Timothy Taylor's Landlord

[maaswinhester]

I just bought some Timothy Taylor's Landlord from my local liquor store? I saw it on the shelf, and obviously just had to buy it. I didn't realize that they were being imported here. Regardless, it was a pretty tasty beer. Some hay and spice in the aroma, nice chewy malt...really quite delicious. I don't get the slight orange marmalade that I get from the clone version I brew, but that may be because this has traveled, and lost some aroma.

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[firedog23]

Speaking as the Yank in the UK that I am.

Landlord is a good solid ale.  One thing I find is that it varies from year to year in taste.  I don't know if it is the Golden Promise malt but it seems to swing with the seasons.  The one thing it has going wrong with it is that Madonna said it was her favorite beer a few years ago and that riled the locals up a bit.  Regardless, it is a much better out of a hand pump thna it is out of a bottle. 

[BrewingRover]

Speaking as the Yank in the UK that I am.

Landlord is a good solid ale.  One thing I find is that it varies from year to year in taste.  I don't know if it is the Golden Promise malt but it seems to swing with the seasons.  The one thing it has going wrong with it is that Madonna said it was her favorite beer a few years ago and that riled the locals up a bit.  Regardless, it is a much better out of a hand pump thna it is out of a bottle.

I've only ever had it on cask so I would hesitate to buy it in a bottle in the US. I remember being excited to get Fullers' Porter over here and being very disappointed. It was a completely different beer compared to what I'd had in England.

[firedog23]

It is different in the bottle regardless of location.  I bought a bottle a couple of years ago to share with my parents when they came over and it just was not the same.  This is not to be unexpected as most beers are at least a bit different in the bottle.

[maaswinhester]

Speaking as the Yank in the UK that I am.

Landlord is a good solid ale.  One thing I find is that it varies from year to year in taste.  I don't know if it is the Golden Promise malt but it seems to swing with the seasons.  The one thing it has going wrong with it is that Madonna said it was her favorite beer a few years ago and that riled the locals up a bit.  Regardless, it is a much better out of a hand pump thna it is out of a bottle.

I've only ever had it on cask so I would hesitate to buy it in a bottle in the US. I remember being excited to get Fullers' Porter over here and being very disappointed. It was a completely different beer compared to what I'd had in England.

I brew the clone all the time, so I was excited to see the bottle. However, I wasn't expecting it to blow my mind. Nonetheless, I was not at all disappointed. It was certainly different than what I've been making, but then, I've never had the real thing, so I don't know if I should be disappointed.

[hopfenundmalz]

Which clone version do you brew?

[maaswinhester]

Which clone version do you brew?

Funny you should ask, I was actually going to brew your version, Hopfenundmalz, in a couple of weeks.

However, I brew the Northern Brewer version, except that I move the EKG to 15 minutes usually.

www.northernbrewer.com/documentation/allgrain/AG-Innkeeper.pdf

[hopfenundmalz]

There are a few things I am thinking about for the next time.

All Simpsons GP for the base malt. Use the dark British Crystal. Pitch a full amount of yeast (or a little more), don't use O2 just splash or shake, and ramp the temps up at the end. Get he sulfates to 350 ppm or above.

Last time needed more esters, and lacked some residual sweetness, and needed a little of the Burton snatch. At least that was how it compared with my memory.

[maaswinhester]

There are a few things I am thinking about for the next time.

All Simpsons GP for the base malt. Use the dark British Crystal. Pitch a full amount of yeast (or a little more), don't use O2 just splash or shake, and ramp the temps up at the end. Get he sulfates to 350 ppm or above.

Last time needed more esters, and lacked some residual sweetness, and needed a little of the Burton snatch. At least that was how it compared with my memory.

Very interesting. I have a couple of questions then.

I have been using Fawcett GP, and have not used Simpson's. Do you think I should make the change, and what has been the difference between the two brands been, in your experience? Further, generally I have been using the Fawcett Dark Crystal (II), which has a 118-124 L, is that too dark?

Otherwise, I usually make a starter, and make a nice healthy dose to pitch. I agree that the ones I have underpitched have been a bit too much with the esters.

[hopfenundmalz]

Th.e one I did with the Simpson's had the underlying sweetness, and less toastyness. The Simpsons is around 1.9L vs 3 or 3+ for the TF.

The Dark Crystal will work fine.

I am trying to get more esters by underaerating and pitching the right amount. This is to limit growth and get to ester production sooner. Will ramp up a little warmer too and see if more of the stone fruit flavor comes out. Had some last time going up to 68F, but not enough.