm place.

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All Things Food / Re: What's for Lunch?
« on: March 19, 2013, 05:35:19 am »
Working from home today, so I can actually post pics and whatnot without getting s*** from the coworkers :-P

Menu: BLT on multigrain, made with home made bacon of course. Some Tyrell's veggie chips, and a Goudale (in a can!) (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/813/7451).


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