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Title: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: liquidbrewing on October 16, 2012, 01:45:56 PM
I was just wondering if anyone knew when this year's crop would be coming in for purchase?  I usually order certain varieties from Hops Direct and some from Northern, I haven't found any Simcoe.  Even think I'll get any Simcoe this year?

Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: davidgzach on October 16, 2012, 01:53:52 PM
Already in at Hops direct for whole hops.  Amarillo was out when I ordered.  Don't remember Simcoe.

Dave
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: blatz on October 16, 2012, 02:00:04 PM
freshops has 2012 simcoe, fyi
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: erockrph on October 16, 2012, 02:16:50 PM
Thanks for the tip. They also have Amarillo and Centennial for anyone who is looking.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: beersk on October 16, 2012, 03:20:09 PM
When are the pellets going to be out for sale?
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: erockrph on October 16, 2012, 03:31:54 PM
When are the pellets going to be out for sale?

Freshops only carries leaf IIRC. I've seen a few varieties of pellets start to trickle in at other suppliers. I'd say between now and early December is when the bulk of the pellet hops will become available.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: blatz on October 16, 2012, 03:35:33 PM
When are the pellets going to be out for sale?

Freshops only carries leaf IIRC. I've seen a few varieties of pellets start to trickle in at other suppliers. I'd say between now and early December is when the bulk of the pellet hops will become available.

yeah - Hopsdirect usually starts pelletizing around the beginning of November and releasing as they become available through the remainder of the year, then the imports start showing up at the end of December/beginning of Jan, at least that's how its been in years past.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: brewmichigan on October 16, 2012, 03:42:47 PM
FWIW, I have bought Columbus from HopsDirect the last 3 years and they have always been terrific. This year they are 17.1%!!! I hope they smell as great as they did last year.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: Mark G on October 16, 2012, 04:09:13 PM
Hops Direct posted on their Facebook page a couple weeks ago that 2012 pellets will start becoming available towards the end of this month.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: bluesman on October 16, 2012, 04:21:08 PM
Will they have Citra pellets?  I missed out on the leaf from Hops Direct.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: erockrph on October 16, 2012, 06:10:35 PM
FWIW, I have bought Columbus from HopsDirect the last 3 years and they have always been terrific. This year they are 17.1%!!! I hope they smell as great as they did last year.

Amen to that! The Columbus I got from HopsDirect last year smelled like opening a bag of the stickiest kind, um, "stuff" I've ever experienced. It smells so good I almost hate to waste it on bittering.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: blatz on October 16, 2012, 06:35:26 PM
Will they have Citra pellets?  I missed out on the leaf from Hops Direct.

Ron - I imagine that they will - the same thing happened to me last year, but I was able to pick up pellets later on in the year.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on October 16, 2012, 06:51:40 PM
My local has had all of the hot hops for sale all year. Since I still have left over Amarillo, Simcoe and Citra the new crop came and went on me without much angst.

The European hops are a dfferent story. Went through a bunch last year. Will buy a few pounds around the New Year.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: davidgzach on October 16, 2012, 06:52:50 PM
WOW, Freshops is expensive compared to Hops Direct.  I think I'll wait for the pellets and pick up some Simcoe, Citra, and Amarillo.

Dave
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: blatz on October 16, 2012, 06:59:29 PM
WOW, Freshops is expensive compared to Hops Direct.  I think I'll wait for the pellets and pick up some Simcoe, Citra, and Amarillo.

Dave

just a heads up, but, you aren't going to be able to get Simcoe pellets from hopsdirect. $1.85 p/o of simcoe is pretty much going rate.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: beersk on October 16, 2012, 07:48:15 PM
WOW, Freshops is expensive compared to Hops Direct.  I think I'll wait for the pellets and pick up some Simcoe, Citra, and Amarillo.

Dave

just a heads up, but, you aren't going to be able to get Simcoe pellets from hopsdirect. $1.85 p/o of simcoe is pretty much going rate.
Which freakin' sucks...why don't they just release it already and make more of it! It's a hop variety I want to put in all of my hoppy beers.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: blatz on October 16, 2012, 08:01:50 PM
WOW, Freshops is expensive compared to Hops Direct.  I think I'll wait for the pellets and pick up some Simcoe, Citra, and Amarillo.

Dave

just a heads up, but, you aren't going to be able to get Simcoe pellets from hopsdirect. $1.85 p/o of simcoe is pretty much going rate.
Which freakin' sucks...why don't they just release it already and make more of it! It's a hop variety I want to put in all of my hoppy beers.

I hear ya, but its similar to drug patenting - if the original breeder/developer had no prospect of excess profits either via exclusivity or franchising, then there would be little incentive to develop new varietals. 
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on October 16, 2012, 08:14:59 PM
Simcoe was only grown on 3 farms in 2011. Peterbaugh (hopsdirect) was not one of those 3.

The acres have gone up in 2012. Don't know if it is still the same 3 farms or more.
From the USDA, simcoe acres.
2011=495
2012=922

Those would be first year plants in the increased acreage, but they can get a good yield the first year in the Yakima Valley, 50 to 80% of the mature plant depending on the variety and year (so they say).

Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: blatz on October 16, 2012, 08:19:45 PM
some good, related info on this thread: http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=5251.0

don't touch that dial, back to your regularly scheduled programming...
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: davidgzach on October 16, 2012, 09:57:04 PM
WOW, Freshops is expensive compared to Hops Direct.  I think I'll wait for the pellets and pick up some Simcoe, Citra, and Amarillo.

Dave

just a heads up, but, you aren't going to be able to get Simcoe pellets from hopsdirect. $1.85 p/o of simcoe is pretty much going rate.

Good to know, thanks.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: nateo on October 19, 2012, 02:09:32 AM
I hear ya, but its similar to drug patenting - if the original breeder/developer had no prospect of excess profits either via exclusivity or franchising, then there would be little incentive to develop new varietals.

Well, Chinook, Cascade, Liberty, Mt. Hood, etc. were all developed in public/private partnerships by people who liked hops (OSU researchers) for hop farmers and people who use hops (B/M/C). Sometimes people just create to make the world a better place. New hops are good for everyone involved in hops, and rising tides lift all boats. But, if you want to make a bunch of cash in a hurry, patents are the way to go.

Luckily for everyone, Jonas Salk lived in a time before big pharma.   
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on October 19, 2012, 01:19:38 PM
I hear ya, but its similar to drug patenting - if the original breeder/developer had no prospect of excess profits either via exclusivity or franchising, then there would be little incentive to develop new varietals.

Well, Chinook, Cascade, Liberty, Mt. Hood, etc. were all developed in public/private partnerships by people who liked hops (OSU researchers) for hop farmers and people who use hops (B/M/C). Sometimes people just create to make the world a better place. New hops are good for everyone involved in hops, and rising tides lift all boats. But, if you want to make a bunch of cash in a hurry, patents are the way to go.

Luckily for everyone, Jonas Salk lived in a time before big pharma.

The BMC type breweries funded that work. They wanted high alpha hops so they could use less for bittering. The Hallertau derivatives were developed as an alternative to imported hops. Both were many saving strategies.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: nateo on October 19, 2012, 02:23:33 PM
The BMC type breweries funded that work. They wanted high alpha hops so they could use less for bittering. The Hallertau derivatives were developed as an alternative to imported hops. Both were many saving strategies.

It wasn't just BMC funding that research. OSU is a public institution. They receive government funding. We all paid for those hops to be developed. BMC paid more than most of us, but they benefited more than most of us. The hops farmers wanted more disease-resistant hops, too.

My problem with patented hops is the person who patents the hops didn't develop that variety all by themself. Just look at the Tomahawk/Zeus. Zimmerman quit the USDA and began private hop breeding, using unreleased germplasms he took from the USDA for his personal profit. We don't really have idea what the lineage of Simcoe or the other patented hops are, or if they're based on stolen publicly-funded germplasms or not.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on October 19, 2012, 02:49:41 PM
The BMC type breweries funded that work. They wanted high alpha hops so they could use less for bittering. The Hallertau derivatives were developed as an alternative to imported hops. Both were many saving strategies.

It wasn't just BMC funding that research. OSU is a public institution. They receive government funding. We all paid for those hops to be developed. BMC paid more than most of us, but they benefited more than most of us. The hops farmers wanted more disease-resistant hops, too.

My problem with patented hops is the person who patents the hops didn't develop that variety all by themself. Just look at the Tomahawk/Zeus. Zimmerman quit the USDA and began private hop breeding, using unreleased germplasms he took from the USDA for his personal profit. We don't really have idea what the lineage of Simcoe or the other patented hops are, or if they're based on stolen publicly-funded germplasms or not.

I agree that OSU has many revenue streams as a public institution. Ask why they aren't releasing new hop varieties today? If you are familiar with Indiehops, you know that they were set up to fund new hop breeding at OSU and get the program going agian.

The CTZ thing is interesting if you do some deep dives into it on the web.



Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: beersk on October 19, 2012, 04:06:41 PM
Who knew hops were so controversial...
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: nateo on October 19, 2012, 05:00:31 PM
Missouri has a research institute devoted to developing new viticulture techniques and breeding programs for midwest-friendly grape varieties. It's funded through a ~$0.35/barrel excise tax on all wine produced in the state. All wineries in MO are mandatory members of this group, and they all benefit from the fruits of the labor.

With ~200m barrels produced per year, even a $0.05 increase in the beer excise tax would raise $10m/year for beer research. I'm not sure why brewers don't lobby for something like this when they're all desperate to get the latest/greatest hop varieties, and paying through the nose to get them when they can. Just check out the probrewer forums and search for "Simcoe."
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on October 19, 2012, 07:08:27 PM
There is some good logic to that.

Stan Heironymus said that the German Government has funding to develope new hops at the Hull Research Institute. High Alpha and Aroma hops. They see what is happening in the US and see how the hop farmers can benefit.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: nateo on October 19, 2012, 08:34:36 PM
I had that figure wrong, it's $0.12/gallon on consumer wine sales, not excise. It funds the Wine and Grape Board, which underwrites the Institute for Continental Climate Viticulture and Enology, which is a branch of Mizzou college of agriculture.

Pre-prohibition Missouri was the biggest wine producer in the country, and they're trying really hard to get there again.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: erockrph on October 19, 2012, 11:39:58 PM
Stan Heironymus said that the German Government has funding to develope new hops at the Hull Research Institute. High Alpha and Aroma hops. They see what is happening in the US and see how the hop farmers can benefit.

They're starting to trickle in over here in the US as well. Just got some Polaris (21.3% AA!!!) in today from Nikobrew. Very curious to try these puppies out.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on October 20, 2012, 12:03:58 AM
Stan Heironymus said that the German Government has funding to develope new hops at the Hull Research Institute. High Alpha and Aroma hops. They see what is happening in the US and see how the hop farmers can benefit.

They're starting to trickle in over here in the US as well. Just got some Polaris (21.3% AA!!!) in today from Nikobrew. Very curious to try these puppies out.

That may have been the one he had the picture of, that were about 30 ft. high and looked like trees, with about 2800 lbs per acre IIRC. Listen to his talk from the NHC if you are a memeber.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: wayne1 on October 20, 2012, 12:35:13 AM
FYI:

Farmhouse Brewing has 2012 Simcoe pellets in stock. They do offer pounds for $19.00.

They also have the very rare 2012 Nelson Sauvin pellets at an almost reasonable $23.00 a pound.

I ordered both today

Farmhouse Brewing Supply hops by the pound (http://www.farmhousebrewingsupply.com/scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=111)
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: nateo on October 20, 2012, 12:38:09 AM
I was listening to Stan Hieronymus' presentation and my wife overheard. She said Stan sounds like a cartoon character of what a beer nerd would sound like. She meant that in the nicest way possible.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on October 20, 2012, 01:12:43 AM
I was listening to Stan Hieronymus' presentation and my wife overheard. She said Stan sounds like a cartoon character of what a beer nerd would sound like. She meant that in the nicest way possible.

He does write good books that have been well researched. I look forward to his hop book.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: nateo on October 21, 2012, 12:32:37 AM
Stan Hieronymus is definitely my favorite beer author. I love that he doesn't pretend to be an "expert" on anything, so he seeks out a lot of different experts to inform his views, then he synthesizes that to a clear, concise form.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: Mark G on October 30, 2012, 09:23:28 PM
Hopsdirect is starting to release 2012 pellets this Friday, starting with Centennial and Cascade. Farmhouse Brewing Supply has 2012 pellets of Simcoe and Amarillo already available.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: erockrph on October 31, 2012, 12:26:57 AM
Hopsdirect is starting to release 2012 pellets this Friday, starting with Centennial and Cascade. Farmhouse Brewing Supply has 2012 pellets of Simcoe and Amarillo already available.

Already sold out!

They do have some Riwaka in stock, though. (limit one 4oz bag)
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: beersk on October 31, 2012, 01:44:20 PM
Hopsdirect is starting to release 2012 pellets this Friday, starting with Centennial and Cascade. Farmhouse Brewing Supply has 2012 pellets of Simcoe and Amarillo already available.
Now how do you know that?

I can't believe Simcoe and Amarillo are selling out so quickly, it's depressing :(  I want to get my hands on at least a pound of Simcoe this year.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: blatz on October 31, 2012, 01:48:19 PM
Now how do you know that?

Facebook
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: guido on October 31, 2012, 02:22:46 PM
I got my hops from fresh hops.  They look wonderful, but, as I feared, they're not sealed well.  I think my best plan would be to split them into smaller packages with a vacuum sealer and keep them frozen.  I'm hoping they'll stay good for a year.  Where's nitrogen when ya need it.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: brewmichigan on October 31, 2012, 03:27:19 PM
I got my hops from fresh hops.  They look wonderful, but, as I feared, they're not sealed well.  I think my best plan would be to split them into smaller packages with a vacuum sealer and keep them frozen.  I'm hoping they'll stay good for a year.  Where's nitrogen when ya need it.

I always do this with my hops from freshops and they stay nice and fresh for up to 2 years, sometimes more. I'm still using zues from last year and they are great.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: blatz on October 31, 2012, 03:31:24 PM
I always do this with my hops from freshops and they stay nice and fresh for up to 2 years, sometimes more.

ditto

Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: guido on October 31, 2012, 03:33:59 PM
I always do this with my hops from freshops and they stay nice and fresh for up to 2 years, sometimes more.

ditto

I feel relieved now.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: Mark G on October 31, 2012, 07:02:37 PM
Now how do you know that?

Facebook
Yep... Also, Farmhouse keeps releasing more Amarillo and Simcoe, so keep an eye on their FB and website. It's a small operation and I don't think he wants to get overwhelmed with orders all at once. Very reasonable pricing too. I don't remember exactly what I paid, but Simcoe was under 20 bucks a pound.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: beersk on October 31, 2012, 07:28:00 PM
Now how do you know that?

Facebook
Yep... Also, Farmhouse keeps releasing more Amarillo and Simcoe, so keep an eye on their FB and website. It's a small operation and I don't think he wants to get overwhelmed with orders all at once. Very reasonable pricing too. I don't remember exactly what I paid, but Simcoe was under 20 bucks a pound.

Well, sheeeeeeit, I'm not on Fakebook.  I'll have to keep a look out other ways.
Title: Re: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: blatz on October 31, 2012, 07:41:24 PM
Now how do you know that?

Facebook
Yep... Also, Farmhouse keeps releasing more Amarillo and Simcoe, so keep an eye on their FB and website. It's a small operation and I don't think he wants to get overwhelmed with orders all at once. Very reasonable pricing too. I don't remember exactly what I paid, but Simcoe was under 20 bucks a pound.

agreed - I got 2lbs of Simcoe from Farmhouse last week - good looking stuff. 18.99/#
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: gymrat on November 01, 2012, 02:21:52 PM
Am I the only one who shops at http://yakimavalleyhops.com ? Good prices and I usually have my hops in 2 days. Plus they take paypal.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: erockrph on November 01, 2012, 03:49:43 PM
Am I the only one who shops at http://yakimavalleyhops.com ? Good prices and I usually have my hops in 2 days. Plus they take paypal.

Plus great service and a good selection. And they are very responsive to questions, especially on their Facebook page. I'm a big fan.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: BrewingRover on November 01, 2012, 05:33:03 PM
Hopsdirect is starting to release 2012 pellets this Friday, starting with Centennial and Cascade. Farmhouse Brewing Supply has 2012 pellets of Simcoe and Amarillo already available.
Now how do you know that?

I can't believe Simcoe and Amarillo are selling out so quickly, it's depressing :(  I want to get my hands on at least a pound of Simcoe this year.

Freshops still has leaf of both, with up to five pounds of Simcoe. I'm well stocked on both, but it's always tempting to buy more :)

I'm hoping Hopsdirect has some Citra pellets this year. I've done an APA that's got a ton late that my wife loves.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: roguejim on November 01, 2012, 06:31:20 PM
I'm wondering if Hops Direct will be imposing the 1-lb limit on various varieties like Amarillo, Centennial...
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: blatz on November 01, 2012, 06:35:13 PM
I'm wondering if Hops Direct will be imposing the 1-lb limit on various varieties like Amarillo, Centennial...

they've already said they would...

Quote from: hopsdirect
Please be advised, some hops have a limit of 1 pound per customer, per variety. This year was a light crop year and we want as many of you to get some as possible.

Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: nateo on November 01, 2012, 06:57:25 PM
AHA hop contract group buy?
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: Alewyfe on November 02, 2012, 10:50:46 PM
AHA hop contract group buy?
Sign me up.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: gymrat on November 02, 2012, 11:19:48 PM
That would be a really nice perk for membership.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: maxieboy on November 02, 2012, 11:47:47 PM
2# Simcoe from Farmhouse arriving Monday. Woot! With my stock from last year, I'm set through next year... ;D
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: Mark G on November 03, 2012, 02:18:24 AM
Hopsdirect has Cascade and Centennial up. Limits are 2 lb for Cascade and 1 lb for Centennial.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: tygo on November 03, 2012, 03:01:32 AM
Hopsdirect has Cascade and Centennial up. Limits are 2 lb for Cascade and 1 lb for Centennial.

Nice, thanks for the heads up.  Picked up a lb of Centennial and threw in a lb of Belma to make the shipping worthwhile.  For $6 a lb might as well try it out.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: BrewingRover on November 10, 2012, 12:52:09 AM
Hops Direct released a bunch more pellets tonight, including Amarillo and Citra. They're going fast, though.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: Mark G on November 10, 2012, 01:02:21 AM
Hurry up... I just placed an order and Citra and Amarillo were both down to 40ish left.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: BrewingRover on November 10, 2012, 01:11:07 AM
Hurry up... I just placed an order and Citra and Amarillo were both down to 40ish left.

I waited until my order went through to post  8)
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: hoser on November 10, 2012, 01:37:26 AM
Gone  >:( :( >:( :( :'(
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: tygo on November 10, 2012, 03:26:38 AM
Gone  >:( :( >:( :( :'(

That was fast.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: beersk on November 10, 2012, 03:37:22 AM
They said 5pm PST, which is 7pm for me. I got on at about 6:57pm CST and they were almost gone already.  I just want to say that I am disappointed, depressed, disheartened. I know they're just hops and all...but come on...
 I didn't know they'd post them for sale until 5pm PST until about 3pm my time, so I was hitting refresh ALL DAY. I had even set a reminder a week or two ago to check in the morning.  I know life isn't fair and all, but how could they sell out in a matter of minutes?  Puts the cherry on top of an already sh*t day.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: BrewingRover on November 10, 2012, 04:17:54 AM
They said 5pm PST, which is 7pm for me. I got on at about 6:57pm CST and they were almost gone already.  I just want to say that I am disappointed, depressed, disheartened. I know they're just hops and all...but come on...
 I didn't know they'd post them for sale until 5pm PST until about 3pm my time, so I was hitting refresh ALL DAY. I had even set a reminder a week or two ago to check in the morning.  I know life isn't fair and all, but how could they sell out in a matter of minutes?  Puts the cherry on top of an already sh*t day.
They had less than 150 pounds of Citra when I was there at 6:50 or so CST. My guess is that they couldn't get much, since it wasn't from their own farm. So even limiting to 1 pound per order didn't take long to clean them out.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: dannyjed on November 10, 2012, 02:11:25 PM
I'm coming to the realization that I won't get any Amarillo hops this year and it feels like I've lost a loved one. :'(
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on November 10, 2012, 03:12:09 PM
I'm coming to the realization that I won't get any Amarillo hops this year and it feels like I've lost a loved one. :'(
Turn that frown into a smiley?
http://www.freshops.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?search=action&category=HOPS&keywords=all&template=PDGCommTemplates/hops.html
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: dannyjed on November 10, 2012, 05:06:11 PM
I'm coming to the realization that I won't get any Amarillo hops this year and it feels like I've lost a loved one. :'(
Turn that frown into a smiley?
http://www.freshops.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?search=action&category=HOPS&keywords=all&template=PDGCommTemplates/hops.html
Thanks Jeff! I prefer pellets, but I will take what I can get at this point.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: skyler on November 13, 2012, 09:35:27 PM
You know, in the past that when the hops I wanted weren't available, I took my bad luck as an opportunity to try out different hop varieties. A few years back during the hop crisis (was it 2008?), there wasn't as much demand for Nelson Sauvin, and I was pretty happy with the beers it made. Two years ago, I wasn't able to get any Simcoe, so I bought a pound of Apollo and was surprised by how bold and interesting the flavor and aroma was (I still consider it to be the #1 most underrated hop). So I say, try out some varieties you aren't familiar with. I know that, despite the "onion/garlic" thing many people get from Summit, I love that hop, and it is usually pretty readily available. And for every wonderful Simcoe/Amarillo IPA out there, there are plenty of delicious Summit/Apollo beers waiting to be brewed.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: beerlord on November 13, 2012, 09:48:51 PM
Farmhouse Brewing Supply should have some Simcoe in tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: dannyjed on November 13, 2012, 11:55:54 PM
You know, in the past that when the hops I wanted weren't available, I took my bad luck as an opportunity to try out different hop varieties. A few years back during the hop crisis (was it 2008?), there wasn't as much demand for Nelson Sauvin, and I was pretty happy with the beers it made. Two years ago, I wasn't able to get any Simcoe, so I bought a pound of Apollo and was surprised by how bold and interesting the flavor and aroma was (I still consider it to be the #1 most underrated hop). So I say, try out some varieties you aren't familiar with. I know that, despite the "onion/garlic" thing many people get from Summit, I love that hop, and it is usually pretty readily available. And for every wonderful Simcoe/Amarillo IPA out there, there are plenty of delicious Summit/Apollo beers waiting to be brewed.
I agree with you and I'll have to try some Apollo.  I did order some Simcoe and Amarillo from Fresh hops though because I just can't do without them.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: beersk on November 14, 2012, 02:48:31 PM
You know, in the past that when the hops I wanted weren't available, I took my bad luck as an opportunity to try out different hop varieties. A few years back during the hop crisis (was it 2008?), there wasn't as much demand for Nelson Sauvin, and I was pretty happy with the beers it made. Two years ago, I wasn't able to get any Simcoe, so I bought a pound of Apollo and was surprised by how bold and interesting the flavor and aroma was (I still consider it to be the #1 most underrated hop). So I say, try out some varieties you aren't familiar with. I know that, despite the "onion/garlic" thing many people get from Summit, I love that hop, and it is usually pretty readily available. And for every wonderful Simcoe/Amarillo IPA out there, there are plenty of delicious Summit/Apollo beers waiting to be brewed.
I agree with you and I'll have to try some Apollo.  I did order some Simcoe and Amarillo from Fresh hops though because I just can't do without them.
I'm with you, I love Simcoe. And Amarillo has pretty much been impossible to get since I started brewing 4 years ago, so I haven't even bothered trying to get them much.  Someday...
But I like the idea of trying out different hops when you can't get the ones you really want.
Title: Re: 2012 Hop Crop?
Post by: dannyjed on November 16, 2012, 09:44:55 PM
My hops came in the mail today.  Let's just say I'm doin' an Amarillo/Simcoe dance :D