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Title: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on February 20, 2012, 05:03:03 PM
I was recently gifted a bag of Weyermann Floor Malted Bohemian Pilsner.  So far, I've used it for a BoPils and for a CAP and I love the results.  I'm thinking of doing a 50:50 blend of the floor malted stuff and Best Pils for my Helles and Northern German Pils.  Has anyone used the floor malted bopils malt for German beers?  What are your impressions?
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: jmcamerlengo on February 20, 2012, 05:27:26 PM
I cant speak to answer your question but im glad to hear about you enjoying the results in a BoPils and CAP as I picked up a bag and planned on using it in a BoPils and Imperial CAP...if you wanna call it that. So lookin forward to it!
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on February 20, 2012, 07:19:16 PM
I cant speak to answer your question but im glad to hear about you enjoying the results in a BoPils and CAP as I picked up a bag and planned on using it in a BoPils and Imperial CAP...if you wanna call it that. So lookin forward to it!

I think you'll like it a lot in that Imperial CAP.  It's got a really smooth grainy flavor that works well in that style.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: Jimmy K on February 20, 2012, 07:34:10 PM
Not Bo Pils, but I've used Weyermann floor malted marris otter and loved it.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: jmcamerlengo on February 20, 2012, 07:49:47 PM
I cant speak to answer your question but im glad to hear about you enjoying the results in a BoPils and CAP as I picked up a bag and planned on using it in a BoPils and Imperial CAP...if you wanna call it that. So lookin forward to it!

I think you'll like it a lot in that Imperial CAP.  It's got a really smooth grainy flavor that works well in that style.

Awesome.  Look forward to trying that out.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: rbclay on February 22, 2012, 03:57:12 AM
Not Bo Pils, but I've used Weyermann floor malted marris otter and loved it.

umm... i think you mean Warminster MO. Pretty sure German Weyermann isn't making any Maris Otter?!?
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: majorvices on February 22, 2012, 06:43:35 PM
Not Bo Pils, but I've used Weyermann floor malted marris otter and loved it.

umm... i think you mean Warminster MO. Pretty sure German Weyermann isn't making any Maris Otter?!?

That makes more sense to me as well. Never heard of wyermann MO.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: tschmidlin on February 22, 2012, 06:55:41 PM
Not Bo Pils, but I've used Weyermann floor malted marris otter and loved it.

umm... i think you mean Warminster MO. Pretty sure German Weyermann isn't making any Maris Otter?!?

That makes more sense to me as well. Never heard of wyermann MO.
Maybe Weyermann pale ale malt.  My LHBS sells MO as "British pale malt", that could lead to confusion.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: majorvices on February 22, 2012, 07:22:19 PM
huh. Never heard of that one either. I guess if English malsters can malt lager malts German malters can malt ale malts. Or whatever.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: Jimmy K on February 22, 2012, 07:50:44 PM
Not Bo Pils, but I've used Weyermann floor malted marris otter and loved it.

umm... i think you mean Warminster MO. Pretty sure German Weyermann isn't making any Maris Otter?!?

TWO maltsters whose names begin with W! What are the odds.
 
Yeah, I meant Warminster. Oops.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 22, 2012, 07:53:12 PM
huh. Never heard of that one either. I guess if English malsters can malt lager malts German malters can malt ale malts. Or whatever.

Both Weyermann and Durst make Pale Ale malts.  I have never seen the variety mentioned.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: davidgzach on February 22, 2012, 09:56:22 PM
I was recently gifted a bag of Weyermann Floor Malted Bohemian Pilsner.  So far, I've used it for a BoPils and for a CAP and I love the results.  I'm thinking of doing a 50:50 blend of the floor malted stuff and Best Pils for my Helles and Northern German Pils.  Has anyone used the floor malted bopils malt for German beers?  What are your impressions?

I just bought a sack of Weyermann Floor Malted BoPils specifically for making German& American Light Lagers for the summer, starting with a Becks clone.  Can't wait!
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: nateo on April 19, 2012, 12:32:14 AM
I just bought a sack of Weyermann Floor Malted BoPils specifically for making German& American Light Lagers for the summer, starting with a Becks clone.  Can't wait!

The sack I ordered just arrived. I was really blown away by the aroma and flavor. I haven't brewed with it yet (just chewed on the grains), but it's the most friable, flavorful and aromatic base malt I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: davidgzach on April 19, 2012, 12:09:11 PM
So far I've made a BoPils and a Kolsch with it.  This weekend is my Munich Helles.  Do you plan on incorporating a protein rest or no?
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: nateo on April 19, 2012, 12:36:44 PM
So far I've made a BoPils and a Kolsch with it.  This weekend is my Munich Helles.  Do you plan on incorporating a protein rest or no?

According to: http://www.weyermann.de/downloads/pdf/Voigt_Poster_Trends%20in%20Brewing%20Ghent%202010.pdf

The Kolbach is 38, which is overmodified by lager malt standards. I don't think it's wise to use a protein rest with it. The triple-decoction schedule they show in the poster jumps from 100* to 149*.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 19, 2012, 01:06:53 PM
So far I've made a BoPils and a Kolsch with it.  This weekend is my Munich Helles.  Do you plan on incorporating a protein rest or no?

Made a BoPils with it, no protein rest, and it has brilliant clarity.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: jmcamerlengo on April 19, 2012, 02:38:58 PM
I havent tried this malt yet without a decoction. I know it is slightly undermodified, any issues with step or infusion mashes with this malt?
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 19, 2012, 02:50:26 PM
I havent tried this malt yet without a decoction. I know it is slightly undermodified, any issues with step or infusion mashes with this malt?
A Kolbach index under 37 would get you in the slightly undermodified range.  I did do a decoction using it, but it was a Hochkurz starting at 144F.

If you wish a step mash with a rest at 131-133F for 10 to 15 min. would take care of any haze that may or may not be there.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: jmcamerlengo on April 19, 2012, 02:54:44 PM
I havent tried this malt yet without a decoction. I know it is slightly undermodified, any issues with step or infusion mashes with this malt?
A Kolbach index under 37 would get you in the slightly undermodified range.  I did do a decoction using it, but it was a Hochkurz starting at 144F.

If you wish a step mash with a rest at 131-133F for 10 to 15 min. would take care of any haze that may or may not be there.

Thats kind of what I thought. I will try this with a step mash of 131-144-158-168 and post results!
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: nateo on April 19, 2012, 02:56:53 PM
A Kolbach index under 37 would get you in the slightly undermodified range.  I did do a decoction using it, but it was a Hochkurz starting at 144F.

If you wish a step mash with a rest at 131-133F for 10 to 15 min. would take care of any haze that may or may not be there.

Hopfen is right. A Kolbach of 38 is in the "normal" for single-infusion malts, and overmodified for malts intended for decoction mashing. I would worry about excessive degradation (head killing) if you stop in the 130's.

http://www.brewingtechniques.com/bmg/noonan.html

"Malts destined for infusion mashing should have an SNR of 36-42%, or up to 45% for light-bodied beer. At a percentage much over 45% SNR, the beer will be thin in body and mouthfeel. For traditional lager malts, 30-33% indicates undermodification, and 37-40% indicates overmodification."
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: davidgzach on April 19, 2012, 02:59:47 PM
Jason,

I did a 20 minute protein rest at 130 for the Kolsch.  Then 150 for 90 minutes.

For my BoPils, I did a 30 minute protein rest at 128, followed by infusion to 146 for 45 minutes, followed by a 15 minute boiled decoction to 158 for what ended up being 90 minutes because I was making another beer (gluten free for buddy) that tied up my kettle.  Mashed out at 170.  Bubbling along happily in my chest freezer at 52F.  Will post results. 

Dave
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: nateo on April 19, 2012, 03:07:45 PM
I got a sack of this malt because I intend to brew a no-sparge single-infusion Helles and a decoction Helles to see if I can tell a difference. When my fermentors open up next month I'll brew those. 
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: jmcamerlengo on April 19, 2012, 03:15:31 PM
excellent everyone! Let me know how things turn out.

Dave thats a long protein rest!
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: davidgzach on April 19, 2012, 03:18:47 PM
excellent everyone! Let me know how things turn out.

Dave thats a long protein rest!

I like mixing it up.  Took the recipe out of 'Designing Great Beers'.  I know malts have become more modified in the past 10 years, but I figured "what the heck".
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: denny on April 19, 2012, 03:35:00 PM
I got a sack of this malt because I intend to brew a no-sparge single-infusion Helles and a decoction Helles to see if I can tell a difference. When my fermentors open up next month I'll brew those.

I volunteer to help you test!
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: nateo on April 19, 2012, 06:26:07 PM
I volunteer to help you test!

That might be fun. Maybe we can get a few people to do blind tastings? I've never mailed homebrew before, so, how do you do that? Specifically, I wonder if it'd be better to bottle samples in PET than glass. Is it more likely the glass would break or the plastic cap would leak?

I'll try to schedule both brews on the same day to minimize aging differences.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: denny on April 19, 2012, 06:42:25 PM
I volunteer to help you test!

That might be fun. Maybe we can get a few people to do blind tastings? I've never mailed homebrew before, so, how do you do that? Specifically, I wonder if it'd be better to bottle samples in PET than glass. Is it more likely the glass would break or the plastic cap would leak?

I'll try to schedule both brews on the same day to minimize aging differences.

PET would probably be better.  When I mail glass bottles, I put each one in a zip lock bag.  Then wrap that in bubble wrap, then wrap that in newspaper.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: davidgzach on April 19, 2012, 07:52:19 PM
I'll gladly volunteer and offer up a bottle of my BoPils with the protein rest, hochkurz mash and single decoction to the participants.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: jmcamerlengo on April 19, 2012, 08:04:00 PM
Me as well.

100% Floor Malted BoPils
100% Saaz

Doughed in cold, ramped to 127. Held for 10 minutes
Pulled thick decoction. Rest at 158 for 20 minutes. Boil for 30 minutes.
Meanwhile in main "thin" mash ramp to 144 after main protein rest.
Add decoction back to hit 158. Hold 30 minutes.
Mashout @ 170.

WY2001.

Its lagering now. Should be ready in about 3-4 weeks.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: farmbrew on May 11, 2012, 04:36:34 PM

Both Weyermann and Durst make Pale Ale malts.  I have never seen the variety mentioned.

Here's what the Weyermann website says
"The Weyermann® Bohemian Pilsner Malt, for example, is produced only from the Hanka barley variety, while the Weyermann® floor-malted Bohemian Pilsner Malt is produced only from Bojos or Tolar. These three varieties have great authenticity value because they are genetic descendants of the mid-19th-century Czech variety Haná, which also known as "Old-Haná Agro-Ecotype.” Haná was the barley in the first Pilsner mash, in 1842, and it has since become the foundation land race for hundreds of top-quality brewing barley varieties cultivated throughout the world today."

They also mention that they now produce an oak smoked wheat malt for making Gratzer!!!

I've used the floor malted pilsner for saisons...sunshine in a glass  :)

F
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on May 13, 2012, 02:56:23 AM
Just as a trivia:
Hana is a region in Moravia north of Olomouc.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on May 13, 2012, 03:48:03 AM

Both Weyermann and Durst make Pale Ale malts.  I have never seen the variety mentioned.

Here's what the Weyermann website says
"The Weyermann® Bohemian Pilsner Malt, for example, is produced only from the Hanka barley variety, while the Weyermann® floor-malted Bohemian Pilsner Malt is produced only from Bojos or Tolar. These three varieties have great authenticity value because they are genetic descendants of the mid-19th-century Czech variety Haná, which also known as "Old-Haná Agro-Ecotype.” Haná was the barley in the first Pilsner mash, in 1842, and it has since become the foundation land race for hundreds of top-quality brewing barley varieties cultivated throughout the world today."

They also mention that they now produce an oak smoked wheat malt for making Gratzer!!!

I've used the floor malted pilsner for saisons...sunshine in a glass  :)

F

My comment was on the Weyermann MO malt that was in the conversation as it got sidetracked. If you read the comments I have used the Weyermann Floor Malted Bohemian malt. I have also used the regular Weyerman Bohemian malt.

We even stopped by the Weyermann maltings a month ago, but the "Fannshop" was closed due to an illness. That was disappointing, so we had to find Cafe Abseits to take care of that.  ;)

Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: jmcamerlengo on May 14, 2012, 03:32:00 PM
Tried my BoPils with 100% of this malt as the grist. Its fantastic! I will be using this malt a lot more in place of Weyermann's regular German Pils.
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: davidgzach on May 14, 2012, 03:37:04 PM
Jason,

Funny you should just post that.  I just kegged my Munich Helles.  It is this malt with 1/4# of CaraPils but tasted fantastic as well....

Dave
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: davidgzach on May 16, 2012, 04:22:59 PM
Just bought another sack!
Title: Re: Weyermann Floor-Malted Bo Pils Malt -- Suitable for Light German Lagers?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on June 03, 2012, 03:32:34 PM
I have read that this malt is also malted in Czech republic. Weyermann have bough a malting facility there. So this should be as authentic Czech Pilsner malt is it gets.