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Title: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: bluesman on November 06, 2009, 11:48:25 AM
I use an immersion chiller for chilling the wort after the boil. I made an immersion chiller out of soft copper tubing. I wrapped it around a corny keg and added some compression fittings.

How do you chill your wort after the boil?
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: dhacker on November 06, 2009, 12:46:30 PM
Therminator
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: skotrat on November 06, 2009, 01:35:27 PM
I use a Maxi-Chiller that bought in the mid 1990's...

About 2 years ago I bought a Therminator which is still sitting in the box...

Maybe I should use that a couple times eh?
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: smurfe on November 06, 2009, 01:38:54 PM
Sabco Chill-Wizzard
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: theDarkSide on November 06, 2009, 01:43:47 PM
I use a copper immersion chiller.

I use the first few gallons of the water ( which is warmest ) and fill a plastic tub with Oxyclean and PBW then use that to clean my equipment.  Then I use the rest to water the garden, flowers, kids, etc ( it's cooled down considerably by then so please don't call child services). 

Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on November 06, 2009, 01:56:14 PM
B3 Super Chiller (50' 1/2" copper).  Chills my 5 gallon batches down to 60F in about 15 minutes.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: brewboy on November 06, 2009, 02:08:02 PM
50' of 1/2" copper along with a March pump to whirlpool to wort. I start with tap water until I reach 100 and then switch to ice water.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: hamiltont on November 06, 2009, 03:42:30 PM
40' copper IC double wrapped.  Once around a coffee can & once around a 5 gallon pail.  My well water is ~54F year round so it cools great.  I manually whirlpool & fill a party tub with hot water for cleaning stuff later. Once its full I run it outside onto the yard. It cools 10 gallons to ~60 in about 20 minutes.  Some day I'll add a march pump to whirlpool & other duties.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: bluesman on November 06, 2009, 03:44:06 PM
Well water is great. I'm jealous.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: redbeerman on November 06, 2009, 03:58:41 PM
25' immersion chiller.  Gets it down to ~60 in 20 minutes, depending on the time of year it may be quicker.  My well water is ~  45 - 50F.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: denny on November 06, 2009, 04:32:19 PM
I use a 50 ft. 3/8" immersion chiller with recirculation.  I pump wort out of the kettle and back over the chiller.  With my well water, the other day I went from boiling to 58F in under 15 min.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: maxieboy on November 06, 2009, 06:27:16 PM
I use a Maxi-Chiller that bought in the mid 1990's...

About 2 years ago I bought a Therminator which is still sitting in the box...

Maybe I should use that a couple times eh?

Give it a shot! I use one, with city tap water, 10 gal from boiling to ale pitch temp in 10 min on a gravity system w/ 2.5 ft. of head. I love it. 8)
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: beerocd on November 06, 2009, 09:33:12 PM
Time to upgrade I guess. I've got a 20' 3/8" with a $20 pond pump to recirculate . Takes forever compared to the rest of you guys.

-OCD
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: bonjour on November 06, 2009, 09:45:03 PM
A 50 ft 3/8 double coil imersion chiller which doubles as my aeration system, and it works really well on some really big beers.

Fred
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: slimsparty on November 06, 2009, 09:56:18 PM
60' 3/8" softcopper I coiled around a 3lb coffee can.  It takes about 15 min for 10 gallons in the summer.

$45.

Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: dhacker on November 06, 2009, 11:09:03 PM

About 2 years ago I bought a Therminator which is still sitting in the box...

Maybe I should use that a couple times eh?

Uh  . . yeah, you magpie of brew thingys :)

How 'bout a pic of yer cornie stash for old times sake!  ;D
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: dbeechum on November 06, 2009, 11:16:21 PM
My mom bought this for my birthday the year I started brewing and I still use it to this day.

http://www.heartshomebrew.com/home_brew_beer.cgi?cart_id=5909070.30709*GB7H81&p_id=9002&xm=on&ppinc=dave2full (http://www.heartshomebrew.com/home_brew_beer.cgi?cart_id=5909070.30709*GB7H81&p_id=9002&xm=on&ppinc=dave2full)
Funny thing was she gave it to me when I stopped over in Orlando for a flight to Key West. I travelled on flights to and from Key West with this in my bags. Wonder if the TSA would let me do that today!
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: pdbreen on November 06, 2009, 11:35:30 PM
50' immersion chiller w/whirlpool and VT well water.  Can cool a 5gal batch in under 10 minutes.  Love that I don't have to worry about cleaning the insides of a plate or CFC chiller.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: dean on November 07, 2009, 01:28:34 PM
I've been using a plate chiller for a little while now but I fashioned another IC that I think I'll use in conjunction with the plate chiller.  The plate chiller works fine but I think using an IC in the brewkeg might lessen the amount of break material going into the fermenter.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: tubercle on November 07, 2009, 03:37:08 PM
50' 3/8" IC

65f well water >:( so I can only get to 70f in a reasonable amount of time. Finish it off in the chest freezer.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: tom on November 07, 2009, 04:25:41 PM
Therminator
+1, although I got mine before the Shirron came out. Now I would get a Shirron (or maybe 2 for two-stage ice water chilling lagers). A Therminator costs as much as 2 Shirrons.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: mrcceo on November 07, 2009, 07:58:49 PM
Immersion coil made with 30 ft of 5/8 copper, circulating ice water with a sump pump.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: dwarven_stout on November 08, 2009, 08:59:31 PM
I no-chill in 5gal HDPE jugs. (I can't believe I'm the first to say that in this thread!)  :P
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: woody on November 08, 2009, 10:17:35 PM
I've got a 25' 3/8 immersion chiller.   My well water is pretty chilly even in the summer (I live on the side of a mountain in Maine!)  so as long as I constantly stir, I can drop 10 gallons from boiling to low 60s in 30 minutes.   
I've been looking into a plate chiller for awhile, but I think I might just get a pump and rig up a whirlpool setup a la Jamil.  I'm sure it'll work quicker, plus I won't have to sit there and stir. 
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: dzlater on November 08, 2009, 11:02:07 PM
Today was the first brew with my home made 50' 1/2"
immersion chiller. Took 5.5 gallons down to 70degrees F
in 10 minutes.  ;D
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: rabid_dingo on November 09, 2009, 05:22:07 PM
I use a home made 50' 3/8" double coil.

My mom bought this for my birthday the year I started brewing and I still use it to this day.

http://www.heartshomebrew.com/home_brew_beer.cgi?cart_id=5909070.30709*GB7H81&p_id=9002&xm=on&ppinc=dave2full (http://www.heartshomebrew.com/home_brew_beer.cgi?cart_id=5909070.30709*GB7H81&p_id=9002&xm=on&ppinc=dave2full)
Funny thing was she gave it to me when I stopped over in Orlando for a flight to Key West. I travelled on flights to and from Key West with this in my bags. Wonder if the TSA would let me do that today!

Not much, if you talk to them about it you may make some new friends in the process. I have traveled with 6 pin locks and a friend of my did the same with a chiller, and a bunch of kegging hardware. It is kind of fun to see them panic a bit when they see all that metal. But show and explain, they are chill out. <-pun intended...

 
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: brewboy on November 09, 2009, 05:36:22 PM
I was once prohibited through security because I had a spark plug socket in my brief case. I guess they thought I was going to crawl out on the wing, in mid flight, and remove the plugs from the jet engines.  ::)
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: scottyb on November 09, 2009, 11:12:54 PM
stranger things have happened


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYTOzbRBphw
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 10, 2009, 03:55:20 AM
More beer 25' 3/8 wirlpool IC.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: yugamrap on November 10, 2009, 02:40:17 PM
I have the 3/8" x 25' IC that I started out with and still use for 5-gallon batches, and also have a 1/2" x 50' IC I built for 10-gallon batches.  I chill to around 80F with tap water, then switch to recirculating ice water to get down to pitching temps.  I'm hoping to add a pump soon (hear that Santa?) so I can whirlpool while chilling.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: blatz on November 10, 2009, 02:45:02 PM
50' IC prechiller hooked up to a therminator.  on the wort side, the wort runs through the therminator and then through a post-chiller (25' copper coil in an icebath).

Yes it is complex and crazy and perhaps Rube Goldberg-ish, but I have freaking >80df groundwater most of the year. 

Using this method, I can get my 12gal of wort below 60df within 20min and aerate and pitch for ales immediately after I dump the CB, or only have to wait about 6 hours to get it below 50df for lagers.

Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: bluesman on November 10, 2009, 03:55:41 PM
Blatz - 80 degree ground water  :o

Wow that is warm water. I guess it's the region you reside in.  :-\

Whereabouts in Florida do you live?
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: chipperdave on November 10, 2009, 04:02:41 PM
I use a 50' 1/2" copper immersion chiller.  Seems to work great in getting the temperature down in a 15-20 minute time period.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: blatz on November 10, 2009, 04:22:56 PM
Blatz - 80 degree ground water  :o

Wow that is warm water. I guess it's the region you reside in.  :-\

Whereabouts in Florida do you live?

yeah - its not always 80,  - during the so-called Fall and Winter months, it can be ~70. 

I live in the Palm Beach Gardens/Jupiter area which is about 80 miles north of Miami, to give you a reference point. 
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: bluesman on November 10, 2009, 06:04:03 PM
Blatz - 80 degree ground water  :o

Wow that is warm water. I guess it's the region you reside in.  :-\

Whereabouts in Florida do you live?

yeah - its not always 80,  - during the so-called Fall and Winter months, it can be ~70. 

I live in the Palm Beach Gardens/Jupiter area which is about 80 miles north of Miami, to give you a reference point. 

Nuff said...but I will envy you in January when we're all frozen up North
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: denny on November 11, 2009, 06:05:26 PM
This may be the largest IC I've ever seen....

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/11/massive_wort_cooler.html

(http://blog.makezine.com/upload/2009/11/Thecoolingcoil1.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: brewboy on November 11, 2009, 06:06:50 PM
That is cool. I want one.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: bonjour on November 11, 2009, 06:09:25 PM
That's what I call a real 6-pack chiller Denny
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: brewboy on November 11, 2009, 06:29:57 PM
I'm sure it cools fast, but you're going to need a lot of head space in your kettle to allow for the wort displacement when you drop that bad boy in. 
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: denny on November 11, 2009, 06:41:55 PM
The website says he uses it in a 22 gal. kettle, but there are no pics of it in action.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: dwarven_stout on November 11, 2009, 06:52:17 PM
Heh. Does he run glycol through that beast, too?
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: bluesman on November 11, 2009, 07:04:31 PM
There's the mother of all IC's. It looks like it would be difficult to make yourself.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 11, 2009, 07:32:33 PM
You can read more about it on HomeBrew Talk:
http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f51/massive-diy-wort-cooler-96ft-long-145690/
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: jackfromjax on November 11, 2009, 09:03:43 PM
A thing of beauty!

Great link!  I like the step by step.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: jds on November 12, 2009, 12:51:20 AM
I usually use a 25' copper immersion chiller, on hose water (Denver has nice cold water) until the wort hits 90F or so, then I switch to a pond pump recirculating ice-bath (or, better yet, snow) through the chiller.

However, I'm going to spend the next few brews experimenting with no-chill methods like many Australian brewers use. I brewed my first no-chill batch on Sunday, and I think I'll be pitching the yeast tonight, provided my starter crashed out well enough to decant over today.

Here's a link to a great thread on the topic.http://www.homebrewtalk.com/f13/exploring-no-chill-brewing-117111/
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: dan1076 on November 12, 2009, 06:48:33 PM
50' of 1/2" copper along with a March pump to whirlpool to the wort.  I was able to cool my latest 10 gallon batch done to 65 degrees in 13 minutes.  It was the first time I used this since I upgraded from my old 3/8" 25 foot immersion chiller.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: Nagel Family Brewing on November 13, 2009, 06:47:41 PM
SS Immersion Chiller and a lot of stirring below 100 degrees.  5 gallons usually chills in 15-20 minutes.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: 1vertical on November 16, 2009, 02:13:25 AM
My chiller is 50ft. of half inch copper immersion  AND if I need it another 50ft. of 3/8 that I can
sit in a cooler of Ice water to chill on down to Lager land temps.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: Matt B on November 16, 2009, 03:55:46 AM
Counter flow chiller (from morebeer), I start off using municipal water to get it the bulk of the way down, probably 120-100 depending on the time of the year and temp of the municipal water. Then switch to drawing off ice water that I put in my hot liquor tank (have to pre-freeze a few gallon milk jugs full of ice that I cut open and break up) to a march pump and run that through the counter flow chiller to get it down to wherever I want it. I've gotten it down to 50F with no problem. The reason I let the municipal water do the bulk of the work is that it has much higher pressure than the march pump can produce, therefor more cooler water to hot wort heat contact, but once that exchange hits diminishing returns based on the temp differential, the ice water cools it down the rest of the way, if not quite as fast. And I see no reason why you couldn't do something similar with an immersion chiller with any pump you may have that's properly sanitized.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: k4df4l on November 16, 2009, 10:51:02 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/k4df4l/IMG_0015.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: ndcube on November 17, 2009, 01:18:00 PM
25 ft copper IC to 80F then an ice bath while the trub settles out until pitching temp.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: onebarrel on November 18, 2009, 02:24:25 AM
Therminator - most $$ spent = best $$ invested
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: mtbrewer on November 20, 2009, 11:36:26 PM
Homemade I.C. 50 foot 3/8 copper, my well water is around 50 degrees. I can chill 12 gallons to 60 degrees in less than 30 minutes.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: MDixon on November 21, 2009, 09:08:38 PM
I use a 50' immersion. I hook it up first to my rain barrels with a pump and chill to 100F or so. Then I change the setup to a recirculation in a bucket filled with ice and a quart or so of fresh water and bring it to below pitching temps. A bit of a pain to stretch out the hose to the rain barrel, but I use only about a quart of fresh water from my tap + the ice in the bucket.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: lonnie mac on November 21, 2009, 09:31:19 PM
Therminator here as well... Everything on my system is counter recirculating...

I first knock down the temp with hose water to feed my trees... I bring it down to a hundred or so, then I switch the cold side of the therminator to the HLT/ice recirculation tank. This brings it down to lagering temps in a few minutes...

Look at the frost on them babys! :)

(http://www.alenuts.com/Alenuts/brutus_files/brutus13.jpg)
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: bluesman on November 21, 2009, 09:49:22 PM
Hey Lonnie,

Thanks to you...I'm building one of your Brutus 10 systems. I just got the plans last week and I'm working with a welder... our own Capozzli. I want to get the therminator to chill the wort. How easy is it to brew beer on your Brutus 10 compared to the more conventional batch sparge methods? Your system looks fantastic!  8)
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: beerrat on December 14, 2009, 11:53:15 PM
Greetings,

I use an Immersion Chiller with a water recirculating system.
(http://gallery.me.com/dschreffler/100194/100_8427/web.jpg?ver=12608336190001)

Equipment:
1) home made IC - 25' copper coil
2) pond pump
3) 50qt cooler
4) 3-4 gallon of cold water
5) ice (store bough in summer, harvested snow/ice from yard in winter)
 
Process
1) At 5 minutes prior to end of boil, kill heat source and whirl pool by manually stirring
2) load up cooler with ice and water
3) At 0 minutes insert starsan soaking IC into pot
3) Start pond pump to start the IC working
4) I usually let the first couple gallons of real hot water empty into sink or another bucket to reuse for cleaning
5) I then redirect the return water back into the cooler, and add ice as necessary
6) Usually gets to 65F in about 25 minutes


If I'm lucky, Santa will bring me a march pump and then I'll make a "mr malty whirlpool chiller" to augment this process.

Good luck and let us know what you end up doing.
 
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: lupy on December 15, 2009, 02:21:07 AM
50' x 1/2" homebuilt IC. Add a pump and ice water for the summer. Try not to overcool in the winter.
~20mins.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: hankus on December 15, 2009, 02:28:43 PM
Perhaps U would like to visit my recent post under "a new IC"
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: makemehoppy on December 15, 2009, 02:37:52 PM
I'll post because I have something a little unique. I use a standard 25' immersion chiller. However, I do not have a good hookup in the kitchen where I brew so I fill my bottling bucket and place it on a milk crate on the counter. I move the kettle from the stove to the floor and run the water into 4 gallon water cooler bottles.
I run about 8 gallons of tap water thru and collect to use for clean up and other uses. I then start to recirculate the water back into the bottling bucket what I have now put ice into.
This method is perfect for me because it requires no electricity for a pump and I still have my kitchen faucet available for other uses. By adding ice near the end I can get the wort down into the low 60's easily anytime of year.
I stir the wort while chilling and usually I get from boiling to 60 in 20 minutes and I capture about 12 gallons of water that can all be reused. The plastic bottles can handle the near boiling water that initially comes out and 4 gallons is a convenient size for carrying around.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: corkybstewart on December 15, 2009, 03:55:35 PM
I've been using a CFC for the past 6 or 7 years, but this year I pulled out the old immersion chiller and run them in tandem.  The CFC sits in an ice bath in an old Gott cooler, and the wort is pumped through the CFC back into the kettle so it whirlpools around the immersion chiller.    The cooling water comes in the CFC and then through the IC.
I got 10 gallons from boiling to 60F in 10 minutes last weekend as opposed to 30 minutes to get to 75F with the CFC alone.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: bluesman on December 15, 2009, 04:16:55 PM
I've been using a CFC for the past 6 or 7 years, but this year I pulled out the old immersion chiller and run them in tandem.  The CFC sits in an ice bath in an old Gott cooler, and the wort is pumped through the CFC back into the kettle so it whirlpools around the immersion chiller.    The cooling water comes in the CFC and then through the IC.
I got 10 gallons from boiling to 60F in 10 minutes last weekend as opposed to 30 minutes to get to 75F with the CFC alone.

Very interesting. That's good to know.  8)
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: Kaiser on December 15, 2009, 05:12:48 PM
25 ft copper IC to 80F then an ice bath while the trub settles out until pitching temp.

Me too. I used to recirculate ice water though the IC to get to pitching temps but then I found that that set-up is not necessary if I just set the kettle in a tub filled with ice water. It takes about an hour to get to 44F but I don’t have to monitor it which is better than 10 min of something that I have to monitor.

Now that we have snow, getting the necessary ice has become much easier.

Kai
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: 1vertical on December 15, 2009, 05:24:41 PM

Now that we have snow, getting the necessary ice has become much easier.

Kai


Ah yes, that and ambient lagering temperatures
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: ndcube on December 15, 2009, 05:28:59 PM
25 ft copper IC to 80F then an ice bath while the trub settles out until pitching temp.

Me too. I used to recirculate ice water though the IC to get to pitching temps but then I found that that set-up is not necessary if I just set the kettle in a tub filled with ice water. It takes about an hour to get to 44F but I don’t have to monitor it which is better than 10 min of something that I have to monitor.

Now that we have snow, getting the necessary ice has become much easier.

Kai


Luckily, I have a fridge that makes ice which neither my wife or I use very much.  It all gets used to cool yeast starters or to finish cooling wort.

The first time I used this method I was puzzled that it didn't cool very much after an hour.  I then realized that since the ice water was only about 1/3-1/2 of the way up the bucket the temps were stratifed.  A quick stir brought the whole bucket down to pitching temps.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: Kaiser on December 15, 2009, 06:21:16 PM
The first time I used this method I was puzzled that it didn't cool very much after an hour.  I then realized that since the ice water was only about 1/3-1/2 of the way up the bucket the temps were stratifed.  A quick stir brought the whole bucket down to pitching temps.

Yes, making sure that the wort level is at or below the ice water level is important. Another thing that is important for me is draining the ice water before siphoning off the wort. If I forget the kettle floats up and disturbs all the trub which has been settling so nicely. I’m not to worried about some trub in the fermenter. In fact I make sure that I pick up some cold break if the wort looks to clear.

Kai
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: peterpan on February 26, 2010, 04:31:44 AM
Besides terminator can be used brazetek plate chiller (http://www.brazetek.com/products).

http://www.brazetek.com/products
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: bluesman on October 01, 2010, 04:49:54 PM
I bought a therminator and used it for the first time on my most recent brew session and I have to say that it works great. I used a March pump to pump the hot wort through the chiller at a slow rate.  It took about five minutes to chill the beer from 212F down to 63F. I'm impressed with it's performance. The only downside that I can see is that one must ensure that it has been completely sanitized by thoroughly rinsing and sanitizing prior to use.



Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: dhacker on October 01, 2010, 04:56:11 PM
Yes . . welcome to the Therminator users group, Ron!  :D

Ya know, I back flush mine with hot water after every use, then on brew day, I actually put it in a decent sized stainless pot that I fill with water, (making sure the water enters the "Wort In / Wort Out" ports) and boil the thing for about 10 minutes. Every 6th brew session or so, I Oxiclean it. I've had mine for 3 years and haven't had an infected batch yet!  :)
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: bluesman on October 01, 2010, 05:00:00 PM
Yes . . welcome to the Therminator users group, Ron!  :D

Ya know, I back flush mine with hot water after every use, then on brew day, I actually put it in a decent sized stainless pot that I fill with water, (making sure the water enters the "Wort In / Wort Out" ports) and boil the thing for about 10 minutes. Every 6th brew session or so, I Oxiclean it. I've had mine for 3 years and haven't had an infected batch yet!  :)

Thanks for the great tips dhacker!  :)
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: dhacker on October 01, 2010, 05:18:53 PM
I should correct the part about "Filling with water" . .  I fill the pot where water is about an inch over the Therminator . . .
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: blatz on October 01, 2010, 05:33:40 PM
Not to be a party pooper, but I can tell you honestly, a plate chiller is very hard to keep clean.  I used one for almost five years (shirron and then a therminator) and they are nearly impossible get completely clean without tons and tons of backflushing (both ways), soaking, etc.

That said, I never had an infection either, so its not like its a high risk, but that drawback is definitely real, so much so that it caused me to give up on them when considered in conjunction with the hassle of using them as well. 
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: euge on October 01, 2010, 05:39:03 PM
I use a homemade IC that switches over to an ice-water recirc when the temp gets down. Wish I had wrapped it around something wider than a corny keg. Often times it sticks out of the top of the wort, so all that area is wasted. But it chills like a madman- especially with wort recirculation.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: alikocho on October 01, 2010, 07:27:43 PM
I use a homemade CFC - 30ft of 8mm (just shy of 3/8") copper inside a 1/2" hosepipe. Does a great job, but I really need to drill my brewpot rather than siphoning through it. Takes me about 20 mins to move 6 gallons of wort, but it's a pain to get started and I'm sure the flow rate could be faster.

I sanitize by moving boiling water through it for 5-10 minutes without the cooling water going. No infections to date.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: dhacker on October 01, 2010, 07:31:07 PM
Not to be a party pooper, but I can tell you honestly, a plate chiller is very hard to keep clean.  I used one for almost five years (shirron and then a therminator) and they are nearly impossible get completely clean without tons and tons of backflushing (both ways), soaking, etc.

That said, I never had an infection either, so its not like its a high risk, but that drawback is definitely real, so much so that it caused me to give up on them when considered in conjunction with the hassle of using them as well. 

I worry over a lot of things with my procedures and equipment, but the Therminator isn't one of them. I mean, ya know . . it is possible to sanitize a turd!   ;D :D
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: narvin on October 01, 2010, 07:38:58 PM
Not to be a party pooper, but I can tell you honestly, a plate chiller is very hard to keep clean.  I used one for almost five years (shirron and then a therminator) and they are nearly impossible get completely clean without tons and tons of backflushing (both ways), soaking, etc.

That said, I never had an infection either, so its not like its a high risk, but that drawback is definitely real, so much so that it caused me to give up on them when considered in conjunction with the hassle of using them as well.  

#1 Use a screen in your kettle.  I have a homemade hop stopper and it works great to keep everything (except the cold break) out of the chiller, even on my recent Pliny clone.

#2 Backflush and purge with PBW immediately after your brew session.  If you already have a pump, just save the output of your chiller water (which will be warm) in your mash tun and use that to recirculate.  This will clean your hoses, the pump, and the chiller all at once.  Easiest part of the cleaning session.

#3 If you want, you can bake it in the oven to kill anything left over in there.  You can also run hot wort through it before you start chilling to sanitize your hoses, pump, and chiller without worrying about sanitizer.

I haven't heard of anyone I know who uses a plate chiller having infections, so I don't think it's something to worry about unless you start getting them.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: blatz on October 01, 2010, 07:54:31 PM
narvin - I did all that for years:

[rant]

BK: whole hop/bazooka - very little material made its way through.

1/2 hour recirc every time with hot PBW followed by a rinse, followed by a 90 minute bake at 250df.

but I'm telling you that if you take a white bucket and back flush both sides with the output going into that bucket you can do it for HOURS and still see little specks of hop particulate come out.  turn the hose on full blast to loosen it and then turn it off.  repeat.  you will see junk come out.  if you let it run you will only see it at first as the stuff becomes trapped in the bends, but if you hit it with high pressure, you'll see what I mean.

again, I used a plate chiller for a 4-5 years and never had an infection.  but all that cleaning, setup, sanitizing etc. became too much of a hassle for me.  I'm done with my brew day at exactly the same time I was before - sure it takes me longer to get down to pitch temps with an IC and ice water recic (after <100df), but I don't spend all this time recircing cleaner, rinsing, disassembling the pump, hoses, plate chiller etc.  

Spray off the IC and its done.

When I saw how much garbage was still in my plate chiller when I thought it was 'squeaky clean', well, I lost it a little bit.

[/rant]

I don't have as cool of groundwater as you guys do either, so they require a lot more extras to make em work properly.

By all means, whatever works for you, do it!  But beware that it ain't as clean as you think it is  ;)
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: EHall on October 01, 2010, 08:51:38 PM
I just hand my BK to Chuck Norris... few min later, its chilled!
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: weithman5 on October 01, 2010, 08:53:51 PM
I just hand my BK to Chuck Norris... few min later, its chilled!
chuck has been kind of busy.  now i have been using leroy jethro gibbs.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: redbeerman on October 02, 2010, 12:06:30 PM
I use a plate chiller, and haven't had any issues.  I backflush with hot water immediately after use and flush and sanitize before each use.  YMMV
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: dhacker on October 02, 2010, 02:46:37 PM
narvin - I did all that for years:

[rant]

BK: whole hop/bazooka - very little material made its way through.

1/2 hour recirc every time with hot PBW followed by a rinse, followed by a 90 minute bake at 250df.

but I'm telling you that if you take a white bucket and back flush both sides with the output going into that bucket you can do it for HOURS and still see little specks of hop particulate come out.  turn the hose on full blast to loosen it and then turn it off.  repeat.  you will see junk come out.  if you let it run you will only see it at first as the stuff becomes trapped in the bends, but if you hit it with high pressure, you'll see what I mean.

again, I used a plate chiller for a 4-5 years and never had an infection.  but all that cleaning, setup, sanitizing etc. became too much of a hassle for me.  I'm done with my brew day at exactly the same time I was before - sure it takes me longer to get down to pitch temps with an IC and ice water recic (after <100df), but I don't spend all this time recircing cleaner, rinsing, disassembling the pump, hoses, plate chiller etc.  

Spray off the IC and its done.

When I saw how much garbage was still in my plate chiller when I thought it was 'squeaky clean', well, I lost it a little bit.

[/rant]

I don't have as cool of groundwater as you guys do either, so they require a lot more extras to make em work properly.

By all means, whatever works for you, do it!  But beware that it ain't as clean as you think it is  ;)


Hey Blatz . .

FWIW, I use an IC when doing 5.5 gallon batches. Agreed . . it is easy to just drop and go! But the water consumption is a bit more than my liking when doing 11 gallon batches.

I'm an equal opportunity chiller!  :D
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: blatz on October 02, 2010, 02:54:58 PM

Hey Blatz . .

FWIW, I use an IC when doing 5.5 gallon batches. Agreed . . it is easy to just drop and go! But the water consumption is a bit more than my liking when doing 11 gallon batches.

I'm an equal opportunity chiller!  :D
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agreed - but I drop 12 gal from boil to 100df pretty quickly, then I switch to recirced icewater via sump pump for the remainder.

I've not actually compared it, but I think the amount of time it takes me to drop before recircing is probably equal or maybe even less time than it took me to run the full wort through the therminator, so I am not really wasting any more or less.
Title: Re: How do you chill your wort?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on October 03, 2010, 02:35:43 AM
Here you can get different size plate chillers.
http://www.dudadiesel.com/heat_exchangers.php

Reasonable priced.