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Title: Propane Burners
Post by: mikeypedersen on January 22, 2010, 05:29:41 PM
I've been using the same 55k BTU burner for years doing both 5 and 10 gallon batches.  For the 10 gallon batches I have been getting sick of heaving my kettle onto the burner with the temp of the wort at that point at around 140-150 and then waiting an hour or more to get a boil.  I think I'm going to buy one of the 210K Banjo Burners, but just wanted to check with folks about how much propane they eat up......Do you go through a lot more gas?
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: a10t2 on January 22, 2010, 08:05:52 PM
Why not drain the mash tun into the kettle while it's already on the burner? By the time I finish sparging (for a 5 gallon batch) the wort in the kettle is already at around 180°F.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: Hokerer on January 22, 2010, 08:48:44 PM
Why not drain the mash tun into the kettle while it's already on the burner?

If you batch sparge and you only own one burner, that may not be possible.  That's the way I run and I need my burner to heat my sparge water while the first runnings are draining from the mashtun.  Once I dump the sparge water in, I then have to lift the kettle (granted, only half full) onto the burner and the sparge runoff can then go into the "on burner" kettle.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: mikeypedersen on January 22, 2010, 09:03:22 PM
That's how i'm running it also, but I don't have a pump either.  I'm going to get a new low-profile burner and elevate my HLT and Mash Tun and rely solely on gravity for now.  I'm just wondering what kind of burner to get.  4x the BTUs of my current burner just sounds nice.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: a10t2 on January 22, 2010, 09:22:46 PM
Why not drain the mash tun into the kettle while it's already on the burner?
If you batch sparge and you only own one burner, that may not be possible.

It isn't a problem for me. I just heat my sparge water to 200°F or so, set it aside, and by the time I'm done with the first runnings it's still plenty hot.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: ndcube on January 22, 2010, 10:33:33 PM
Why not drain the mash tun into the kettle while it's already on the burner?
If you batch sparge and you only own one burner, that may not be possible.

It isn't a problem for me. I just heat my sparge water to 200°F or so, set it aside, and by the time I'm done with the first runnings it's still plenty hot.

+1 That's what I do and I have two burners.  That way I only have to get one of the out.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: mikeypedersen on January 22, 2010, 10:51:41 PM
So.......how much more gas do the bigger burners use? A lot....A little.  Are they terribly in-efficient?
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: Hokerer on January 22, 2010, 11:44:09 PM
So.......how much more gas do the bigger burners use? A lot....A little.  Are they terribly in-efficient?

You were asking about the 210K banjo which I know little about other than I believe it has a 30PSI regulator.  I use the 185K Bayou Classic SP-10 which uses a 20PSI regulator.  I wouldn't call mine inefficient as I easily get probably a half-dozen batches per 20lb tank (I mix in some grill time on the tank so I don't have an exact count).  You only really need to crank the gas while you're getting up to boil, once you're there, (at least on the SP-10) you can turn it down to a trickle of gas just to maintain the boil.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: dontblake on January 22, 2010, 11:56:38 PM
Hey Mikey
check out this thread at the BN
http://www.thebrewingnetwork.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=16238

The short story IIRC, is to stick with the 4" burner as the big ol banjo ones aren't as good.   At least that's what one of the posters said.   Oh, and check out the prices at agrisupply.   4" 180K btu burner for $8.... sounds like a good deal to me.

Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: ndcube on January 23, 2010, 02:05:47 PM
I think it's (210K banjo) pretty good compared to the 55K burner I have.  For a 6 gal batch I'm using about 6 lbs of propane for everything (boil, mash, sparge).  For a 10 gal batch I don't use much more than that for some reason only like .5 lb more.

I was using about the same with the 55K burner except I couldn't do a 10 gal batch.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: hankus on January 25, 2010, 09:51:10 PM
At my local Academy sports they sell the 160K for less thgan the 80..TWENTY BUX!!

http://www.academy.com/index.php?page=content&target=products/recreation/grilling/fryers&start=0&selectedSKU=0267-40037-0002

anything over 90KI BTU will work.
I live in Louisiana-5 miles from Metal Fusion  who are the big maker (under many brand names)of "Cajun" and Bayou" etc burners and even at their rare "damaged"goods sale they aren't this cheap
..have U considerd an electric heat stick?...the energy can be contained with insulation and not wasted as in propane and U can get to 190 degrees easily-EASY to build.Above 210 degrees requires HUGE energy to convert liquid to steam
   IMHO,I would ditch the low BTU burner and for 20-30 bux get the 160K and heat 1st water with it then use electric for subsequent water.The problem with storing hot water for future use is that >180 plastic used in coolers WILL leach.I don't know your finances but U could buy TWO for 20 bux each
Re:efficiency-I made a metal shroud for liquor tank as well as boiler whose sides I wrap with a blanket while boiling and always keep the flame within the circumference of the pot...having flames lick the pot is wasteful and NOT any quicker
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: bendbrew on January 28, 2010, 01:19:49 AM
I am looking into propane burners as well.  There is a local store selling the Camp Chef High Intensity burner for $54.  http://www.amazon.com/Camp-Chef-SHP-RL-Pressure-Detachable/dp/B0001D32QK  would this be good for a 10 gallon boil?
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: Hokerer on January 28, 2010, 02:18:36 AM
Camp Chef High Intensity burner for $54

That one says 75K Btu.  You'd probably be a lot better of with the SP-10...
http://www.amazon.com/Bayou-Classic-SP10-High-Pressure-Outdoor/dp/B000291GBQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=garden&qid=1264644924&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Bayou-Classic-SP10-High-Pressure-Outdoor/dp/B000291GBQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=garden&qid=1264644924&sr=1-1)
...that'll give you 185K Btu and it's only $39.96 with free shipping.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: tygo on January 28, 2010, 03:18:36 AM

That one says 75K Btu.  You'd probably be a lot better of with the SP-10...
http://www.amazon.com/Bayou-Classic-SP10-High-Pressure-Outdoor/dp/B000291GBQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=garden&qid=1264644924&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Bayou-Classic-SP10-High-Pressure-Outdoor/dp/B000291GBQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=garden&qid=1264644924&sr=1-1)
...that'll give you 185K Btu and it's only $39.96 with free shipping.


+1 That's what I have and it's a beast.  And you can't beat the price.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: bendbrew on January 28, 2010, 03:22:07 PM
There is a review on this burner that states that kettles made out of kegs do not sit properly on it.  Has anyone had this difficulty?

http://www.amazon.com/Bayou-Classic-SP10-High-Pressure-Outdoor/dp/B000291GBQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=garden&qid=1264644924&sr=1-1
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: tygo on January 28, 2010, 04:05:07 PM
I'm using a regular kettle so I don't know how a keg would fit on it.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: Hokerer on January 28, 2010, 04:25:42 PM
There is a review on this burner that states that kettles made out of kegs do not sit properly on it.  Has anyone had this difficulty?

Sorry, can't help you there.  I use a Megapot so I have no idea about a keggle.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: mikeypedersen on January 28, 2010, 04:34:52 PM
There is a review on this burner that states that kettles made out of kegs do not sit properly on it.  Has anyone had this difficulty?

http://www.amazon.com/Bayou-Classic-SP10-High-Pressure-Outdoor/dp/B000291GBQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=garden&qid=1264644924&sr=1-1

I just picked up the Banjo Burner off of Craigslist, it looks like it will work with a keg very well.  Plus i'm sure that the 200+BTUS wills be great for getting large volumes to boil.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: twocansam on January 28, 2010, 06:35:22 PM
I have two banjo burners and cook exclusively with converted kegs.  The banjo burner is almost two powerful for the kegs as I only use about half power on the burner and the bottom skirts of the kegs are red hot and I have even seen some deformation of the skirt due to excess heat.  Oops. 
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: a10t2 on January 29, 2010, 03:23:02 AM
There is a review on this burner that states that kettles made out of kegs do not sit properly on it.  Has anyone had this difficulty?

I used a half-barrel keg on mine once but didn't feel comfortable with it. The keg base is just barely larger in diameter than the burner ring, so it's precarious and has to be kept perfectly centered.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: yugamrap on February 02, 2010, 07:14:19 PM
There is a review on this burner that states that kettles made out of kegs do not sit properly on it.  Has anyone had this difficulty?

I used a half-barrel keg on mine once but didn't feel comfortable with it. The keg base is just barely larger in diameter than the burner ring, so it's precarious and has to be kept perfectly centered.
Get a barbecue grate or a sheet of non-galvanized expanded metal and put that between the keg and the burner.  That'll keep the keg steady.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: blatz on February 02, 2010, 07:23:37 PM
hence the production of the KAB6.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: bluesman on February 02, 2010, 07:32:50 PM
Bayou Classic Banjo Burner KAB6 with a 15 gallon keggle works like a charm.

http://www.shop.5-0bbq.com/Banjo-Burner-Cooker-With-Hose-Guard-Model-KAB6-KAB6.htm
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: bendbrew on February 03, 2010, 01:39:13 AM
Bluesman-thanks for the link.  They charge $31 for delivery thought.  I will see what other options are available
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: dontblake on February 03, 2010, 03:05:39 AM
Quote
There is a review on this burner that states that kettles made out of kegs do not sit properly on it.  Has anyone had this difficulty?

I have a similar problem.   My 10 gal pot fits fine, but my keg is pretty much the same diameter as the edge of my burner.  I solved the problem *temporarily* by strapping 2 pieces of metal to the burner for support.  Now I need to build a stand that can handle that darn keg.    At least I've been brewing more 5-gal batches vs 10-gal, so it's no major deal.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: mikeypedersen on February 03, 2010, 03:52:20 AM
Bayou Classic Banjo Burner KAB6 with a 15 gallon keggle works like a charm.

http://www.shop.5-0bbq.com/Banjo-Burner-Cooker-With-Hose-Guard-Model-KAB6-KAB6.htm
Just brewed my first batch with one of those. Wow, that thing puts out some heat, and fits a converted keg perfectly!
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: weazletoe on February 06, 2010, 04:40:25 PM
Seems to me, that weather you use a 220k burner, or a 55k burner, you would use near the same amount of fuel. You will only be running he flame flat out till you hit a boil. With he added BTU's, you will use more fule at that time, but reach a boil faser, allowing you to back it down sooner. With a 55k, you have to run it wide open for a longer time before the boil begins. Seems to me, it's half a dozen one way, and six the other.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: ndcube on February 06, 2010, 05:03:46 PM
Seems to me, that weather you use a 220k burner, or a 55k burner, you would use near the same amount of fuel. You will only be running he flame flat out till you hit a boil. With he added BTU's, you will use more fule at that time, but reach a boil faser, allowing you to back it down sooner. With a 55k, you have to run it wide open for a longer time before the boil begins. Seems to me, it's half a dozen one way, and six the other.

I think that's true for the most part.  My experience is that I used about the same amount with my 55K and 220K.  There are probably slight differences.  For example, I would think that the longer it takes to heat to a boil the more heat is wasted thru the sides/top of the kettle.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: dean on February 07, 2010, 01:22:09 PM
While I haven't tried it yet, I think adding a skirt to the banjo type burners will help a lot.  I've noticed that I go through more fuel with outdoor temperatures being lower here, even though there is no wind since I brew in a shed.  I think a lot of the heat is going out the sides between the burner and the keggle.  A skirt would concentrate the heat more. 

Btw... I only use one burner right now too, I keep my first runnings in a cheap stainless steel 20 quart pot until I drain the sparge water from the keggle and I don't have to move the keggle around that way.  I've got two smaller 55k burners that ClaudiusB gave to me but I haven't set up my stand the way I want it yet, I keep changing my mind on how I want it... I like using gravity as much as possible but I don't like having the tops of the kegs higher than four and a half feet or I would need a platform to get up on.   ::)
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: mrnohrco on February 15, 2010, 04:34:43 PM
There is a review on this burner that states that kettles made out of kegs do not sit properly on it.  Has anyone had this difficulty?

http://www.amazon.com/Bayou-Classic-SP10-High-Pressure-Outdoor/dp/B000291GBQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=garden&qid=1264644924&sr=1-1

The keg may be larger diameter than the stand. Thats not good, you need to have some space between the keg and the burner. Also be sure the keg has holes around the rim to vent any gasses that could accumulate before lighting, could ruin your day. I use a stand that we make called keglegs, perfect height for anything, brings a quick boil too. Flexible brewing. Gravity, herms, rims however you set it up.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: a10t2 on February 15, 2010, 06:06:26 PM
There is a review on this burner that states that kettles made out of kegs do not sit properly on it.  Has anyone had this difficulty?

I used a half-barrel keg on mine once but didn't feel comfortable with it. The keg base is just barely larger in diameter than the burner ring, so it's precarious and has to be kept perfectly centered.
Title: Re: Propane Burners
Post by: slimsparty on February 19, 2010, 10:57:05 PM
Don't sweat it!  The Keggle Skirt is about half an inch smaller than the KAB4.  Unless you plan to knock it over, you won't have trouble.  I also get the red hot skirt, but it isn't a major issue either.  Works great!