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Title: Homebrewer innovation : Mass bottle sanitizer
Post by: 1vertical on January 13, 2012, 04:45:36 PM
How kewl is this  ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=35zhUHyIy_g&NR=1  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&v=35zhUHyIy_g&NR=1)
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Post by: jeffy on January 13, 2012, 05:26:47 PM
Very kewl.
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Post by: bluesman on January 13, 2012, 05:30:51 PM
I'd love to have one of them. :)
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Post by: tom on January 13, 2012, 06:06:44 PM
You could use it to clean first with hot PBW, rinse with hot water, then sanitize.
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Post by: euge on January 13, 2012, 06:12:55 PM
I would prefer to use all PVC instead of copper. Nice fab but maybe a frame instead of all those bungee cords?
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Post by: 1vertical on January 13, 2012, 06:19:13 PM
I would prefer to use all PVC instead of copper. Nice fab but maybe a frame instead of all those bungee cords?
That is spot on euge. PVC maybe even CPVC for higher temps.
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Post by: Hokerer on January 13, 2012, 06:56:19 PM
I would prefer to use all PVC instead of copper. Nice fab but maybe a frame instead of all those bungee cords?
That is spot on euge. PVC maybe even CPVC for higher temps.

Didn't one of the notes in the clip specifically say they tried plastic but it wouldn't fit into the bottles?
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Post by: euge on January 13, 2012, 07:26:01 PM
I would prefer to use all PVC instead of copper. Nice fab but maybe a frame instead of all those bungee cords?
That is spot on euge. PVC maybe even CPVC for higher temps.

Didn't one of the notes in the clip specifically say they tried plastic but it wouldn't fit into the bottles?

I didn't catch that.

Will do some looking around though I have my own simple methods for sanitizing bottles (dishwasher).
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Post by: tschmidlin on January 13, 2012, 07:50:46 PM
Just make sure you're doing full cases at a time, not 23 bottles. ;)
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Post by: oscarvan on January 15, 2012, 09:32:56 PM
That was a lot of soldering...... :o

Cornies rule.
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Post by: weithman5 on January 15, 2012, 09:53:57 PM
kewl, but why not just run the bottles through a dishwasher?
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Post by: tubercle on January 16, 2012, 12:33:05 AM
I can sanitize 24 bottles with star san before that thing can get hooked up and loaded. Waste of time and money IMHO.
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Post by: nyakavt on January 17, 2012, 07:43:42 PM
That's funny, I built almost the same thing about a year ago out of 1/2" CPVC.  The guy is right, the CPVC end caps caps are bigger than the bottle opening.  I got some 1/2" solid PVC stock from grainger, cut it into 1/2" long rods, and hammered it in the end of the CPVC.  Then a hole was drilled through the solid stock. 

Unfortunately I couldn't get mine to work properly.  All the flow was at the first few pipes next to the supply, the rest were barely a trickle.  I also didn't glue the long pipes down into the manifold, so they would pop off pretty quickly and kill the pressure.  I didn't want to glue them down so that they could be removed for getting out buildup (original purpose of this thing for me was a bottle washer).  I just stopped messing with the thing seeing how much additional work was needed to get it working.  And I haven't washed a bottle since  :-\
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Post by: Pinski on January 17, 2012, 08:02:56 PM

Unfortunately I couldn't get mine to work properly.  All the flow was at the first few pipes next to the supply, the rest were barely a trickle. 

These are conceptually like little landscape irrigation systems.  Similarly, all you need to do is design the laterals in a looped configuration as opposed to having several distal ends that will always have emitters with less pressure than those closer to the source.  Simply connect the end pieces with tees and a couple 90 degree elbows to create a continuous loop around the emitters. The pressure will equalize and it will perform much more as you intended. 
That said, man that's a lot of work compared to a dishwasher or starsan/bottle tree. But hey, sometimes it's about the process,  right?  ;) 
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Post by: hamiltont on January 17, 2012, 08:48:05 PM
Lose the bungee cords & enhance the pump and you got yourself a kewl 24 bottle rocket launcher....  :D
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Post by: Thirsty_Monk on January 18, 2012, 03:33:33 AM
Actually I like it.
This week I had to clean 150 growlers and this stuff would be a great help.

For 12oz and 23oz bottle Morebeer is selling something similar:
(http://morebeer.com/themes/morewinepro/thumbs/250x250/product_images/morebeer.com/1/5861.jpg)
http://morebeer.com/view_product/7271/102303/Rinsing_Sparging_Base

with bottle holder:
(http://morebeer.com/themes/morewinepro/thumbs/250x250/product_images/morebeer.com/1/5863.jpg)
http://morebeer.com/view_product/7272/102303/Bottle_Rack_For_CE970
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Post by: nyakavt on January 18, 2012, 02:06:40 PM
These are conceptually like little landscape irrigation systems.  Similarly, all you need to do is design the laterals in a looped configuration as opposed to having several distal ends that will always have emitters with less pressure than those closer to the source.  Simply connect the end pieces with tees and a couple 90 degree elbows to create a continuous loop around the emitters. The pressure will equalize and it will perform much more as you intended. 
That said, man that's a lot of work compared to a dishwasher or starsan/bottle tree. But hey, sometimes it's about the process,  right?  ;) 

Now that you put it that way, it makes perfect sense.  I never thought about closing the loops.  Thanks, that helps a lot.

For sanitizing, yeah this seems like a waste of time, especially compared with just using a hand sprayer and hanging on a bottle tree.  But for cleaning, it would be great to have something so I didn't have to break out the bottle brush.  During the last mass cleaning I had to use the brush on about 40% of the bottles to get them sparkling, even after an oxyclean soak.  Anybody have suggestions on this front?  Most of my bottles are pretty nasty and don't get rinsed right after emptying.
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Post by: Hokerer on January 18, 2012, 04:45:25 PM
Anybody have suggestions on this front?  Most of my bottles are pretty nasty and don't get rinsed right after emptying.

Suggestion #1 would be to do something about the above
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Post by: Slowbrew on January 18, 2012, 05:03:34 PM
You might be able to make loading it easier if you built the frame in a way that allowed you to insert the frame into bottles that are already in a box and then flip the whole thing over and remove the box.  You'd have to mount handles that let you pick it up full and set into the water collection box.  And quick disconnects of some type would probably be needed to make moving the rack in and out easier.

Not a bad design if you only bottle and brew a lot.

Paul
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Post by: 1vertical on January 18, 2012, 05:07:06 PM
 ::)  Thats kind of what I was thinking. It is not my method but someone might appreciate it.
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Post by: euge on January 18, 2012, 05:37:22 PM
Anybody have suggestions on this front?  Most of my bottles are pretty nasty and don't get rinsed right after emptying.

Suggestion #1 would be to do something about the above

I make it a discipline to leave the empties by the sink and either rinse them on the fly or in the morning next day. Really this is the best approach. Then all I have to do is rinse any dust out before sanitizing.
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Post by: repo on January 18, 2012, 06:07:14 PM
Anybody have suggestions on this front?  Most of my bottles are pretty nasty and don't get rinsed right after emptying.

Suggestion #1 would be to do something about the above

I make it a discipline to leave the empties by the sink and either rinse them on the fly or in the morning next day. Really this is the best approach. Then all I have to do is rinse any dust out before sanitizing.



+1  Its too easy to just rinse it quickly after the pour.
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Post by: tschmidlin on January 18, 2012, 06:29:01 PM
+1  Its too easy to just rinse it quickly after the pour.
At the very least, put an inch of water in them.  As long as the sludge stays wet it will rinse out fine the next day.
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Post by: euge on January 18, 2012, 06:30:11 PM
+1  Its too easy to just rinse it quickly after the pour.
At the very least, put an inch of water in them.  As long as the sludge stays wet it will rinse out fine the next day.

Exactly!
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Post by: Jimmy K on January 18, 2012, 06:33:05 PM
kewl, but why not just run the bottles through a dishwasher?

If you want to make sure to spray sanitizer INSIDE each bottle, a dishwasher won't work. The neck of a bottle is a small target to hit with the spray from a dishwasher arm.
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Post by: dzlater on January 18, 2012, 09:27:06 PM
I have one of those bottle washers that screw on to the faucet and blast a jet of water.
Always worked for me.
Blast the bottle with hot water and drop it in a bucket of sanitizer
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Post by: tubercle on January 18, 2012, 10:41:14 PM
Anybody have suggestions on this front?  Most of my bottles are pretty nasty and don't get rinsed right after emptying.

Suggestion #1 would be to do something about the above

I make it a discipline to leave the empties by the sink and either rinse them on the fly or in the morning next day. Really this is the best approach. Then all I have to do is rinse any dust out before sanitizing.



+1  Its too easy to just rinse it quickly after the pour.

That's all I ever do. Rinse after pour, into the dish drainer, store upside down in the box, santize and fill.
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Post by: nyakavt on January 19, 2012, 03:11:14 PM
Anybody have suggestions on this front?  Most of my bottles are pretty nasty and don't get rinsed right after emptying.

Suggestion #1 would be to do something about the above

Yeah, that doesn't do much for the 500 or so that are sitting in the attic and have already been abused  ;D  Most of these were dirtied back before I started kegging and at a tailgate, so no running water.  I'd be lucky to just get most of the empties back.  They probably would have been fine if cleaned the next day, but hey if I wasn't lazy we wouldn't be having this conversation  ;)  Now they have a nice dried on layer of sludge on the bottom.  I wonder if it's less effort to remove labels from new bottles or clean the old de-labeled ones?
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Post by: Slowbrew on January 19, 2012, 05:10:50 PM
When I bottled all my beer I found a good long soak in Straight-A or PBW (both hot to start with) always make getting the nasty leftovers out.  And by "long soak" I mean days, not hours.  I'd stuff any bad ones in buckets on Sunday and not touch them until the next Saturday.

Paul
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Post by: 1vertical on January 19, 2012, 05:16:07 PM
you know, at SOME point, the old bottle is Fin....and it is time to start fresh.  :o