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Title: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: morticaixavier on June 13, 2012, 02:21:27 AM
It's my new ride. It's sooo cute.

(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5080/7182128637_83b6c64fcc.jpg)

Grrr

2012 VW Golf TDI clean diesel.

Unfortunately I have not been able to take it for a ride as I am on baby duty and I did not have the car seat! My wife gets home at 10 and I will take it for a spin.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: denny on June 13, 2012, 02:25:24 AM
Congrats, Dad!
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: weithman5 on June 13, 2012, 02:31:23 AM
your wife got you those hop plants?  way cool, the damn car is blocking part of the picture though.  have fun
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: bluesman on June 13, 2012, 02:31:45 AM
Sweet!  :)

I have an '06 Jetta TDI...you'll love the Golf!
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: morticaixavier on June 13, 2012, 03:02:50 AM
your wife got you those hop plants?  way cool, the damn car is blocking part of the picture though.  have fun

Ha! yeah those are my first year cascades. they are doing alright!

Sweet!  :)

I have an '06 Jetta TDI...you'll love the Golf!

Yeah I love the TDIs. I just sold my 2003 Jetta TDI. Posted on craigslist and had like 6 people all trying to make sure THEY got the car within an hour. popular cars! I ended up selling it for like 400 over book sight unseen.

My wife drives the 2010 Jetta TDI sportswagon. We are a VW family.
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Post by: 1vertical on June 13, 2012, 05:19:53 AM
I don't play golf...why would I want a golf cart?
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: euge on June 13, 2012, 05:28:03 AM
I knew there was something I liked about you Jonathan. My first vehicle was a GTI (graduation present) and my daily driver is an 07 Rabbit. I am firmly in the VW camp.

Fantastic gift. Now with the fuel savings you can finally get that Thermapen. ;D
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: 1vertical on June 13, 2012, 05:41:05 AM
It's my new ride. It's sooo cute.

What happens if someone smax n2 ya?
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: morticaixavier on June 13, 2012, 05:50:06 AM
It's my new ride. It's sooo cute.

What happens if someone smax n2 ya?

that's what insurance is for. also it has like thirty seven airbags. some of the safest cars on the road
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: phillamb168 on June 13, 2012, 07:53:50 AM
It's my new ride. It's sooo cute.

What happens if someone smax n2 ya?

What happens when gas prices go up to $10/gallon? I don't think he'll have to worry about someone smacking it to him then ;-)
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: mmitchem on June 13, 2012, 12:40:08 PM
My parents have a diesel Jetta. That thing ROCKS! It climbs mountains like a champ, great on gas, looks awesome. Congrats on the new ride man! That beauty will serve you well :)
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: majorvices on June 13, 2012, 01:08:39 PM
What kind of mileage does it get?
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on June 13, 2012, 01:38:26 PM
Are you thinking of making your own diesel?

I've never done it - but I've read/been told German diesels (VW, BMW, Benz) are all great candidates for conversion.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: Mark G on June 13, 2012, 02:44:24 PM
Well happy fathers day! Nice ride. I'm seriously considering diesel for my next car.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 13, 2012, 05:50:45 PM
What kind of mileage does it get?

Your mileage may vary.  Had to say that.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform&path=1&year1=2012&year2=2012&make=Volkswagen&model=Golf&srchtyp=ymm

Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: euge on June 13, 2012, 06:17:26 PM
In the mid-90's a coworker drove his diesel Jetta from Austin to Toronto and back on two tanks of fuel. F'ing amazing.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: morticaixavier on June 13, 2012, 07:46:20 PM
What kind of mileage does it get?
I got 48 mpg on the way to work this morning. My old 2003 averaged 49 so it might actually be a bit of a drop due to MORE POWER!!!! plus it's a new car so I have been a little agressive with the accel. trying to back that instinct off as it's still in breakin period.

Are you thinking of making your own diesel?

I've never done it - but I've read/been told German diesels (VW, BMW, Benz) are all great candidates for conversion.
I have thought about making my own diesel but I don't see it happening anytime super soon. If you manufactur actuall diesel there isn't really any conversion to be done. I used to use B100 when I lived in berkeley cause i could get it there. in Davis, not so much  :-\

My parents have a diesel Jetta. That thing ROCKS! It climbs mountains like a champ, great on gas, looks awesome. Congrats on the new ride man! That beauty will serve you well :)

This is my third TDI, I can't really see going back to gas. 700+ mile range is pretty sweet. and the torque is awesome.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: phillamb168 on June 14, 2012, 12:10:52 PM
Apparently they're talking about making it illegal to bring diesels inside Paris. (due to things like this, most likely: http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=760863&vId= )

HOWEVER this wouldn't apply to newer cars like yours - only the old old old jalopy diesels a lot of people are still driving that don't have particle filters.
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Post by: pinnah on June 14, 2012, 12:36:51 PM
only the old old old jalopy diesels a lot of people are still driving that don't have particle filters.

I kid you not, I was behind a Dodge 2500 pickup yesterday at a light that had a huge CUMMINS sticker on the back
and when the light turned green, the sky turned black.

Also have the twin vertical exhaust stack trucks, semi truck style.  At least they spew upward.

In the intermountain west here, it is still "cool" to blow black smoke.


Pretty nice present Morticai, wow.  New cars are spendy.
I am still looking for a old VW diesel pickup that has round headlights.

Cheers to the new diesel engines,
too bad we cannot get them all here in the States. ::)
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: kramerog on June 14, 2012, 02:21:46 PM
When diesel is taxed like gas or diesel produced by algae becomes available, I'll buy a diesel.  In the meantime, I just don't drive enough miles to justify the extra cost of a diesel car.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: pinnah on June 15, 2012, 03:37:05 AM
What happens if someone smax n2 ya?

I take it the size is your aversion.  How about the diesel?  You know you want one of these (http://www.boxerdiesel.com/forester/en/index.html).

you could give it a lift kit.  Hells yes.  Even middleeasternwhyoming would rock with that. ;)
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: tschmidlin on June 15, 2012, 07:48:02 AM
What kind of mileage does it get?
My '99 TDI Jetta got better than 50 MPG on long trips.  Fantastic.  Until a NYE reveler totaled it when it was parked.

I've never done it - but I've read/been told German diesels (VW, BMW, Benz) are all great candidates for conversion.
In general there is no conversion necessary - open the tank and add the biodiesel.  Bob's your uncle.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: punatic on June 15, 2012, 08:32:36 AM
Are there pedals for the passengers too, or do you have to push for everybody?

Growing oil palms here.  Started growing them for biodiesel, but get three times as much for cooking oil instead. 

I'll stick with my Tacoma that burns recycled sunshine, thank you very much.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: punatic on June 15, 2012, 08:43:53 AM

Pretty nice present Morticai, wow.  New cars are spendy.
I am still looking for a old VW diesel pickup that has round headlights.


Good luck widdat.  Thank you cash for clunkers.

"Spendy?"    :o
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: morticaixavier on June 15, 2012, 02:45:09 PM
Are there pedals for the passengers too, or do you have to push for everybody?

Growing oil palms here.  Started growing them for biodiesel, but get three times as much for cooking oil instead. 

I'll stick with my Tacoma that burns recycled sunshine, thank you very much.

no reason to choose carl! use it for cooking and then, when it's been fried in as much as you can stand, convert it to biodiesel. or, given your never freeze climate, convert an old merc to run SVO and just filter it from your fryer directly to your tank!
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: bluesman on June 15, 2012, 03:24:06 PM
Anyone want a grease car.  :D

http://www.greasecar.com/
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: punatic on June 15, 2012, 04:45:53 PM
Are there pedals for the passengers too, or do you have to push for everybody?

Growing oil palms here.  Started growing them for biodiesel, but get three times as much for cooking oil instead. 

I'll stick with my Tacoma that burns recycled sunshine, thank you very much.

no reason to choose carl! use it for cooking and then, when it's been fried in as much as you can stand, convert it to biodiesel. or, given your never freeze climate, convert an old merc to run SVO and just filter it from your fryer directly to your tank!

30 acres at 450 gallons per acre per year is a LOT of deep frying!  I'm talking a 3X price multiplier for cooking oil sales vs. biodiesel sales.


There's enough year round sunshine here to push my Tacoma for me.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: morticaixavier on June 15, 2012, 05:07:16 PM
Are there pedals for the passengers too, or do you have to push for everybody?

Growing oil palms here.  Started growing them for biodiesel, but get three times as much for cooking oil instead. 

I'll stick with my Tacoma that burns recycled sunshine, thank you very much.

no reason to choose carl! use it for cooking and then, when it's been fried in as much as you can stand, convert it to biodiesel. or, given your never freeze climate, convert an old merc to run SVO and just filter it from your fryer directly to your tank!

30 acres at 450 gallons per acre per year is a LOT of deep frying!  I'm talking a 3X price multiplier for cooking oil sales vs. biodiesel sales.


There's enough year round sunshine here to push my Tacoma for me.

wait, your tacoma is solar? that's awesome! by the by, vegetable oil is recycled sunshine as well. Just doing the recycling via the plant.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: punatic on June 15, 2012, 09:59:43 PM
Lead/acid recharged with PV.  A sunny day's charge is good for 65 - 70 miles. 
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: morticaixavier on June 16, 2012, 03:58:44 AM
Lead/acid recharged with PV.  A sunny day's charge is good for 65 - 70 miles.

as I said, awesome.
Title: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: phillamb168 on June 17, 2012, 07:29:06 PM
Lead/acid recharged with PV.  A sunny day's charge is good for 65 - 70 miles.

Did you do the conversion yourself? Relevant to my interests.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: punatic on June 18, 2012, 10:07:30 PM
Lead/acid recharged with PV.  A sunny day's charge is good for 65 - 70 miles.

Did you do the conversion yourself? Relevant to my interests.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

Yes, a more mechanically talented friend of mine and I converted it.



Set from BSA Camp Honokaia via brainwaves...
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: euge on November 13, 2012, 05:17:03 AM
I may be getting a job that requires a 30 mile commute each way on a fast section of I-35. Despite my love of my zippy Rabbit I have to admit that for such a tiny car the mileage is abysmal. It gets in the range of 24 mpg or less on the hwy. This also means I get less than 400 miles to a tank of gas and I'm usually looking for a station when it rolls past 300! Love driving it but get real nervous on long trips.

I've long been a supporter of electric and hybrids; for in-town short distance they totally make sense. However in my situation the high cost vs their own particular mileage, poor range (less than 400 miles) does not make sense.

Looking into a 2013 Golf TDI; I'm very impressed and they're cheaper too. Stated range is at least 700 miles and some report in the 1400 mile range to a tank. I'm going to be doing some distance driving in the coming years to visit family. The Golf doesn't have a bunch of fancy electronics apparently but I'm fine with that.

On the other side the Rabbit was paid off 4 years ago. It only has 40k miles on but I just don't think the cost can be recouped with a trade in.

So am I better off just paying for the extra gas that'll be used and tolerate the more frequent fill ups?
Or would the diesel be a better move in the long run despite the capital outlay?
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: 1vertical on November 13, 2012, 06:10:04 AM
despite the capital outlay?

I am of the mindset that believes there needs to be a HUGE correction in this market.... 
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: morticaixavier on November 13, 2012, 07:43:35 AM
I think that 1400 per tank is pushing it but maybe if you did all 1400 without slowing down. my 2012 golf could easily go 700 but I start to get nervous around 650 when it tells me I have only a 0 mile range left. I have a 35 mile one way commute, all freeway and on a good day, when traffic and the wind is with me I can roll into my driveway with the computer reading 62 or 63 mpg. I average ~50.

so, ~50 bucks to fill up (13.5 gallon tank) maybe a bit less in your neck of the woods. set this next to your ~24 mpg you will fill up half as quick. interest rates are low right now so you won't pay a lot more than sticker over the life of the loan, but you will pay ~26k for the car, maybe get it for 24 if you dicker hard. it'll take about 1000 fill ups to pay for itself. at 26 fill ups a year... well I say go for it cause they are really fun to drive!
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: punatic on November 13, 2012, 08:30:50 AM
A car that's paid for vs $25,000.00 in debt?  Really?   :o
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: euge on November 13, 2012, 09:29:35 AM
They are fun to drive. The "Rabbit" lives up its name and is a real sleeper.

I calculate conservatively fuel for the Rabbit will cost me $2K in the following 12 months time. Damn I should have gone with the TDI originally in 2006 but diesel was significantly more expensive than gasoline then and the TDI wasn't available at the time. :(

I'm not sure why my 150hp Rabbit has significantly worse economy than the current 170hp Golf except they nearly have the same torques (170 to 177 ft-lb). Different transmission ratios?
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: phillamb168 on November 13, 2012, 01:02:15 PM
Do they have the Polo 1.2 TDI BVM 5 BlueMotion 89g where you are? 3.4 l/ 100 km = about 70 mpg on diesel. Petrol/gas engines are physically incapable of getting that sort of mileage. Imagine a Prius with a diesel engine... That's something I'd buy.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: weithman5 on November 13, 2012, 02:34:54 PM
They are fun to drive. The "Rabbit" lives up its name and is a real sleeper.

I calculate conservatively fuel for the Rabbit will cost me $2K in the following 12 months time. Damn I should have gone with the TDI originally in 2006 but diesel was significantly more expensive than gasoline then and the TDI wasn't available at the time. :(

I'm not sure why my 150hp Rabbit has significantly worse economy than the current 170hp Golf except they nearly have the same torques (170 to 177 ft-lb). Different transmission ratios?
check your tire pressure ;D

i have a silverado 4d hd 2500. it gets about 8 mpg in town.  i bought a buell blast 500 cc motorcycle for 2000 bucks.  it gets about 60mpg. at 4 bucks a gallon (chicago after all) the truck costs .5$ per mile compared to the buell at .07 per mile or a savings of .43 dollars/mile.  i nearly need to drive 4500 miles to recoup the cost of the buell.  so if i were you i would beat the s*** out of the rabbit if the main concern is cost.  For me it wasn't about that,  the bulk of my life is in a 3.5 mile equilateral triangle. and i love riding my bike when i can.  literally YMMV
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Post by: weithman5 on November 13, 2012, 02:37:52 PM
if you dicker hard.
8)
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: Joe Sr. on November 13, 2012, 03:25:48 PM
A car that's paid for vs $25,000.00 in debt?  Really?   :o

But look at the savings at the pump, Carl!!!

I say forget the diesel and mpg and put a tune on that Rabbit.  You can juice those things for some serious HP.  You could go nuts and make it a Thunder Bunny.

You only live once, ya know.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: euge on November 13, 2012, 03:33:06 PM
I have a Katana 750F in the garage that gets 35+ mpg. It's probably safer on the hwy than on surface streets. Not relishing riding it in "weather" though. When I bought it used in 2005 was also looking at the used "Blasts" but my avg weight is 225. Might have been good for blitting around town but no bueno for me on the hwy!

if you dicker hard.
8)

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Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: euge on November 13, 2012, 03:39:25 PM
A car that's paid for vs $25,000.00 in debt?  Really?   :o

But look at the savings at the pump, Carl!!!

I say forget the diesel and mpg and put a tune on that Rabbit.  You can juice those things for some serious HP.  You could go nuts and make it a Thunder Bunny.

You only live once, ya know.

I was also laying awake last night thinking about this. Maybe at least put a chip in for either economy or even more get up and go. If the remote unlikelihood the motor ever needs replacing a 3.5L fits in the engine compartment! Hehe might have to look into a tune. Get the TDI and fix up the Rabbit! Of course we're not talking about saving anything at that point. Just fun!
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: Joe Sr. on November 13, 2012, 03:42:08 PM
I was also laying awake last night thinking about this. Maybe at least put a chip in for either economy or even more get up and go. If the remote unlikelihood the motor ever needs replacing a 3.5L fits in the engine compartment! Hehe might have to look into a tune. Get the TDI and fix up the Rabbit! Of course we're not talking about saving anything at that point. Just fun!

I spent a couple months looking at mods for my GTI after I bought it.  3-inch DP, bigger turbo, blah blah blah.

It's fun to think about.

By the time I started bolting on performance parts to my Saab it was really time to let it go.  On the plus side, I sold all the parts for pretty much what I paid for them.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: euge on November 13, 2012, 05:05:05 PM
Do they have the Polo 1.2 TDI BVM 5 BlueMotion 89g where you are? 3.4 l/ 100 km = about 70 mpg on diesel. Petrol/gas engines are physically incapable of getting that sort of mileage. Imagine a Prius with a diesel engine... That's something I'd buy.

As far as I know one cannot get Bluemotion VW's in the US. Not sure if they do exist Prius-wise but a diesel-hybrid car makes total sense- so no wonder one hasn't been offered in the States! This is how trains have been powered for decades. Off the top of my head they get the car equivalent of a 1000 mpg- not literally but in terms if a car was as efficient as a diesel-electric train.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: morticaixavier on November 13, 2012, 05:39:45 PM
A car that's paid for vs $25,000.00 in debt?  Really?   :o

I did say that he should do it for fun. the numbers don't work out unless you assume huge repair costs to the rabbit in the next 3-6 years which with only 40k is unlikely.

Performance wise the olg TDI is a rocketship. I can squeal the tires in second and just a bit in third going around corners. not that I do that very often. I'm the guy tooting along at 55 in the right lane by the way. but my mpg is higher than my mph
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: punatic on November 13, 2012, 07:29:01 PM
As far as I know one cannot get Bluemotion VW's in the US. Not sure if they do exist Prius-wise but a diesel-hybrid car makes total sense- so no wonder one hasn't been offered in the States! This is how trains have been powered for decades. Off the top of my head they get the car equivalent of a 1000 mpg- not literally but in terms if a car was as efficient as a diesel-electric train.

Diesel electric train engines have their own diesel fired generators that generate electricity which is supply to the electric motor powered drive wheels of the train engine.

Hybrid cars' electric motors are powered by batteries.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: euge on November 13, 2012, 07:39:36 PM
As far as I know one cannot get Bluemotion VW's in the US. Not sure if they do exist Prius-wise but a diesel-hybrid car makes total sense- so no wonder one hasn't been offered in the States! This is how trains have been powered for decades. Off the top of my head they get the car equivalent of a 1000 mpg- not literally but in terms if a car was as efficient as a diesel-electric train.

Diesel electric train engines have their own diesel fired generators that generate electricity which is supply to the electric motor powered drive wheels of the train engine.

Hybrid cars' electric motors are powered by batteries.

This is true but the Chevy Volt's engine directly powers the electric motor when the battery's range has been exceeded. http://gm-volt.com/chevy-volt-faqs/ (http://gm-volt.com/chevy-volt-faqs/) I was wrong about this not being available in the US.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: morticaixavier on November 13, 2012, 07:41:04 PM
As far as I know one cannot get Bluemotion VW's in the US. Not sure if they do exist Prius-wise but a diesel-hybrid car makes total sense- so no wonder one hasn't been offered in the States! This is how trains have been powered for decades. Off the top of my head they get the car equivalent of a 1000 mpg- not literally but in terms if a car was as efficient as a diesel-electric train.

Diesel electric train engines have their own diesel fired generators that generate electricity which is supply to the electric motor powered drive wheels of the train engine.

Hybrid cars' electric motors are powered by batteries.

This is true but the Chevy Volt's engine directly powers the electric motor when the battery's range has been exceeded. http://gm-volt.com/chevy-volt-faqs/ (http://gm-volt.com/chevy-volt-faqs/) I was wrong about this not being available in the US.

although that's not diesel. I think both BMW and Mercedes have a hybrid diesel but probably only in europe
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: weithman5 on November 13, 2012, 07:41:41 PM
a submarine can use a diesel or a battery when the nuke shuts down.  (the diesel powers the electric motor)
i have not found one in a car yet but i be a hoping 8)
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: punatic on November 13, 2012, 08:10:03 PM
Diesel Boats Forever!   8)
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: euge on November 13, 2012, 08:13:07 PM
The diesel hybrid cars do exist- just outside the States. I'm not sure why we can't/don't have them here but suspect it's politically influenced. :-[

Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: punatic on November 13, 2012, 08:22:27 PM
The diesel hybrid cars do exist- just outside the States. I'm not sure why we can't/don't have them here but suspect it's politically influenced. :-[

Uh huh...  A diesel "Truther"!   ;D
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: kramerog on November 13, 2012, 08:33:55 PM
The diesel hybrid cars do exist- just outside the States. I'm not sure why we can't/don't have them here but suspect it's politically influenced. :-[

It is politically influenced.  Diesel in the US is more expensive than gas due to higher taxes on diesel.  In Europe, IIRC, diesel is cheaper than gas.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: phillamb168 on November 13, 2012, 08:45:23 PM
Diesel Boats Forever!   8)

Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNaQS3vDQc4
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: morticaixavier on November 13, 2012, 09:15:08 PM
The diesel hybrid cars do exist- just outside the States. I'm not sure why we can't/don't have them here but suspect it's politically influenced. :-[

It is politically influenced.  Diesel in the US is more expensive than gas due to higher taxes on diesel.  In Europe, IIRC, diesel is cheaper than gas.

ahh but only in a per gallon sense. in a per mile sense diesel is cheaper.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: hopfenundmalz on November 13, 2012, 09:24:57 PM
The diesel hybrid cars do exist- just outside the States. I'm not sure why we can't/don't have them here but suspect it's politically influenced. :-[

It is politically influenced.  Diesel in the US is more expensive than gas due to higher taxes on diesel.  In Europe, IIRC, diesel is cheaper than gas.

ahh but only in a per gallon sense. in a per mile sense diesel is cheaper.

Diesel in the US is more per gallon due to tax structure vs Europe where it is discounted to encourage less oil imports. The price point for fuel in the USA combined with the higher purchase price of the Diesel engine option makes it a very long payback, if at all.

One other reason for fewer Diesels in cars in the USA is the differing emissions standards.

Locomotives - GE was working on one with batteries that would store the energy from dynamic braking, just like a hybrid. Lot of batteries, IIRC the next unit on the power end was all batteries. Don't know if it made production.

Yes, the Volt's gas engine does spin a generator which powers the traction motor.


Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: punatic on November 14, 2012, 01:50:37 AM
Diesel Boats Forever!   8)

Like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNaQS3vDQc4



No, like this:

(http://www.ussdogfish.com/image/DBF_Pin.jpg)
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: phillamb168 on November 14, 2012, 10:57:25 AM
AFAIK there is only one diesel hybrid engine currently on the market, used by Citroen and Peugeot for their DS5 Hybrid4 and 5008 Hybrid4, respectively. The batteries and cars are pretty heavy so you don't get too much of a mileage savings, 34mpg mixed. French motor companies haven't been competitive for a while now, so no surprises there. The review: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/05/review-citroen-ds5-hybrid-4/

Volkswagen has a "Cross Coupe" that will supposedly get 157 MPG, but if that thing actually gets to market in the next two-three years, I will eat my hat.
Title: Re: screw the thermapen, Here's my fathers day present!
Post by: weithman5 on November 14, 2012, 06:15:43 PM
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8349/8185718316_5c3659ec13.jpg)


I think jaguar was working on a gas turbine electric generator for electric motor driven car but don't know how that is going