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Title: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: ignaciog182 on April 13, 2012, 08:40:34 AM
Hey guys!
Im going to make a batch using 100% pale malt, mb 2row american, and my idea was to use just one kind of hop, for bitternes, aroma and flavour. I will use belgian yeast (to try that mix).
 wich hop will u use?
Thanks!
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: firedog23 on April 13, 2012, 08:58:44 AM
This one could go on for a bit as it is open ended.

Me? Right now I am a fan of Amarillo or citra for something like that. You will get many opinions.
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: ccfoo242 on April 13, 2012, 01:09:35 PM
I was reading descriptions of New Zealand hop varieties last night and there may be one that will work nicely. With a Belgian yeast already giving you spice/clove phenolics then perhaps something with a lemon/lime aroma like http://www.nzhops.co.nz/varieties/motueka.html?
Title: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: ignaciog182 on April 13, 2012, 01:39:57 PM
Amarillo is not abiable in this moment at the place i usually buy.
Nice one the B saaz, ill consider it.
I was thinking of cascade, what do you think? Mb adding some extra malt than the usual por a pale ale, and also of hop, around 100 IBU
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: EHall on April 13, 2012, 02:53:03 PM
the best hop is the one YOU enjoy the most.
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: blatz on April 13, 2012, 02:59:54 PM
Simcoe. 8)
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: hoser on April 13, 2012, 03:19:47 PM
the best hop is the one YOU enjoy the most.

+1

For my tastes Nelson Sauvin is fantastic!  Can't go wrong with Simcoe, Citra, Galaxy, Columbus, Amarillo, Cascade, Centennial, Sterling, or Chinook either.  It all depends on how you use the hop.  A little bit for bittering.  A lot late for flavor and aroma, and dry hop depending on your preferences.
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: firedog23 on April 13, 2012, 04:07:56 PM
Simcoe. 8)

+1 Simcoe. It has made a really nice IPA this past week.
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: denny on April 13, 2012, 04:14:29 PM
I'd say it depends on what Belgian yeast you plan to use.  For a fruity yeast, maybe a more subdued hop.  For a more phenolic yeast, a more intense hop.
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: erockrph on April 13, 2012, 04:21:42 PM
Depends on what you're going for. If you're looking for a Belgian Pale, then noble style hops like Tettnang, Saaz, Hallertauer, Mt Hood, etc would all work fine. For a "Belgian IPA" style, then Centennial, Cascade, Amarillo would be nice.

If I had to pick just one hop alone, I'd go with Amarillo just because I find it has the citrus notes I like but with a bit more complexity than something like Cascade.

In general, I prefer to use at least 2 different types of hops for a bit more complexity. So if I were using pale malt plus a Belgian yeast, then I'd probably do a Belgian IPA with Chinook at 60, 15 minutes and maybe dry hopped and Cascade at 15, 5 and 0 minutes plus dry hopped. Of course, I love hops so if you ask me again in 10 minutes I might decide on CTZ/Willamette or Simcoe/Citra or Liberty/Centennial or Tettnang/Saaz...  ;D
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: denny on April 13, 2012, 04:24:10 PM
In general, I prefer to use at least 2 different types of hops for a bit more complexity.

I agree with you.  While SMASH beers are a great way to learn the flavor if ingredients, I have yet to taste one that I really liked as a beer instead of an experiment.  They just seem one dimensional and boring to me.
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: andyi on April 13, 2012, 07:27:27 PM

German Tett and Sterling - WY3522.  Some pils subsituted for the 2row will add some malt depth.
Just sayin ;)
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: jakeamo on April 13, 2012, 08:34:03 PM
What yeast strain? 1st choice would be a fuggle, styrian or tett. 2nd would be a goldings, EKG or challenger 3rd would be a noble Hallertau variety or american version like crystal, mt hood or vanguard. Saaz works with belgians also. I have only had 1 belgian ipa i could stomach, it was amarillo, i am just over sensitive to phenols and lots of hops. I keep my belgians below or around 30ibus. I have tried a few experiments with hoppy belgians and even a hoppy hefe (a gumballhead clone w/3068) yuck it was gross but the 5 gals with 1056 were great! Some strains are less phenolic and would be better suited for a belgian IPA. Since its just pale malt, the yeast strain and ferment temp you use are the most important thing here. I would add a pound of caravienna malt, and if you only want to use 1 hop, i would use a fuggle variety. Let us know how it turns out!
Title: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: ignaciog182 on April 14, 2012, 12:53:05 AM
Thanks a lot guys! I will make my order on monday and the beer the next weekend, ill tell you what i make at the end. And how it goes.
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: hooter on April 14, 2012, 01:46:26 AM
I love Citra for single hop beers.  It's got a very complex citrusy, tropical, fruity profile that works well all on it's own.  Of course, it really depends on personal preference as there is such a wide spectrum of hops you could use.  Also, I personally like clean fermenting yeast strains (as apposed to complex Belgian strains) for SMaSH brews to let the characteristics of the malt and hops really shine, but that's just a personal opinion. 
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: bo on April 14, 2012, 03:47:15 AM
I need to do a SMaSH again real soon. I'm always amazed at how good they are.
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 14, 2012, 12:29:03 PM
In general, I prefer to use at least 2 different types of hops for a bit more complexity.

I agree with you.  While SMASH beers are a great way to learn the flavor if ingredients, I have yet to taste one that I really liked as a beer instead of an experiment.  They just seem one dimensional and boring to me.

I have a SMaSH beer on that I really like.  Bohemian Pilsner malt and Saaz hops.   ;)
Title: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: ignaciog182 on April 14, 2012, 12:59:10 PM
Finally the SMaSH beer will be pale malt and cascade, ill add more grain than the usual for a pale ale and also ill make a hoppy beer, (80-100 IBU). ill tell in some weeks how it result.
Thanks everyone for your advice!!
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: denny on April 14, 2012, 03:39:44 PM
In general, I prefer to use at least 2 different types of hops for a bit more complexity.

I agree with you.  While SMASH beers are a great way to learn the flavor if ingredients, I have yet to taste one that I really liked as a beer instead of an experiment.  They just seem one dimensional and boring to me.

I have a SMaSH beer on that I really like.  Bohemian Pilsner malt and Saaz hops.   ;)

That might be the exception, Jeff.  When I was at Beer Camp, SN had maybe 5 different SMASH beers tap.  I tried them all and I don't think I finished a pint of any of them.
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: kmccaf on April 15, 2012, 09:59:26 PM
In general, I prefer to use at least 2 different types of hops for a bit more complexity.

I agree with you.  While SMASH beers are a great way to learn the flavor if ingredients, I have yet to taste one that I really liked as a beer instead of an experiment.  They just seem one dimensional and boring to me.

I have a SMaSH beer on that I really like.  Bohemian Pilsner malt and Saaz hops.   ;)

+1. Pils, Saaz and 3787 (Patersbier), makes one of the best beers around. I've also used all Styrian Goldings, which made a great beer. Although, I must admit that when I added .25 oz of NZ Rakau hops, it made a slightly better version, IMO.

Other than that, I made a SMaSH of Marris Otter, Styrian Goldings, and 1469 that turned out to be incredible.
Title: Re: Best hop for 100% pale malt
Post by: DaveR on April 18, 2012, 06:51:32 PM
Sorry to chime in late, but I'd go with Falconer's Flight. Granted it isn't one hop, but it's one pellet. Anytime anyone -- including myself -- is wide open and indecisive about which hop to use, Falconer's Flight is my answer. The more I use it, the more I like it. Somebody knew what they were doing when they came up with the blend.