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Title: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: bluesman on October 24, 2012, 05:00:15 PM
Say that 10 times real fast.  ;D

Anyway, I thought it would be cool to see some funk!

I collaborated with a good freind of mine, aka "redbeerman", on a Saison experiment. Here is a photo of a pellicle that formed on one of our batches of Saison that was fermented using WLP565 and WLP650. The recipe includes the use of Tupelo honey and Muscat Grape Juice, along with some bitter dried orange peel and coriander. We used a standard saison recipe base malt formulation, Pils malt, 2 row and wheat malt along with just enough Hallertau (bittering) to balance the malt profile and give a hint of flavor.

Post your pellicle pic!

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/repricej/C197F092-AA54-4476-BB7F-B2B58A32AC72-15910-00001BB05431A615.jpg)
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on October 26, 2012, 06:34:55 PM
House Culture:

(https://instagr.am/p/VGDT6/media/?size=l)

Double batch of Flanders Red 2011:

(https://instagr.am/p/amFhO/media/?size=l)

Cultured dregs of Goose Island's Juliet:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A1vdUyUCcAAB0a_.jpg)
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: bluesman on October 26, 2012, 06:43:49 PM
Here's another pic of a pellicle from a Les Framboises du Mal.

George Clinton once said "If the funk was going to happen, I wanted to be there."

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LUmfIyj_kSI/TC1UNcVS0zI/AAAAAAAAAVY/usvsj0yzkwo/s1600/DSCN1537.JPG)
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: bluesman on October 26, 2012, 06:45:50 PM

Double batch of Flanders Red 2011:

(https://instagr.am/p/amFhO/media/?size=l)


What's the difference between the two beers? What strains did you use?
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on October 26, 2012, 06:54:58 PM

Double batch of Flanders Red 2011:


What's the difference between the two beers? What strains did you use?

The left was only my house culture of bottle dregs (from the pic above). The right was only Roselare.

The house culture was by FAR my favorite, a lot more depth and acidity than the Roselare. I think it was because the house culture was very active when I pitched. Either way, house culture is how I'm doing it from now on. It produces more unique sours AND gives me a reason to buy good commercial examples.
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: kramerog on October 26, 2012, 07:05:20 PM

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LUmfIyj_kSI/TC1UNcVS0zI/AAAAAAAAAVY/usvsj0yzkwo/s1600/DSCN1537.JPG)

No picture, but my pellicle looked like the above plus it had a graininess as if I sprinkled dried yeast on top of the pellicle.  The bug source was a handful of 2-row which I added to a no-boil wort to which I had added lactic acid to reach a pH of 4.5. 
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: morticaixavier on October 27, 2012, 06:40:26 AM
Okay here it is.
Wit beer with flaked rye and dried meyer lemon. Added persian mulberries to 1 gallon (1 lb) and ended up with this!!!!

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8043/8125784819_acd2d31e12.jpg)

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8326/8125729031_f397c2c57b.jpg)

turned out really good in my opinion. Wasn't the households favorite by any means but I LIKED it. Those mulberries were grown in Berkeley CA so I credit those SF bay area wild yeast
Title: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: bluesman on October 27, 2012, 07:28:55 PM
It's always exciting to see how the funky beers turn out. I love them too!

I have the Saison aging in a carboy right now. Hope to keg it sometime sooner than later though.
Title: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: mpietropaoli on October 28, 2012, 01:34:35 AM
Terrifying.  Simply terrifying.  Like the series premiere of the walking dead.  Terrifying I a way that I love.
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: dimik on October 28, 2012, 08:25:09 PM
Here is a pic of some wild yeasts I'm trying to culture and purify right now.
I took some jars with sterilized wort with me on my last hiking trip and collected some flowers and berries in upstate NY forest. Hope something interesting comes from it.

(http://s10.postimage.org/8kwk6n7bd/photo_2_small.jpg)
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: deepsouth on October 28, 2012, 11:22:17 PM
awesome thread.
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: macbrews on October 29, 2012, 12:16:58 AM
Here's another pic of a pellicle from a Les Framboises du Mal.

George Clinton once said "If the funk was going to happen, I wanted to be there."

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LUmfIyj_kSI/TC1UNcVS0zI/AAAAAAAAAVY/usvsj0yzkwo/s1600/DSCN1537.JPG)

That looks like an electron microscope picture of some part of your body.....
Title: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: bluesman on October 30, 2012, 02:58:36 AM
Amazing stuff. I'm always amazed by the formation of funk in my fermenter. :)
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: thomasben on November 15, 2012, 10:40:56 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/11/16/4edume6e.jpg)

Rye saison with jolly pumpkin dregs!
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: khillje on November 15, 2012, 10:49:10 PM
All beautiful and disgusting at the same time.  I'll assume all tasty too.
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: brewmasternpb on November 17, 2012, 06:55:00 AM
For the really bubbly, nasty pictures, about how long did fermentation take to get to that point?
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: thomasben on November 17, 2012, 02:48:21 PM
2-3 months
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: rjharper on November 28, 2012, 05:46:28 PM
I've had a vial of WLP655 pitched for about 4 months now and I've not seen a pellicle. It was 5 gallons of BDSA that had stopped at 1.035. A month ago I blended it with another 5 gallons of the same Batch that had sat on sour cherries with Brett. The brett is noticeable but I think I need more sour. Should I just be patient or repitch more bugs?  Also, what temp should it be sitting at? I want a big gnarly pellicle that will scare my GF!!
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: AmandaK on November 28, 2012, 06:50:14 PM
Great thread Ron!


EDIT***I fail at uploading pics. :o
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: mmitchem on November 28, 2012, 06:57:40 PM
Great thread Ron!

I have more picture than this, but here's what I have access to at the moment:

My first lambics looked like this (WY3278 & dregs) back in 2011 - I should post some more recent pictures of this guy, he's really gotten gnarly:
(https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=eaf92b7fc0&view=att&th=13b48537bfa38742&attid=0.1&disp=inline&realattid=1419906098139247389-1&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P9U8TDZ-53KH0aUiQJ-oZwU&sadet=1354128210668&sads=KHNQFPTexmzaNN1nCIHMdHojgJE&sadssc=1)


My most recent Golden Strong that I soured with Roeselare:
(https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=eaf92b7fc0&view=att&th=13b48537bfa38742&attid=0.3&disp=inline&realattid=1419906098139247389-3&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P9U8TDZ-53KH0aUiQJ-oZwU&sadet=1354128482899&sads=9kXyo15FB4HKefk9eI_RrN1mYik)

And my all time favorite is a BDSA that I added Wyeast Brett Lambicus to - wicked!:
(https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=eaf92b7fc0&view=att&th=13b4857f316438a8&attid=0.1&disp=inline&realattid=f_ha2t400g4&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P9U8TDZ-53KH0aUiQJ-oZwU&sadet=1354128445061&sads=54HnYJdhghLa-EUGrOwcWdiuLck)

I'll try and update when I get access to my real camera after work sometime.

The linkies no workie
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on December 03, 2012, 08:11:04 PM
"Homebrew Horny Tank" Wild Ale - Day 42:

(https://instagr.am/p/Stx6qxwoNS/media/?size=l)
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: dbarber on December 03, 2012, 08:49:53 PM
I've had a vial of WLP655 pitched for about 4 months now and I've not seen a pellicle. It was 5 gallons of BDSA that had stopped at 1.035. A month ago I blended it with another 5 gallons of the same Batch that had sat on sour cherries with Brett. The brett is noticeable but I think I need more sour. Should I just be patient or repitch more bugs?  Also, what temp should it be sitting at? I want a big gnarly pellicle that will scare my GF!!

I brewed a BDSA that was aged on sour cherries and I added a vial of Brett brux.  I didn't think it was sour enough so I ended up pitching the dregs from several bottles of Jolly Pumpkin beer.  After a year or so, it was at the sourness level I wanted.  I kept it at cellar temperatures which was low to mid 60s.
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on December 03, 2012, 09:22:21 PM
I've had a vial of WLP655 pitched for about 4 months now and I've not seen a pellicle. It was 5 gallons of BDSA that had stopped at 1.035. A month ago I blended it with another 5 gallons of the same Batch that had sat on sour cherries with Brett. The brett is noticeable but I think I need more sour. Should I just be patient or repitch more bugs?  Also, what temp should it be sitting at? I want a big gnarly pellicle that will scare my GF!!

Be patient - wlp655 has a strain of pedio, which is the only bacteria that will contribute sourness to your BDSA (the the abv and hopping rates are probably high enough to stun the lacto). Pedio is extremely slow to start, especially in secondary.

I do agree with dbarber - a few more pitches of bottle dregs would benefit the beer and give you an excuse to drink some sours!
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: bluesman on December 04, 2012, 02:15:38 AM
Great thread Ron!

I have more picture than this, but here's what I have access to at the moment:

My first lambics looked like this (WY3278 & dregs) back in 2011 - I should post some more recent pictures of this guy, he's really gotten gnarly:
(https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=eaf92b7fc0&view=att&th=13b48537bfa38742&attid=0.1&disp=inline&realattid=1419906098139247389-1&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P9U8TDZ-53KH0aUiQJ-oZwU&sadet=1354128210668&sads=KHNQFPTexmzaNN1nCIHMdHojgJE&sadssc=1)


My most recent Golden Strong that I soured with Roeselare:
(https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=eaf92b7fc0&view=att&th=13b48537bfa38742&attid=0.3&disp=inline&realattid=1419906098139247389-3&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P9U8TDZ-53KH0aUiQJ-oZwU&sadet=1354128482899&sads=9kXyo15FB4HKefk9eI_RrN1mYik)

And my all time favorite is a BDSA that I added Wyeast Brett Lambicus to - wicked!:
(https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/u/0/?ui=2&ik=eaf92b7fc0&view=att&th=13b4857f316438a8&attid=0.1&disp=inline&realattid=f_ha2t400g4&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P9U8TDZ-53KH0aUiQJ-oZwU&sadet=1354128445061&sads=54HnYJdhghLa-EUGrOwcWdiuLck)

I'll try and update when I get access to my real camera after work sometime.

Hi Amanda!

Your pics aren't showing in your post. How did you add your pics?
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: AmandaK on December 14, 2012, 06:07:22 PM

Hi Amanda!

Your pics aren't showing in your post. How did you add your pics?

Fail on my part!  ;D I'll get them up properly when I get some time to track down the files next week.
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: 1vertical on December 16, 2012, 03:55:42 PM
This was a while back. I need to open this cask up and see where it has gotten to by now.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a87/Vertical1/PellicleCherryBBL.jpg)
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: AmandaK on December 18, 2012, 08:15:41 PM
(http://cdn.homebrewtalk.com/images/5/1/8/2/7/bdsa-brett-l-57684.jpg)

A BDSA with Brett Lambicus. Can you guys see it now? :)
Title: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: bluesman on December 18, 2012, 08:44:03 PM
I can see it now. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on December 19, 2012, 01:44:34 PM
(http://cdn.homebrewtalk.com/images/5/1/8/2/7/bdsa-brett-l-57684.jpg)

A BDSA with Brett Lambicus. Can you guys see it now? :)

Is that carpet????

You are braver than I...
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: AmandaK on December 27, 2012, 09:03:33 PM
Is that carpet????

You are braver than I...

Indeed. A few batches after that one, I started putting a trash bag down to catch any spills. The joys of living in apartment for the time being, I guess.

When I get back home tonight, I should take some pictures of the lambic collection for you all.
Title: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: bluesman on December 28, 2012, 01:01:22 AM
A pic of my Saison in the secondary  inoculated with Brettanomyces bruxellensis.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/28/ude4a3yg.jpg)
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on December 28, 2012, 02:01:20 PM
Is that carpet????

You are braver than I...

Indeed. A few batches after that one, I started putting a trash bag down to catch any spills. The joys of living in apartment for the time being, I guess.

When I get back home tonight, I should take some pictures of the lambic collection for you all.

One word - FERMCAP

My only fermenter explosion was in an apartment. I found the airlock about 10 ft. away, and the walls/ceiling/carpet/kitchen table was COVERED in stout.
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: redbeerman on January 02, 2013, 07:12:40 PM
Flanders red

(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk32/redbeerman/pellicle_zpsd83aaddf.jpg)
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: Pinski on January 03, 2013, 03:35:49 PM
Flanders red

(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk32/redbeerman/pellicle_zpsd83aaddf.jpg)

Hey Red, is that a Roeselare pellicle?  I've had my first Flanders in the closet for about 4 months now and the pellicle is really just starting to build and it most resembles your photo.
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on January 03, 2013, 04:51:45 PM
Roselare on its own has never really produced a hearty pellicle for me (like some of those above). Just as well, it hasn't produced as much brett character as a lambic blend or house culture of dregs/etc. (I think that's the point of a designed Flanders blend, right?)

The brett does get more pronounced (as does the pellicle) in successive batches with the same initial culture.
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: redbeerman on January 03, 2013, 05:17:18 PM
Flanders red

(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk32/redbeerman/pellicle_zpsd83aaddf.jpg)

Hey Red, is that a Roeselare pellicle?  I've had my first Flanders in the closet for about 4 months now and the pellicle is really just starting to build and it most resembles your photo.

I pitched the lactobacillus and brett separately.  The lactobacillus was pitched at the beginning of the primary fermentation, a few days later I pitched the primary yeast (S-05).  The brett was pitched into the secondary.  After about a month I added some maltodextrin and corn sugar for extra food.  My plan is to inoculate some Muscat grape juice with lacto and pitch that in as well at some point in the future.
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: AmandaK on January 07, 2013, 02:26:44 AM
A few updates from my gueuze blending right before New Year's:

December 29, 2012 - Lambic Collection. Left to right: 2011, 2012a, 2012b, and the remaining 2010.
(http://cdn.homebrewtalk.com/images/5/1/8/2/7/121229-lambics-57933.jpg)

Up close of the 2010. 3 gallons of this made it into a gueuze and 2 gallons I bottled straight.
(http://cdn.homebrewtalk.com/images/5/1/8/2/7/121229-2010-lambic-57934.jpg)

Up close of both of the 2012 lambics:
(http://cdn.homebrewtalk.com/images/5/1/8/2/7/121229-2012-lambic-57935.jpg)
(http://cdn.homebrewtalk.com/images/5/1/8/2/7/121229-2012-lambic-2-57936.jpg)

Most recent picture of the sour collection, from left front to right back, 3 gallons 2012 lambic on tart cherries, 2011 lambic, 5 gallons 2012 lambic, then two Flanders Browns - one with WLP665, another with WY3763.
(http://cdn.homebrewtalk.com/images/5/1/8/2/7/121231-sour-collection-57937.jpg)
Title: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: bluesman on January 07, 2013, 12:33:25 PM
Nice Amanda! Can you bring a bottle or two to NHC in Philly? :)
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: AmandaK on January 07, 2013, 06:15:11 PM
Nice Amanda! Can you bring a bottle or two to NHC in Philly? :)

I wish I could! I doubt I'll be able to swing a trip this year though. Maybe next year!
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: reverseapachemaster on January 11, 2013, 03:21:24 AM
A few updates from my gueuze blending right before New Year's:

December 29, 2012 - Lambic Collection. Left to right: 2011, 2012a, 2012b, and the remaining 2010.
(http://cdn.homebrewtalk.com/images/5/1/8/2/7/121229-lambics-57933.jpg)

Are your lambics really as dark as they look in those pics? I haven't seen mine get that dark even after two years of aging and using red wheat.
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: AmandaK on January 11, 2013, 01:38:29 PM
A few updates from my gueuze blending right before New Year's:

December 29, 2012 - Lambic Collection. Left to right: 2011, 2012a, 2012b, and the remaining 2010.
(http://cdn.homebrewtalk.com/images/5/1/8/2/7/121229-lambics-57933.jpg)

Are your lambics really as dark as they look in those pics? I haven't seen mine get that dark even after two years of aging and using red wheat.

Full disclaimer: I'm an extract lambic brewer, so my lambics are a tad bit darker than others.

That being said, that picture is a crappy camera phone picture and it is ~ 8-10 SRM darker than reality. Also, once bottled, all of the lambics and blended gueuze came out to be roughly the same color, a nice copper (probably around 12-17 SRM if I had to guess). Tell me if that makes any sense!  :o
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on February 19, 2013, 05:58:44 PM
Breathing some life into this thread. I love it!

New house mixed culture. 48 hours after pitching:

(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/48104_590972569363_715656665_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: redbeerman on February 19, 2013, 06:03:39 PM
Breathing some life into this thread. I love it!

New house mixed culture. 48 hours after pitching:

(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/48104_590972569363_715656665_n.jpg)

Looks nasty good Kyle!
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: 1vertical on February 19, 2013, 07:19:33 PM
Man I would keep the solera going a while longer if I could get some
 ECY 20.....Bug Farm
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: bluesman on February 20, 2013, 01:58:51 AM
New house mixed culture.

Interesting...what's your house mix consist of ?

Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on February 20, 2013, 01:48:37 PM
New house mixed culture.

Interesting...what's your house mix consist of ?

Thanks for posting!

I haven't really standardized the "house" mix yet, but this one contains revitalized dregs from Jolly Pumpkin, Goose Island (Juliet), O'Dell (Meddler), and The Bruery (Rueuze). I also poured in some lacto, pedio, and sherry flor slurry.

After I drink a sour beer, I'll add ~ 50 mL starter wort to the bottle and wait for signs of activity before pitching into the starter. This also gives me a chance to check for off aromas/flavors beforehand.
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: 1vertical on June 28, 2013, 11:29:08 PM
Quart starter 2 weeks old of a culture I got from BK yeast.
He said it is the C3  Cantillon Iris isolate.  I did not see anything going
on until I gave it a little swirl...then viola...Thanks to Dimitri keep up the good work.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a87/Vertical1/CantillionPellicle_zps459cba58.jpg)
Title: Re: Post a pic of your Pellicle!
Post by: troybinso on June 29, 2013, 02:54:16 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/29/ju3u5u5a.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/06/29/yrugesa3.jpg)

Al B's ECY 01 Bug Farm