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Title: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: gsandel on February 06, 2012, 07:33:14 PM
After being out of pocket for last 6 days (and truthfully, not paying attention), I went to sign up for (my first ever) NHC this morning....The first time I had both the time and the means to attend and....DOH!  Epic Fail. :'(

As a result, I have a number of questions:

1. How many people are on the wait list, and really, what is the turnover rate, and what are my chances (where am I on the list)?
2. Are there any plans to increase capacity to the event (thus due to or affecting question #1)?
3. Is there any opportunity to volunteer for the event (similar to GABF)?

Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: dbeechum on February 06, 2012, 08:03:47 PM
1) Don't know.. but we anticipate a usually healthy churn rate, so get on the list!
2) We're smack up against the maximum capacity of the venue, so I don't think we can expand no matter how much we want to.
3) That would be a question for Mr. Tom, but I don't recall us having a non-attendee volunteer corp.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: gsandel on February 06, 2012, 08:24:00 PM
Thanks Drew.  My brother and I are on the waitlist as of noon today.

Unfortunately, it is what it is, and I have learned my lesson, but it is my guess that in the future this event will either sell out in 20 minutes next year, or the capacity will expand to make it not as pleasant of an experience.

From here on out, it is my guess that there will be the fight between capacity and intimacy (or lack thereof).  I hope it not to ever be like GABF.  Maybe it becomes a regional model.

At any rate, I am looking forward to volunteering to help at the first round competition.

Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: denny on February 06, 2012, 09:16:21 PM
From here on out, it is my guess that there will be the fight between capacity and intimacy (or lack thereof). 



This is a conversation that's been ongoing in the AHA and Governing Committee.  I imagine it will be a main focus of our meeting at NHC.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: tschmidlin on February 06, 2012, 10:13:31 PM
3) That would be a question for Mr. Tom, but I don't recall us having a non-attendee volunteer corp.
Sorry, we really only have jobs for registered people. :-\
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: gsandel on February 06, 2012, 10:57:45 PM
Thank you Gentlemen for the quick weigh in.  I know you are working on the issue, and perhaps you weren't super surprised about the quick sell out (not as surprised as I was).  I truly did not believe that I was risking missing out by waiting almost a full week to register.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: dbeechum on February 06, 2012, 11:03:02 PM
perhaps you weren't super surprised about the quick sell out

I would like to note for the record that i believe everyone involved in this effort was caught flat footed by the rapidity of ticket sales.

I'm also fairly certain that Kate is just about recovered from the frenzy.. maybe.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: tschmidlin on February 07, 2012, 12:03:23 AM
I didn't expect it to sell out so quickly, no way, no how.  It was crazy.

I want to add though, that while there is no way to increase the capacity for this year's event, we hope it will be less of a problem going forward.  This location was chosen and the contract was signed before the MN conference in 2010, and this venue is able to hold ~20% more than that one.  It's a fine line between having enough room to grow and having too much room so that actual attendance doesn't come close to what is needed to break even.

I think one thing we need to look at is the ability of any chosen venue to grow to accommodate the number of people who want to attend.  That really limits where the conference can go though.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: bonjour on February 07, 2012, 03:43:04 AM
perhaps you weren't super surprised about the quick sell out

I would like to note for the record that i believe everyone involved in this effort was caught flat footed by the rapidity of ticket sales.

I'm also fairly certain that Kate is just about recovered from the frenzy.. maybe.
I figured a month for a sell out, maybe 6 weeks, not two.

two days, NO WAY

And yes,  this will be looked at in some detail.

My wife will be with me in the hotel, but I don't have a ticket for her and I'm not going to ask for one and I don't expect anyone to give me one either. 
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: punatic on February 07, 2012, 05:30:33 AM

My wife will be with me in the hotel, but I don't have a ticket for her and I'm not going to ask for one and I don't expect anyone to give me one either. 


Uh huh...  and what does SHE have to say about this?   ;)   :D
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: bluesman on February 07, 2012, 12:26:35 PM
There are a lot of folks picking their jaws up from the floor. I was amazed at the five day sellout as well. I think this is commonly referred to as "growing pains". I am confident that the AHA will be addressing this issue and hopefully this can be less of a problem in the years to come.

There are many veteran AHA members that didn't get tickets and are very disappointed. I can certainly understand their disappointment. I also understand that this was a complete surprise to the AHA. I also think that the AHA Governing Committee will be discussing this in detail going forward.

Hopefully the AHA can satisfy many of those on the waiting list.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 07, 2012, 01:01:26 PM
Based on last year's competition filling all judging location early, we were online at 12:05.  But we usually register the first day anyway.

One extra location has been added this year for the competition.  Does anyone think the comp. will not fill up early?
 
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: theDarkSide on February 07, 2012, 01:33:53 PM
I'm curious if we will see the Philly conference sell out as fast.  It's always been my impression ( maybe not so ) that the biggest concentration of AHA members are in the West Coast/Mountain regions.  So it would figure those conferences would see out quicker.  I just don't know if we would get the same West Coast contingent if they have to fly all the way across the country.  That has been a factor for the last few years for me being on the East coast but I made sure to make it work this year.

Regardless, I will be on the PC 15 minutes before the conference goes online next year ( booked my hotel room 10 minutes before published time this year ), as will many others I'm sure so make sure those servers upgrades are in place.  ;)
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 07, 2012, 01:56:44 PM
I don't know the hotel size for next year, but there is huge "pent up demand" on the East Coast.  That and  1/4 of the US population lives within a 6 hour drive, more than half in a 10 hour drive (looked that up).  I will probably drive from Michigan next year - if I don't get shut out.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: jeffy on February 07, 2012, 02:28:32 PM
I know they didn't show up for the conference in Orlando.  I'm not sure why, whether it was distance or the fact that nobody wanted to go to Florida in June, but it was a very low turn-out.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: dbeechum on February 07, 2012, 03:56:27 PM
yeah, orlando was a shame. it still had a very respectable 600+ attendee rate, but baltimore the year prior had over 800.

the hotel was very nice, but there was the odd strain or two like the rule of no beer in the hallways!

I think a lot people look at the conference as a chance to do the whole beer trip thing, but most don't realize that once you enter the hotel, you can checkout anytime you want, but you can never leave <guitar solo>
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: punatic on February 07, 2012, 06:33:36 PM
yeah, orlando was a shame. it still had a very respectable 600+ attendee rate, but baltimore the year prior had over 800.

Well, by that time I had left Orlando to live in Hawaii, so that was two less attendees right there (SWMBO & me).   :D
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: tschmidlin on February 07, 2012, 06:58:24 PM
I know they didn't show up for the conference in Orlando.  I'm not sure why, whether it was distance or the fact that nobody wanted to go to Florida in June, but it was a very low turn-out.
I was in Orlando, it was a great time, and I'll be wherever the conference is moving forward.  I think this will be my 8th conference. :)
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: dbeechum on February 07, 2012, 07:14:25 PM
yeah, looking here.. http://www.ahaconference.org/conference-information/past-conferences/

this will be number 10 for me.

My first was the 2001 LA conference. Missed 2002 in Texas and 2005 in Baltimore.  Helped organized 2001, 2004, 2009 and 2011.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: tschmidlin on February 07, 2012, 07:20:15 PM
yeah, looking here.. http://www.ahaconference.org/conference-information/past-conferences/

this will be number 10 for me.

My first was the 2001 LA conference. Missed 2002 in Texas and 2005 in Baltimore.  Helped organized 2001, 2004, 2009 and 2011.
That's a great reference to show how the conference has grown recently.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: theDarkSide on February 07, 2012, 07:26:15 PM
That 1991 Manchester, NH always cracks me up.  But back then I was working Night Audit in VT and drinking Michelob Light.  I work in Manchester now ( and drink better beer ) and live just south of here.  The Verizon Wireless is about the only place big enough now but not much for hotels around, and none attached.

Maybe Boston one day but it won't be cheap I can tell you.  Too bad too, since the Hynes Convention Center has 3 major hotels connected to it ( Sheraton, Marriott, & Westin ) so you never need to go outside.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: punatic on February 07, 2012, 07:51:40 PM
I've been to Denver '94, Baltimore '95, NOLA '96 (where I met my wife, and also judged BOS meads), Cleveland '97, and Chicago '03.

Needless to say, NOLA was my hands-down favorite  Brewstorm '94 was a blast.  The others were a whole lot of fun too.

I'd love to see the NHC return to NOLA.  It is a GREAT town!

Fingers crossed on this year's waiting list!  

Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: jeffy on February 07, 2012, 08:45:21 PM
yeah, looking here.. http://www.ahaconference.org/conference-information/past-conferences/

this will be number 10 for me.

My first was the 2001 LA conference. Missed 2002 in Texas and 2005 in Baltimore.  Helped organized 2001, 2004, 2009 and 2011.

This will be my 13th.  All good, but I enjoyed Chicago the best.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 07, 2012, 08:59:45 PM
This will be our 7th.  Chicago in 2003, then all from 2007-2011.  Too much work got in the way from 2003 to 2007.

They have all been a great time.

See you all in June.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: victorwi on February 07, 2012, 10:53:44 PM
yeah, looking here.. http://www.ahaconference.org/conference-information/past-conferences/

this will be number 10 for me.

My first was the 2001 LA conference. Missed 2002 in Texas and 2005 in Baltimore.  Helped organized 2001, 2004, 2009 and 2011.
What??? There was a conference in Milwaukee in '92? And I had just started homebrewing and missed it. ;D

I've only been to Minneapolis in '10 and now Seattle in '12. Glad I caught the "nearly sold out" Tweet as I also reserved a hotel room right away and thought I'd have plenty of time to actually commit some cash to it. Apparently Twitter is useful after all.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: punatic on March 05, 2012, 09:42:37 PM
Well guys, the waiting list route might be your best bet.  There is reason to hope.

I signed up on the waiting list and have been successful in registering for NHC '12.

Color me happy!  See you in Seattle (Belleview)!
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: denny on March 05, 2012, 09:53:01 PM
Well guys, the waiting list route might be your best bet.  There is reason to hope.

I signed up on the waiting list and have been successful in registering for NHC '12.

Color me happy!  See you in Seattle (Belleview)!

Looking forward to meeting you, Carl.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: punatic on March 05, 2012, 09:57:23 PM
Likewise Denny!  I'm sure we're going to have a pragmatic time.   8)
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 05, 2012, 10:37:59 PM
If there is a forum meet up this year, I will try and not wander off right before hand.   :P
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: denny on March 05, 2012, 11:05:23 PM
If there is a forum meet up this year, I will try and not wander off right before hand.   :P

I was thinking about that....we should try it again.  Maybe set a time to all invade the hospitality suite?  Hmmm, perhaps we should start a new topic about this.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: tschmidlin on March 06, 2012, 04:56:53 AM
Well guys, the waiting list route might be your best bet.  There is reason to hope.

I signed up on the waiting list and have been successful in registering for NHC '12.

Color me happy!  See you in Seattle (Belleview)!
Glad you got in Karl!

(I know, Carl, but it's Bellevue ;D )
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: bluesman on March 06, 2012, 05:26:38 AM
If there is a forum meet up this year, I will try and not wander off right before hand.   :P

I was thinking about that....we should try it again.  Maybe set a time to all invade the hospitality suite?  Hmmm, perhaps we should start a new topic about this.

I'll 2nd that motion Denny.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: punatic on March 06, 2012, 06:38:03 AM
Well guys, the waiting list route might be your best bet.  There is reason to hope.

I signed up on the waiting list and have been successful in registering for NHC '12.

Color me happy!  See you in Seattle (Belleview)!
Glad you got in Karl!

(I know, Carl, but it's Bellevue

No worries Thom!

Hey, as we say here about hula dancers' hands telling the story, "You watch (view) the parts you like, and I'll watch the parts I like."

Get it?  Belle view...   ;) 
(it's a Southern thing)

+1 on the forum gathering.  On my registration, for the Club/Company entry I put "Forum name Punatic."  Perhaps there may be some way of identifying forum participants on their conference ID badges?  If this is not possible via the NHC badge printer, maybe something we make up ourselves?  Hell, we could even have a secret handshake!
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: Pinski on March 06, 2012, 08:01:18 AM
+1 on the forum gathering.  On my registration, for the Club/Company entry I put "Forum name Punatic."  Perhaps there may be some way of identifying forum participants on their conference ID badges?  If this is not possible via the NHC badge printer, maybe something we make up ourselves?  Hell, we could even have a secret handshake!

I had a dream about being at NHC... had a blast.  One of the best things about it was that when we checked in we received t-shirts with our forum avatars on them! It was so cool to be able to spot people that you "recognized" and introduce yourself.  OK, maybe I'm a little too excited for my first NHC and maybe the t-shirts are a bit much. But hey, what about ID's with our forum avatars on them?
In my dream I was on a mission to find "David St. Hubbins"... his Chanterelle Shroombeer turned out fantastic!
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: Hokerer on March 06, 2012, 02:31:55 PM
In my dream I was on a mission to find "David St. Hubbins"... his Chanterelle Shroombeer turned out fantastic!

Except that David St. Hubbins is now a little Cub Scout :)
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: Pinski on March 06, 2012, 02:56:33 PM
In my dream I was on a mission to find "David St. Hubbins"... his Chanterelle Shroombeer turned out fantastic!

Except that David St. Hubbins is now a little Cub Scout :)

I noticed that, great pic!
In the dream, I was cracking up because Tom was wearing a t-shirt with a big ol' picture of Tom on the front. ;D
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: denny on March 06, 2012, 04:47:03 PM
In my dream I was on a mission to find "David St. Hubbins"... his Chanterelle Shroombeer turned out fantastic!

Except that David St. Hubbins is now a little Cub Scout :)

BOY Scout, thank you very much!
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: ehhaynes on March 06, 2012, 04:48:43 PM
Hey there, if one is on the waiting list how will they get notified if a spot opens?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Heath
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: denny on March 06, 2012, 04:49:14 PM
As far as I know, you'll be notified.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: punatic on March 06, 2012, 05:15:55 PM
Hey there, if one is on the waiting list how will they get notified if a spot opens?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Heath

I was contacted via the email address I provided when I signed up on the waiting list.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: Hokerer on March 06, 2012, 05:32:25 PM
Except that David St. Hubbins is now a little Cub Scout :)

BOY Scout, thank you very much!

Dang, how could I, of all folks, screw that up.  Of course the shirt is green and not blue. 

Guess it's just your childish good looks that threw me :)
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: punatic on March 06, 2012, 06:18:02 PM
FWIW The Cub Scout rank WEBLOS II is allowed to wear the green uniform.  They are transitioning to Boy Scouts.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: denny on March 06, 2012, 11:36:37 PM
Except that David St. Hubbins is now a little Cub Scout :)

BOY Scout, thank you very much!

Dang, how could I, of all folks, screw that up.  Of course the shirt is green and not blue. 

Guess it's just your childish good looks that threw me :)

IIRC, I was about 12 when that picture was taken.  About a year before I discovered, girls, rock'n'roll, and everything that went with them....nudge, nudge, wink, wink...
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: richardt on March 07, 2012, 12:41:52 AM
I agree it would be great to have the option of having our forum name also listed on our ID's along with our real names (I am assuming we have to wear ID's since I have to at all other conferences I attend).  It is always noisy as hell at these conferences, and I don't want to waste time with intro's and ice breaking.
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: punatic on March 07, 2012, 12:57:39 AM
There is a rumor going around that we may get RFID chips implanted this year instead of wearing badges (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFwprS_L6tg)   :o
Title: Re: NHC sold out - any other way?
Post by: bluesman on March 07, 2012, 03:59:27 AM
There is a rumor going around that we may get RFID chips implanted this year instead of wearing badges (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFwprS_L6tg)   :o

Glad you're gonna make to Seattle Carl.   8)