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Title: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: gmac on July 20, 2012, 03:26:12 AM
I'm thinking of doing a 100% wheat malt beer (plus rice hulls).  Not sure why, just think it would be something to try.  I'm sure others have done this so what do you think.  Is it worth considering?  Just re-read Brewing with Wheat and it's got me thinking of upping my wheat proportion in my American Wheat beers in general (50/50 right now) but I'm wondering what all wheat would be like. 
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: 1vertical on July 20, 2012, 05:02:10 AM
I say go for it try a 2.5 gallon batch and see if you like it.  I am currently
enjoying Low Gap a whiskey made from 100% wheat malt and man it is unaged
and delicious.   Next round of low gap is going to be a different grain according
to the website. I can't wait for the rye.
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 20, 2012, 11:23:36 AM
The Graetzer I made was 100% wheat malt beer.  Did a long protein rest - an hour -  at 122F, then an hour at 150F. 10% rice hulls resulted in no lautering problems.

Wheat will give the beer some extra body, a white bread taste, and will clear up with time after the protein rest. 

I recommend trying a 100% wheat beer. If nothing else you can say you did it.
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: samuel.workman on July 20, 2012, 01:10:07 PM
Long time reader/lurker, and first time poster.

Thought I'd chime in and say that I have tried 100% wheat, and its one of my best drinkers. I used 100% red wheat, and Kellerweiss that I cultured from the bottle. I do BIAB so I didn't need the rice hulls. The taste is a little different than with a portion of barley (at least in mine) in the sense that the beer is much richer. I'm not sure why, but process wise I seem to get slightly less (from normal 75% down to 70%) efficiency with this brew. But, I don't know if that is common with large wheat bills or just my own quirk. I really love the rich taste of the beer though. Definitely try it if you like.
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: Pi on July 23, 2012, 07:57:56 PM
Thought I'd chime in and say that I have tried 100% wheat, and its one of my best drinkers. I used 100% red wheat, and Kellerweiss that I cultured from the bottle. I do BIAB so I didn't need the rice hulls. The taste is a little different than with a portion of barley (at least in mine) in the sense that the beer is much richer. I'm not sure why, but process wise I seem to get slightly less (from normal 75% down to 70%) efficiency with this brew. But, I don't know if that is common with large wheat bills or just my own quirk. I really love the rich taste of the beer though. Definitely try it if you like.
I thought there was not enough enzymes in wheat to get conversion. which is why you add some barley, a handful of 6-row even, not so much for flavor but for diastatic power. did it attenuate well? What was your OG-FG/ABV?
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: morticaixavier on July 23, 2012, 08:16:00 PM
Thought I'd chime in and say that I have tried 100% wheat, and its one of my best drinkers. I used 100% red wheat, and Kellerweiss that I cultured from the bottle. I do BIAB so I didn't need the rice hulls. The taste is a little different than with a portion of barley (at least in mine) in the sense that the beer is much richer. I'm not sure why, but process wise I seem to get slightly less (from normal 75% down to 70%) efficiency with this brew. But, I don't know if that is common with large wheat bills or just my own quirk. I really love the rich taste of the beer though. Definitely try it if you like.
I thought there was not enough enzymes in wheat to get conversion. which is why you add some barley, a handful of 6-row even, not so much for flavor but for diastatic power. did it attenuate well? What was your OG-FG/ABV?

This may have been the case at some point but the wheat malt you get today has plenty of enzymes.
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: gordonstrong on July 23, 2012, 08:20:41 PM
According to Briess' web site, their wheat malt (white or red) has a DP of 160-180.  You can get full conversion with a DP of around 40 (typical of Munich malts).  So wheat malt can definitely self-convert, and it can also take care of some of those unmalted grains as well.
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: Pi on July 23, 2012, 08:32:11 PM
The more I learn, the dumber I feel. Thanks you guys!
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: samuel.workman on July 23, 2012, 08:39:49 PM
Wheat definitely has enough to convert and then some as Gordon points out.

Checking my notes--it was 1.040 O.G. or about 10 P. I made this as a session beer, mashed at 150 F. Kellerweiss took it down to 1.008 or 2.1 P in about 10 days.
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 23, 2012, 08:45:41 PM
Weyerman wheat is a little less, but still has plenty of enzymes. It is 250WK, and that equals 76 Lintner, more than enough. My Graetzer used Weyermann wheat that I smoked, it converted and fermented out just fine.
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: samuel.workman on July 23, 2012, 08:48:29 PM
Weyerman wheat is a little less, but still has plenty of enzymes. It is 250WK, and that equals 76 Lintner, more than enough. My Graetzer used Weyermann wheat that I smoked, it converted and fermented out just fine.

Spot on...Weyermann is what I use as well.
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: gmac on July 23, 2012, 09:02:57 PM
I'll be using OIO Canadian Wheat malt but after today's P.I.T.A. lauter, I'm not sure.
Did a "blond" for an event with 14 lbs 2-row, 2 lbs wheat and 2 lbs corn (10 gal batch) and it stuck badly for some reason.  Part of the problem is likely that I've got my mill set too tight but I really like the high efficiency I'm getting with a fine grind.  I think the flaked corn also really compounded problem but the event is at a corn seed company so it sort of had to be in there.

Jeff did you need rice hulls and if so, how much for your gratzer?
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 23, 2012, 09:37:37 PM
I'll be using OIO Canadian Wheat malt but after today's P.I.T.A. lauter, I'm not sure.
Did a "blond" for an event with 14 lbs 2-row, 2 lbs wheat and 2 lbs corn (10 gal batch) and it stuck badly for some reason.  Part of the problem is likely that I've got my mill set too tight but I really like the high efficiency I'm getting with a fine grind.  I think the flaked corn also really compounded problem but the event is at a corn seed company so it sort of had to be in there.

Jeff did you need rice hulls and if so, how much for your gratzer?

Added 10% of the wheat malt total. 20 Lbs wheat, added 2 lbs rice hulls for a 10 gallon batch. Did the long protein rest at 122F, no problem with lautering.
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: kmccaf on July 23, 2012, 09:46:46 PM
I'll be using OIO Canadian Wheat malt but after today's P.I.T.A. lauter, I'm not sure.
Did a "blond" for an event with 14 lbs 2-row, 2 lbs wheat and 2 lbs corn (10 gal batch) and it stuck badly for some reason.  Part of the problem is likely that I've got my mill set too tight but I really like the high efficiency I'm getting with a fine grind.  I think the flaked corn also really compounded problem but the event is at a corn seed company so it sort of had to be in there.

Jeff did you need rice hulls and if so, how much for your gratzer?

Added 10% of the wheat malt total. 20 Lbs wheat, added 2 lbs rice hulls for a 10 gallon batch. Did the long protein rest at 122F, no problem with lautering.

I used my very scientific method of a couple of big handfuls for my 3-gallon batch of Gratzer. I had no problems with the lautering. Also, my Gratzer has been been really hitting the spot in this hot weather.
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: gmac on July 23, 2012, 09:50:25 PM
I'll be using OIO Canadian Wheat malt but after today's P.I.T.A. lauter, I'm not sure.
Did a "blond" for an event with 14 lbs 2-row, 2 lbs wheat and 2 lbs corn (10 gal batch) and it stuck badly for some reason.  Part of the problem is likely that I've got my mill set too tight but I really like the high efficiency I'm getting with a fine grind.  I think the flaked corn also really compounded problem but the event is at a corn seed company so it sort of had to be in there.

Jeff did you need rice hulls and if so, how much for your gratzer?

Added 10% of the wheat malt total. 20 Lbs wheat, added 2 lbs rice hulls for a 10 gallon batch. Did the long protein rest at 122F, no problem with lautering.

I used my very scientific method of a couple of big handfuls for my 3-gallon batch of Gratzer. I had no problems with the lautering. Also, my Gratzer has been been really hitting the spot in this hot weather.

How big are your hands?
Title: Re: 100% Wheat Malt
Post by: nateo on July 23, 2012, 10:29:32 PM
I'm pretty OCD when it comes to my grist. If you condition wheat malt really well and crush it 3 times, you can keep the "exterior" of the wheat kernels mostly intact while pulverizing the insides. I do this whenever I use a large amount of wheat and haven't noticed any difference in run-off between those and my all-barley mashes.