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Title: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: dean on February 24, 2010, 02:16:49 pm
When does the new issue come out?  I joined AHA in the end of December when they had already sent out Zymurgy so I'm kinda jones'n for my first issue.   :D
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: bendbrew on February 24, 2010, 02:29:00 pm
I received the March/April issue yesterday-Feb 23rd.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: blatz on February 24, 2010, 02:29:23 pm
I received the March/April issue yesterday-Feb 23rd.

+1
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: bluesman on February 24, 2010, 02:37:25 pm
I haven't received the latest issue yet.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: mikeypedersen on February 24, 2010, 03:44:23 pm
You shold have it by the weekend.  8)
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: jill on February 24, 2010, 03:51:44 pm
The March/April issue mailed on February 19...you should be getting it soon!

You can link to the mailing schedule at:

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/zymurgy/about-the-magazine


Cheers,

Jill Redding
Editor-in-Chief
Zymurgy
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: redbeerman on February 24, 2010, 05:25:58 pm
I received the March/April issue yesterday-Feb 23rd.

+1

+2
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 24, 2010, 07:38:38 pm
Once everyone has theirs, then I will get mine.  Our post office is at the end of the SE Michigan pipeline.

Edit - didn't come today, the 24th. 
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on February 25, 2010, 04:05:07 am
Could we get it as PDF download?
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: dbeechum on February 25, 2010, 04:59:02 am
Could we get it as PDF download?

It is one of the irons in the fire for the group.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: tygo on February 25, 2010, 05:59:43 am
Could we get it as PDF download?

It is one of the irons in the fire for the group.

That would be absolutely awesome.  I hate paper.  I'm not even sure where my last issue is at the moment.  I could ask my wife where she put it but it would be a lot easier to go click on my Zymurgy folder and just pull it up.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: Hokerer on February 25, 2010, 02:35:45 pm
That would be absolutely awesome.  I hate paper.  I'm not even sure where my last issue is at the moment.  I could ask my wife where she put it but it would be a lot easier to go click on my Zymurgy folder and just pull it up.

I don't know about that.  I don't take a laptop to the "office" in the morning, it's a lot easier sitting on the throne with the paper version. :)
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: Kaiser on February 25, 2010, 03:09:14 pm
Could we get it as PDF download?

It is one of the irons in the fire for the group.

There is something to be said about that.

Drew, are there concerns about widespread non-authorized distrubution? That may cut into brewer's willingness to sign up for the AHA unless most brewers don't sign up for Zymurgy in the first place. Would be nice if that is the case but I'm not so sure about it.

Kai
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: denny on February 25, 2010, 05:13:01 pm
Could we get it as PDF download?

It is one of the irons in the fire for the group.

There is something to be said about that.

Drew, are there concerns about widespread non-authorized distrubution? That may cut into brewer's willingness to sign up for the AHA unless most brewers don't sign up for Zymurgy in the first place. Would be nice if that is the case but I'm not so sure about it.

Kai

Kai, there are lots of concerns....I'm sure this will be one of the big topics of discussion at our GC mega-meeting at NHC this summer.  It was certainly a hot topic at our last meeting.  There's a lot to be worked out as to exactly how it will be done, but it's inevitable that it will happen.  Personally, I far prefer the printed page, but I'm an elderly curmudgeon....
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: dean on February 25, 2010, 05:15:26 pm
That would be absolutely awesome.  I hate paper.  I'm not even sure where my last issue is at the moment.  I could ask my wife where she put it but it would be a lot easier to go click on my Zymurgy folder and just pull it up.

I don't know about that.  I don't take a laptop to the "office" in the morning, it's a lot easier sitting on the throne with the paper version. :)

I'd rather have the magazine also... can't see myself lugging any style of computer around, I'd rather read a hardcopy anyday.  Nothing yet today, but then I'm in Michigan too.   ???


Curmudgeon?   :D
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: babalu87 on February 25, 2010, 05:18:51 pm
I prefer the printed page because of where I am when I am reading it:

Either on the couch in between whatever is on TV or .................well, that would be TMI

Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: Kaiser on February 25, 2010, 05:26:58 pm
I can definitely see how this is a hot topic.

I wonder to what extend there are already workable solutions available in the publishing industry. I think that many publishers, especially those of small circulation publications, are looking for a solution to this problem and I would not be surprised if Adobe, for example, is working on support for this.

There is something to be said about collecting the printed issues of any magazine. On the other hand, moving to a digital medium just makes sense. We (society) just have to figure out ways to curb unauthorized use.

Kai
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: babalu87 on February 25, 2010, 05:30:46 pm
Problem is always going to be there.

I can hit print screen and save anything we've ever seen on a CPU screen
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: Kaiser on February 25, 2010, 05:38:16 pm
Problem is always going to be there.

I can hit print screen and save anything we've ever seen on a CPU screen

Yes you can. You can also Xerox a print magazine or record from a CD. The question becomes how much do you want to own a copy of the content and is it easier for you to buy it or copy it. “easier” is meant in the very broad sense of time spent, risk taken, … etc.

I guess we are slipping into a discussion about how copyright and its protection. Which in itself can be very interesting and enlightening but is certainly very much off-topic.

Kai
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: tygo on February 25, 2010, 05:39:31 pm
That would be absolutely awesome.  I hate paper.  I'm not even sure where my last issue is at the moment.  I could ask my wife where she put it but it would be a lot easier to go click on my Zymurgy folder and just pull it up.

I don't know about that.  I don't take a laptop to the "office" in the morning, it's a lot easier sitting on the throne with the paper version. :)

Well, that's a good point as well.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: dbeechum on February 25, 2010, 05:43:55 pm
Indeed, it's the computer equivalent of the analog hole.

As I'm sure you guys can guess - Zymurgy adds up to pretty much the most expensive thing the AHA does every year. (Although the Conference is pretty damn expensive too). Everyone is moving towards digital distribution because the printing and mailing pieces are the most intensive cost we all have.

When you combine that with changing demographics and realize that to this new generation of brewers - paper doesn't mean as much - well you can see the outcome of that. Several years back my club after years of trying - finally switched to all digital. We had a lot of people b**** about the rest break friendliness of the paper version over the e-version, but those slowly drifted away. For a while we even offered a "paper or bit" option on the membership, but dropped it after only about 5 folks wanted it. Of course, I don't think anyone is deluded enough to think people join a local homebrew club for the newsletter.

So I think one of the things we really need to focus on is making sure the AHA is more than just Zymurgy to our members in addition to other educational bits.

Lastly, if anyone knows of any small "semi-commercial" publication that went digital, please let me or Gary or someone else know so we can study what their experience was. Thanks
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: bluesman on February 25, 2010, 05:45:38 pm
It is inevitable. The internet is slowly putting traditional publishing out of business. By the time a newspaper or magazine is printed and lands on your doorstep it is old news. In another 50 years, traditionally published newspapers and magazines will be a thing of the past. I know they will be available for the old school market but for the most part will be a thing of the past.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: Kaiser on February 25, 2010, 05:45:45 pm
I don't know about that.  I don't take a laptop to the "office" in the morning, it's a lot easier sitting on the throne with the paper version. :)

What has become an invaluable “throne companion” for me is my iPod (I’m too cheap to sign up for an iPhone). Yes, the experience compared to having a paper magazine is much worse, but what offsets this is that I have that thing with me all the time and with it stuff to read.

Kai
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: BrewArk on February 25, 2010, 05:51:13 pm
I'll weigh in too:

I received the current issue last night in the mail.  I'm almost finished reading cover to cover.  For that purpose I prefer paper.  Even if it were distributed in PDF, I'd print it out to read it.

Over time I had a stack of 15 year old magazines, my beloved determined that they had to go to the recycling station.  For clutter sake I concurred.  Now my problem is I have an online index of articles that I've recycled.

If the PDFs were in a "members only" section, I could reference articles without having to store the library in my brewshack.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: glitterbug on February 25, 2010, 05:52:39 pm
I can definitely see how this is a hot topic.

I wonder to what extend there are already workable solutions available in the publishing industry. I think that many publishers, especially those of small circulation publications, are looking for a solution to this problem and I would not be surprised if Adobe, for example, is working on support for this.

There is something to be said about collecting the printed issues of any magazine. On the other hand, moving to a digital medium just makes sense. We (society) just have to figure out ways to curb unauthorized use.

Kai


All DRM protections can be circumvented and are generally anti-consumer. I think they should approach the problem with the understanding that not all unauthorized use can be stopped.

They should consider releasing articles (not entire issues) digitally after a certain period of time to current subscribers. This will provide an incentive to subscribe to get the newest content and provide a digital archive to current subscribers.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: dean on February 25, 2010, 05:54:58 pm
If somebody wants up to the minute news they should watch the news channels on cable or dish etc.  I like having old copies of mags around because of the "old is now new" phenomena... like homebrewing.   ;)  What if a person suddenly can't afford to renew their membership for one reason or another or has their hardrive crash... a hardcopy at least you can read 10 years later.  Just something to chew on...
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: denny on February 25, 2010, 05:58:17 pm
What if a person suddenly can't afford to renew their membership for one reason or another or has their hardrive crash... a hardcopy at least you can read 10 years later.  Just something to chew on...

Great points, Dean.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: tygo on February 25, 2010, 05:59:38 pm
...or has their hardrive crash... a hardcopy at least you can read 10 years later.  Just something to chew on...

That's what external hard drives are for.  Or you could back them up and burn them to a DVD as well.  I do like having the paper copy but for archiving purposes it would be really nice to have a soft copy as well.

I think what Drew said above hits the mark.  If people feel that the magazine is the primary value they're getting from the AHA then taking it digital will hurt badly.  If there's enough additional value over just Zymurgy then it's not that big of a deal.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: Kaiser on February 25, 2010, 06:09:26 pm
All DRM protections can be circumvented and are generally anti-consumer. I think they should approach the problem with the understanding that not all unauthorized use can be stopped.

The same is already true for a hard copy of anything. People are physically able to steal material things as well. It’s just that protection technology lags behind sharing and display technology. Similar to opening a store before figuring out how to keep people from stealing the merchandise.

What if a person suddenly can't afford to renew their membership for one reason or another or has their hardrive crash... a hardcopy at least you can read 10 years later.  Just something to chew on...

This is a problem we already have to solve for ourselves anyway. Our family photo collection on disk is huge and the absence of a reliable back-up system is something that scares me.

I don’t expect Zymurgy to blaze the trail on this and expect that we will enjoy a paper issue for at least the next few years. I just feel that digital distribution is coming one way or another. In the end it may be the force of simple economics that pushes us there. You may still print the magazine at home but at some point that may become too much of a burden and readers may have developed enough to provide a good enough reading experience that you’ll stop doing it.

PS: I just noticed hat Drew made many of the points I made. I just didn't notice his post until after I wrote mine.

Kai
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: babalu87 on February 25, 2010, 06:16:50 pm
Maybe they/we could have both?

Have advertising on the web version as well, sort of like what newspapers do?

Funny, my wife saw the GIANT Budweiser ad in this months issue and asked me
Whats THAT doing in there?  ;D
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: mikeypedersen on February 25, 2010, 06:18:16 pm

That's what external hard drives are for.  Or you could back them up and burn them to a DVD as well.  

Just playing devil's advocate here, but what's to stop the unethical person from illegal distrobution if you could save them and distribute to friends, who then don't feel like they have to sign up for the AHA?

Personally I think that I get a lot more value from other aspects of being a memeber, but it is a great little perk!
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: babalu87 on February 25, 2010, 06:23:10 pm
Actually, can I patent my idea?

AHA might be able to make more money with a web version that has advertising.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: Kaiser on February 25, 2010, 06:29:44 pm
Actually, can I patent my idea?

AHA might be able to make more money with a web version that has advertising.

Now, this is something where I would have an issue with. An on-line only version would only be practical if I had access to the internet everywhere I may end up and wanted to read the magazine.

Advertising is ok, but I always prefer it to be at a minimum and approved sponsors. Don’t let Google choose what they want to advertise.

Kai
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: beerocd on February 25, 2010, 06:37:26 pm
an invaluable “throne companion” for me is my iPod

ewww. (yeah I know real mature)
Maybe because I'm old I don't figure stuff like that belongs in the bathroom.
If you take it in with you it's tainted forever.... like the Seinfeld "george reading in the can" episode.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: tygo on February 25, 2010, 06:37:45 pm

That's what external hard drives are for.  Or you could back them up and burn them to a DVD as well.  

Just playing devil's advocate here, but what's to stop the unethical person from illegal distrobution if you could save them and distribute to friends, who then don't feel like they have to sign up for the AHA?

Personally I think that I get a lot more value from other aspects of being a memeber, but it is a great little perk!

I completely agree.  There's nothing to stop it.  If that's all a significant portion of the membership feels they're getting from the AHA then it wouldn't be a good idea.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: mikeypedersen on February 25, 2010, 06:40:10 pm
ewww. (yeah I know real mature)
Maybe because I'm old I don't figure stuff like that belongs in the bathroom.
If you take it in with you it's tainted forever.... like the Seinfeld "george reading in the can" episode.
Sorry Sir, this Ipod is flagged.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: a10t2 on February 25, 2010, 06:57:38 pm
Just playing devil's advocate here, but what's to stop the unethical person from illegal distrobution if you could save them and distribute to friends, who then don't feel like they have to sign up for the AHA?

You think copies of Zymurgy don't get passed around? ;)

Not that it's an invalid concern, but it isn't one that's unique to a digital copy.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: babalu87 on February 25, 2010, 07:21:45 pm
Actually, can I patent my idea?

AHA might be able to make more money with a web version that has advertising.

Now, this is something where I would have an issue with. An on-line only version would only be practical if I had access to the internet everywhere I may end up and wanted to read the magazine.

Advertising is ok, but I always prefer it to be at a minimum and approved sponsors. Don’t let Google choose what they want to advertise.

Kai


No, not an online only version but print (like we get now) AND an online version like the newspapers are all currently using.

Think of the advertising revenue the AHA could get?
Might also help to educate people

Quote
The American Homebrewers Association (AHA) is deeply passionate about
all aspects of homebrewing and beer culture: technical, artistic, sensory, and social.

As a member-driven organization, the American Homebrewers Association educates and promotes the homebrewing hobby through its publications, programs, and events.

I would NEVER want it to go web only
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: dontblake on February 25, 2010, 07:43:08 pm
Couple of comments:

We also subscribe to Cook's illustrated.  Excellent 6x/year magazine with no ads whatsoever.  Cook's illustrated also has a website, which they make you pay more for (which I hate - and haven't ever subscribed to the online version).

But, if the publishing of Zymurgy is so expensive, might it make sense to charge a basic fee wherein you would have access to the digital version of Zymurgy and for a nominal extra fee (which, when combined with the basic fee would be in the neighborhood of today's membership fee) to get the printed version?   Seems sorta like charging extra for soft drinks, luggage, or even blankets on an airplane, but if there's some discount for a "digital only" model, then it may make sense.

I do realize that it costs a lot of money to print a magazine and determining how many fewer printed copies would be needed would be difficult.   And it's probably not much cheaper to print 5000 copies vs 50000.

As someone mentioned, we all have access to an online index, but not the actual material.   This is indeed a bummer for me personally since I lost a large portion of my issues from the 90's to water damage at home. 

Just some lunchtime ramblings
Cheers

Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: mikeypedersen on February 25, 2010, 07:45:47 pm

You think copies of Zymurgy don't get passed around? ;)

Not that it's an invalid concern, but it isn't one that's unique to a digital copy.
The fact that you can forward a PDF copy of a file to your whole contact list in a matter of seconds is a little bit more disturbing than letting a friend borrow a magazine.  Think how long it would take that magazine to usefully change hands 300 times; maybe a few years.  One e-mail can get that magazine into the hands of those same 300 people instantly.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for less paper, these are things that need to be contemplated.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on February 25, 2010, 08:12:00 pm

You think copies of Zymurgy don't get passed around? ;)

Not that it's an invalid concern, but it isn't one that's unique to a digital copy.

The fact that you can forward a PDF copy of a file to your whole contact list in a matter of seconds is a little bit more disturbing than letting a friend borrow a magazine.  Think how long it would take that magazine to usefully change hands 300 times; maybe a few years.  One e-mail can get that magazine into the hands of those same 300 people instantly.

Look what I have started.

I think we are putting buggy before horse in here.
I could also jump off that bridge but will I?

I quess we should be thinking how to have better access to the info then who could steal it.
The info is put there by us for us.  
By the wy, my white is on my email distribution list and she could care less about some brewing PDF file.

Magazine is most likely delivered to theprinter in PDF format.
There are also other delivery methods like Oracle Magazine (IT magazine).
 

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for less paper, these are things that need to be contemplated.

Moderator Note: Edited Quote Tags for Clarity
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: mikeypedersen on February 25, 2010, 08:20:37 pm
My point was in regards to someone wanting to be able to save copies on a hard drive or other removable drive. If you could do that, then it would/could be distributed in ways that the AHA didn't intend on. Let's not get hung up on file types and who is on our distribution lists.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: dbeechum on February 25, 2010, 08:32:26 pm
I have to say that I'm happy this discussion is happening like this. There's going to be a ton of communication and question asking of the membership as the org contemplates how to adjust to the new world we're seeing.

Just so everyone knows my stance - I hate intrusive DRM. I tend to think of DRM as a little suitcase combo lock that really only inconveniences the honest folk and does nothing to stop anyone who's serious.

In some ways I think have to look at content as a loss leader. If you go and share the magazine with a few friends - that's exposure we wouldn't have had before. We have to provide a reason for that person who got a free copy of the magazine to pay their dues. How and what we do, I don't know yet. So far the answer for other groups seems to be something different for each of organization.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: glitterbug on February 25, 2010, 09:24:19 pm
In some ways I think have to look at content as a loss leader. If you go and share the magazine with a few friends - that's exposure we wouldn't have had before. We have to provide a reason for that person who got a free copy of the magazine to pay their dues. How and what we do, I don't know yet. So far the answer for other groups seems to be something different for each of organization.

Rupert Murdoch and Co are planning on selling access to the news on the web. I believe the plan is to restrict the paid content to current\new articles and then freely publishing everything after a certain period of time. This provides an incentive to pay and gives the cheapos access to the articles at a later date. Maybe you should look at a similar strategy?
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: denny on February 25, 2010, 09:48:54 pm
Like Drew said, this is an interesting and informative conversation.  These are all issues we've been thinking about and will continue to wrestle with.  It's really valuable to have inputs and ideas from AHA members...after all, that's who we're trying to serve.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: beerocd on February 25, 2010, 09:59:41 pm
Go NASCAR - advertisements all over the place. Free access = more eyeballs = more ad sales. Glitterbug's idea of staggered release of articles was good too for encouraging membership. Paid members get first peek at newest articles.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: mikeypedersen on February 25, 2010, 10:06:47 pm
I agree, Glitterbug's idea seems like an excellent way to handle this!
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: rabid_dingo on February 26, 2010, 07:27:09 am
I'll throw my vote into the "I want a Kindle version" Or kindle for iPod/iTouch versions.

I have to say, or ask that is...If the distribution of the magazine is based on paid subscriptions how
does that translate to additional cost to the AHA/printing company? Is it based on potential revenue lost
by distribution to LHBS's where the issues are available to purchase?

If I hand my copy over to my non-member friend did the AHA just lose money? Even though I am a member.

I'm just trying to understand the cost and revenue process for publications. I have never really thought about it.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: glitterbug on February 26, 2010, 03:20:51 pm
I'm just trying to understand the cost and revenue process for publications. I have never really thought about it.

It is really no different than any other business. You have costs and revenues or Profit = Revenue - Cost.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: dean on February 26, 2010, 05:32:57 pm
WOHOOOOOO!  Got my first issue today... and it couldn't be more perfect for my first one... I definitely like being "outside the box".   :D
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: glitterbug on February 26, 2010, 07:10:18 pm
I definitely like being "outside the box".   :D

You are "10 miles outside and away from the box"  :D
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 27, 2010, 12:43:15 am
WOHOOOOOO!  Got my first issue today... and it couldn't be more perfect for my first one... I definitely like being "outside the box".   :D

Mine arrived this afternoon.  So Dean, you don't live to far out in the sticks.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: dean on February 27, 2010, 12:42:20 pm

Mine arrived this afternoon.  So Dean, you don't live to far out in the sticks.

Just far enough that I can't get cable or high speed internet, I tried the "3G" wireless and its slower than dialup... the operator said there were no 3G towers close enough to me.  All the whoopla on TV about maps are 110% bullshyt... at least what they show for MI.   ::)

Wow... whoever questioned why Deadguy Ale is so expensive should read a copy of Zymurgy this month eh?   ;D
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: Hokerer on March 03, 2010, 02:00:39 pm
Mine arrived this afternoon.  So Dean, you don't live to far out in the sticks.

Talk about out in the sticks, my issue finally came in yesterday's (Tue) mail.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: sienabrewer on March 03, 2010, 02:25:04 pm

I have to say, or ask that is...If the distribution of the magazine is based on paid subscriptions how
does that translate to additional cost to the AHA/printing company? Is it based on potential revenue lost
by distribution to LHBS's where the issues are available to purchase?

If I hand my copy over to my non-member friend did the AHA just lose money? Even though I am a member.

I'm just trying to understand the cost and revenue process for publications. I have never really thought about it.

This was my first thought too.  How much money is the AHA spending in addition to the dues the individual member pays to receive the magazine?  I can understand removing the magazine from book stores and shops and distributing it solely to members only.  I'll offer my opinion, which is simple.  After spending all day in front of a computer working, the last thing I want to do when I go home is read my hobby magazines (I have a few)....on a computer.  Aside from supporting homebrewing through my dues, I can honestly say the magazine (in paper) is why I subscribe.  I honestly have no problem paying a bit more if that would be the case.  However, if the magazine were to go to online only I would in all likelihood let my membership run out..
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 03, 2010, 03:09:02 pm
Mine arrived this afternoon.  So Dean, you don't live to far out in the sticks.

Talk about out in the sticks, my issue finally came in yesterday's (Tue) mail.

Got you beat...still waiting on mine in NH.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: tygo on March 03, 2010, 03:48:27 pm
Just got mine yesterday.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: Kaiser on March 03, 2010, 04:55:24 pm
Got you beat...still waiting on mine in NH.

Some NH folks already got them. There were comments about my article in Brew Free or Die e-mail just a few days ago. But those live mostly in southern NH.

Kai
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 03, 2010, 04:57:10 pm
Got you beat...still waiting on mine in NH.

Some NH folks already got them. There were comments about my article in Brew Free or Die e-mail just a few days ago. But those live mostly in southern NH.

Kai

I'm in Southern NH in BFD territory but hopefully it's there today ( or maybe the wife hid it on me ).  I usually get it sooner or later.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 03, 2010, 05:00:54 pm
Wow, some are much later than me.  No more complaints about my Post Office.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: mrcceo on March 03, 2010, 07:51:32 pm
I didn't receive mine so I e-mailed them yesterday and their mailing out another copy.
I also did not receive my copy of BYO and that was supposedly mailed out in early February.
With two magazines missing I'm wondering if someone in the post office is learning how to brew on my dime.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 03, 2010, 08:00:58 pm
I didn't receive mine so I e-mailed them yesterday and their mailing out another copy.
I also did not receive my copy of BYO and that was supposedly mailed out in early February.
With two magazines missing I'm wondering if someone in the post office is learning how to brew on my dime.

Whatever helps grow the membership base  :)
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: mrcceo on March 03, 2010, 08:45:13 pm
That's funny but my wife thinks I sacrifice enough for the cause already  ;D
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: bluesman on March 03, 2010, 09:25:40 pm
Got it yesterday!
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: mthogan1997 on March 03, 2010, 09:57:42 pm
I haven't gotten the last 2 issues of zymurgy - really glad I renewed my membership last June for 3 years :'(.

I've emailed everyone and their brother on the contact page and have gotten a grand total of 0 responses. I do get BYO, so at least a little beer reading is coming my way.

Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: Slowbrew on March 03, 2010, 10:30:40 pm
Leaving the whole question of Copyright and Intellectual Property out of the conversation, there are some features that would be nice to have in a digital version of the magazine. 

The first one that comes to mind is "Import this recipe into BeerSmith" or whichever brewing software packages AHA chooses to support.  It might just drive a compatible file format standard between packages.

A second is Online discussion about a particular article, preferably with the author/s involved, directly linked to the story.

Automatic links to corrections if they're necessary.

I'm sure there are many, many others.

My $.02 worth.  Love the magazine, where ever I get to read it.   ;)
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: stevej on March 04, 2010, 01:03:44 am
I'm just going to toss out some thoughts on this.

Having the entire collection of Zymurgy available electronically would be fantastic! It would all be searchable, indexable, and could all be crossreferenced. Want a list of all the articles on Belgian Beer? Just a simple search would do that. How about wanting a list of everything on water chemistry? I wouldn't want to read a fixed index of everything to go thru and pick out articles on water, but a simple search would do that, too. Keep it all online in a members-only area, but also give the option of receiving a printed copy.

The benefit of the online area would be access to issues from past years when you were not a member, which would be offset by the lower cost of not printing and mailing a hardcopy to them. You could even separate them into years, and only give access to members who were members during that year. More setup, more maintenance, but once access for a year is set up it doesn't change. Maybe even sell access to years to folks who weren't members during that year. There's a possibility for more revenue generation.

But I am not a member of the AHA just to get a magazine, or to get discounts on NHComp entries, or discounts on NHConf registration, or pub discounts, or to receive techtalk, or any of the other tangible benefits.

I am a  member of the AHA because they are the prime advocate for the hobby that I love and an organization that I believe in. It isn't what I personally gain from membership ... it is that the organization exists to look out for my right to brew my own beer. That in itself is enough reason to be a member. But I know that most people need some tangible benefit in order to belong to an organization. They don't exist to make money for any individual or corporation ... they exist to ensure the survival of the hobby. And it takes money to do that.

Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: tygo on March 04, 2010, 03:00:53 am
+100 to Steve's post.  There are quite a few good ideas in there.  Maybe just have all of the articles online in html format instead of emailing out PDF copies.  Sure you could still copy and paste a particular article and send to a friend but it wouldn't be the same as having a pdf of the whole magazine to just forward along.  The idea of maybe a one time fee to access all of the articles from the beginning of the publication is also a great idea, both from a revenue generation and member benefit perspective.

Definitely still some challenges and costs to implementing but more good ideas.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: denny on March 04, 2010, 04:56:56 pm
A second is Online discussion about a particular article, preferably with the author/s involved, directly linked to the story.

Something like this is already in the pipeline.  We will open a "Members Only" section of the website for AHA members, and it will feature an "Ask the Experts" forum.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: Kaiser on March 04, 2010, 09:31:21 pm
-- double post --
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: Kaiser on March 04, 2010, 09:32:43 pm
Something like this is already in the pipeline.  We will open a "Members Only" section of the website for AHA members, and it will feature an "Ask the Experts" forum.

Oh Great. I thought that I would be safe from questions when writing for a print magazine ;D

But in all seriousness. This is a good idea. In the past I just opened a thread on any of the forums if I feel I wanted to discuss an article further.

Kai
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: bluesman on March 04, 2010, 09:33:07 pm
A second is Online discussion about a particular article, preferably with the author/s involved, directly linked to the story.

Something like this is already in the pipeline.  We will open a "Members Only" section of the website for AHA members, and it will feature an "Ask the Experts" forum.


Any more details?
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: denny on March 04, 2010, 09:59:19 pm
Any more details?

Not really at this point.  We're working on the technical issues involved and looking at ideas that might get things underway ASAP.  As soo as there's a plan, we'll let everybody know!
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 22, 2010, 08:48:53 pm
Oh Where Oh Where could my Zymurgy Be?  Oh Where Oh where can it be?

Still haven't received it...emailed them today though. 
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: caphector on March 23, 2010, 07:16:35 pm
I'd like to throw my two cents in.

Firstly, while a paper magazine is great and fun to read, when I'm searching for info I like being able to do a text search. Someone mentioned Cook's Illustrated earlier; I buy and read the magazine intermittently, but their site is the first place I go when searching for cooking info. Why? Because they have loads of info online, both full articles and recipes. I like having their entire archives at my fingertips, being able to read stuff from long before I'd been aware of the magazine.

I've been considering joining AHA (pretty much sold at this point), but if there was a historical archive of Zymurgy available (Complete would be awesome, partial a tad less so) the I'd've been sold.

I also want to say that I'd still want a paper copy; I'd just want the PDF or online version for easy searching.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: kgs on March 29, 2010, 07:57:41 pm
The first one that comes to mind is "Import this recipe into BeerSmith" or whichever brewing software packages AHA chooses to support.  It might just drive a compatible file format standard between packages.

There is a standard markup language used by several software programs: BeerXML. The standard is in need of updating and attention, but even in its present form it enables an industry standard for beer recipes in a markup language that should be readable long after all of us have had our last beers on this earth.

Beersmith natively supports BeerXML (import and export); from what I have read, Promash recipes can be converted to BeerXML, which then can be imported into Beersmith, etc.

Publishing Zymurgy's recipes in BeerXML and linking them from the website or forum (in both XML and rendered HTML) would be helpful in many ways, big and small.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: BrewArk on March 30, 2010, 05:27:52 pm
Publishing Zymurgy's recipes in BeerXML and linking them from the website or forum (in both XML and rendered HTML) would be helpful in many ways, big and small.

+1
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: alikocho on April 05, 2010, 01:15:05 pm
I can think of thousands of semi-commercial journals that have dealt with this issue.  All are academic (we're talking highly specialized, and have personal subscription rates running at around 100+ bucks), but the way they deal with things is a moving wall of around three years. What this means is that they only put content that is older than three years online, for subscribers to access freely. Given the nature of the academic environment, they are (I am reliably informed) of the opinion that pdfs will be passed around, but they are fine with this as within certain limits it constitutes fair use under copyright law and they are aware that there is a very limited market for back issues.

The AHA could adopt a similar approach, and have a way for members to access old issues while not making the more recent ones available for non-subscribers to rip off (but are AHA members going to put Zymurgy out on bittorrent sites, given that most of us aren't just in it for Zymurgy?). While I appreciate that the AHA would like to recoup costs through selling back issues, it is prohibitively expensive to buy many issues.

I also feel I should add that the 'zymurgy archive' section on the website leads one to believe that you can get old issues there, but this is not the case...There are loads of articles I'd like to read that I never saw, and recipes I'd like to get, but all I can see is when they were printed!
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: denny on April 05, 2010, 03:38:39 pm
Thanks for everybody's thoughts and keep 'em coming!  I can guarantee that we'll be discussing this at our GC meeting this June.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: jeremyazevedo on September 17, 2012, 03:01:54 pm
I hate to drag this thread back from the dead, but dbeechum asked about any "semi-commercial" publications that went digital.  The one that I receive regularly is Draft Magazine, which is also content relevant.  Not only do I receive the print version, but I can also go online and download the PDF, which I save to my phone or eReader.  I MUCH prefer digital to paper, simply because I can keep it forever without the clutter, I can search for things quickly, and of course it saves a few trees.
Title: Re: Zymurgy Magazine?
Post by: ca_mouse on March 02, 2013, 06:39:26 am
March 1st and I'm still waiting. Last issue didn't arrive until it had been in my LHS for 3 weeks.