End of the World Milk Stout vs Left Hand Milk Stout Nitro

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gymrat:
A friend of mine asked me if I was ever going to do a milk stout. He said he just loved the Left Hand Milk Stout at Old Chicago. So I thought why not give it a shot. I went to the Left Hand website and they listed the ingredients but not the portions. So I ordered one and tasted it and guestimated the proportions of the ingredients. This is what I came up with:

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Recipe: End of the World Milk Stout
Brewer: Roger
Asst Brewer: Ralph the Wonderdog
Style: Sweet Stout
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 5.70 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.20 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.059 SG
Estimated Color: 54.6 SRM
Estimated IBU: 22.1 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 72.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
5 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 44.4 %
2 lbs Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM) Grain 2 17.8 %
1 lbs Roasted Barley (Simpsons) (550.0 SRM) Grain 3 8.9 %
8.0 oz Barley, Flaked (1.7 SRM) Grain 4 4.4 %
8.0 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (40.0 SRM) Grain 5 4.4 %
8.0 oz Chocolate Malt (450.0 SRM) Grain 6 4.4 %
8.0 oz Oats, Flaked (1.0 SRM) Grain 7 4.4 %
4.0 oz Black Malt - 2-Row (Briess) (500.0 SRM) Grain 8 2.2 %
1.00 oz Fuggles [5.40 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 9 22.1 IBUs
1 lbs Milk Sugar (Lactose) [Boil for 60 min](0 Sugar 10 8.9 %
1.0 pkg SafAle English Ale (DCL/Fermentis #S-04) Yeast 11 -

Trying them side by side the left hand was definitely sweeter where mine had a bit of a bitter bite. Not drastically but detectable. I am thinking this will condition out over time. Also when tasted side by side I could definitely detect more 2 row in mine. The bubbles are finer in the left hand giving it a "nitro" feel even out of the bottle. I have no idea how they do that. Other than that there were no discernible differences in flavor.

I was surprised at the hop bitterness when I only used an ounce of relatively low alpha hops. If I take another stab at this sometime I will FWH half an ounce and add the other half at around 45 minutes to tone that down. Also I will back off the 2 row by half a pound.

hokerer:

--- Quote from: gymrat on January 29, 2013, 08:51:14 AM ---Trying them side by side the left hand was definitely sweeter where mine had a bit of a bitter bite. Not drastically but detectable. I am thinking this will condition out over time. Also when tasted side by side I could definitely detect more 2 row in mine. The bubbles are finer in the left hand giving it a "nitro" feel even out of the bottle. I have no idea how they do that. Other than that there were no discernible differences in flavor.

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Could that full pound of roast barley maybe be the culprit in that "bitter bite" ?

gsandel:
I think that it is the combination of dark grains (roasted barley, chocolate, and black) clocking in at 16% of your grain bill. If you think about these in that they provide the color and, like the hops, provide a balancing effect to the malt and lactose sweetness.

You can also elect to cold steep the dark malts, or add them at the end of your mash process, but I don't speak from great experience as I don't bother with this process....I like to go all in at mash time. I have found that I have been halving my dark grain usage on older recipes now that I have a slightly more efficient mash tun for much improved and distinctive (rather than muddy) dark beer flavors.

gsandel:
oh, and I have had some success with switching to pale chocolate malt as well....but I usually just use whichever I have and adjust the grain bill according to what I am trying to achieve.

gymrat:
The bitterness has conditioned out of this stuff. Now it is extremely close to Left Hand Milk Nitro when drank side by side.

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