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Title: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: hoser on October 06, 2012, 04:01:52 PM
It looks like Puterbaugh Farms has a new hop variety for 2012!!!

http://www.hopsdirect.com/leaf/

They sound very interesting.....Can't wait to try some (and they are SUPER cheap!)!
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: erockrph on October 07, 2012, 01:38:24 AM
Damn, I really hope this one stays in stock until the rest of their 2012 crop comes in. As good as the price is, I can't justify spending 15 bucks on shipping for a $5 order.

Now if I can just find a source for Meridian and Mosaic this season...
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: barliman on October 07, 2012, 04:06:10 AM
I just organized a group buy for my homebrew club.  I think that Belma hops sound great.  Although, I don't think I'll be able to justify another order unless they get some Simcoe in stock.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: michaeltrego on October 07, 2012, 02:16:42 PM
Now if I can just find a source for Meridian and Mosaic this season...

For Meridian try Ted Hausotter at Hop Heaven in Baker City, OR.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: brewmichigan on October 08, 2012, 03:11:35 PM
Just ordered some. I'll try these out soon and let you know my experience.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: nateo on October 08, 2012, 05:48:50 PM
I just ordered some too, mostly because of the price point. I got a pound of Citra too, so it might be a while before I get around to using the Belma.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: brewmichigan on October 08, 2012, 07:39:04 PM
We'll first see what they smell like then i'll decide when and what I'll us them in. I wonder if they have any more info on them as far as the cohumulone and what not. Wondering if at 12.1% AA they might be a decent bittering hop.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: blatz on October 09, 2012, 05:28:00 PM
I just organized a group buy for my homebrew club.  I think that Belma hops sound great.  Although, I don't think I'll be able to justify another order unless they get some Simcoe in stock.

they won't get simcoe.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: hoser on October 12, 2012, 12:49:13 AM
Ok, just got 2lbs. today.  Now I need to decide my hop schedule.  My plan is to do a low gravity APA/hoppy blonde with the new Northern Brewer Marris Otter extract for an 0G approx. 1.042, 20 minute boil.

Orginally I was planning:
14g @ 10min
28g @ 0min
14-28g dry hop

But, since these are whole hops I am contemplating using the Blichmann hop rocket.  Do I keep the same hop schedule or just do 2oz in the hop rocket at flame out, and maybe dry hop?
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: erockrph on October 12, 2012, 02:29:03 AM
Ok, just got 2lbs. today.  Now I need to decide my hop schedule.  My plan is to do a low gravity APA/hoppy blonde with the new Northern Brewer Marris Otter extract for an 0G approx. 1.042, 20 minute boil.

Orginally I was planning:
14g @ 10min
28g @ 0min
14-28g dry hop

But, since these are whole hops I am contemplating using the Blichmann hop rocket.  Do I keep the same hop schedule or just do 2oz in the hop rocket at flame out, and maybe dry hop?

I think your schedule will be OK, but you may want to make the first addition a little earlier if you want to get a bit more flavor from the hops. For my batch of all-extract single-hopped pale ales, I dissolved the extract as the wort came up to temp, then threw in 40 IBU's of hops (calculated as a 20-minute addition) once the temp was in the 150F range to approximate a FWH addition. I was surprised at how much different the flavor components of certain hops were compared to their aromas. I was also able to pick out some differences in bittering character between the different varieties I used. I'm not so sure that would be as noticeable from a later addition.

Since you're doing a short-boil extract brew, it may be a good idea to do another batch or two with hops you are familiar with for comparison. Citra is a good benchmark to compare how strong the aroma is.

I also like your choice of MO for the extract. That extra bit of maltiness will give you a better picture of how the hops balance a bit of malt.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: hoser on October 12, 2012, 03:03:03 AM
I had a considered a 7g addition at 20 min and a 30 min boil.  I may put that back in.  I don't really want to do a true bittering addition or a FWH addition, especially based on your experiences with Calypso. I orginially planned this brew for Calypso, but didn't get it done last week and the Belma's arrived. So, I changed my plan.  I am trying to keep my IBUs around 20. The whole hops have kind of thrown me on what I want to do for a hop schedule, because I really want to use the hop rocket. It's not that I have to use 2oz, but would like too. I am mainly doing this for the following reasons:

1. Try out different hop flavor and aromas. 
2. Propagate yeast for a wee heavy (using scottish ale yeast)
3. I am familiar enough with hops like Amarillo, Simcoe, Citra, Nelson, etc. to know what to expect from their flavor/aroma profile.

Decisions, decisions, decisions....thank for the insight erockrph :D
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: hoser on October 12, 2012, 03:38:50 AM
Interesting aromatics from a freshly opened bag:  dank, musty, wet grass.  None of the aroma/flavor descriptors from the website.  Curious to see how this changes in the wort and beer...
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: erockrph on October 12, 2012, 11:58:41 AM
Interesting aromatics from a freshly opened bag:  dank, musty, wet grass.  None of the aroma/flavor descriptors from the website.  Curious to see how this changes in the wort and beer...

I had a similar experience with Caliente. I ended up getting an awesome fresh peach/plum aroma in the finished beer that I didn't get off the hops themselves. I did find that with quite a few hops the aroma off the raw hops was closer to the flavor I got in the beer than the aroma.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: markaberrant on October 24, 2012, 10:04:39 PM
Had a very light pale ale (4%) sitting on an ounce of Belma since last Friday, so 5 days.  Took a sample, fairly disappointing... especially compared to the other kegs I had also just dry hopped (2 other 4% pale ales, 1 with US Goldings, the other with Citra). 

Pretty much duplicated my observations when smelling all 3 packages of hops last week, the Belma was by far the mildest and least interesting.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: stlaleman on November 03, 2012, 03:12:02 PM
Kegged a batch of American Wheat made with Belma today. I like this hop, citrussy with an orange character. Check my blog, Penrose Picobrewery for recipe.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: markaberrant on November 05, 2012, 08:30:08 PM
It's extremely mild and soft.  Sure it is pleasant, but 1oz in a 4% pale ale contributed virtually zilch.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: mybeerpants on November 08, 2012, 08:40:56 PM
I ordered a pound of Belma pellets (along with 3 others  :P ) yesterday and plan to make an all Belma IPA in the near future. Belmapocalypse IPATM here I come!
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: hoser on November 08, 2012, 09:35:52 PM
Had a very light pale ale (4%) sitting on an ounce of Belma since last Friday, so 5 days.  Took a sample, fairly disappointing... especially compared to the other kegs I had also just dry hopped (2 other 4% pale ales, 1 with US Goldings, the other with Citra). 

Pretty much duplicated my observations when smelling all 3 packages of hops last week, the Belma was by far the mildest and least interesting.

I have noted this as well.  Compared to other high alpha aromatic hops, this one is VERY subdued.  I will say, however, the flavor is pleasant and inviting despite being mild.

Did a low gravity Northern Brewer LME MO blonde with 1/4oz at 20min, 1/2oz at 10min, 2oz in hop rocket and 1oz. dry hop.  The beer is pleasant and well balanced.  The SO likes it, so that is a win.  As mentioned, mild strawberry and melon flavors.  Citrus/crisp when cold, but seems to fades as it warms.  Low levels of grassy notes.  I think it would definitely be a good compliment to a strawberry wheat or blonde, but other hops would be better used in a hop forward beer like APA or IPA....
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: 1vertical on November 11, 2012, 10:25:10 PM
I got my (pound) in this last week...How did they cram that much greenry
into that mylar...man this was what i would call a LONG pound.
Thank-you Hops Direct! Thank you forum members for the information and insight!

Brew day forthcoming  just not sure when...better get busy cause the world
is going to end next month!
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: alcaponejunior on November 12, 2012, 05:14:34 PM
I ordered a pound of Belma pellets (along with 3 others  :P ) yesterday and plan to make an all Belma IPA in the near future. Belmapocalypse IPATM here I come!

I was thinking about the same thing, an all Belma IPA.  That name is great! 

But then as 1vertical said...

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better get busy cause the world is going to end next month!

How many end of the world IPAs are going to be brewed this month? 

And should I take the hops schedule I was going to use and just double it?  ::)
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: nateo on November 12, 2012, 05:24:33 PM
Why does anyone take the Mayan end of the world seriously, when the end of their world came 520 years earlier than they expected. That's not a stellar record (pun intended).
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: 1vertical on November 12, 2012, 05:29:01 PM
Speaking for myself, No I do not take that date as having any credence
to the end of days.  But for those that do (i actually know someone who
does) you better get brewing!

I was going to do an all Belma Hop Brew.  Thinking several additions with
a full ounce going in for the entire boil including FWH.  Based upon style,
O.G. target, and not a huge hop presence. Prolly aim for 35-45 IBU.
I have some safeale 189 and some nice light pils malt....(thanx bb)
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: morticaixavier on November 12, 2012, 05:37:18 PM
Why does anyone take the Mayan end of the world seriously, when the end of their world came 520 years earlier than they expected. That's not a stellar record (pun intended).

there are an awful lot of mayans out there who would beg to differ. The end of the empire may have happened 520 years ago but the culture persists today. that being said, alot of mayans think the obession with the mayan end of the world is pretty silly to.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: alcaponejunior on November 12, 2012, 05:44:47 PM
I take the end of the world seriously (as a serious excuse to have a party, that is). ::D
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: nateo on November 12, 2012, 05:48:31 PM
there are an awful lot of mayans out there who would beg to differ. The end of the empire may have happened 520 years ago but the culture persists today. that being said, alot of mayans think the obession with the mayan end of the world is pretty silly to.

I agree there are still descendants of Mayans alive today, though there are basically no pure-blood Mayans (if there ever were to begin with) and in every meaningful way they're a different people today than they were pre-contact. A lot of Mayans these days are protestants, though that's a fairly recent development. Many were Catholics before that.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: 1vertical on December 28, 2012, 06:22:52 AM
Speaking for myself, No I do not take that date as having any credence
to the end of days.  But for those that do (i actually know someone who
does) you better get brewing!

I was going to do an all Belma Hop Brew.  Thinking several additions with
a full ounce going in for the entire boil including FWH.  Based upon style,
O.G. target, and not a huge hop presence. Prolly aim for 35-45 IBU.
I have some safeale 189 and some nice light pils malt....(thanx bb)

Hyd. Tube of primary to secondary transfer with this beer was an interesting
Orange/tangerene note on the back of the tongue.  Nice ....pleasant
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: alcaponejunior on December 28, 2012, 02:48:06 PM
I ordered a pound of Belma pellets (along with 3 others  :P ) yesterday and plan to make an all Belma IPA in the near future. Belmapocalypse IPATM here I come!

All belma IPA... done (https://alcaponejunior.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/belma-ipa/).  Haven't bottled yet tho.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: ibru on December 28, 2012, 05:41:07 PM
Please keep us posted how the IPA turns out. I picked up a pound a month ago when I stopped there. I'm thinking of using them in a lighter beer (blonde or wheat) as suggested earlier.

Bruce
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: Crispy275 on January 02, 2013, 09:00:40 PM
I brewed the 2008 Big Brew recipe (Fill in the Hop Blonde Ale) a few days ago.

For 12 gallons I added one ounce at 60 minutes, 2 ounces at 3 minutes and 2 ounces at knockout. I have found that I get a fair amount of flavor even with the very late additions as my wort chiller takes almost 15 minutes to cool everything down.

I will rack it over in a week and determine at that time if it should be dry hopped, or even just dry hop one of the carboys and not the others.

Will provide tasting notes at that time.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: alcaponejunior on January 16, 2013, 10:32:44 PM
More on Belma hops.  I just popped the second bottle.

http://alcaponejunior.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/belma-ipa/#comment-1204 (http://alcaponejunior.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/belma-ipa/#comment-1204)

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OK. It’s been a week, and I’m trying the second bottle of this one.

It’s better conditioned now, although will probably still do well with another week or so of conditioning.

Appearance is pretty murky, light brown or dark tan, with a great, lasting head and awesome lacing. Appearance could improve.

The bitterness is about right for what I had in mind. It’s not overly bitter, but is sufficiently so. I didn’t intend it to be heavily bitter.

Flavor is a bit less that what I’d find optimal for an IPA. I think it needs something besides just belma… cascade might be nice. Late hopping with belma probably isn’t the way to go.

Aroma is pretty good, but if you compare it to something like Ruination, this beer falls short.

Now I know I’m not an expert like Mitch at Stone, but I think this beer was done properly enough to draw reasonable conclusions from this tasting.

I am going to say that belma is a good bittering hop, good for milder beers that don’t require that sharp, pungent, in-your-face hop forwardness like AIPAs or DIPAs. It would probably be better suited to English styles, mildly hopped American styles, or as a general bittering hop.

I do like the aroma that the dry hops lent to this beer, but it’s again not really IPA worthy. Again, good for styles that are less hoppy than IPAs.

I am still quite pleased with my Belma hops, I just won’t use them for super cheep IPA hops. They won’t go to waste, however. I will use them as a general bittering hop, or a hop for milder beer styles. Short of doing a side-by-side with magnum or warrior, I can’t say whether they’d really be a replacement. I don’t intend to do such a comparison, BTW! These will be fine for bittering.

In the end, I’ll drink every one of my somewhat milder than expected Belma IPA. It was a good experiment, and the beer is pretty good anyway.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: davidgzach on January 17, 2013, 12:11:42 AM
Was wondering about the Belma.  Thanks for posting.

Dave
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: reverseapachemaster on January 17, 2013, 04:04:11 PM
Is anybody noticing any desirable/undesirable flavors coming from using belma as a bittering hop? I'd love to be able to use some of the belma I ordered as a general bittering hop but I don't necessarily want to see those flavors come through in all of my beers.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: bwana on January 17, 2013, 05:41:04 PM
Is anybody noticing any desirable/undesirable flavors coming from using belma as a bittering hop? I'd love to be able to use some of the belma I ordered as a general bittering hop but I don't necessarily want to see those flavors come through in all of my beers.
My ESB came out very clean. I would not be afraid to bitter anything other than a Pil's. I think this hop will find a place with Belgian style beers.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: 1vertical on May 21, 2013, 05:35:14 AM
Ok update as I just tapped the Pilsner/Belma Keg and she is a good one.
The mandarin/cutie orange flavor is definately there. I do Like this hop.
And IMO it would be great in a belgian. I hope Puterbaugh keeps it in
production. The intro price was unbeatable.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: reverseapachemaster on May 21, 2013, 01:08:59 PM
I've used it in a couple beers for bittering and one used it for bittering, flavor and aroma. No weird off flavors that I detect. I also used it as a dry hop in a wild beer. Pairs really well with that funky brett character.
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: 1vertical on May 22, 2013, 02:29:08 AM
I put it in about a 40 ibu ESB and it is not as orangy in flavor but it did
balance the malt. No weird off flavors.  I do prefer the noble hop over this FWIW
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: euge on May 22, 2013, 06:11:38 PM
I'm finally gonna use what you sent in an ale this weekend. I've been out of beer for about 6 weeks... no gumption to brew but need is overpowering my procrastination. 8)
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: yso191 on May 22, 2013, 10:21:37 PM
I've only used Belma once in a Saison.  I used only 4 oz. in a 5 gal. batch and got no hop flavor that I could detect.  It was an OK beer, my review is here: http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=15143.msg192302#msg192302

I suspected that the Total Oil (Mls. per 100 grams dried hops) was low so I emailed Hops Direct and asked.  I just got the response: "The total oil content for Belma is 0.8"   So it is on the low side.  He did not give me a breakdown on the types of oils and their percentages.  Next time I will really load up the flavor additions.

For a comparison, Citra is 2.2-2.8. 
Title: Re: Belma Hops?!?!?
Post by: 1vertical on May 22, 2013, 10:54:53 PM
After reading your thread, I realized that I neglected to say I used Lager yeast with the belma
and got that orange thang. (s-189 thanks boulderbrewer) so yes maybe it is a contribution
from the yeast hop interaction that plays interesting with Belma... :-\