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Title: peace out
Post by: loopy on February 23, 2010, 02:33:04 AM
I dont post here much anymore, and I probably wont in the future.  good to know you guys from here and from NB.  I think I am getting out of the hobby, and certainly away from the beer forums.  bless you guys for the information, the humor, and the great discussions once had.   I cannot stand the required correctness with the hobby and self sensoring requirements to talk about it online.  Frankly, I dont even enjoy the hobby that much anymore these days. 

time to move on. 

btw - anyone in Houston looking for some used beer equip? 
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: onthekeg on February 23, 2010, 03:20:35 AM
Loopy- I don't blame you one bit.  I find myself phasing out of the hobby and boards quite a bit as well.  Not sure that I will quit brewing since I am pretty sure I won't quit drinking, but it is boring hearing the same sh*t daily.
Oh well, Good luck on your next endeavor!
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: pinnah on February 23, 2010, 04:01:08 AM
Loopy

It has been good,
I have certainly enjoyed your banter, knowledge, and character.
Good luck with the 010 garden, the kids, the outback resort, and Texas in general. 8)

Your mind cannot sit idle
best wishes to what ever you pick up next.

Cheers.

Peace out.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: brewmasternpb on February 23, 2010, 06:05:24 AM
Although I think his departure from brewing probably has nothing to do with the forums, I sort of know what he's talking about.  Every forum has their own identity, but I don't think this forum is as bad as others (it's a little geared towards folks who think Zymurgy's the be-all and end-all, but that's to be expected), the people are so much more polite.  I wouldn't quit brewing if you all insulted my mother every day, however.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: majorvices on February 23, 2010, 01:12:01 PM
Have fun and good bye! Come back when you feel like it. Or don't if you don't feel like it.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: Hokerer on February 23, 2010, 02:14:38 PM
I wouldn't quit brewing if you all insulted my mother every day, however.

Ok, how 'bout your father too...

"Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries."

:)
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: dean on February 23, 2010, 02:54:32 PM
but it is boring hearing the same sh*t daily.


Thats what the Brewhaha forum made up for on NB... I'm still amazed they took it away... absolutely stupid.  As a result we see the same questions, same s*** different day.  I hardly go to NB anymore.  I come here mostly now and "yeh, it could lighten up a little probably on the sensitivity".  jmo...

Sorry to hear people are giving up because of it though... that means the "PC crowd" wins again.  Next thing you know, we'll be licking a foreign leader's boots and we "won't be be able to fight back" because it might hurt someone else's feelings etc.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: hamiltont on February 23, 2010, 03:17:37 PM
Sorry to see a comrade fall by the wayside!!!  Just remember Loopy, the door will always be open.....
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: glitterbug on February 23, 2010, 03:19:22 PM
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Sorry to hear people are giving up because of it though... that means the "PC crowd" wins again.  Next thing you know, we'll be licking a foreign leader's boots and we "won't be be able to fight back" because it might hurt someone else's feelings etc.

WOW so well said, but it will probably cause this thread to be locked or deleted like so many in the past.

Some of you people are so sensitive. This isn't a war, there is no "winning" by the "PC crowd". This forum is not the place to air your political opinions. Grow up and quit being so melodramatic.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: beerocd on February 23, 2010, 03:25:30 PM
There's a board where everyone went who didn't want to be moderated. And because they weren't moderated; nobody bothered posting explicit photos or language anymore. It wasn't fun anymore - so now they mostly talk beer. Funny how that happens.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: majorvices on February 23, 2010, 03:37:27 PM
Something some of you guys just seem to forget - this is a forum sponsored by the AHA. Some of you guys moan and complain about not being able to speak you mind, blah, blah, blah - whatever. Ever stop and think the things you say might be offensive to other people who then in turn email a moderator because they were offended? No?? Didn't think so. There are forums that cater to politics - there are places to get your porn fix if that is what you are into. Go there if that is what you want. Just don't do it here. And if you don't like the rules quit complaining already and leave! If its so boring - go away and open your own forum!! Just stop complaining like old women. Gawdbless it gets old and annoying!
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: wzl46 on February 23, 2010, 03:39:44 PM
Loopy- take it easy, and if you find yourself in Fayetteville, NC shoot me an email and I'll buy you a beer if there's nothing in the kegs.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: theDarkSide on February 23, 2010, 03:59:05 PM
Something some of you guys just seem to forget - this is a forum sponsored by the AHA.
And the AHA is sponsored by it's membership.  But rules are rules, and if we can't live by them, we'll go elsewhere.  However, no matter what topic is posted, someone I'm sure is going to be offended. ( even beer related subjects like "I think Lambics are awful!! :) )

I guess we'll wait and see how this all pans out...now please don't block me out...I can go to my other forum for the porn and great beer information too ( although they don't like politics over there much either ).
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: majorvices on February 23, 2010, 04:05:39 PM
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Ever stop and think the things you say might be offensive to other people who then in turn email a moderator because they were offended?  

So why is it that the "offended" people always get their way around here? Maye you should call it a "Pub", because that's where grownups go to hang out.  

yeah, there's 3 or 4 of you guys who want to have your little politic and porn fest - the rest don't want it. Then there's a handful who just like to stir the pot for no reason. And Brewboy - you are the worst one. The only reason you are here is to stir the pot and cause trouble. You have admitted over and over and over again like a broken record how you don't like it here - well then stop coming!!! You've posted maybe a couple times about beer, the rest has been whining and complaining and stirring the pot. What's your point here? Anything? Name one thing you have done to contribute to anything positive here. I think I recall you asked for a clone recipe once - that was about it.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: majorvices on February 23, 2010, 04:12:10 PM
I've never asked to post any porno and I also answer many other questions in other topics. I can't help, nor do I care, if you don't like me or my views. Apparently it's not just me, because you are deleting and locking threads that I've never even been in.

You never have a positive thing to say about anything - you rarely discuss beer, you come in here and complain and bemoan the fact that we call this a "pub" and try to stir the pot. Stop! If you don't like it - don't come here! That's all I ask. If you want to contribute something worth while - then fine! Talk about beer some. But stop trying to sabotage the forum! Seems like that is your point here - I can't figure out why - but that seems like that is what you are about.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: majorvices on February 23, 2010, 04:22:41 PM
Taking a quick gander there are lots of that type of discussions going on. You mostly are attracted to the negative threads that allow you to complain and whine. Answer me just one question: Why do you do that? What's the point??
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: Hokerer on February 23, 2010, 04:25:50 PM
The Pub: " A place for discussion of not strictly beer related topics..."

I thought I was in the right place.

C'mon man, give it a rest.  The entire quote is...

The Pub: "A place for discussion of not strictly beer related topics. Please keep it civil and no discussion of race, religion, or politics."
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: glitterbug on February 23, 2010, 04:27:43 PM
Taking a quick gander there are lots of that type of discussions going on. You mostly are attracted to the negative threads that allow you to complain and whine. Answer me just one question: Why do you do that? What's the point??

His is a troll. Please don't feed the trolls, it only encourages them  ;D

Title: Re: peace out
Post by: majorvices on February 23, 2010, 04:31:16 PM
Thought maybe I would give him a chance to defend himself - there's an old saying: If everything you encounter is negative the source of that negativity must be yourself.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: loopy on February 23, 2010, 04:31:40 PM
good grief.  

I'm not quitting the hobby because of forum moderation.  I simply stopped enjoying it as much.  
This thread is exactly the type of situation that drains any enjoyment one can have from the hobby.  

moderators - if someone is disrupting the place ban them.  be done with it.  dont argue about it, dont delete everything, set the ground rules and enforce them.  Then sticky the damn thread at the top saying - this was out of line because xyz, further talk like this will get you the same.  locking thread for being political when I go look at the thread there is not a political hint in it is wrong.  Deleting threads and getting agreesive when asked about it is also wrong.  It does not encourage people to talk, and when they do everything on here is prefaced with a "hope this is ok to say", followed by a moderator either granting their approval and nudging it along or killing it.  

this place reminds me of nothing more than that crazy mom at the grocery store who constantly yells at the misbehaving children to act right or else.  

I am not quitting brewing because of the forum, but my experience in the forums over the past 6 months did contribute to my loss of interest in the hobby.  

good luck guys, thanks for the well wishes.  
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: theDarkSide on February 23, 2010, 04:34:36 PM
What are you going to do with all the money you would have spent on equipment, ingredients, etc...buy a couple extra houses :)

Good luck in your future endeavours.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: majorvices on February 23, 2010, 04:36:03 PM


moderators - if someone is disrupting the place ban them.  be done with it.  

Shouldn't be a need to ban anyone. If people don't like it here they should do like you are proposing and just leave. There is no dishonor in that. No need to ban someone who doesn't like the atmosphere. But in return there is no reason for someone who dislikes the atmosphere to keep coming back. Do you go back to the same restaurant over and over again if you think the food sucks? Of course not! So why keep coming back to the AHA forum if you don't like it here. It's quite a conundrum.  ???
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: homebrewgamecock on February 23, 2010, 04:44:12 PM
Have fun Loopy.  While I love brewing, there are some times when I can't be bothered with it or the forums.  I actually don't spend too much time on the forums.  Sure, plenty of good people, info and fun topics, but I can become burnt out on everything beer.

As for banning people, I agree there should not be a need.  For whatever reason, some people like nothing more than to stir it up, point fingers, b****, moan and complain about the rules and other posters, yet they keep coming back.  Honestly, I left the TastyBrew forum for that reason.  It was not one person, but one person did seem to push the most buttons.  Just got tired of  the back and forth bickering so I left.  Have not been back since.  Does not mean that TB is a bad forum, I just chose to move away from the negative bickering.  I hope this site does not become that as well.

Title: Re: peace out
Post by: majorvices on February 23, 2010, 04:47:14 PM
Yeah - I have a feeling I know who that person is.

Look, Brewboy - can you at least not answer my question? Why do you come here if you don't like it here? I only ask just this one thing. One answer and then I will drop it.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: dean on February 23, 2010, 05:21:47 PM


Some of you people are so sensitive. This isn't a war, there is no "winning" by the "PC crowd". This forum is not the place to air your political opinions. Grow up and quit being so melodramatic.

I don't think you get it.  Because people Aren't Allowed to speak Anywhere, and that includes forums such as this... IT in and of itself is taking away certain freedoms.  I don't condone bashing anyone... but the IDEA of "controlling People" I do take offense to.  If someone screws up... ban them for awhile.

EDITED FOR POLITICAL CONTENT - KNOCK IT OFF DEAN!


Don't call me or anyone willing to say The Truth, sensitive... look in the mirror next time you say it.  I only see you make posts about subjects considered PC.   ::)

Peace Out...
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: glitterbug on February 23, 2010, 05:41:19 PM

I don't think you get it.  Because people Aren't Allowed to speak Anywhere, and that includes forums such as this... IT in and of itself is taking away certain freedoms.  I don't condone bashing anyone... but the IDEA of "controlling People" I do take offense to.  If someone screws up... ban them for awhile.

There are plenty of forums where you can air your personal, political, religious, whatever views. There is no widespread oppression.

Don't call me or anyone willing to say The Truth, sensitive... look in the mirror next time you say it.  I only see you make posts about subjects considered PC.   ::)

I guess I really don't consider making posts on some forum to be that subversive. I feel sorry for you if you think stirring the pot in a fricken beer forum is going to bring about significant change to "the system" or whatever social injustice you feel is being forced upon you  ::)

Title: Re: peace out
Post by: denny on February 23, 2010, 05:43:21 PM
Gentlemen, I'd like to respectfully ask you to cool it.  I don't want to lock this thread.  It's a much better solution for users to control themselves.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: nicneufeld on February 23, 2010, 05:45:08 PM
I'm with major and glitter and others.  When denny announced this place opening up, he did warn that if anything, the moderation would be stricter than at the "old" forum.  Makes for a nice place.  You take offense to that?  No worries mate, no one pulled a gun on you and insisted you participate.  If you feel the Interwebs are lacking in forums catering to homebrewers that are unmoderated, it's not very hard or expensive to start one up, and then you can post whatever your heart desires, pending the laws of your state/country and the service agreement with your hosting provider.  If, in fact, the imagined silent majority resents what you consider to be oppressive, freedom-raping moderation, they will of course follow you to the idyllic, free-speech utopia you have created and everyone will be happy.  Otherwise, if you're not happy with the balance the moderators have struck, complaining about it will neither change the situation nor make you any more content.

I tip my hat to the moderators for the general atmosphere of the place.  I remember the NB forum in the days before politics was banned there and the place became much friendlier and more hospitable post-ban.  Cheers!

And loopy, I know the feeling of fading out of forums.  Another forum I visited frequently over the years, I slowly drifted out of...the hobby was something I do once a year now it seems, and it failed to grip.  It was a bit sad though in retrospect...I knew some of those guys like close friends.  Good luck, vaya con dios and all that.  Stop by from time to time to show us what your cooking at least, if not brewing!

EDIT:  just saw Denny's note...this was not meant to heighten any tension, I hope it does not read that way!  I really mean it as a best wishes, all around...even to those discontent with the rules.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: denny on February 23, 2010, 05:47:22 PM
Thanks, Nic.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: bluesman on February 23, 2010, 05:48:59 PM
Best of luck to you loopy. Sorry to see you go.

Title: Re: peace out
Post by: homebrewgamecock on February 23, 2010, 06:07:33 PM
Well, I will say it.  Feel free to lock the thread or do whatever is necessary.

While freedom of speech exists in this country, that does not mean you can say whatever you want, wherever you want with no consequences.  I don't run this board, therefore I have to abide by their rules.  If I don't like them, I either need to ask them about changing some of the rules or just leave. 

Whether he can see it or not, Brewboy is a lightning rod for controversy wherever he goes.  You can hide behind if you don't like what I say don't read it, sorry if you don't agree with my opinion, this is the pub forum where anything should go, blah, blah, blah.  Bottom line BB, you live to stir the pot and piss people off.  I saw it at TB and now here - SSDD.  Somehow, you don't see this and feel you are being persecuted by everyone.  I have done my best to ignore this at TastyBrew and then finally left that forum.  Now you bring it over here.  It's the same behavior over and over.  Yes, I can ignore you and for the most part I do.  At some point we all feel we need to speak up.  I will choose to continue to frequent this board and if you choose to that's fine as well.  Your ranting has grown tiresome.  I can honestly say that on all the message boards I frequent, I can't recall running into anyone like you that constantly wants to piss people off for no apparent reason.   
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: beersk on February 23, 2010, 07:56:09 PM
There's no such thing as "freedom" and there never was.  You're free to do whatever Great Leader tells you.  They really want you to believe that you're free, but trust me, you aren't.  Go watch a Bill Hicks standup bit, he'll tell you all about it.

Now why don't you all wipe off your mascara smeared eyes and get back to talking about beer?

Sorry to see you go, Loopy.  Maybe you'll be back someday.   :)

Cheers

PS
Here's a video for you to ponder and think about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs-nHQYY6Fg&feature=related
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: denny on February 23, 2010, 08:15:03 PM
I'm asking one more time to keep this on topic and say goodbye and good luck to Loopy.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: narvin on February 23, 2010, 08:36:08 PM
I don't necessarily read brewing forums as much as I used to just because I've already learned a lot.  My beer brewing takes less time now as well, but I still love beer and will be making it for quite a while!
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: majorvices on February 23, 2010, 09:24:54 PM
I'm actually amazed at how much I still have to learn. I enjoy the forum and waste way too much time on them.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: Hokerer on February 23, 2010, 10:17:18 PM
I'm actually amazed at how much I still have to learn. I enjoy the forum and waste way too much time on them.

aint that the truth!
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: weazletoe on February 23, 2010, 10:47:57 PM
Gonna miss ya Loopy! Thanks for all the help, and laughs. I'll think of you every time I see a pie chart.

As for the rest ......................Really? Again? REALLY??  ::)
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: capozzoli on February 24, 2010, 12:17:08 AM
I have been to those political taboo type forums. Its boring, no one wants to talk about beer.

Dont go loopy!
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: weazletoe on February 24, 2010, 12:57:58 AM
I have been to those political taboo type forums. Its boring, no one wants to talk about beer.


And don't even try and bring up cooking!   

   Hey, why don't we all head over to a political forum, and start a beer thread. See if maybe we can ourselves banned.  ;D
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: rabid_dingo on February 24, 2010, 01:10:57 AM
So long Loopy and thanks for all the fish!

 ;D
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: brewmasternpb on February 24, 2010, 01:29:44 AM
Yeah Loopy, I think you'll have just as much fun making great food!  I looked at some of your old posts, and they made me regret this diet I'm on...  If you cook like that, you don't have to brew, people will bring the beer to you!
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: mikeypedersen on February 24, 2010, 01:31:27 AM
I have been to those political taboo type forums. Its boring, no one wants to talk about beer.


And don't even try and bring up cooking!   

   Hey, why don't we all head over to a political forum, and start a beer thread. See if maybe we can ourselves banned.  ;D
Hillarious!  ;D
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: uthristy on February 24, 2010, 03:23:41 AM
http://www.homebrewchatter.com/board/index.php

say what you want, nobody will complain
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: dean on February 24, 2010, 12:12:43 PM
Take care Loopy, and don't sell all your brewing equipment... you'll want it again one day.   ;)
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: akr71 on February 24, 2010, 01:37:15 PM
Good luck in whatever you choose to pursue next.  Stop by from time to time and let us know what's cooking...
Seeya
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: dean on February 24, 2010, 01:57:56 PM
My apologies to the AHA forum and Glitterbug.... it just got away I guess. 
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: bluesman on February 24, 2010, 02:01:38 PM
If you have second thoughts...I want you to come back here.

This is the place for top notch homebrewing knowlege and expert advice.  ;)

Good Luck!  8)
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: 1vertical on February 24, 2010, 03:09:12 PM
If you go into production of those DIY attic antenna, send me a PM
cause I have all the stuff to make one, but am just too lazy.
I got a chili cook off coming up, wish me luck. Feel free to contact
me if Whyomin ever calls you to visit.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: fat58hwy on February 26, 2010, 12:24:48 AM
I never got overly involved with the forum topics at NB, but I did always enjoy reading your (Loopy's) posts. We're in the same profession so I usually got some good thought provoking information. Thanks and take care. Also, keep the brewing equipment. You never know when the bug might bite you again.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: MrNate on February 26, 2010, 12:52:04 AM
See ya Loopy. Can't say I don't understand it, but definitely keep your equipment for a while.

It was always a pleasure chatting with you.
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: euge on February 28, 2010, 06:40:02 AM
Well let's not say G'bye Loopy. How about we just see you on the flipside...

And I gotta say: if it ain't enjoyable anymore then it's time to move on.

euge
Title: Re: peace out
Post by: dirtyjerzey on March 01, 2010, 01:40:51 PM
I might be late to the party, but wanted to send you off with well wishes....def stop back and say hello once in a while.  You and I as well have very similar lines of work and your posts were always very informative...maybe I'll see you n 'bogra on chat once in a while.

Til later...