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Title: Imperial Pilsner - advice/suggestions?
Post by: erockrph on June 25, 2012, 02:41:26 AM
Does anyone have any suggestions on how to approach an "Imperial" Pilsner? I'm thinking something like an amped-up, hoppy BoPils style. My initial idea is OG in the 1.070-1.075 range and about 50 IBU's. Here are a couple of questions that came to mind:

For those of you who use Munich in your Pilsners (as opposed to 100% Pilsner malt), would you keep the same percentage of Munich in a scaled-up version, the same by weight, or use less overall since the total malt bill is bigger and you might not need as much of that grainy character from the Munich?

Would you consider drying it out with some simple sugars (like you would with an IIPA), or is it OK to end up with a higher FG?

My inital stab at a recipe would be 85% Pils malt (or DME), 10% Munich, 5% Sucrose. 30 IBU's at 90 minutes, 20 IBU's at 15 minutes, a solid flameout addition, and about 2 oz of dry hops. Thinking of using a combo of Ultra and Motueka for the hops.
Title: Imperial Pilsner - advice/suggestions?
Post by: andrew000141 on June 25, 2012, 03:11:54 AM
There was a similar topic awhile ago in allgrain, but yes you would scale the Munich. As for sugars I would add a bit for dryness 75og to 50 ibus is a little malty for a pils isn't it?(I don't really brew many pilsners and when I do it's someone else's recipe)
Title: Re: Imperial Pilsner - advice/suggestions?
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on June 25, 2012, 12:51:31 PM
I wouldn't use plain table sugar b/c unlike a IIPA you don't have the hops to hide the cidery "twang" (think malt liquor). You could try flaked corn, rice syrup/solids, etc. You could also use some 6-row malt for additional diastatic power. Mash low.

DME will probably give you too much unfermentable sugars for the dryness you're looking for in an imperial pils.

Dryhop with something noble. I love that character in big pilsners!

"Designing Great Beers" gives a BU:GU ratio of 0.75-0.85, so bumping up that IBU to 60 or so will get you in that range for a 1.075 OG. Soft water and noble hops will give clean and soft bitterness, so don't be shy with the bittering hops - my favorite part of a pils is that snap.

Title: Re: Imperial Pilsner - advice/suggestions?
Post by: Hokerer on June 25, 2012, 07:58:04 PM
I wouldn't use plain table sugar b/c unlike a IIPA you don't have the hops to hide the cidery "twang" (think malt liquor). You could try flaked corn, rice syrup/solids, etc.

He's only talking about 5% sucrose, very seriously doubt that's gonna yield and cideriness.
Title: Re: Imperial Pilsner - advice/suggestions?
Post by: morticaixavier on June 25, 2012, 08:18:47 PM
I have only had 1 imerial pilsner, My Antonia from DFH. It was lovely. for sure maltier, sweeter, and richer than a 'normal' pilsner. Don't know if they use any sugar or just go for a really low mash temp to maximize fermentability. It's not cloying but its not what I would call light and refreshing either. very hoppy as well.
Title: Re: Imperial Pilsner - advice/suggestions?
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on June 26, 2012, 02:22:42 PM
I have only had 1 imerial pilsner, My Antonia from DFH. It was lovely. for sure maltier, sweeter, and richer than a 'normal' pilsner. Don't know if they use any sugar or just go for a really low mash temp to maximize fermentability. It's not cloying but its not what I would call light and refreshing either. very hoppy as well.

I almost mentioned this as an example, but didn't since he mentioned the more traditional BoPils style.

Its one of my favorites from DFH (which is saying a lot). It showcases noble hops better than any other beer I'm familiar with.
Title: Re: Imperial Pilsner - advice/suggestions?
Post by: onthekeg on June 26, 2012, 04:09:10 PM
I would use sterling for this beer IMHO.