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Title: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Nick on August 21, 2012, 11:23:20 PM
A number of people have petitioned the White House to release their recipe for Obama's Honey Ale.  Politics aside, if that's something up your alley the link is below:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/release-recipe-honey-ale-home-brewed-white-house/XkpkYwc0
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: ccfoo242 on August 22, 2012, 12:26:18 AM
Signed.
Title: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: eaholljr on August 22, 2012, 02:03:41 AM
I signed it too...
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: samuel.workman on August 22, 2012, 03:19:02 AM
Signed.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on August 22, 2012, 03:27:31 AM
in..
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Kaiser on August 22, 2012, 03:42:51 AM
Get the word out. I think it's less about the recipe as it is an opportunity to show that we brewers have a strong voice.

I'm not sure if I can sign. I'm not a citizen, but I created an account. Let's see how far I get until I see a note that only citizens can sign.

Kai
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: csu007 on August 22, 2012, 04:38:28 AM
signed
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: upperbocobrewers on August 22, 2012, 08:01:02 AM
Seems like the right thing to do. Brew the president's beer! Will have to come up w a cool name. El Presidente is already taken.
Title: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: majorvices on August 22, 2012, 11:57:30 AM
made the headlines!

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2012/08/21/159559355/home-brew-petitioners-to-potus-release-the-beer-recipe
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on August 22, 2012, 12:50:53 PM
Signed!
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Jimmy K on August 22, 2012, 12:57:07 PM
Cool
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: millstone on August 22, 2012, 01:01:21 PM
Signed...
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: upperbocobrewers on August 22, 2012, 03:41:17 PM
If they don't release the recipe, it will probably be because they dry-hop with uppers, downers and Prozac.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: mihalybaci on August 22, 2012, 03:59:52 PM
Plan B - Use the Freedom of Information Act

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/white-house-beer-recipe-obama_n_1818531.html
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: SecondRow_Sean on August 22, 2012, 04:19:34 PM
Plan B - Use the Freedom of Information Act

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/white-house-beer-recipe-obama_n_1818531.html

I'm all for finding out the recipe, and hopefully it will be released (I can't imagine why it wouldn't be). However, is this really what FOIA was intended for? If the kit/ingredients were purchased with his personal money, it's probably not FOIA'able.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: euge on August 22, 2012, 04:25:00 PM
Signed! #2300
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: udubdawg on August 22, 2012, 06:50:38 PM
some funny stuff on their list of recent petitions.

long ways to go to get to 25K, but hey, the homebrew petition has 4.5 times as many supporters as the petition to allow women to go topless.  I would have guessed boobs would outpoll beer by 20-30%!   ;D
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: weazletoe on August 22, 2012, 07:08:35 PM
Signed (pantless)
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: CB-Illinois on August 22, 2012, 07:27:29 PM
Came across this petition on another site and wanted to come here to tell everyone to sign...

Oh, and SIGNED
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: jmmcfarland on August 22, 2012, 07:31:39 PM
Signed! #2856
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: udubdawg on August 25, 2012, 01:44:14 PM
sort of on this subject, I'm reading this interview with the guy Obama gave a homebrew beer to recently, and the following section is confusing me...

http://obamafoodorama.blogspot.com/2012/08/meet-brad-magerkurth-man-with-secrets.html (http://obamafoodorama.blogspot.com/2012/08/meet-brad-magerkurth-man-with-secrets.html)

Magerkurth also said that the bottle cap--which carries no marking, such as a Presidential seal--is "bench capped."
How beer bottles are capped is important, to maintain flavor and keep the brew stable. Bench capping allows bottles to be re-used, because the bottle top can be twisted off. It's a more expensive proposition than using a hand capping tool.

"A bench capper is about four hundred bucks," Magerkurth said, implying that the President has a pricey brewing operation.


*********

$400?!  Is this just a confused/uninformed interviewer?  Or a guy who has supposedly homebrewed but never bought/used a bench capper?  I've got one; cost me a little over 40 bucks.  From the pic the homebrew in question certainly does not appear to be a twist-off.


anyway what am I missing?  And if there's some expensive homebrewing gadget I haven't bought yet I need to know.  ;D

thanks--
--Michael
Title: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: brushvalleybrewer on August 25, 2012, 02:06:14 PM
Signed.


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Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: majorvices on August 25, 2012, 02:12:03 PM
sort of on this subject, I'm reading this interview with the guy Obama gave a homebrew beer to recently, and the following section is confusing me...

http://obamafoodorama.blogspot.com/2012/08/meet-brad-magerkurth-man-with-secrets.html (http://obamafoodorama.blogspot.com/2012/08/meet-brad-magerkurth-man-with-secrets.html)

Magerkurth also said that the bottle cap--which carries no marking, such as a Presidential seal--is "bench capped."
How beer bottles are capped is important, to maintain flavor and keep the brew stable. Bench capping allows bottles to be re-used, because the bottle top can be twisted off. It's a more expensive proposition than using a hand capping tool.

"A bench capper is about four hundred bucks," Magerkurth said, implying that the President has a pricey brewing operation.


*********

$400?!  Is this just a confused/uninformed interviewer?  Or a guy who has supposedly homebrewed but never bought/used a bench capper?  I've got one; cost me a little over 40 bucks.  From the pic the homebrew in question certainly does not appear to be a twist-off.


anyway what am I missing?  And if there's some expensive homebrewing gadget I haven't bought yet I need to know.  ;D

thanks--
--Michael

I have a pneumatic capper (at my brewery) that probably cost at least $400. I don't think it is any better than a standard wing or bench capper, but it is a hell of a lot faster.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on August 25, 2012, 10:13:29 PM
jay carney came out and said that if the petition meets the required threshold, they will release the recipe that they planned on not releasing.

Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: nateo on August 25, 2012, 10:24:51 PM
Even if he releases the "recipe," it won't prove anything. I'm going to start a petition for Obama to release the long-form recipe so we can finally put this matter to rest.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: fatdogale on August 25, 2012, 10:28:01 PM
#8674  Ooops, I'm #8675
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Kaiser on August 25, 2012, 11:42:37 PM
I believe bench cappers give you a tighter seal that let's in less oxygen. Bigger breweries worry about these details. Not bench vs wing capper but the force with which the cap is pressed on. Twist-off caps, for example, also let in more O2.

Kai
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: roguenationpatriot on August 26, 2012, 04:54:13 AM
Get the word out. I think it's less about the recipe as it is an opportunity to show that we brewers have a strong voice.

I'm not sure if I can sign. I'm not a citizen, but I created an account. Let's see how far I get until I see a note that only citizens can sign.

Kai
Signed it. I agree, this is a great opportunity to show that brewers are have a strong voice, and are an active in the political process. Also, it would be fun to try the presidential brew.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: tschmidlin on August 26, 2012, 07:13:20 AM
I think once this is talked about on a BN show their guys will push it over 25k in a few hours . . .
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: hopfenundmalz on August 26, 2012, 12:52:09 PM
Plan B - Use the Freedom of Information Act

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/white-house-beer-recipe-obama_n_1818531.html
Sign the petition.

If you look into the FOIA, you find that the White House has exemptions.

The EOP entities exempt from the provisions of the FOIA are:
•Office of Administration
•White House Office
•Office of the Vice President
•Council of Economic Advisers
•National Security Council
•Office of Policy Development
•President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board

From
http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/ostp/library/compliance/foia

Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: qpackard on August 27, 2012, 04:55:00 PM
An easy link for Whitehouse Honey Ale petition:

http://wh.gov/4y9b
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Jimmy K on August 27, 2012, 06:22:16 PM
Plan B - Use the Freedom of Information Act

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/white-house-beer-recipe-obama_n_1818531.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/white-house-beer-recipe-obama_n_1818531.html)

I'm all for finding out the recipe, and hopefully it will be released (I can't imagine why it wouldn't be). However, is this really what FOIA was intended for? If the kit/ingredients were purchased with his personal money, it's probably not FOIA'able.

I'd read that the FOIA request probably won't work because it is not an official activity anyway, just as the chef's blueberry pie recipe wouldn't be FOIA'able either.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: the_pig on August 27, 2012, 07:36:25 PM
Signature # 9,730 - we're getting there!
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: firedog23 on August 27, 2012, 08:09:20 PM
What's going to be funny is when/if it is released that there will be someone, possibly on this site who goes "WTF, that's my recipe!"  I assume there may not be an official White House brewer who came up with the grain bill on these two beers.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: denny on August 27, 2012, 08:10:28 PM
The White House brewer is a chef who has experience with homebrewing.  I don't know how much.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: firedog23 on August 27, 2012, 08:22:02 PM
I suppose if there is a way to not make the big beers mad by drinking good craft beer during election year is to bring our own homebrew to the party.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Joe Sr. on August 27, 2012, 09:09:41 PM
Watch it be a Brewer's Best kit or something of the sort.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on August 27, 2012, 10:10:35 PM
Even if he releases the "recipe," it won't prove anything. I'm going to start a petition for Obama to release the long-form recipe so we can finally put this matter to rest.

Ha!   ;D
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: morticaixavier on August 27, 2012, 10:47:06 PM
Even if he releases the "recipe," it won't prove anything. I'm going to start a petition for Obama to release the long-form recipe so we can finally put this matter to rest.

Ha!   ;D

+ Double HA!
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: kgs on August 28, 2012, 03:40:00 AM
As a librarian, I am essentially obligated to support open access initiatives. I suspect there's concern about backlash -- it's really so-and-so's recipe, it's not so good, blah blah. But publicly-funded "research" went into creating this recipe, and it would be pretty darn cool if it became a government document available to all, in the grand tradition of more information for the people, by the people.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: ccfoo242 on August 28, 2012, 12:43:39 PM
I'm concerned this could be a national security issue. Do we really want beerorists to get their hands on this recipe? What if they make a suitcase beer bomb?
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Jimmy K on August 28, 2012, 03:04:10 PM
I suppose if there is a way to not make the big beers mad by drinking good craft beer during election year is to bring our own homebrew to the party.

Why would that be any better? Still not buying their product.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Jimmy K on August 28, 2012, 03:07:17 PM
What's going to be funny is when/if it is released that there will be someone, possibly on this site who goes "WTF, that's my recipe!"  I assume there may not be an official White House brewer who came up with the grain bill on these two beers.

OK, no political posts so I'll just .... Only a __(fill in the blank)__ would be mad to find out the President was brewing their wheat beer recipe.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: tcanova on August 28, 2012, 03:26:31 PM
Signed. 

I will be waiting for the obligatory "Well, I would drop the Crystal malt...." recipe comments.  ;)
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: majorvices on August 28, 2012, 04:03:24 PM
Signed. 

I will be waiting for the obligatory "Well, I would drop the Crystal malt...." recipe comments.  ;)

 ;D
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Duke on August 30, 2012, 12:12:19 AM
The President was in a chat on Reddit today and somebody asked him about the recipe.  He replied saying it would be released "soon" whatever that means.

Linky:

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/z1c9z/i_am_barack_obama_president_of_the_united_states/#c60mom8 (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/z1c9z/i_am_barack_obama_president_of_the_united_states/#c60mom8)

Prost,

Duke
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on August 30, 2012, 02:32:04 AM
i heard the prez said, on reddit, that they would be releasing the recipe. 
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: ccfoo242 on August 30, 2012, 02:35:26 AM
The President was in a chat on Reddit today and somebody asked him about the recipe.  He replied saying it would be released "soon" whatever that means.

Linky:

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/z1c9z/i_am_barack_obama_president_of_the_united_states/#c60mom8 (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/z1c9z/i_am_barack_obama_president_of_the_united_states/#c60mom8)

Prost,

Duke

I consider this a 2012 Campaign promise! LOL...
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: hoser on August 30, 2012, 03:34:40 AM
I could care less.  Do we even know if this beer/recipe is any good?  I would rather try to recreate a tried and true recipe from Jamil, Gordon, Denny, or a gold medal winner from NHC before brewing this beer. 

I will avoid all of the political stuff that could potentially spin off from this.  I HATE politics.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: tschmidlin on August 30, 2012, 07:41:09 AM
I could care less.  Do we even know if this beer/recipe is any good?  I would rather try to recreate a tried and true recipe from Jamil, Gordon, Denny, or a gold medal winner from NHC before brewing this beer. 

I will avoid all of the political stuff that could potentially spin off from this.  I HATE politics.
I'm glad you could care less, I'm interested too. ::)

I'm not saying I'm going to brew it, and in fact I probably won't, but I think it's cool that someone is brewing in the White House again.  Maybe it isn't good, maybe it is - so what?  That the President of hte United States is brewing (or having a chef brew) is great for our hobby, and releasing the recipe just adds to it.  In my opinion, the more press his brewing gets, the better it is for homebrewers everywhere.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on August 30, 2012, 11:20:47 AM
exactly tom.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: hoser on August 30, 2012, 11:25:14 AM
I could care less.  Do we even know if this beer/recipe is any good?  I would rather try to recreate a tried and true recipe from Jamil, Gordon, Denny, or a gold medal winner from NHC before brewing this beer. 

I will avoid all of the political stuff that could potentially spin off from this.  I HATE politics.
I'm glad you could care less, I'm interested too. ::)

I'm not saying I'm going to brew it, and in fact I probably won't, but I think it's cool that someone is brewing in the White House again.  Maybe it isn't good, maybe it is - so what?  That the President of hte United States is brewing (or having a chef brew) is great for our hobby, and releasing the recipe just adds to it.  In my opinion, the more press his brewing gets, the better it is for homebrewers everywhere.

Those are all very good and valid points Tom.  I like the fact that someone is brewing in the White House and all the press that homebrewing and craft beer is receiving while Obama is in the White House. All of which helps validates and helps our hobby grow.  But, people seem to be more interested in obtaining the recipe than the fact that this is helping the hobby grow.  That is the part that irks me.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: majorvices on August 30, 2012, 11:38:26 AM
I just want to get the recipe so I can tear it apart and berate it the way I do all recipes. Honey in beer is soooo for beginners, anyway.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: hoser on August 30, 2012, 11:45:44 AM
I just want to get the recipe so I can tear it apart and berate it the way I do all recipes. Honey in beer is soooo for beginners, anyway.
+1 ;D

I could care less.  Do we even know if this beer/recipe is any good?  I would rather try to recreate a tried and true recipe from Jamil, Gordon, Denny, or a gold medal winner from NHC before brewing this beer. 

I will avoid all of the political stuff that could potentially spin off from this.  I HATE politics.
I'm glad you could care less, I'm interested too. ::)

I'm not saying I'm going to brew it, and in fact I probably won't, but I think it's cool that someone is brewing in the White House again.  Maybe it isn't good, maybe it is - so what?  That the President of hte United States is brewing (or having a chef brew) is great for our hobby, and releasing the recipe just adds to it.  In my opinion, the more press his brewing gets, the better it is for homebrewers everywhere.

Those are all very good and valid points Tom.  I like the fact that someone is brewing in the White House and all the press that homebrewing and craft beer is receiving while Obama is in the White House. All of which helps validates and helps our hobby grow.  But, people seem to be more interested in obtaining the recipe than the fact that this is helping the hobby grow.  That is the part that irks me.

Now that BW3 commercial, I am not sure if that is good publicity for our hobby or not.... :P
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on August 30, 2012, 03:42:15 PM
I could care less.  Do we even know if this beer/recipe is any good?  I would rather try to recreate a tried and true recipe from Jamil, Gordon, Denny, or a gold medal winner from NHC before brewing this beer. 

I will avoid all of the political stuff that could potentially spin off from this.  I HATE politics.
I'm glad you could care less, I'm interested too. ::)

I'm not saying I'm going to brew it, and in fact I probably won't, but I think it's cool that someone is brewing in the White House again.  Maybe it isn't good, maybe it is - so what?  That the President of hte United States is brewing (or having a chef brew) is great for our hobby, and releasing the recipe just adds to it.  In my opinion, the more press his brewing gets, the better it is for homebrewers everywhere.

Those are all very good and valid points Tom.  I like the fact that someone is brewing in the White House and all the press that homebrewing and craft beer is receiving while Obama is in the White House. All of which helps validates and helps our hobby grow.  But, people seem to be more interested in obtaining the recipe than the fact that this is helping the hobby grow.  That is the part that irks me.

interesting insight you have there.  is that your own hypothesis, or do you have factual data to back up your assertation?
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: hoser on August 30, 2012, 04:00:52 PM
Just my own hypothesis from reading various posts on the interweb and talking to people.  Just my opinion.  I may be completely wrong.  It has been known to happen from time to time ;D
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: hopfenundmalz on August 30, 2012, 04:32:51 PM
Though Washington and Jefferson are knnow to have made beer, they never lived in the White House - wasn't built/finished. IIRC Madison was the first to live there.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: hoser on August 30, 2012, 04:47:17 PM
I would have been more interested in seeing a public petition to have the President help legalize brewing in states such as Alabama and Mississippi than the actual recipe.  I understand the federal government likely does not have jurisdiction to do that and that he is too busy trying to get re-elected.  Hopefully, making the public aware, especially the elected officials in those states who are still misinformed about what homebrewing actually is can lead to some change.  Hopefully.....
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: repo on August 30, 2012, 05:08:54 PM
Though Washington and Jefferson are knnow to have made beer, they never lived in the White House - wasn't built/finished. IIRC Madison was the first to live there.

Jefferson did live there. It was built/finished before John Adams left office. Washington was only president not to have lived there at all.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Slowbrew on August 30, 2012, 05:51:56 PM
The Feds already did their job by making it legal for the states to allow it.  Whether homebrewing is allowed in your state is considered a "states" issue and the Federal government does not have any jurisdiction on it.  That's my understanding at least.

Alabama will get there one of these days.

I don't really know that I care if the recipe is released or not.  If you do, good luck in your quest.

Paul
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on August 30, 2012, 05:57:37 PM
alabama is there guys, mississippi is the lone state, to my best knowledge.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: nateo on August 30, 2012, 06:48:18 PM
The Feds already did their job by making it legal for the states to allow it.  Whether homebrewing is allowed in your state is considered a "states" issue and the Federal government does not have any jurisdiction on it. 

Yeah, if your state has restrictive liquor laws, that's all on your state. The Feds can't make states allow homebrewing. The Feds have some power in the commerce clause to regulate businesses, for instance to prevent discrimination within a legal business operation (no "whites-only" restaurants.) Since homebrewing isn't commercial, I don't think it falls under commerce clause.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Slowbrew on August 30, 2012, 07:00:09 PM
alabama is there guys, mississippi is the lone state, to my best knowledge.

I hadn't heard it finally got through.  That's great for them.

Paul
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: majorvices on August 30, 2012, 07:06:32 PM
No, Alabama is not there. Hopefully will be next major legislative session. The bill passed the senate but never came up for a vote in the house.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on August 30, 2012, 07:19:21 PM
No, Alabama is not there. Hopefully will be next major legislative session. The bill passed the senate but never came up for a vote in the house.

oh fail.  i thought it passed both. 
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: narcout on August 30, 2012, 08:56:33 PM
The Feds already did their job by making it legal for the states to allow it.  Whether homebrewing is allowed in your state is considered a "states" issue and the Federal government does not have any jurisdiction on it. 

Yeah, if your state has restrictive liquor laws, that's all on your state. The Feds can't make states allow homebrewing. The Feds have some power in the commerce clause to regulate businesses, for instance to prevent discrimination within a legal business operation (no "whites-only" restaurants.) Since homebrewing isn't commercial, I don't think it falls under commerce clause.

At one point in time, the commerce clause was interpreted pretty broadly.  In the case you mention above concerning the whites-only restuarant (Katzenbach v. McClung), the Supreme Court basically said that if Congress can reasonably conclude that, taken in the aggregate, an activity will have a substantial effect on interstate commerce, then it is within Congress' power under the commerce clause to regulate that activity.

It's a stretch, but Congress could conceivably regulate homebrewing under that interpretation.  However, the SC has limited the power of Congress under the commerce clause quite a bit since that case was decided. 
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Joe Sr. on August 30, 2012, 09:23:51 PM
The Feds already did their job by making it legal for the states to allow it.  Whether homebrewing is allowed in your state is considered a "states" issue and the Federal government does not have any jurisdiction on it. 

Yeah, if your state has restrictive liquor laws, that's all on your state. The Feds can't make states allow homebrewing. The Feds have some power in the commerce clause to regulate businesses, for instance to prevent discrimination within a legal business operation (no "whites-only" restaurants.) Since homebrewing isn't commercial, I don't think it falls under commerce clause.

At one point in time, the commerce clause was interpreted pretty broadly.  In the case you mention above concerning the whites-only restuarant (Katzenbach v. McClung), the Supreme Court basically said that if Congress can reasonably conclude that, taken in the aggregate, an activity will have a substantial effect on interstate commerce, then it is within Congress' power under the commerce clause to regulate that activity.

It's a stretch, but Congress could conceivably regulate homebrewing under that interpretation.  However, the SC has limited the power of Congress under the commerce clause quite a bit since that case was decided.

It's still interpreted pretty broadly, IMO, at least by Congress and the executive branch (both parties).

Recent limitations from the current Supreme Court run counter to previous interpretations of the clause.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/28/an-important-new-limit-on-the-commerce-clause/
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Slowbrew on August 30, 2012, 09:25:20 PM
No, Alabama is not there. Hopefully will be next major legislative session. The bill passed the senate but never came up for a vote in the house.

I didn't think it had passed but it's been a long day and I've been known to be mistaken now and then.

Paul
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on August 30, 2012, 09:59:49 PM
now i need to find my buddy from alabama that rubbed it in my face that alabama had made the leap and we had not.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: bernman on August 31, 2012, 12:18:22 AM
Signed  #11,925
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: hopfenundmalz on August 31, 2012, 01:18:36 AM
Though Washington and Jefferson are knnow to have made beer, they never lived in the White House - wasn't built/finished. IIRC Madison was the first to live there.

Jefferson did live there. It was built/finished before John Adams left office. Washington was only president not to have lived there at all.
I stand corrected.  Jefferson never brewed there, though.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: passlaku on August 31, 2012, 02:34:24 AM
No, Alabama is not there. Hopefully will be next major legislative session. The bill passed the senate but never came up for a vote in the house.

MJ,

This year it was quite the opposite.  Mac got it through the House but we ran out of time in the Senate.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: passlaku on August 31, 2012, 02:40:35 AM
The Feds already did their job by making it legal for the states to allow it.  Whether homebrewing is allowed in your state is considered a "states" issue and the Federal government does not have any jurisdiction on it. 

Yeah, if your state has restrictive liquor laws, that's all on your state. The Feds can't make states allow homebrewing. The Feds have some power in the commerce clause to regulate businesses, for instance to prevent discrimination within a legal business operation (no "whites-only" restaurants.) Since homebrewing isn't commercial, I don't think it falls under commerce clause.

At one point in time, the commerce clause was interpreted pretty broadly.  In the case you mention above concerning the whites-only restuarant (Katzenbach v. McClung), the Supreme Court basically said that if Congress can reasonably conclude that, taken in the aggregate, an activity will have a substantial effect on interstate commerce, then it is within Congress' power under the commerce clause to regulate that activity.

It's a stretch, but Congress could conceivably regulate homebrewing under that interpretation.  However, the SC has limited the power of Congress under the commerce clause quite a bit since that case was decided.

I don't think that logic regarding the Commerce Clause works since the 21st Amendment gives state govts broad discretion in terms of how they will regulate alcohol.  But it does raise a constitutional question about which part  of the Constitution is more important. 

Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: tschmidlin on August 31, 2012, 08:46:32 AM
Though Washington and Jefferson are knnow to have made beer, they never lived in the White House - wasn't built/finished. IIRC Madison was the first to live there.

Jefferson did live there. It was built/finished before John Adams left office. Washington was only president not to have lived there at all.
I stand corrected.  Jefferson never brewed there, though.
I'll take your word for that, although that brings up the point that this isn't even the same White House.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: majorvices on August 31, 2012, 11:31:37 AM
Abraham Lincoln was the first president to reside in the current white house.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: alcaponejunior on August 31, 2012, 11:39:58 AM
Quote
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/white-house-beer-recipe-obama_n_1818531.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/white-house-beer-recipe-obama_n_1818531.html)

Interesting thing on that huff page is the top 20 selling craft breweries in the US.  I've had something from all of them.  Stone, Bell's, DFH, FFF etc.

I'm about to sign
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: phillamb168 on August 31, 2012, 11:49:55 AM
Abraham Lincoln was the first president to reside in the current white house.

Yeah, but did he brew beer there? NO. He slayed vampires.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: alcaponejunior on August 31, 2012, 12:20:09 PM
Abraham Lincoln was the first president to reside in the current white house.

Yeah, but did he brew beer there? NO. He slayed vampires.

True, he was busy slaying vampires, so he didn't have time to brew.  But Geo Wash left a huge stash of barleywine and imperial stout, so ol' Abe still had plenty of beer. :-)
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on August 31, 2012, 12:43:43 PM
The Feds already did their job by making it legal for the states to allow it.  Whether homebrewing is allowed in your state is considered a "states" issue and the Federal government does not have any jurisdiction on it. 

Yeah, if your state has restrictive liquor laws, that's all on your state. The Feds can't make states allow homebrewing. The Feds have some power in the commerce clause to regulate businesses, for instance to prevent discrimination within a legal business operation (no "whites-only" restaurants.) Since homebrewing isn't commercial, I don't think it falls under commerce clause.

At one point in time, the commerce clause was interpreted pretty broadly.  In the case you mention above concerning the whites-only restuarant (Katzenbach v. McClung), the Supreme Court basically said that if Congress can reasonably conclude that, taken in the aggregate, an activity will have a substantial effect on interstate commerce, then it is within Congress' power under the commerce clause to regulate that activity.

It's a stretch, but Congress could conceivably regulate homebrewing under that interpretation.  However, the SC has limited the power of Congress under the commerce clause quite a bit since that case was decided.

I don't think that logic regarding the Commerce Clause works since the 21st Amendment gives state govts broad discretion in terms of how they will regulate alcohol.  But it does raise a constitutional question about which part  of the Constitution is more important.

Bingo.  The way congress "regulates" homebrewing in spite of the 21st Amendment is under its power to tax.  The bill that President Carter signed making it legal to homebrew was a tax exemption for beer brewed for personal or family use up to 100 gallons per year per adult, or 200 gallons per household. 
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: hopfenundmalz on August 31, 2012, 02:59:47 PM
Abraham Lincoln was the first president to reside in the current white house.
  >:(

I have learned a lot in this thread. Time to learn more. What do you and Tom me. I know the the British burned the White House in the War of 1812, it was rebuilt, and remodeled. Truman lived much of his term in Blair house.

Was Lincoln the first to live in the 3rd floor addition?
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: nateo on August 31, 2012, 07:57:21 PM
The White House wasn't completely destroyed in the burning of Washington. It was gutted by the fire, but when they "rebuilt it" they used the original walls that were still standing.

http://www.whitehousehistory.org/whha_classroom/classroom_4-8-history-war.html
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: narcout on August 31, 2012, 11:16:39 PM
The Feds already did their job by making it legal for the states to allow it.  Whether homebrewing is allowed in your state is considered a "states" issue and the Federal government does not have any jurisdiction on it. 

Yeah, if your state has restrictive liquor laws, that's all on your state. The Feds can't make states allow homebrewing. The Feds have some power in the commerce clause to regulate businesses, for instance to prevent discrimination within a legal business operation (no "whites-only" restaurants.) Since homebrewing isn't commercial, I don't think it falls under commerce clause.

At one point in time, the commerce clause was interpreted pretty broadly.  In the case you mention above concerning the whites-only restuarant (Katzenbach v. McClung), the Supreme Court basically said that if Congress can reasonably conclude that, taken in the aggregate, an activity will have a substantial effect on interstate commerce, then it is within Congress' power under the commerce clause to regulate that activity.

It's a stretch, but Congress could conceivably regulate homebrewing under that interpretation.  However, the SC has limited the power of Congress under the commerce clause quite a bit since that case was decided.

I don't think that logic regarding the Commerce Clause works since the 21st Amendment gives state govts broad discretion in terms of how they will regulate alcohol.  But it does raise a constitutional question about which part  of the Constitution is more important.

Bingo.  The way congress "regulates" homebrewing in spite of the 21st Amendment is under its power to tax.  The bill that President Carter signed making it legal to homebrew was a tax exemption for beer brewed for personal or family use up to 100 gallons per year per adult, or 200 gallons per household.

Say that Congress decided to try to override a state law that made homebrewing illegal, do you think it would be successful in doing so under the commerce clause or would it fail (due to a more restrictive interpretation of that clause, the 21st amendment, or any other reason)?
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: nateo on August 31, 2012, 11:58:00 PM
Say that Congress decided to try to override a state law that made homebrewing illegal, do you think it would be successful in doing so under the commerce clause or would it fail (due to a more restrictive interpretation of that clause, the 21st amendment, or any other reason)?

Given how unpredictable the SCOTUS has been lately, I doubt you can answer that question with anything short of asking them directly. Given how much beer is shipped across state lines for various comps, I'm surprised this issue hasn't been resolved already.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on September 01, 2012, 12:09:37 AM
The Feds already did their job by making it legal for the states to allow it.  Whether homebrewing is allowed in your state is considered a "states" issue and the Federal government does not have any jurisdiction on it. 

Yeah, if your state has restrictive liquor laws, that's all on your state. The Feds can't make states allow homebrewing. The Feds have some power in the commerce clause to regulate businesses, for instance to prevent discrimination within a legal business operation (no "whites-only" restaurants.) Since homebrewing isn't commercial, I don't think it falls under commerce clause.

At one point in time, the commerce clause was interpreted pretty broadly.  In the case you mention above concerning the whites-only restuarant (Katzenbach v. McClung), the Supreme Court basically said that if Congress can reasonably conclude that, taken in the aggregate, an activity will have a substantial effect on interstate commerce, then it is within Congress' power under the commerce clause to regulate that activity.

It's a stretch, but Congress could conceivably regulate homebrewing under that interpretation.  However, the SC has limited the power of Congress under the commerce clause quite a bit since that case was decided.

I don't think that logic regarding the Commerce Clause works since the 21st Amendment gives state govts broad discretion in terms of how they will regulate alcohol.  But it does raise a constitutional question about which part  of the Constitution is more important.

Bingo.  The way congress "regulates" homebrewing in spite of the 21st Amendment is under its power to tax.  The bill that President Carter signed making it legal to homebrew was a tax exemption for beer brewed for personal or family use up to 100 gallons per year per adult, or 200 gallons per household.

Say that Congress decided to try to override a state law that made homebrewing illegal, do you think it would be successful in doing so under the commerce clause or would it fail (due to a more restrictive interpretation of that clause, the 21st amendment, or any other reason)?

My gut tells me that under the canon of construction that a specific statute trumps a general one, Congress would lose under a Commerce Clause argument.  To me, the 21st Amendment (specific statute) is an exception to the Commerce Clause (general statute), thereby allowing states to regulate what would otherwise be in the exclusive purview of Congress. 

Although, some would argue that the 21st Amendment is a truism to the extent that it merely restores to the states the rightful power to regulate alcohol.  From that viewpoint, the Commerce Clause would have no bearing on the question since the states' power to regulate alcohol predated the Constitution and alcohol regulation is not an expressly enumerated power.

Now, in the commercial alcohol sphere, there do exist commerce clause issues.  They mostly revolve around the dormant commerce clause doctrine.  Granholm v. Heald (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/03-1116.ZS.html) is probably the most well-known modern case on the subject.    Check it out if you'd like to know more about the balance between the 21st Amendment and the dormant commerce clause doctrine -- sounds exhilarating, right!?   :P
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: narcout on September 01, 2012, 12:52:51 AM
From that viewpoint, the Commerce Clause would have no bearing on the question since the states' power to regulate alcohol predated the Constitution and alcohol regulation is not an expressly enumerated power.

I don't know that I follow, hasn't Congress often used the CC to regulate activity not related to any other expressly enumerated power?

Check it out if you'd like to know more about the balance between the 21st Amendment and the dormant commerce clause doctrine -- sounds exhilarating, right!?   :P

Since I no longer practice law, it's probably a good idea to exercise the muscles now and then.  It's sad how much knowledge I've lost since taking the bar exam.  I should re-read some of your blog posts...
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: garc_mall on September 01, 2012, 06:05:01 PM
Here you go:

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Ale to the Chief: White House Beer Recipe

By Sam Kass, White House Assistant Chef and the Senior Policy Advisor for Healthy Food Initiatives

With public excitement about White House beer fermenting such a buzz, we decided we better hop right to it.

Inspired by home brewers from across the country, last year President Obama bought a home brewing kit for the kitchen. After the few first drafts we landed on some great recipes that came from a local brew shop. We received some tips from a couple of home brewers who work in the White House who helped us amend it and make it our own. To be honest, we were surprised that the beer turned out so well since none of us had brewed beer before.

As far as we know the White House Honey Brown Ale is the first alcohol brewed or distilled on the White House grounds. George Washington brewed beer and distilled whiskey at Mount Vernon and Thomas Jefferson made wine but there's no evidence that any beer has been brewed in the White House. (Although we do know there was some drinking during prohibition…)

Since our first batch of White House Honey Brown Ale, we've added the Honey Porter and have gone even further to add a Honey Blonde this past summer. Like many home brewers who add secret ingredients to make their beer unique, all of our brews have honey that we tapped from the first ever bee-hive on the South Lawn. The honey gives the beer a rich aroma and a nice finish but it doesn't sweeten it.

If you want a behind the scenes look at our home-brewing process, this video offers some proof.

Inside the White House: Beer Brewing

So without any further ado, America – this one's for you:

White House Honey Ale Recipe

White House Honey Porter Recipe

Download a printable PDF of both recipes.

White House Honey Porter

Ingredients

    2 (3.3 lb) cans light unhopped malt extract
    3/4 lb Munich Malt (cracked)
    1 lb crystal 20 malt (cracked)
    6 oz black malt (cracked)
    3 oz chocolate malt (cracked)
    1 lb White House Honey
    10 HBUs bittering hops
    1/2 oz Hallertaur Aroma hops
    1 pkg Nottingham dry yeast
    3/4 cup corn sugar for bottling

Directions

    In a 6 qt pot, add grains to 2.25 qts of 168˚ water. Mix well to bring temp down to 155˚. Steep on stovetop at 155˚ for 45 minutes. Meanwhile, bring 2 gallons of water to 165˚ in a 12 qt pot. Place strainer over, then pour and spoon all the grains and liquid in. Rinse with 2 gallons of 165˚ water. Let liquid drain through. Discard the grains and bring the liquid to a boil. Set aside.
    Add the 2 cans of malt extract and honey into the pot. Stir well.
    Boil for an hour. Add half of the bittering hops at the 15 minute mark, the other half at 30 minute mark, then the aroma hops at the 60 minute mark.
    Set aside and let stand for 15 minutes.
    Place 2 gallons of chilled water into the primary fermenter and add the hot wort into it. Top with more water to total 5 gallons if necessary. Place into an ice bath to cool down to 70-80˚.
    Activate dry yeast in 1 cup of sterilized water at 75-90˚ for fifteen minutes. Pitch yeast into the fermenter. Fill airlock halfway with water. Ferment at room temp (64-68˚) for 3-4 days.
    Siphon over to a secondary glass fermenter for another 4-7 days.
    To bottle, make a priming syrup on the stove with 1 cup sterile water and 3/4 cup priming sugar, bring to a boil for five minutes. Pour the mixture into an empty bottling bucket. Siphon the beer from the fermenter over it. Distribute priming sugar evenly. Siphon into bottles and cap. Let sit for 1-2 weeks at 75˚.

White House Honey Ale

Ingredients

    2 (3.3 lb) cans light malt extract
    1 lb light dried malt extract
    12 oz crushed amber crystal malt
    8 oz Bisquit Malt
    1 lb White House Honey
    1 1/2 oz Kent Goldings Hop Pellets
    1 1/2 oz Fuggles Hop pellets
    2 tsp gypsum
    1 pkg Windsor dry ale yeast
    3/4 cup corn sugar for priming

Directions

    In an 12 qt pot, steep the grains in a hop bag in 1 1/2 gallons of sterile water at 155 degrees for half an hour. Remove the grains.
    Add the 2 cans of the malt extract and the dried extract and bring to a boil.
    For the first flavoring, add the 1 1/2 oz Kent Goldings and 2 tsp of gypsum. Boil for 45 minutes.
    For the second flavoring, add the 1/2 oz Fuggles hop pellets at the last minute of the boil.
    Add the honey and boil for 5 more minutes.
    Add 2 gallons chilled sterile water into the primary fermenter and add the hot wort into it. Top with more water to total 5 gallons. There is no need to strain.
    Pitch yeast when wort temperature is between 70-80˚. Fill airlock halfway with water.
    Ferment at 68-72˚ for about seven days.
    Rack to a secondary fermenter after five days and ferment for 14 more days.
    To bottle, dissolve the corn sugar into 2 pints of boiling water for 15 minutes. Pour the mixture into an empty bottling bucket. Siphon the beer from the fermenter over it. Distribute priming sugar evenly. Siphon into bottles and cap. Let sit for 2 to 3 weeks at 75˚.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: tonyp on September 01, 2012, 06:05:56 PM
We did it!!

Ale to the Chief: White House Beer Recipe (http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/09/01/ale-chief-white-house-beer-recipe)

Gratz guys!!
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Mark G on September 01, 2012, 06:09:37 PM
Finally... We can get down to critiquing the recipe. ;)
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Kaiser on September 01, 2012, 06:13:28 PM
I was actually hoping that we can get to 25,000 signatures.

Kai
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: garc_mall on September 01, 2012, 06:15:03 PM
Someone needs to tell the White House that they don't need to secondary :D
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: alcaponejunior on September 01, 2012, 06:17:32 PM
Yeah I just got the email too, great stuff!  The honey ale looks like it's pretty good!  The porter probably is too (I can't imagine they let the prez get lousy advice on how to make it).
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: erockrph on September 01, 2012, 07:00:11 PM
I guess I'll have to brew one of these prior to the election just to try it out. I'm leaning towards the Honey Ale. May take some liberties with the grain bill, though. Wonder where I can get some White House honey...
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: nateo on September 01, 2012, 07:08:45 PM
Wonder where I can get some White House honey...

Just hop the fence, I'm sure no one will mind.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: ccfoo242 on September 01, 2012, 07:18:30 PM
Watching the video you can tell that these guys are chefs first and foremost...they don't stir their steeping grains like a cromagnon (like I do!)

So, they said the recipe came from a local brewmaster but I don't think they mentioned his/her name.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dygQrX8FI3Q&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: The Professor on September 01, 2012, 07:20:13 PM
Wonder where I can get some White House honey...

Just hop the fence, I'm sure no one will mind.

Just be sure to have a few beers before you do that...it would probably be a LONG time before you get to taste any beer again after that!
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on September 01, 2012, 07:30:33 PM
i'm thinking about brewing the honey ale before the election as well.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: dbeechum on September 01, 2012, 08:20:48 PM
Mod Hammer - Knock it off. Talk brewing FFS.
Title: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: phillamb168 on September 01, 2012, 08:45:50 PM
Definitely brewing this one. But,
What, no all-grain conversion?
Title: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: phillamb168 on September 01, 2012, 08:48:04 PM
Next step: release the Élysée palace red wine recipe!
Title: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: eaholljr on September 01, 2012, 09:08:06 PM
Remember that the President bought a "kit" for the white house cooks. It looks like he bought from Brewer's Best. Those are extract kits.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on September 01, 2012, 09:10:40 PM
Remember that the President bought a "kit" for the white house cooks. It looks like he bought from Brewer's Best. Those are extract kits.

in the video, they talk about getting a local brewmaster to formulate the recipe. 
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: passlaku on September 01, 2012, 11:09:09 PM
I look forward to adapting this recipe for the ingredients I have on hand.  Although, I may have to order the honey malt to accentuate the actual honey in the beer.

 I wonder what type of honey the Whitehouse has.  Is it Tupelo, Orange Blossom, or Sam's Best?  :)  I am also wondering if I buy honey at the store do they label it as fluid ounces or by weight?  Does anyone know what 16 oz of fluid honey weighs?

By the way, "Ale to the Chief" is just darn cleaver regardless of partisan leanings.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: The Professor on September 01, 2012, 11:37:37 PM
I look forward to adapting this recipe for the ingredients I have on hand.  Although, I may have to order the honey malt to accentuate the actual honey in the beer.

 I wonder what type of honey the Whitehouse has.  Is it Tupelo, Orange Blossom, or Sam's Best?  :)  I am also wondering if I buy honey at the store do they label it as fluid ounces or by weight?  Does anyone know what 16 oz of fluid honey weighs?



Only a guess, but the the White House honey is probably wildflower honey made by the bees from the local flora (maybe including cherry blossoms among the other nectars they collect?). 
As far as volume vs. weight, I do know that when I used to buy honey from a local hobbyist beekeeper 20 years ago,  It was in 1 quart bottles.  The honey itself weighed 3 lbs.  So 16 oz would be around  1.5 lbs
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: kgs on September 01, 2012, 11:42:01 PM
I look forward to adapting this recipe for the ingredients I have on hand.  Although, I may have to order the honey malt to accentuate the actual honey in the beer.

 I wonder what type of honey the Whitehouse has.  Is it Tupelo, Orange Blossom, or Sam's Best?  :)  I am also wondering if I buy honey at the store do they label it as fluid ounces or by weight?  Does anyone know what 16 oz of fluid honey weighs?

By the way, "Ale to the Chief" is just darn cleaver regardless of partisan leanings.

The NY Times had an article in 2009 about White House honey. Apparently it is an amalgam of different flowers from those around the National Mall:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/04/white-house-abuzz-with-first-honey/

Edit: I double-checked, and grocery-store honey is sold by weight.


Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Jimmy K on September 02, 2012, 02:29:21 AM
Remember that the President bought a "kit" for the white house cooks. It looks like he bought from Brewer's Best. Those are extract kits.

Probably meant an equipment kit.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: morticaixavier on September 02, 2012, 02:45:39 AM
I look forward to adapting this recipe for the ingredients I have on hand.  Although, I may have to order the honey malt to accentuate the actual honey in the beer.

 I wonder what type of honey the Whitehouse has.  Is it Tupelo, Orange Blossom, or Sam's Best?  :)  I am also wondering if I buy honey at the store do they label it as fluid ounces or by weight?  Does anyone know what 16 oz of fluid honey weighs?

By the way, "Ale to the Chief" is just darn cleaver regardless of partisan leanings.

honey is usually sold by weight but 16 floz weighs ~1.5 lbs.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: gymrat on September 02, 2012, 05:33:41 AM
Did someone say kit?
www.windriverbrew.com/WhatsNew.html
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: tschmidlin on September 02, 2012, 06:22:07 AM
I loved the video, it's a great ad for the hobby.

re: Ale to the Chief, the name was used by Avery Brewing for a beer in 2008, and may have been used before that.

(http://beerpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/avery-ale-to-the-chief-420-100.jpg)
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: euge on September 02, 2012, 01:30:43 PM
SO the recipe was released! We got about half the signatures needed.

Both recipes look tasty. Might have to brew both of these.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on September 02, 2012, 01:42:28 PM
I loved the video, it's a great ad for the hobby.

re: Ale to the Chief, the name was used by Avery Brewing for a beer in 2008, and may have been used before that.

(http://beerpulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/avery-ale-to-the-chief-420-100.jpg)

yes!  i have a bottle of that.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Wesbrau on September 02, 2012, 04:24:27 PM
What is "amber crystal malt"?
Title: Re: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Kaiser on September 02, 2012, 10:26:20 PM
What is "amber crystal malt"?

Weyermann makes a CaraAmber malt. Maybe they mean that.

Kai
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: anthony on September 03, 2012, 03:47:50 AM
I imagine they mean this: http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/crisp-amber-malt.html
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: dcdwort on September 03, 2012, 05:29:03 PM
Just got the recipes and am reviewing now.  First question is on the Honey Porter:  10 HBU bittering hops   OK there are lots of hops that can be used for bittering, wonder what they specifically used?  I am going to play with the recipes and do a all-grain conversion to see what I can come up with.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: dcdwort on September 03, 2012, 05:49:11 PM
Here is a possible All-grain conversion to the White House Honey Porter
9 lbs 0.9 oz Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1          66.9 %
1 lbs 6.2 oz Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (20.0 SRM) Grain 2 10.3 %
1 lbs 0.7 oz Munich Malt (9.0 SRM) Grain 3                        7.7 %
7.0 oz Black (Patent) Malt (500.0 SRM) Grain 4                  3.2 %
3.5 oz Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 5                        1.6 %
1 lbs 6.2 oz Honey (1.0 SRM) Sugar                                 10.3 %

0.55 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 6             17.2 IBUs
0.55 oz Centennial [10.00 %] - Boil 30.0 min Hop 7             13.2 IBUs
0.55 oz Hallertauer Hersbrucker [4.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop   0.0 IBUs

1 pkg Nottingham Yeast (Lallemand #-) [23.66 ml] Yeast 

Standard 60 min boil, 2-stage fermentation.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: The Professor on September 03, 2012, 06:02:56 PM
Just got the recipes and am reviewing now.  First question is on the Honey Porter:  10 HBU bittering hops   OK there are lots of hops that can be used for bittering, wonder what they specifically used?  I am going to play with the recipes and do a all-grain conversion to see what I can come up with.

In my experience, for a beer like this it hardly matters at all what hop variety you use for bittering, especially at this level (10HBU, which sounds about right for this brew).

I haven't brewed from someone else's recipe (or from extract for that matter) in a very long time, but I may give the Honey Porter a spin...it actually sounds pretty tasty.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: skyler on September 04, 2012, 03:49:10 PM
sually sold by weight but 16 floz weighs ~1.5 lbs.

Yeah, that was my initial thought, that they mean 1 lb of honey. But it looks to me like they are using pint-sized mason jars in the video. The honey looked very light-golden. So my thought would be that a light-colored wildflower honey would be the best choice. It's no wonder they use Windsor - with that much honey, the beer would be quite dry if they used US-05.

And someone needs to get them a blue cooler with a stainless-steel braided hose, for the love of Crist (little political pun there).
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: ahaintern on September 04, 2012, 07:31:31 PM
As most of you already know, the White House released two of the homebrew recipes that had motivated 12,000 homebrewers to sign a petition.

The "Inside the White House" video is a great behind-the-scenes look at their process. So...check it out!

http://bit.ly/obeerma (http://bit.ly/obeerma)

Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: corkybstewart on September 04, 2012, 08:16:48 PM
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-04/a-top-beer-sommelier-assesses-obamas-homebrew-recipe

Ray Daniels posts a critique on the recipes.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: duncan on September 04, 2012, 10:54:07 PM
http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/white-house-beer-a-brewer-weighs-in/ (http://dinersjournal.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/03/white-house-beer-a-brewer-weighs-in/)

Here is an article with Garrett Oliver commenting on the recipe.

edit: spelling
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on September 07, 2012, 07:10:56 PM
well, i ordered the white house honey ale kit from northern brewer, so it looks like i'll be brewing that one soon.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on September 28, 2012, 11:48:21 AM
i'm brewing this tonight.

in the video on the white house website, it seems like i remembered them putting a quart of honey in there, which according to the quart i picked up at the farmers market, is 2.25 lbs.  plugging that into beersmith, i'm coming out with an abv of 8.5%.....  so, looks like i'll be adding the pound that came with the kit, which drops the abv down to 6.5%.


hopefully this will be ready to celebrate with the night of the election.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Slowbrew on September 28, 2012, 01:23:31 PM
i'm brewing this tonight.

in the video on the white house website, it seems like i remembered them putting a quart of honey in there, which according to the quart i picked up at the farmers market, is 2.25 lbs.  plugging that into beersmith, i'm coming out with an abv of 8.5%.....  so, looks like i'll be adding the pound that came with the kit, which drops the abv down to 6.5%.


hopefully this will be ready to celebrate with the night of the election.

When I watched the video it looked like a pint jar to me so 1 lb. would be about the right amount.

Paul
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: phillamb168 on September 28, 2012, 01:52:02 PM
Yeah but pint = pound is only valid for water, honey is significantly more dense, no?

I also ordered the kit. Figure I'll swap out the probably-crap honey with the stuff produced by carl's girls' cousins about half a mile away.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: Slowbrew on September 28, 2012, 01:57:00 PM
You probably right on the weight difference. You are definitely right on the density difference.

I was going with the the statement that his quart of honey weighed 2.25lbs.  No other research or knowledge.  8^)

Paul
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: morticaixavier on September 28, 2012, 05:04:02 PM
honey has a SG of around 1.300 - 1.500 depending on the bees and such. so  pint of honey at 39* would weight between 1.3 and 1.5 lbs.

(A pints a pound only for water at 39*f)
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on September 28, 2012, 05:14:01 PM
You probably right on the weight difference. You are definitely right on the density difference.

I was going with the the statement that his quart of honey weighed 2.25lbs.  No other research or knowledge.  8^)

Paul


and i was just pulling that number off what was on the label they put on the honey.  it said 32 oz./2.25 lbs.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on September 28, 2012, 05:14:51 PM
Yeah but pint = pound is only valid for water, honey is significantly more dense, no?

I also ordered the kit. Figure I'll swap out the probably-crap honey with the stuff produced by carl's girls' cousins about half a mile away.

i guess i should taste what is in the kit and what i have and worst case scenario, guesstimate how much of the local stuff to add at the end.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: morticaixavier on September 28, 2012, 05:17:18 PM
Yeah but pint = pound is only valid for water, honey is significantly more dense, no?

I also ordered the kit. Figure I'll swap out the probably-crap honey with the stuff produced by carl's girls' cousins about half a mile away.

i guess i should taste what is in the kit and what i have and worst case scenario, guesstimate how much of the local stuff to add at the end.

make sure the stuff in the kit didn't come from outside the US. There have been a few cases recently of lead in honey from china and various honey laudering operations moving honey from china around the world so it could be imported into countries that won't accept chinese honey for that very reason.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on September 28, 2012, 05:25:14 PM
Yeah but pint = pound is only valid for water, honey is significantly more dense, no?

I also ordered the kit. Figure I'll swap out the probably-crap honey with the stuff produced by carl's girls' cousins about half a mile away.

i guess i should taste what is in the kit and what i have and worst case scenario, guesstimate how much of the local stuff to add at the end.

make sure the stuff in the kit didn't come from outside the US. There have been a few cases recently of lead in honey from china and various honey laudering operations moving honey from china around the world so it could be imported into countries that won't accept chinese honey for that very reason.


thanks for that information.  in light of that, i'm using the local stuff.

cheers.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: drummerboyseth on September 29, 2012, 01:21:02 AM
make sure the stuff in the kit didn't come from outside the US. There have been a few cases recently of lead in honey from china and various honey laudering operations moving honey from china around the world so it could be imported into countries that won't accept chinese honey for that very reason.

"Honey laundering"??  That sounds almost comical.  I had to read that twice to make sure I saw it correctly.
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on September 29, 2012, 01:37:33 AM
the hone in the kit has a northern brewer sticker on it with an address of 1945 county road c2-w roseville, mn...  i'm guessing their address....
Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: deepsouth on October 21, 2012, 01:35:41 PM
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Title: Re: White House Brew Recipe
Post by: ccfoo242 on October 21, 2012, 03:07:40 PM
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