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Title: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: EHall on April 28, 2012, 12:06:31 AM
So I'm a long time subscriber and mine expires next month. I've been thinking for a while whether or not I should renew. I do enjoy the magazine but I've grown a bit bored with it. I've noticed that every year its basically the same info rewritten usually by a new author and after this many years there's not much thats new to me. I've only come across a few articles in the last few years that I really liked. I've offered up a few ideas in the other thread and thought some of the other ideas were great but have not seen them come to fruition yet. I do use the pub discount but not all that often and being thats its only 10% its not a big deal if I lost it. I never go to AHA rallys or to the GABF. I'd like to hear some good reasons why I should renew. I'm having a hard time coming up with reasons myself. Thanks.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: gymrat on April 28, 2012, 12:24:26 AM
The only reason I am a member is to support the lobby protecting and expanding my rights.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: bo on April 28, 2012, 12:30:34 AM
I quit subscribing to BYO a few years ago for the same reason. Same ole, same ole. Zymurgy is getting to be like that. A few good tidbits every once in a while, but mostly what you've already heard or what you see in the forums everyday.

I understand your dilemma.
Title: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: lembeek on April 28, 2012, 12:46:25 AM
For me, Zymurgy is just an added benefit. The AHA looks to help protect and expand our rights as homebrewers. That's enough for me.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: brushvalleybrewer on April 28, 2012, 01:31:12 PM
I'm not subscribing to a magazine, I am being a member of an organization that supports my hobby. There are many benefits to membership. The magazine is just one of them.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: jamminbrew on April 28, 2012, 01:59:09 PM
I'm not subscribing to a magazine, I am being a member of an organization that supports my hobby. There are many benefits to membership. The magazine is just one of them.
+1000
Me too!
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: ukolowiczd on April 28, 2012, 02:12:37 PM
I was only a member for a year but I didn't see any benefits either. I like BYO right now better than zymurgy and if I want a copy can get it at my local homebrew store. I don't get any pub discounts in VT and I've never gone to an AHA rally or their competition (thought about this past year but after 2 days it was full.) Not sure what else it's for. Honestly I get most of my knowledge from this forum which I guess is paid for through AHA membership but I figure buying a Zymurgy every now and again covers it.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: bo on April 28, 2012, 02:31:03 PM
I joined partly for the magazine and partly because I thought I might want to compete. I quickly found out that competitions weren't for me. The magazine was surely a draw in my decision to join, but that is diminishing.

I am curious about those that say they are "supporting their hobby". Do you think if you and others didn't join that we'd go back to an era before 1979 when you weren't allowed to legally make your own wine and beer?
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: gymrat on April 28, 2012, 02:34:31 PM
I like BYO better than Zymurgy, I only save a dollar or two once in a while on the pub discounts, but none of that matters to me. I tend to be a proactive person. Right now in Kansas it is illegal for me to share my home brew with my friends. I can either whine about that or I can become part of the solution. My contribution to the AHA is a proactive step to getting this corrected.

This is the purpose of the AHA. I don't understand what all they need to offer people to ask for their help in protecting and expanding their rights as home brewers. Personally I would be a member if they didn't offer any "benefits" at all.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: gymrat on April 28, 2012, 02:45:20 PM
Bo in recent times home brew competitions and club meetings have been broken up because the states discovered old laws on their books. The AHA was instrumental in rectifying this in two states in the time I have been a member. What happens when someone less friendly gets into office and decides to repeal that? What happens if the government starts looking at the untaxed alcohol being produced in a growing number of homes?

A membership to the AHA is less than $4 per month. It is worth that to me to protect and expand the rights of home brewers. In the long run I may even see that money back. The more people who home brew the better the market for my ingredients and equipment. The better the market the more produced. The more produced the more economical it becomes to produce it.

I consider it a win win situation.


Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 28, 2012, 02:57:38 PM
There are enough benefits that I consider the membership fee paying for itself. All the ones mentioned above, plus the discounts on new books.

As far as BYO vs Zymurgy, it depends on the month which I like better.  The articles are often from the same pool of authors.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: tumarkin on April 28, 2012, 03:04:28 PM
I am curious about those that say they are "supporting their hobby". Do you think if you and others didn't join that we'd go back to an era before 1979 when you weren't allowed to legally make your own wine and beer?

You don't have to go "back to an era before 1979" to see how the AHA supports the hobby in regard to legalization. There are still states where it's illegal to brew your own beer & where the AHA is involved in changing that(see recent thread re Alabama"). There are still states where you can't buy commercial beer in higher abv, or can't buy/sell growlers, or other issues pertaining to our rights as homebrewers, or professional brewers, or consumers of craft beer. The AHA is part of the larger Brewers Association that also represents pro craft brewing interests as well as homebrewing interests.

It's primarily interest groups of home or pro brewers in specific states that spearhead the fight for our rights, but they are supported by the AHA & BA. Whenever an 'issue' gets attention from the media, they go to the industry association for quotes & info. You'll often see Paul Gatza, Gary Glass & other BA employees being quoted in articles about beer & brewing issues.

Zymurgy is a benefit of membership, as is Pub Discount program, AHA Rallies, the National Homebrew Competition, the National Conference, this forum, and many other benefits listed on the AHA website...
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/membership/membership-benefits

 This is all made possible because of the strength in numbers as we band together as members. Thankfully, AHA membership is currently growing - that hasn't always and may not always be the case. Help keep that trend going, and help grow the strength of the organization & our hobby by joining or renewing your membership.

The homebrewing community is incredible. I'm proud to be part of it and to be an AHA member. Besides, it's OUR organization. If you want to see additional benefits of membership, get involved & help make it happen.

{getting down off the soapbox}
Mark Tumarkin
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: dirk_mclargehuge on April 28, 2012, 03:11:36 PM
I am curious about those that say they are "supporting their hobby". Do you think if you and others didn't join that we'd go back to an era before 1979 when you weren't allowed to legally make your own wine and beer?
The AHA has been instrumental in getting homebrewing legalized in Utah, and is working on getting it legalized in Alabama. There are politicians who equate homebrew rigs with meth labs. If enough of 'em get in office, they will criminilize the hobby.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: Alewyfe on April 28, 2012, 04:46:10 PM
I personally would be a bit embarrassed to frequently use this forum and not contribute something to it's maintenance. The collective wisdom of the longtime AHA members who contribute to and moderate this forum is more than worth the price of membership.  Also, I've lived in 2 states now where the active efforts of AHA and it's members have made it possible to pursue this hobby legally.
 
    “Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted.”
    -Aldous Huxley


 

Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 28, 2012, 05:34:20 PM
I've said it before and I have no problem saying it again - the AHA is far more than just a magazine or a forum or e-mail newsletter.

While I don't think we'd necessarily regress to homebrew being illegal across the US, I like having an organization that is lobbying on behalf of something that's important to me.

Just recently the Illinois Liquor Control Commission shut down a homebrew booth at charitable function near Peoria.  If you don't think we need an organized presence looking out for our interests, I think you're wrong.

I like the pub discount program and the discount I get at the LHBS, but those are just benefits of membership, they're not the reason I joined.

Yes, Zymurgy can get repetitive and that's the reason I dropped my BYO subscription after 10 years or so, but all hobby magazines get repetitive.

I want to be able to legally load up 10 gallons of homebrew and drive up to my relatives pig roast in Wisconsin.  I can't do that right now.

I could go on, but others have said the same things.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: brewerabq on April 28, 2012, 05:36:51 PM

            Ask not what the AHA can do for you, but what you can do for the AHA!

But seriously, this is our body or organization that preserves and legitimizes our hobby of brewing.  The magazine and discounts are nice perks.  I hop you stay a member.  Pat
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: brushvalleybrewer on April 28, 2012, 10:51:16 PM
Friends… Today I am proud to be among you!  8)
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: narcout on April 28, 2012, 11:16:13 PM
My membership expired a few weeks ago.  Honestly, I was planning on letting it lapse, but this thread (and perhaps a pint of DVBIP) convinced me otherwise.  So I just renewed.  I do enjoy Zymurgy...
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: bluesman on April 29, 2012, 03:34:22 AM
My membership expired a few weeks ago.  Honestly, I was planning on letting it lapse, but this thread (and perhaps a pint of DVBIP) convinced me otherwise.  So I just renewed.  I do enjoy Zymurgy...

Two mugs up to you Franklin!  8)

AHA membership is a right...so let's exercize it.  ;)
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: bluesman on April 29, 2012, 03:35:07 AM
Friends… Today I am proud to be among you!  8)

Cheers!  :)
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: phunhog on April 29, 2012, 04:54:27 AM
I just renewed my AHA membership for the next two years.  I enjoy getting Zymurgy and I also get 5% off at my LHBS. So between those two things it pretty much pays for itself. As far as the magazine getting boring....well I think that after subscribing for a few years most "hobby" magazines do get boring. Do I really want to read another article about kegging, yeast starters, or growing hops? Probably not....unless something dramatic has occurred in the 2-3 year time span since they last had an article about those subjects.  However....there are lots of new brewers who are seeing that information for the first time.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: chezteth on April 30, 2012, 01:15:46 PM
I definitely agree with being an AHA member for the work the AHA does in changing homebrewing laws.  I live in Wisconsin and our laws have recently been changed so we will be able to legally take homebrew outside of our homes.  Zymurgy & the pub discounts are an added bonus.  Yes, the articles do get a bit monotonous after a few years but I think that can happen with any hobby mag.  My dollars also help support this awesome forum!

Cheers,
Brandon Kolbe
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: theDarkSide on April 30, 2012, 01:45:27 PM
Maybe Zymurgy needs a centerfold to spice thing up a little:

(http://drinkpongbeer.com/wp-content/uploads/wpstorecart/beerglass.jpg)

Thank you for starting this thread.  I've been so busy I realized I still haven't renewed for next year ( mine expires on June 30th ).

Zymurgy is a great magazine and a bonus for my dues.  I only have a couple places in NH that offer discounts, but luckily one is where I attend my homebrew club meetings so I get good use out of it each year. 

I am mostly a member to support the AHA, whether it be changing legislation, setting up competitions, or providing this great resource of information, the AHA Forum.

Now if I can only get them to work on getting better beer at Walt Disney World.  I spent the last week there and the best I could find was a Black and Tan in England at the World Showcase in Epcot.  ( Even the beer at Germany wasn't that great...and that is a sin ). :)
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: saintpierre on May 01, 2012, 05:45:04 PM
Maybe Zymurgy needs a centerfold to spice thing up a little:

(http://drinkpongbeer.com/wp-content/uploads/wpstorecart/beerglass.jpg)

+1  :D

I am mostly a member to support the AHA, whether it be changing legislation, setting up competitions, or providing this great resource of information, the AHA Forum.
Same for me.  Especially The Forum!  Because of this forum, I was able to snag a 1st place ribbon in my first homebrew competition for my 1st mead!

Thank you guys!
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: Pinski on May 01, 2012, 06:49:42 PM
I personally would be a bit embarrassed to frequently use this forum and not contribute something to it's maintenance. The collective wisdom of the longtime AHA members who contribute to and moderate this forum is more than worth the price of membership.  Also, I've lived in 2 states now where the active efforts of AHA and it's members have made it possible to pursue this hobby legally.
 
    “Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted.”
    -Aldous Huxley
+1000
And the 5% discount at my LHBS covers my ROI. 
It's a no brainer.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: morticaixavier on May 01, 2012, 08:04:15 PM
I personally would be a bit embarrassed to frequently use this forum and not contribute something to it's maintenance. The collective wisdom of the longtime AHA members who contribute to and moderate this forum is more than worth the price of membership.  Also, I've lived in 2 states now where the active efforts of AHA and it's members have made it possible to pursue this hobby legally.
 
    “Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted.”
    -Aldous Huxley
It's like all those people who listen to NPR and never contrib... never mind  :-\ (gotta get that membership up to date as well!)
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: Slowbrew on May 01, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
I personally would be a bit embarrassed to frequently use this forum and not contribute something to it's maintenance. The collective wisdom of the longtime AHA members who contribute to and moderate this forum is more than worth the price of membership.  Also, I've lived in 2 states now where the active efforts of AHA and it's members have made it possible to pursue this hobby legally.
 
    “Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted.”
    -Aldous Huxley
It's like all those people who listen to NPR and never contrib... never mind  :-\ (gotta get that membership up to date as well!)

I'm starting to make up for all the years I listened to NPR and didn't donate (because I was broke).  Now I make my donation and decline the thank you gifts.  I have all the coffee mugs and handbags and t-shirts I could possibly need.   8^)

Kind of the same with the AHA.  Long before I started brewing, someone was contributing funds to the AHA to get home brewing legalized and to educate brewers.  Once I started brewing and was looking for resources I paid my fees.  I've learned a ton from Zymergy and lend issues to people who want to learn but can't afford subscriptions or other extras right now.  I have never used the Pub Discount because I rarely have the chance to.

I pay my dues because I owe the AHA a big debt for the resources they provide.  The magazine and discounts are just gravy.  (Although the ball cap from GABF I got for subscribing once was my favorite hat until it disappeared one day.)

Paul
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on May 03, 2012, 03:00:01 PM
I subscribe to both Zymurgy and BYO. If I ever learn EVERYTHING there is to know about homebrewing, I'll stop subscribing and start writing all the articles.

But that probably wont ever happen.

The old stay-in-school slogan "Knowledge is Power" applies directly to homebrewing. Keep reading. Keep learning. Read on same topic over and over, then explore its depths through other channels (forums, blogs, technical journals, LHBS owners, Google, etc).

ALSO - The AHA is always looking for input. Ask them to cover things you're interested in! http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=8767.0

Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: GolfBum on May 04, 2012, 10:26:09 PM
Being new to brewing AHA is well worth the money. I learn something new every magazine and get some recipe ideas and such. Plus using my AHA card for discounts at pubs is extremly worth it, not just for the discount but for the look on the drunk peoples faces when I save money. For instance, one old drunk was arguing with me how much a growler would cost. Sundays a growler is $2 off for everyone and with the AHA card it's $2 off as well. So she kept yelling at me saying I am getting a good deal for $10 bucks. I whip out that card and BOOM $8. She went ballistic. Well worth my money to AHA.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: firedog23 on May 04, 2012, 10:34:08 PM
But in the end, why make a dramatic episode out of being a member.  Quite honestly, if you have to ask the question, then you have already made your decision. So it is either adios, or welcome back, the choice is yours.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: gsandel on May 04, 2012, 11:05:42 PM
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Now if I can only get them to work on getting better beer at Walt Disney World.  I spent the last week there and the best I could find was a Black and Tan in England at the World Showcase in Epcot.  ( Even the beer at Germany wasn't that great...and that is a sin ).

This is funny, I just read this today:

http://bites.today.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/03/11519892-where-a-dad-at-disney-gets-a-brew-an-oasis-of-craft-beer

And on topic:  I was the opposite for many years.  I resisted joining the AHA for a number of years, what an idiot I was.  I, too am finding less interest in the magazine articles over time, but I love the ads, and the people of the AHA/BA community and the organization lobbying for craft and home brewing is the real benefit.  Lastly, what other organization are you a member of where the membership tops 30,000 where you have such a voice.  Don't believe for a second that the officers, executive comittee members, and employees of the BA/AHA aren't reading this right now....they care.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: punatic on May 28, 2012, 07:37:19 AM
A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away I became a member of the AHA.  I wanted to brew good beer, and the AHA was the best (and pretty much only) source of ideas and information in that regard.  And, Charlie was coming to town to proctor a beer judge exam (AHA sponsored - pre-BJCP), so I figured I should join on principal.

Being an engineer and data analysis freak, I recently graphed my 23 year brewing schedule with a Zymurgy delivery layer superimposed on top.  There is a distinct correlation between my receiving my latest issue of Zymurgy, and my brewing schedule.

It was not necessary to perform the analysis to know that I am inspired by contact with my fellow brewers to go out to the shed and brew.  The game's the same as it ever was.  Only some of the names have changed. 
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: EHall on June 14, 2012, 10:09:39 PM
lobbying for craft and home brewing seems to be the biggest reason everyone keeps their subscriptions. With the recent surge of craft and home brewing in the last few years and all the work the AHA has done to change state laws isn't anyone concerned about the gov't taking more notice and possibly implementing taxes on homebrewing? It could happen and who's going to stop the gov't from implementing more taxes? It sure ain't gonna be the AHA... while its a noble cause and I do like seeing laws changed for the better sometimes I wonder if they're bringing to much attention to homebrewing...
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: anday6 on June 14, 2012, 10:29:51 PM
How exactly would they take homebrew? It's no different from buying ingredients and cooking. No income to tax...
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: dbeechum on June 14, 2012, 11:10:51 PM
Given that we've seen things recently like New Jersey abolishing the license that was required to legally homebrew in the state and the expansion of homebrewer's rights in others, I doubt we're looking at a situation of taxation any time soon.

Most people know that the Cranston bill legalized homebrewing on a Federal level, but what most folks don't know is that at the same time there was a competing bill that required a federal permit, ATF inspections and more. (The motivation - the ATF was worried that moonshiners would use homebrewing as legal cover)

If homebrewers managed to kill that in the late 70's with a lot less organization, I think a well organized group like ours should be able to protect us from what would be an oddly small tax to need a large infrastructure for.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: deepsouth on June 14, 2012, 11:50:38 PM
i am a member because i am a homebrewer and i think it's good to support the group that supports you.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: denny on June 15, 2012, 05:28:13 PM
The other thing to keep in mind that the BA has continually fought against increased taxation of craft beers.  If it came to homebrew, I have no doubt they would do the same.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 15, 2012, 05:52:55 PM
Being an engineer and data analysis freak, I recently graphed my 23 year brewing schedule with a Zymurgy delivery layer superimposed on top.  There is a distinct correlation between my receiving my latest issue of Zymurgy, and my brewing schedule.

May I just say, you have too much time on your hands.

Since you clearly have nothing better to do, you should come and paint my garage.  I'll supply the homebrew. 
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: euge on June 15, 2012, 06:24:46 PM
I have a similar graph except it involves running out of beer and not a magazine.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: weithman5 on June 15, 2012, 06:45:30 PM
I personally would be a bit embarrassed to frequently use this forum and not contribute something to it's maintenance. The collective wisdom of the longtime AHA members who contribute to and moderate this forum is more than worth the price of membership.  Also, I've lived in 2 states now where the active efforts of AHA and it's members have made it possible to pursue this hobby legally.
 
    “Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted.”
    -Aldous Huxley
It's like all those people who listen to NPR and never contrib... never mind  :-\ (gotta get that membership up to date as well!)
i agree to this stuff. zymurgy is fun to have and i do think a good centerfold is in order.   fwiw i don't listen to npr though.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: Slowbrew on June 15, 2012, 09:19:19 PM
I personally would be a bit embarrassed to frequently use this forum and not contribute something to it's maintenance. The collective wisdom of the longtime AHA members who contribute to and moderate this forum is more than worth the price of membership.  Also, I've lived in 2 states now where the active efforts of AHA and it's members have made it possible to pursue this hobby legally.
 
    “Most human beings have an almost infinite capacity for taking things for granted.”
    -Aldous Huxley
It's like all those people who listen to NPR and never contrib... never mind  :-\ (gotta get that membership up to date as well!)
i agree to this stuff. zymurgy is fun to have and i do think a good centerfold is in order.   fwiw i don't listen to npr though.

I subscribe for what the AHA does at the national level and the magazine doesn't hurt either. 

I am also a member of the 175MM people who listen to NPR each week and I do make a contribution for, basically, the same reasons.  The US "news" services (information entertainment?) suck big time and NPR at least seems to try to present the entire story, most of the time.

Paul
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: EHall on June 15, 2012, 11:48:50 PM
Being an engineer and data analysis freak, I recently graphed my 23 year brewing schedule with a Zymurgy delivery layer superimposed on top.  There is a distinct correlation between my receiving my latest issue of Zymurgy, and my brewing schedule.

May I just say, you have too much time on your hands.

Since you clearly have nothing better to do, you should come and paint my garage.  I'll supply the homebrew.

Yer funny Joe... I've spent the last couple days painting around my house...
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: punatic on June 17, 2012, 12:30:31 AM
Being an engineer and data analysis freak, I recently graphed my 23 year brewing schedule with a Zymurgy delivery layer superimposed on top.  There is a distinct correlation between my receiving my latest issue of Zymurgy, and my brewing schedule.

May I just say, you have too much time on your hands.

Since you clearly have nothing better to do, you should come and paint my garage.  I'll supply the homebrew.

It would be cheaper for you to ship your garage here.  My hourly rate is substantial, and I don't fly commercial anymore.
Title: Re: Why should I renew my subscription?
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 18, 2012, 02:23:53 PM
Perhaps I should just fly out for a consult.

If all goes well, the garage is completed next weekend. But that's not likely.  I need to finish so I can get back to brewing.  I have empty kegs that need to be filled!!!