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Title: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: mrl115 on October 31, 2012, 02:56:33 PM
Hello, Homebrewing Hobbyists!

We need your help with a new National Science Foundation sponsored research study that will investigate the characteristics and educational experiences of people who are active in science hobbies. More and more people are engaging in science hobbies; schools and science centers would like to know more about the characteristics of science hobbyists and how these organizations might better support hobbyists’ networking and education.

What will happen if you take part in the study?

The information gained from this research can help science educators and researchers understand how to better teach science in schools and museums, and how to design better community-based science programs. Participation in this study is voluntary. Information you provide will be anonymous. If you complete the survey, you may elect to enter a drawing for a $100 Target gift card.

Please read the consent letter below and when you are ready to complete the survey click on this link
Survey Link: http://ncsu.qualtrics.com//SE/?SID=SV_7OOsR9G0Pkp5I2N

I really hope that you are able to help us in this research study.  Your responses are valuable and we would love to hear your story!

Thank you so much,

Megan Leagon
Research Assistant

North Carolina State University
Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics Education
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: Jimmy K on November 01, 2012, 08:18:15 PM
This was a well put together survey.
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: WDE97 on November 01, 2012, 09:36:08 PM
Interesting survey. Megan, I forwarded the link on to my coworkers. Hopefully a few of them will help you out.
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: tschmidlin on November 02, 2012, 05:37:16 AM
Here is some more info
https://www.fi.ncsu.edu/project/master-science-hobbyists-br-characteristics-motivations-experiences-and-career-trajectories
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: pinnah on November 03, 2012, 02:27:20 AM
Are home brewers scientists?

While I consider myself a scientist, it is not because I have a home-brewing hobby.

However, I submitted my information
because I just took hydrometer readings on three carboys. :)

Cheers to your work.

Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: alcaponejunior on November 04, 2012, 01:22:58 PM
Are home brewers scientists?

While I consider myself a scientist, it is not because I have a home-brewing hobby.

However, I submitted my information
because I just took hydrometer readings on three carboys. :)

Cheers to your work.



I would say that homebrewers are scientists, because they utilize science in every batch, and learn about science in order to improve their craft.

I would also say that many homebrewers are mad scientists ::)

Great survey, BTW!
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: malzig on November 04, 2012, 02:15:51 PM
Are home brewers scientists?

I would say that homebrewers are scientists, because they utilize science in every batch, and learn about science in order to improve their craft.
Wouldn't that make us technicians? 

I think of scientists are people that use the scientific method to answer questions (hypothesis->experiment->observations->conclusions), so Kai and Sean would qualify.  I suppose we all brew a batch, decide if we like it, form an hypothesis about what we could do to make it better, make it, then observe if it really was better.  That seems like it would qualify us as scientists.
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: EHall on November 04, 2012, 08:03:26 PM
call me paranoid but this survey is funded by the National Science Foundation, A fed govt agency. Sorry but I don't trust the govt enough to give out this kind of information... I don't see the need to go blindly into any survey that pops up asking about homebrewing...
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: denny on November 04, 2012, 09:28:44 PM
call me paranoid

You're paranoid.
Title: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: ajk on November 04, 2012, 11:47:53 PM
call me paranoid but this survey is funded by the National Science Foundation, A fed govt agency. Sorry but I don't trust the govt enough to give out this kind of information... I don't see the need to go blindly into any survey that pops up asking about homebrewing...

They're not collecting any personally identifiable information (other than your email address, and only then if you want to a shot at the gift card) or really anything else they couldn't get from posts to this forum if they tried hard enough.  So I think you're safe.

Signed,
A Fellow Paranoid
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: phillamb168 on November 05, 2012, 09:39:54 AM
Ah, yes, the National Science Foundation. Brainwashing us with government propaganda through their insidious IMAX films, episodes of NOVA, and geological kiosks at the grand canyon.

 ;) ;D
Title: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: jlo on November 05, 2012, 01:45:26 PM
In search of great beer I have learned about water chemistry, yeast biology and lots about heat exchangers.

Now I have questions that aren't easily looked up online.  How do I get answers to questions that don't yet have any answers?  I think I might know what happens, but how could I know for sure? 

It sure feels like I'm on the edge of science.  Now to see if curiosity pushes me over the edge...
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: dimik on November 05, 2012, 01:59:10 PM
I think of scientists are people that use the scientific method to answer questions (hypothesis->experiment->observations->conclusions), so Kai and Sean would qualify.

Hehehehe, that's what laymen think about the inner workings of research. It's very different on the inside :)
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: Jimmy K on November 05, 2012, 02:09:09 PM
call me paranoid

You're paranoid.

Far worse info is available for purchase from marketing companies - even if you don't think it is.  Anyway, researchers rarely turn their data over to funding agencies.
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: gmac on November 05, 2012, 02:11:06 PM
I tried but since I don't live in a state, it wouldn't let me past the first page.
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: nateo on November 05, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
Far worse info is available for purchase from marketing companies - even if you don't think it is.  Anyway, researchers rarely turn their data over to funding agencies.

Thank goodness my personal info is in the responsible hands of for-profit businesses.
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: hopfenundmalz on November 05, 2012, 03:46:36 PM
The states were in a quasi alphabetical order. At first it was WTF, no Michigan. Had to look after the O's.
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: denny on November 05, 2012, 03:51:42 PM
Knowing Eric, I think his concern was more that the more government knows about homebrewers, the more likely they are to tax it.
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: EHall on November 06, 2012, 02:57:09 PM
No Denny, thats your buddy Dave that thinks that. Plain and simple, I don't trust the govt. If a govt agency is funding something like this they could ask for the results. You really think a college would say no?There's not 'personal' information per se in there, but there is enough info to track folks down. If they need to survey homebrewers to figure out improvements they need to make to better education, they need to rethink their entire process/agenda. Yep, call me paranoid!
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: morticaixavier on November 06, 2012, 03:19:12 PM
No Denny, thats your buddy Dave that thinks that. Plain and simple, I don't trust the govt. If a govt agency is funding something like this they could ask for the results. You really think a college would say no?There's not 'personal' information per se in there, but there is enough info to track folks down. If they need to survey homebrewers to figure out improvements they need to make to better education, they need to rethink their entire process/agenda. Yep, call me paranoid!

So I assume you did not fill out your census documents in 2010? There is no privacy. Every piece of info that someone could want about you is readily available with some degree of digging and the NSA is really good at digging. I am super paranoid but at some point I realized that all my fears about various people and organizations getting info on me were absolutely founded and there was no point in continuing to worry about it. The best possible solution is to flood the buffers. put so much info about yourself out in the world that it's just not worth looking at. You can't stop anyone from compiling the info but you can make it so noisy that it's not worth the trouble.

Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: nateo on November 06, 2012, 03:48:42 PM
What helped me get over my paranoia is that I realized it takes a pretty big ego to imagine anyone cares about me or my life. Shadowy gov't bureaucrats are just as self-absorbed and incompetent as everyone else. I mean, they couldn't even fake the moon landing properly! ;)
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: phillamb168 on November 06, 2012, 03:59:27 PM
What helped me get over my paranoia is that I realized it takes a pretty big ego to imagine anyone cares about me or my life. Shadowy gov't bureaucrats are just as self-absorbed and incompetent as everyone else. I mean, they couldn't even fake the moon landing properly! ;)

+1 ^^^^

Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: denny on November 06, 2012, 04:44:19 PM
No Denny, thats your buddy Dave that thinks that. Plain and simple, I don't trust the govt. If a govt agency is funding something like this they could ask for the results. You really think a college would say no?There's not 'personal' information per se in there, but there is enough info to track folks down. If they need to survey homebrewers to figure out improvements they need to make to better education, they need to rethink their entire process/agenda. Yep, call me paranoid!

Thanks for the explanation, E.  Sorry I mischaracterized you.
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: EHall on November 06, 2012, 05:01:55 PM
Mort, I don't neceessarily agree that putting more 'noise' out there would help. I did fill out the census form. I'm ex-military so yea, my info is out there, fingerprints and all. I think the govt is way to intrusive anymore and I definately don't like the direction we've been going as a country lately... I can't see it getting better anytime soon... and you're right about the NSA, if they want to find something on you, they will! I don't do facebook, linked in or any other social networking, I have a very small footprint online. I highly doubt I'm on anyone's radar and think the only reason they would even glance at me is my firearm purchases... I don't feel I have a very big ego that the govt is watching me.. I just don't like the direction is all be going. My point is, don't blindly go answering questions about homebrewing or anything else for that matter just because someone seems interested.
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: morticaixavier on November 06, 2012, 09:17:17 PM
Mort, I don't neceessarily agree that putting more 'noise' out there would help. I did fill out the census form. I'm ex-military so yea, my info is out there, fingerprints and all. I think the govt is way to intrusive anymore and I definately don't like the direction we've been going as a country lately... I can't see it getting better anytime soon... and you're right about the NSA, if they want to find something on you, they will! I don't do facebook, linked in or any other social networking, I have a very small footprint online. I highly doubt I'm on anyone's radar and think the only reason they would even glance at me is my firearm purchases... I don't feel I have a very big ego that the govt is watching me.. I just don't like the direction is all be going. My point is, don't blindly go answering questions about homebrewing or anything else for that matter just because someone seems interested.

I hear you. didn't mean to snipe. to each...
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: malzig on November 07, 2012, 03:17:47 AM
I think of scientists are people that use the scientific method to answer questions (hypothesis->experiment->observations->conclusions), so Kai and Sean would qualify.
Hehehehe, that's what laymen think about the inner workings of research. It's very different on the inside :)
Then you're doing it wrong. ;)
(I'm not a layman, by the way, I'm a biochemist.)
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: dimik on November 07, 2012, 03:50:02 AM
I think of scientists are people that use the scientific method to answer questions (hypothesis->experiment->observations->conclusions), so Kai and Sean would qualify.
Hehehehe, that's what laymen think about the inner workings of research. It's very different on the inside :)
Then you're doing it wrong. ;)
(I'm not a layman, by the way, I'm a biochemist.)

Biochemist and enzymologist turned developmental biologist here :) You've got to tell me your secret!
This is closer to my research experience (http://electroncafe.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/sciencerage.png)
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: bboy9000 on November 07, 2012, 06:18:55 AM
As a school teacher with a degree in archaeology, a masters in science education, homebrewer, and a rock/mineral collector  I completed the survey.   It's obvious to me the point was to gauge how to better communicate the importance and relevance of science in the everyday life of the general public.  In archaeology we called this "public archaeology."  Other goals of the survey seemed to be to get an idea of the importance of science to the average person and how much his/her hobby or public education contributed to this.  Nothing nefarious here.
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: punatic on November 07, 2012, 08:26:13 AM
Ah, yes, the National Science Foundation. Brainwashing us with government propaganda through their insidious IMAX films, episodes of NOVA, and geological kiosks at the grand canyon.

 ;) ;D

There ya go, Big Government wins!  May I PLEASE have more government control of my life!

Science is for thoughtful people who cannot handle the underlying math that defines what's going on.  Many of my fellow engineering students in college transfered from the engineering track to the science track because they could not handle the requisite math. 

College taught me how to learn, more than anything else.  In the nine years since I left college I've taught myself much more than I ever learned for my engineering degree.  And I got to pick the subjects of my attention.

Engineering is applied science: math, physics, biology and chemistry.  We make theories into working models.

FWIW - living where I do, I get to pal around with some of the world's foremost astrophysicists, geophysicists, and oceanographers.  They really enjoy my white dog, and my homebrew too.



Oh yeah, Big Bird must die!   ;)
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: phillamb168 on November 07, 2012, 08:43:15 AM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/purity.png)
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: malzig on November 07, 2012, 12:35:42 PM
Science is for thoughtful people who cannot handle the underlying math that defines what's going on.  Many of my fellow engineering students in college transfered from the engineering track to the science track because they could not handle the requisite math...

Engineering is applied science: math, physics, biology and chemistry.  We make theories into working models.
Hey!  Lay off the scientists!  (My business card actually says "Scientist" on it... ;))

I've been a part of the development of a dozen new drugs.  My wife, who is also a biochemist, found a way to create a whole new type of drug that will probably become multiple major new treatments for cancer.  Turning an idea into a drug seems quite applied.
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: dimik on November 07, 2012, 12:52:57 PM
Oh you're a profit-driven type of a researcher. I see... No wonder you go in straight line from idea to result lol :)
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: punatic on November 07, 2012, 02:05:18 PM
You didn"t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: morticaixavier on November 07, 2012, 02:38:09 PM
You didn"t build that.  Somebody else made that happen.

geez carl, a little sore loser action going on?
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: punatic on November 07, 2012, 03:32:47 PM
Hell no.  I'm doing a victory lap.  We're in the Golden Age now!
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: mihalybaci on November 07, 2012, 03:53:49 PM
Science is for thoughtful people who cannot handle the underlying math that defines what's going on.  Many of my fellow engineering students in college transfered from the engineering track to the science track because they could not handle the requisite math...

Engineering is applied science: math, physics, biology and chemistry.  We make theories into working models.
Hey!  Lay off the scientists!  (My business card actually says "Scientist" on it... ;))

Yeah! And in my experience the math in my field (physics/astronomy) is more difficult than engineering math.
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: mihalybaci on November 07, 2012, 03:55:09 PM
Science is for thoughtful people who cannot handle the underlying math that defines what's going on.  Many of my fellow engineering students in college transfered from the engineering track to the science track because they could not handle the requisite math...

Engineering is applied science: math, physics, biology and chemistry.  We make theories into working models.
Hey!  Lay off the scientists!  (My business card actually says "Scientist" on it... ;))

Yeah! And in my experience the math in my field (physics/astronomy) is more difficult than engineering math.

But I still hate math...
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: punatic on November 07, 2012, 04:49:47 PM
How much engineering math have you studied?
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: hubie on November 07, 2012, 06:04:56 PM
What is "engineering" math?
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: punatic on November 07, 2012, 06:22:54 PM
Ask mihalybaci.  (see above).

I use differential equations and linear algebra in my work.
 
Title: Re: Homebrewing Hobby Survey
Post by: michaelbrock on November 07, 2012, 07:25:49 PM
I just filled out the survey.  In your question asking how long the survey taker has been brewing there is a gap in your ranges.  You have   "less than 1" and "2-3".  I fall into that missing range at 1.5 years...I feel so left out.  I answered "2-3" to boost my rep.