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Post by: tschmidlin on November 12, 2012, 01:57:54 AM
For the last couple of months I've been working at a side job - head brewer at Bluebird Brewing in Seattle.  It's a part time thing, working on a 2 BBL system.  We've got a couple of 3 bbl glycol chilled conicals that are nice, but mostly it is an oversized homebrew system.  MM3, March pump, propane burners, etc.  Kegging in 1/2 bbl sankes.

Bluebird is better known for ice cream - there are three shops around Seattle.  The brewing system is in the back of one of them.  We haven't started selling beer yet, there was a ton to do to get it all up and running, and like I said it's a part time thing.  I finished hooking up an 8 product trunk line this weekend - 4 will be beer, and 4 soda (it's an ice cream shop after all).  The beers will mostly be geared towards things that go well with ice cream, for making floats and stuff - they're really popular.

We'll start selling our beer in one location this Thursday.  The beers will be our coffee porter, strong blonde, and chocolate stout, plus a guest tap of pale ale.  The sodas will be our rootbeer, cream soda, snickerdoodle soda, and a guest tap of ginger beer.

I'm not sure when we'll put our beer on at the second location.  It already has 8 taps and has been selling other people's beer for a year or two, but I'll convert 4 of them for soda and we'll save 3 taps for our beers.  The third location will have to wait until we find some coolers (for the right price) we can use for the beer.

The first two beers (coffee porter, strong blond) were brewed by the guy who set up the system, a pro brewer who is friends with the owner.  He got the system installed and did a couple of test batches, then turned it over to me.  We've since added the two conicals, rebuilt the mill table, installed the draft system, and a bunch of other small projects.  And be "we" I mean me.  The first batch I did was the chocolate stout - it was served at a beer festival this weekend and got 3rd place (out of ~60 beers) in the people's choice voting.

It's a one-man show, and it's been a lot of work, but I'm having fun!
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Post by: euge on November 12, 2012, 02:03:44 AM
This is fantastic Tom! I am so proud to hear of you doing this. Very heartening that we as self-styled self taught non-professionals can make this transition and show our mettle. Not to say we haven't had the benefit of others' help, but all the same it speaks volumes.
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Post by: denny on November 12, 2012, 02:05:06 AM
Good luck to ya and have a great time! 
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Post by: bluesman on November 12, 2012, 02:19:40 AM
This is super cool Tom!

I'm impressed. I hope everything continues to go your way. Best of luck my friend!  :)

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Post by: jeffy on November 12, 2012, 02:57:19 AM
It is good you're having fun.  I hope you are getting the credit you deserve.
I had no idea you had enough time in your life for something like this.  Makes me feel like a slacker.
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Post by: morticaixavier on November 12, 2012, 03:33:05 AM
Rock on Dr. Tom. Next time (first time, even though I lived in portland for 6 months back in 94) I'm in Seattle I will be all over a stout and coffee icecream float.
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Post by: Mark G on November 12, 2012, 03:58:45 AM
Awesome news Tom. Congrats.
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Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 12, 2012, 04:50:08 AM
Very Nice.
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Post by: a10t2 on November 12, 2012, 05:18:56 AM
Niiice. Can't wait to get up there again and try some.
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Post by: punatic on November 12, 2012, 06:24:47 AM
Glad to see you venturing out of the academic world!  Good stuff amigo!
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Post by: tschmidlin on November 12, 2012, 08:12:16 AM
Thanks all!  It really is as much fun as I thought it would be.  Even the 11 hour brew day was a good time.  There are a lot of improvements that can be made so as money and time are available I'll be making some incremental changes.  I don't really have as much time for it as I'd like, believe me!
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Post by: hopfenundmalz on November 12, 2012, 01:55:29 PM
This is very cool. You are living the dream, and am a little jealous.

Is the brewing scene in WA so competitive that you need a PhD in microbiology to get at gig at a nano?  ;)
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Post by: udubdawg on November 12, 2012, 01:58:33 PM
I finished hooking up an 8 product trunk line this weekend - 4 will be beer, and 4 soda (it's an ice cream shop after all). 

I misread that as "truck" and thought - woah, combo ice cream/beer truck?!?  Why is this not available to me NOW?!   ;D

congrats, and look forward to trying them all as soon as I can back home.

cheers--
--Michael
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Post by: tygo on November 12, 2012, 02:27:32 PM
Congrats Tom that's awesome.  Sounds like a lot of fun (and work).
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Post by: jeffy on November 12, 2012, 03:05:06 PM
I finished hooking up an 8 product trunk line this weekend - 4 will be beer, and 4 soda (it's an ice cream shop after all). 

I misread that as "truck" and thought - woah, combo ice cream/beer truck?!?  Why is this not available to me NOW?!   ;D

congrats, and look forward to trying them all as soon as I can back home.

cheers--
--Michael

Mom!  Mom!  The beer truck is here!  Can I have a dollar?
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Post by: majorvices on November 12, 2012, 04:34:35 PM
Pics or it never happened.
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Post by: bluesman on November 12, 2012, 05:26:24 PM
Sounds like this could be more than a part-time thing if you're brewing up some quality product...which I know you are. Although you'd probably want to utilize a bigger system to become profitable and grow the business.
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Post by: bluesman on November 12, 2012, 05:27:11 PM
Pics or it never happened.

+1...love to see some pics.
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Post by: denny on November 12, 2012, 05:31:04 PM
Sounds like this could be more than a part-time thing if you're brewing up some quality product...which I know you are. Although you'de probably want to utilize a bigger system to become profitable and grow the business.

Screw the beer...what's the ice cream like?  ;)
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Post by: bluesman on November 12, 2012, 05:40:35 PM
Sounds like this could be more than a part-time thing if you're brewing up some quality product...which I know you are. Although you'de probably want to utilize a bigger system to become profitable and grow the business.

Screw the beer...what's the ice cream like?  ;)

Hey now!  8)
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Post by: mors on November 12, 2012, 06:05:11 PM
I really like IPA paired with ice cream
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Post by: denny on November 12, 2012, 06:28:34 PM
Sounds like this could be more than a part-time thing if you're brewing up some quality product...which I know you are. Although you'de probably want to utilize a bigger system to become profitable and grow the business.

Screw the beer...what's the ice cream like?  ;)

Hey now!  8)

Priorities, Ron, priorities!  ;)
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Post by: euge on November 12, 2012, 07:29:45 PM
Sounds like this could be more than a part-time thing if you're brewing up some quality product...which I know you are. Although you'de probably want to utilize a bigger system to become profitable and grow the business.

Screw the beer...what's the ice cream like?  ;)

Hey now!  8)

Priorities, Ron, priorities!  ;)

Usually one doesn't get their phd and then just not use it. Tom was awarded his this past year (forgive me if I'm off a bit time-wise) and assuredly his research takes priority. This part time gig may be his way of achieving balance though...

Just guessing. :)
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Post by: tschmidlin on November 12, 2012, 10:26:58 PM
Funny enough, there is a plan to do growler deliveries in the local neighborhood.  Not my job though :)

The ice cream is awesome, super premium stuff with some vegan ice creams as well (the coconut mint chip is excellent).

It could turn into a full time thing, but not right away.  2 bbls at a time is obviously much too small, but I know some guys who are opening a 15 bbl brewery who expect to have spare capacity for the first 12-18 months.  They should be up and running by May/June, so figure September :)  But they might want for us to contract brew for them so they have something to put on tap right away, and then we can contract through them for our best sellers.

Here are some pics I took on the day I took over - it looks different now and is much less cramped, but it is just a small space, and I have to share it with ice cream stuff.  I haven't taken new pics, but I'll grab some this week.

Along the left wall from the front are one of the 3 bbls conicals, a carbonation tank, a scale on a glycol unit, a wine fermenter that was the only primary and doesn't hold pressure, then the other 3 bbl conical.  Next to that is the mash tun.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-uCatWvhr0m4/UKFzh3WEMFI/AAAAAAAAAZA/SPJzjAjEIxo/s744/IMG-20120804-00219.jpg)

Here is the reverse angle shot - the kettle is in the front, storage in the back.  That furnace has since been removed.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AFbYHfSQVXE/UKFzjYm2xJI/AAAAAAAAAZQ/aAnNwlamoOw/s744/IMG-20120804-00222.jpg)

This is the walk in - the ceiling is too low, it had no lights, nothing was connected except for one CO2 line, and it runs off an air conditioner.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-SnMLk6H__oM/UKFzkAIxT_I/AAAAAAAAAZY/msHT3qK6rEw/s744/IMG-20120804-00224.jpg)
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Post by: majorvices on November 12, 2012, 11:06:47 PM
Looks fun man! I'm sure the beer is as good as the ice cream.
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Post by: Poobah58 on November 13, 2012, 12:13:15 AM
Awesome!  Good luck...
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Post by: boulderbrewer on November 14, 2012, 04:29:44 AM
Nice photos! I know your beer is the bomb. Great luck in your endevor.

+1 for working 10 hours for some one else and enjoying it!
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Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on November 14, 2012, 04:21:34 PM
I'm late to this party, but congrats, Tom!  Sounds like a very "cool" gig! ;D
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Post by: Rhoobarb on November 14, 2012, 10:25:19 PM
Holy cannoli, that looks like it WOULD be fun!
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Post by: tschmidlin on November 15, 2012, 10:05:28 AM
Ok, as promised, new pics.  I got out of the house for a couple of hours today (I've been sick) and went to paint a new blackboard on the wall - it needs to be dry by tomorrow.  The store is tiny by the way, I think 15 people would fill the retail space :)

This is the view from the front - the faucets I installed are on the left, the brewery is through the window blocked by the banner.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Sm-dnbrkaLs/UKS4D2KZVoI/AAAAAAAAAbQ/ncg0YGYmlF0/s744/IMG-20121114-00349.jpg)

A close up of the faucets - yes, I had to stain and finish that board they are coming through too ;D
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5HOAVFQy50k/UKS4D3feglI/AAAAAAAAAbM/9a_NnbqEZpM/s744/IMG-20121114-00348.jpg)

Here is the back side of the shanks, some cabinets had to be removed and there was some wall demo involved.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-J29eP6EXtWc/UKS4CddTpZI/AAAAAAAAAa0/T3sGKjPGcTs/s744/IMG-20121114-00346.jpg)

With the door closed, you can see the box I built to enclose everything.  Yes, it is in the bathroom.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-KUJIYI_BARA/UKS4DNW6NpI/AAAAAAAAAbE/9PXwaziWuU8/s744/IMG-20121114-00347.jpg)

Lighting is still poor in the walk in, and it's a lot more crowded now.  I'll finish straightening it before we launch.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-YZqTJD8NVeM/UKS4Bc4bYVI/AAAAAAAAAac/KzB8wi6gUH4/s744/IMG-20121114-00343.jpg)

Beer lines on the left, soda lines on the right - the one that goes out of the picture to the right goes to a bank of 5 corny fitting for carbing the soda.  The lines in the center are the glycol lines, the glycol is under that big coil of gas line in the back corner.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-J0v8_m9ilps/UKS4APvmR-I/AAAAAAAAAaE/IRpq9RrlcGA/s744/IMG-20121114-00340.jpg)

Rearranged upstairs, the two conicals in the back.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-T69ZdyGFE14/UKS3_YWn5pI/AAAAAAAAAZ8/WLUX7tWHB7g/s744/IMG-20121114-00338.jpg)

Kettle on the left, mash tun center front.  I'm still not using that big tank in the back for anything, but I might use it as an extra HLT to speed up my brew day by heating some water in the kettle.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-nZaYObVQf1Y/UKS4By_o-RI/AAAAAAAAAao/VIT3Vx68Gio/s744/IMG-20121114-00344.jpg)

Ingredient storage :)  The freezer on the right is full of ice cream, the machine on the left is for making ice cream.  There is a little space in the freezer for hops.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lKOthjnKb9I/UKS4CRxcwBI/AAAAAAAAAa4/WTmKhPTXpB0/s744/IMG-20121114-00345.jpg)

That's it - we start officially pouring  in about 15 hours.  All that's left is to frame the blackboard I painted on the wall, install the drop tray, mop the floors, and make sure the beer/soda are pouring all right.  We're having a short happy hour from 5-7 to launch, it can't be a huge event due to the size of the space.

Cheers all!
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Post by: hopfenundmalz on November 15, 2012, 01:55:58 PM
Good luck on the opening, and may the taps keep flowing! Have fun.
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Post by: morticaixavier on November 15, 2012, 03:38:13 PM
looks great tom. break a leg!
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Post by: micsager on November 15, 2012, 03:38:52 PM
Very cool Tom.  We'll be over that way in a couple weeks.  Gonna have to stop by and try some.......
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Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 15, 2012, 07:43:01 PM
Looking good. Thanks for sharing. If you have any questions, let me know.
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Post by: euge on November 16, 2012, 12:55:47 AM
We're having a short happy hour from 5-7 to launch, it can't be a huge event due to the size of the space.

Cheers all!

What- you've never seen Tampopo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZHBD1e5rc0)?

Looks great. Lots of hard work and your experience and skills will surely pay off. Congrats!
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Post by: boulderbrewer on November 16, 2012, 05:18:46 AM
couple questions, How is your water vapor evacuated on the boil kettle? (serious question) and do you got a lock on that pannel that supplies the taps? ;)
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Post by: tschmidlin on November 16, 2012, 09:18:48 AM
Whew.  Launch was a big success, the place was packed and we sold lots of beer, soda, and ice cream, many floats, growlers, shirts, etc.  Good times.  As it turns out we can fit a lot more than 15 people. :)

couple questions, How is your water vapor evacuated on the boil kettle? (serious question) and do you got a lock on that pannel that supplies the taps? ;)
The lid on the kettle is hinged, so I take off the smaller part of the lid and the vapor floats out the top of the kettle. :)  I tripped the breaker for the lights the first time I brewed on the system, but I moved the lights and my batches of soda haven't tripped anything since so I'm hopeful it won't be a problem for the next beer.  I also started using fans to blow the air out the open window/door, which is right next to the kettle.  It is not ideal, but it's functional so far.

Yes, there is a lock on the panel ;D  Top right corner in the pics.  And it is covered with posters now, so it's a lot less obvious that it is an access door.

What- you've never seen Tampopo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZHBD1e5rc0)?
No, and it's 2 hours long so I'm not watching it ;D  What is Tampopo?

Looking good. Thanks for sharing. If you have any questions, let me know.
Thanks Leos - I want to pick your brain about keg cleaning rigs, pulling the spears out is a PAIN!  I was thinking I could just do one like my corny cleaning setup, a bucket with a sump pump in it.  The coupler I use as a keg filler is already set up to vent from the gas fitting, so I'm thinking if the outlet of the sump pump goes to the beer in side of the filler it should shoot liquid up the spear and drain out with no problems.  It should be easy enough to go from the sump pump outlet to PVC/hose barb/hose/tri clamp fitting, which can then clamp on to the filler, invert the keg and let it drain back into the bucket.  Wash a bunch of kegs with caustic, switch to water to rinse, call it good.  For sani, fill the first one, then use CO2 to push from one to the next.

So my questions are:
1.  Can a sump pump handle sitting in caustic?
2.  How much liquid do you think I need to have in the system to run one keg at a time?
3.  Will it actually drain effectively?
4.  Is there a better way to do this for cheap?
5.  Am I missing something?

This seems like an easy and cheap solution, so I'm concerned about missing some obvious reason this won't work.  I figure I can even build it with swappable fittings, so I can do cornies or sankes just by switching the rig at the pump.
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Post by: euge on November 16, 2012, 12:30:00 PM
Whew.  Launch was a big success, the place was packed and we sold lots of beer, soda, and ice cream, many floats, growlers, shirts, etc.  Good times.  As it turns out we can fit a lot more than 15 people. :)

^^^That's pretty much analogous to the end of Tampopo- except it's noodles not beer and ice-cream. ;D If you want to learn how to make noodles watch this movie. It's funny too.

I tried to warn ya! Double congrats Tom!

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Post by: majorvices on November 16, 2012, 03:04:58 PM
Keg cleaning is a fairly steep curve from the jump of homebrewing. You will want an air compressor for blowing out rinse and caustic/acid/cleaning. If you are using new kegs you will want to passivate them first with acid. Of course with plastic kegs you wouldn't need passivation.

Pulling spears is a ridiculous waste of time. You should be cleaning kegs upside down with a keg filler/cleaning head. You probably won't get enough pump pressure with a submersible pump (if I understand you correctly) for caustic, though I do use one for  sanitation.

Basically you need a set up that you can have the o2 (AC) and the Co2 plumbed into a line with the rinse water, caustic, and sani. You rinse first, blowing it out with compressed air, run caustic, blowing it out with compressed air, run rinse again, blowing out with comp. air, then sani and blow out with co2, then charge keg to 10-12 psi after purge. You should leave the air and co2 on to imcrtease pressure and effectiveness during all stages.

I will take a picture of our keg cleaner (home made 3 head) and show you how it is set up later today.
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Post by: anthony on November 16, 2012, 03:15:30 PM
Depending on how many kegs you're going through, what your margin is now, and if you have any pricing flexibility, you may be able to get away with something like http://pubkeg.com. The shells plus one insert are about $24 a piece (including shipping). Replacement inserts are around $10. So you're looking at adding $0.25 per pint but saving space, need of an air compressor, use of caustic, etc.
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Post by: majorvices on November 16, 2012, 04:39:10 PM
Here's a frontal veiw. You can see the rinche line coming from my HWH on bottom right, hot caustic recirc on middle right, and sani recirc on top right. Also you can see where the o2 and co2 come in. on the bottom you can see the levers that control exaust flush, caustic recirc and sani recirc.

(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/majorvices/10e75c8d58c0d96501e2dd2337c1b071.jpg)]

Here you can see the bucket with sani behind rig and caustic hot CiP tank connected to pump and how most of the hoses recirc.

(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/majorvices/893a8eb99a23cdb697d639c283127f22.jpg)
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Post by: euge on November 16, 2012, 04:43:08 PM
Here's a frontal veiw. You can see the rinche line coming from my HWH on bottom right, hot caustic recirc on middle right, and sani recirc on top right. Also you can see where the o2 and co2 come in. on the bottom you can see the levers that control exaust flush, caustic recirc and sani recirc.

(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/majorvices/10e75c8d58c0d96501e2dd2337c1b071.jpg)

Here you can see the bucket with sani behind rig and caustic hot CiP tank connected to pump and how most of the hoses recirc.

(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/majorvices/893a8eb99a23cdb697d639c283127f22.jpg)

Takes about 4 minutes to clean/sani and purge 3 kegs on this system

Fixed it for ya!
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Post by: majorvices on November 16, 2012, 04:44:26 PM
Thanks! Not used to working in Tapaptalk. I got it fixed right after you did! I f'ing hate tapatalk!
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Post by: denny on November 16, 2012, 04:45:17 PM
Thanks! Not used to working in Tapaptalk. I got it fixed right after you did! I f'ing hate tapatalk!

I think you'll love it once you get used to it.
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Post by: majorvices on November 16, 2012, 04:57:18 PM
Well, I didn't like how everytime I loaded the forum on safari on my iPad it logged me off and prompted me to buy Tapatalk - which I finally did because it was so annoying being prompted and kicked off so there is a major strike against it.
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Post by: denny on November 16, 2012, 05:23:04 PM
Well, I didn't like how everytime I loaded the forum on safari on my iPad it logged me off and prompted me to buy Tapatalk - which I finally did because it was so annoying being prompted and kicked off so there is a major strike against it.

I didn't notice that, but I usually use Mercury (iPad version of Firefox) on my iPad.
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Post by: tschmidlin on November 16, 2012, 05:53:09 PM
Here's a frontal veiw. You can see the rinche line coming from my HWH on bottom right, hot caustic recirc on middle right, and sani recirc on top right. Also you can see where the o2 and co2 come in. on the bottom you can see the levers that control exaust flush, caustic recirc and sani recirc.

Here you can see the bucket with sani behind rig and caustic hot CiP tank connected to pump and how most of the hoses recirc.

Takes about 4 minutes to clean/sani and purge 3 kegs on this system

Fixed it for ya!
Wow.  This is not going to be as easy and straightforward as I'd hoped.

Can you estimate the cost to build that thing?  I'll probably have to limit myself to one keg since all I have is a march pump - do you think that will even be sufficient?  And, 4 minutes, that's not a typo?  If I could do one every 4 minutes I could clean every keg in the place in less than 90 minutes.  I'll probably just purge with CO2 every time, because I have that and no air compressor.  Ugh.
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Post by: majorvices on November 16, 2012, 06:02:17 PM
Tom, it's not as difficult as it looks. Leos has a picture of a similar set up he built that is smaller and easier to figure out. Perhaps he'll post it. Otherwise I can come up with a diagram this weekend and show you how to rig everything up with a single head. SHouldn't cost too much and you could get most parts at Home depot.
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Post by: majorvices on November 16, 2012, 06:04:32 PM
oh yeah, as far as the march pump goes I think you could limp along for now but you need to start looking for a higher GPM pump pretty soon. The co2 will help force the solution into the keg - think pressure washer.
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Post by: a10t2 on November 16, 2012, 06:56:08 PM
1.  Can a sump pump handle sitting in caustic?
2.  How much liquid do you think I need to have in the system to run one keg at a time?
3.  Will it actually drain effectively?

1. Kind of. We go through one every 3-4 months or so. Like Keith said, though, I don't think anything you can find at a hardware store will have the head you need for cleaning.
2. I'd say about 1/3 the volume of the keg, plus whatever you need to fill the lines. If you're gravity draining you'll need more because the kegs will get full.
3. Not really. You'll want to use compressed air unless you have a lot of time on your hands. At the brewery I used to work at I cobbled together a keg cleaner and it took FOREVER to drain using gravity.
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Post by: BrewingRover on November 17, 2012, 05:07:07 AM
Cool stuff, Tom. It looks like you're brewing at the Phinney location. I'll be back in Seattle in January and I'll be sure to stop by to try a beer after my pilgrimage to Red Mill.

BTW, you should nudge whoever the web person is. I get a domain expired page for http://bluebirdseattle.com/
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Post by: tschmidlin on November 17, 2012, 08:03:30 AM
Any pump you recommend?

Cool stuff, Tom. It looks like you're brewing at the Phinney location. I'll be back in Seattle in January and I'll be sure to stop by to try a beer after my pilgrimage to Red Mill.

BTW, you should nudge whoever the web person is. I get a domain expired page for http://bluebirdseattle.com/
Yup, on Greenwood right across the street from 74th St Ale house.  Let me know when you'll be around, I'm not always there but I'd be happy to show you the place.  Thanks for the heads up on the website. :)
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Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 17, 2012, 04:05:05 PM
Tom,
I will post pictures tonight. Meanwhile you can read this manual.
http://specificmechanical.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/sms911manual.pdf
It will tell
You all ins and outs of keg washing.

Also check this thread.
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=10006.msg123010#msg123010

I do not use compressed air. I use CO2 for all the pressure.
If you can get bulk CO2 tank.
I rent mine for $25 a month. I started with 300 lb tank and now I am on 600lb heated tank. This way you do not have to lug all the cylinders. CO2 per lb is about 1/3 of the cost.

I also think you can used just regular couplers for cleaning. Just take the back flow valves off and it should work. If you have multi head cleaner use the same coupler (mfg and type) otherwise one keg can empty faster then the other wise.

Pump is another question. If all fails McMaster has sanitary Thompson pumps for about $1200. I heard that you can get them just a little cheaper from the Thompson.

Here is the pic:
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/382963_242624569133003_1230033436_n.jpg)
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Post by: tschmidlin on November 18, 2012, 06:01:38 AM
Thanks Leos - lots of stuff there, it's going to take me a while to go through!

I'm looking forward to the other pics to help me figure this out.
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Post by: Thirsty_Monk on November 19, 2012, 12:30:54 AM
A few more pics:
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/312849_242623952466398_1246552295_n.jpg)

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/312849_242623955799731_1764191949_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Going going gone . . .
Post by: gmac on November 19, 2012, 04:01:13 AM
I'm way late but congratulations. Hope it goes well for you.