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Title: NHC Competition question...
Post by: udubdawg on December 04, 2012, 01:14:08 PM
so I'm brewing as fast as I can for NHC 2013.  I see February 26th is shown as the day we can start registering entries.  I also know we have to pay shortly after registering.
My concern is that I may be paying for entries before they are ready, and as such before I know if they are any good. 
Therefore my question is:  After I pay, can I still edit my entries?  In other words, if I register/pay for an entry and two weeks later decide it isn't very good, can I change that entry to a category I've got on hand that *IS* good?

(I assume this was never a problem until recent years when the contest started filling up in record time...)

thanks in advance...this is the first time I'll enter; looking forward to it.
cheers--
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: Janis on December 05, 2012, 09:28:13 AM
Hi Michael,

That's great that you are already brewing for the competition!

The online registration opens February 26th at 1 p.m. Mountain Time.  After you enter the brews, you must pay for your entries within 24 hours, or the entries will be deleted and you'll have to input the information again.  Once your paid entries are registered, the registration system will allow you to edit your entries until noon (12 Mountain Time) on Friday, March 15, 2013.  The registration will still allow you to print your labels until the end of the shipping window which is 5 p.m. Mountain Time on Wednesday, March 27, 2013.

Good luck in the competition!

Cheers,
    Janis
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: udubdawg on January 09, 2013, 10:03:25 AM
Sorry Janis, I forgot to thank you for your prompt answer to my question.

Next questions:  Any updates on if first round entries will still only require one bottle? 
And last year there was talk of a possible limit on entries per person - any update on that?

thanks in advance--
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: Janis on January 09, 2013, 11:45:51 AM
Hi Michael,

Based on all of the feedback from last year's competition, there are a number of changes being implemented this year.  The AHA will be making the changes known on the front page of our web site, through social media, on the Forum, etc. in the next week or two.

Good luck in the competition!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: tygo on January 24, 2013, 09:02:12 AM
Looks like the changes have been posted:

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/community/news/show?title=national-homebrew-competition-sees-changes-in-2013

- 15 entry cap
- Eliminating the Canadian qualifier and adding a new extra US 1st round site
- $2 increase in entry fees to help fund enhancements to the 1st round comps

And a couple of other things.
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: theDarkSide on January 24, 2013, 09:22:41 AM
Gary was on The Brewing Network last Sunday and explained the reasons behind some of the changes. The changes seem to have been made for good reasons.  I was surprised that a lot of the Canadian qualifiers didn't send their beers to the 2nd round.

I love the tiebreaker rules for Ninkasi too, with a coin flip at the end ( but very unlikely to ever reach that point ).
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: Janis on January 24, 2013, 09:37:17 AM
Thanks Clint.

In addition to Clint's summary, here are the rest of the changes for 2013:

+ Two (2) bottles per entry are required in the First Round.
+ The tiebreaker rules for the Ninkasi Award have been changed/expanded due to the 15 entries per person rule.
+ There are 11 Judge Centers in the U.S. this year.  These have been registered with the BJCP, but here is the list of cities with First Round competitions: Seattle, San Francisco, San Diego, Denver, Tulsa (OK), Kansas City (MO), Saint Paul, Milwaukee, Atlanta, Zanesville (OH), and New York City.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: Janis on January 24, 2013, 11:30:42 AM
Gary was on The Brewing Network last Sunday and explained the reasons behind some of the changes. The changes seem to have been made for good reasons.  I was surprised that a lot of the Canadian qualifiers didn't send their beers to the 2nd round.

I love the tiebreaker rules for Ninkasi too, with a coin flip at the end ( but very unlikely to ever reach that point ).

Hi Stephen,

We had 53 of 84 Canadian entries submitted (31 not submitted) in 2012 to the Final Round which is ~63%.  There were another 22 entries from all of the U.S. competitions (840 entries possible) that were no shows.  I know that some of the Canadian no shows were held up at Customs and returned to Canada, and I have to think the extra effort involved with shipping and having to get through Customs can be a deterrent to Canadians entering.

For the Ninkasi tiebreaker we have added 7 levels including the coin flip.  I'm fairly certain that we will never end up using the coin flip, but you never know.  I'm glad you caught Gary's interview on the Brewing Network!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: james on January 24, 2013, 02:19:31 PM
I love the 2 bottle requirement, though I'm sure anyone running the cellar might not agree with me.

Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: kramerog on January 24, 2013, 03:07:31 PM
Boo to the coin flip.  If the other 6  tiebreakers can't determine a winner then we should have tie.
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: james on January 24, 2013, 03:25:45 PM
Boo to the coin flip.  If the other 6  tiebreakers can't determine a winner then we should have tie.

I think the coin flip only happens after the steel cage to the death match.  If by some chance both entrants come out of the cage alive then it is down to a coin flip.

or maybe step 6 was paper rock scissors and step 5 was the steel cage match.
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: kramerog on January 24, 2013, 03:37:49 PM
A steel cage match sounds fair.  I think the steel cage match is why Jamil and Gordon are no longer shooting for the Ninkasi.
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: gsandel on January 24, 2013, 03:44:21 PM
I think the changes will be positive, except for as a steward, I don't relish having to deal with double the amount of bottles....imagine trying to find a beer's mate after a full 2 days of comp.....gives me the chills thinking about the logistics.

That and all the wasted beer....oh the horror!

Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: garc_mall on January 24, 2013, 11:29:00 PM
I think the changes will be positive, except for as a steward, I don't relish having to deal with double the amount of bottles....imagine trying to find a beer's mate after a full 2 days of comp.....gives me the chills thinking about the logistics.

That and all the wasted beer....oh the horror!

We don't waste beer in Seattle.

Did you see the last night of NHC?
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: theDarkSide on January 25, 2013, 06:38:09 AM
I think the changes will be positive, except for as a steward, I don't relish having to deal with double the amount of bottles....imagine trying to find a beer's mate after a full 2 days of comp.....gives me the chills thinking about the logistics.

That and all the wasted beer....oh the horror!

We don't waste beer in Seattle.

Did you see the last night of NHC?

That was a great idea putting out the left over bottles.  Are you the first to do that or does that happen every year? 
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 25, 2013, 08:14:53 AM
I think the changes will be positive, except for as a steward, I don't relish having to deal with double the amount of bottles....imagine trying to find a beer's mate after a full 2 days of comp.....gives me the chills thinking about the logistics.

That and all the wasted beer....oh the horror!
You send 3 beers per second round qualifier.  That was a lot of beer out there that last night.
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: Janis on January 25, 2013, 09:02:57 AM
Hi Stephen,

Because there are a lot of leftover beers from the Final Round, the organizers make sure it is put out following the Awards Ceremony; otherwise they have to haul it back home and figure out what to do with it.

Jeff,

You're right, there were a lot of leftovers in Seattle because last year the number of competitions went from 10 to 11.  With 10 competitions there are 840 possible entries in the Final Round, and for the previous 3 or 4 years, only 760 were actually submitted to the Final Round.  With 11 competitions there are 924 possible entries, and last year 871 were actually submitted.  That's an increase of 111 entries, so 333 additional bottles.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: james on January 25, 2013, 09:06:51 AM
That was a great idea putting out the left over bottles.  Are you the first to do that or does that happen every year?

Having the scoresheets available was pretty awesome too.  I'm sure it is a pretty massive undertaking to get them ready by that time, but think of the postage savings!
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: Janis on January 25, 2013, 09:50:08 AM
That was a great idea putting out the left over bottles.  Are you the first to do that or does that happen every year?

Having the scoresheets available was pretty awesome too.  I'm sure it is a pretty massive undertaking to get them ready by that time, but think of the postage savings!
Hi James,

The ability to have the score sheets available immediately after the Awards Ceremony is completely dependent on the local organizer having a system with experienced volunteers in place during the competition.  As the entries are judged, the scores are entered into the competition database, and the score sheets are given to the collating crew to assemble the packages for the brewers. 

There isn't really any savings on postage, since I mail out a letter with the score sheets to every Final Round entrant.  If there are no score sheets, I still mail out the letter.  The winning entrants get their score sheets, and a letter, plus a press release for each winning entry, in addition to the medal and prizes if they didn't collect those at the awards ceremony.  It's still great for the entrants to get their score sheets quickly, rather than having to wait for 2 to 3 weeks for the shipment back to the Brewers Association, the printing, and finally the packaging to happen.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: udubdawg on January 25, 2013, 10:24:47 AM
I think the changes will be positive, except for as a steward, I don't relish having to deal with double the amount of bottles....imagine trying to find a beer's mate after a full 2 days of comp.....gives me the chills thinking about the logistics.

That and all the wasted beer....oh the horror!

We don't waste beer in Seattle.

Did you see the last night of NHC?

yeah that was great.  I feel I learned quite a bit about Cat 7 after trying several of the NHC second round beers that night. 
However since the gsandel seems to be talking about the first round, it remains to be seen how the excess beers will be dealt with.  We're talking about a fairly small group of first-round stewards and judges and staff to take several hundred bottles rather than 2000 thirsty homebrewers!
Whatever; since I often am forced to bottle condition due to lack of keg space I'm just happy that I should not have cloudy re-pours for mini-BOS!

cheers--
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: P.J. on January 26, 2013, 01:29:10 PM
As a past NHC 1st Round Judge Coordinator, I welcome the decision to have two bottles in the 1st Round.
I understand the challenges of handling 1500 bottles, but the objective of any homebrew competition is to give entrants good quality feedback on their creations and recognize their efforts with the accolades they deserve.  I'm confident having two bottles in 1st Round will increase the quality of the results, by reducing errors and advancing the most deserving entries to the 2nd Round. 
Title: Another NHC Competition question...
Post by: tesgüino on March 11, 2013, 06:53:34 AM
On "My Entry and Entries" it has me listed as shipping entries. Is this something that's locked in? Do I have the option to drop off my entries?

Juggling kegs to get the proper carbonation levels is turning into a challenge and taking longer than I had planned. Hoping that dropping off will be an option (and a good excuse to go into the city.)
Title: Re: Another NHC Competition question...
Post by: Janis on March 11, 2013, 08:51:29 AM
On "My Entry and Entries" it has me listed as shipping entries. Is this something that's locked in? Do I have the option to drop off my entries?

Juggling kegs to get the proper carbonation levels is turning into a challenge and taking longer than I had planned. Hoping that dropping off will be an option (and a good excuse to go into the city.)
Hi,

If you log in to your registration information, the Shipping/Drop-Off is a drop-down, so you can change it to Drop-Off.

Good luck in the competition!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: udubdawg on March 12, 2013, 07:53:37 PM
general thought:  50 characters is not a lot of space to accurately describe what I've done with some of my creations.  This limit is making me reconsider which I enter.
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: Janis on March 13, 2013, 03:03:49 PM
general thought:  50 characters is not a lot of space to accurately describe what I've done with some of my creations.  This limit is making me reconsider which I enter.
Hi,

I realize the 50 character limit can pose some problems for the more adventuresome/creative homebrewers entering the competition.  My intent was to keep the "my Aunt Bessie loves this beer and thinks I should go pro..." comments out of the description that gets printed on the pull sheets for the judges and also on Avery 5160 labels in the Final Round.

Another thing every homebrewer whose entry requires special ingredients should think about is whether the ingredient is discernable in the finished product.  If you add 20 spices to a beer, not all 20 will be distinguishable in the final beer.  If all 20 are listed and the judges can only identify 3, the beer may not be scored as high; however, it's a sure thing that not all 20 spices will fit on an Avery 5160 address label.

I'm sure we'll find some interesting abbreviations in the special ingredients this year, and we may even find that 50 characters is too restrictive, but we had to start somewhere.  Thanks for the feedback!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: tesgüino on March 16, 2013, 07:00:19 AM
I also wanted to tweak a description. Could have sworn that last year I could edit my entries right up to the day they were due. Just went to make a change and no longer see the edit feature. Nowhere did I read a final date for editing entries. Did I miss it somewhere? What's up?
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 16, 2013, 07:29:29 AM
I also wanted to tweak a description. Could have sworn that last year I could edit my entries right up to the day they were due. Just went to make a change and no longer see the edit feature. Nowhere did I read a final date for editing entries. Did I miss it somewhere? What's up?
The date was yesterday, March 15th.
See Part II.
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/pages/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/competition-information/rules-and-regulations#part2
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: tesgüino on March 16, 2013, 07:36:15 AM
Oops! Missed that. Thanks.
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: hopfenundmalz on March 16, 2013, 07:38:39 AM
Oops! Missed that. Thanks.
Edited my etries on Thurday night, printed the labels on Friday. Was on time for once!
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: udubdawg on March 16, 2013, 08:55:02 AM
I would have also likely missed the deadline but Janet was nice enough to answer that question on the first reply of the thread so I made sure to put in a calendar reminder. 

Could have used the weekend to finalize my entries and I'm sure those that only got registered this week could have too.  Did have to get inventive in using only 50 characters, but so be it.  Everyone else is in the same thin-description boat.

cheers--
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: jeffy on March 16, 2013, 09:10:16 AM
Oops! Missed that. Thanks.

Me, too, but fortunately I edited mine before that deadline.
I was only able to get three entries in when I had planned on six, so I edited my three to be the ones with the best chance of advancing.
Bottling this weekend.
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: james on March 16, 2013, 01:05:29 PM
Shoot.  I was planning on editing my entries this weekend.  I think off all of my entries I have set only one is a beer I actually have.
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: ryang on March 17, 2013, 01:49:47 PM
I must be blind...
I registered a beer and a mead, all paid up, no edits required... but I just want to print the labels so I can ship my entries.  Every link from the rules/regs goes to http://www.brewingcompetition.com/
No link to login on that page, and the few generic guesses I tried didn't work, ie. http://www.brewingcompetition.com/login

Anybody have a better link?
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: james on March 17, 2013, 02:10:12 PM
I must be blind...
I registered a beer and a mead, all paid up, no edits required... but I just want to print the labels so I can ship my entries.  Every link from the rules/regs goes to http://www.brewingcompetition.com/
No link to login on that page, and the few generic guesses I tried didn't work, ie. http://www.brewingcompetition.com/login

Anybody have a better link?

Goto http://www.brewingcompetition.com/regionX  where X is your region number.  For seattle it is  http://www.brewingcompetition.com/region1


Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: ryang on March 17, 2013, 03:42:00 PM
I told you I was blind.     8)

Thanks.
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: theDarkSide on March 21, 2013, 04:01:51 AM
My entries are on their way.   Only bottle labels were required, right?  The rules and info on the region 11 site said to include your entry form and payment in box along with your entries along with bottle labels attached to your bottles (I know, rubber bands only...no tape :) ).  I didn't see an entry form and the entries were prepaid as required by the AHA, so I assumed this was just the standard template for this competition software.

Good luck to all that are entering!

Are the results posted yet?  ;)
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: redbeerman on March 21, 2013, 04:44:36 AM
I just sent bottles with rubber banded labels as well.  I don't remember ever sending anything else in the package before.  Mine are "out for delivery" as I write this.
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: saintpierre on March 21, 2013, 05:51:31 AM
My entries are on their way.   Only bottle labels were required, right?  The rules and info on the region 11 site said to include your entry form and payment in box along with your entries along with bottle labels attached to your bottles (I know, rubber bands only...no tape :) ).  I didn't see an entry form and the entries were prepaid as required by the AHA, so I assumed this was just the standard template for this competition software.

Good luck to all that are entering!

Are the results posted yet?  ;)
I did the same. Entries should arrive today... gulp...
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: narvin on March 21, 2013, 06:59:39 AM
My entries are on their way.   Only bottle labels were required, right?  The rules and info on the region 11 site said to include your entry form and payment in box along with your entries along with bottle labels attached to your bottles (I know, rubber bands only...no tape :) ).  I didn't see an entry form and the entries were prepaid as required by the AHA, so I assumed this was just the standard template for this competition software.

Good luck to all that are entering!

Are the results posted yet?  ;)

There used to be a form you sent which showed proof of payment, and before that, you probably could pay with check.  Probably just old instructions.
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: breslinp on March 21, 2013, 05:21:34 PM
Hmmmm....

So i can't edit my entry description now for 16E? I didn't write anything initially because I was trying to rush to enter and figured I could add that info later. Oh well. The feedback will have to be my prize.  :)
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: Janis on March 21, 2013, 05:30:02 PM
Hmmmm....

So i can't edit my entry description now for 16E? I didn't write anything initially because I was trying to rush to enter and figured I could add that info later. Oh well. The feedback will have to be my prize.  :)
Hi,
Send me an e-mail with your competition city and the exact edits you wish to make.
Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: Janis on March 21, 2013, 05:33:17 PM
My entries are on their way.   Only bottle labels were required, right?  The rules and info on the region 11 site said to include your entry form and payment in box along with your entries along with bottle labels attached to your bottles (I know, rubber bands only...no tape :) ).  I didn't see an entry form and the entries were prepaid as required by the AHA, so I assumed this was just the standard template for this competition software.

Good luck to all that are entering!

Are the results posted yet?  ;)

There used to be a form you sent which showed proof of payment, and before that, you probably could pay with check.  Probably just old instructions.
Hi,

For the 1st Round, the bottle labels are your entry form.  Please disregard the instructions about including proof of payment, unless you used a Free Entry Certificate; those MUST be included in the box with the entries.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: redbeerman on March 22, 2013, 05:51:47 AM
Thanks Janis!
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: theDarkSide on March 22, 2013, 06:25:11 AM
Thank you Janis.  Now I don't have to track down the UPS truck and force him to the side of the road  ;D
Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: tesgüino on March 24, 2013, 12:48:24 PM
Hi,

For the 1st Round, the bottle labels are your entry form.  Please disregard the instructions about including proof of payment, unless you used a Free Entry Certificate; those MUST be included in the box with the entries.

Cheers,
Janis

I had given some thought to doing some creative editing on the actual label to get in an updated description for a cat 23 beer after the closing date for editing. Figured it would be cheating so didn't do it, but if the labels are your entry form I'm sure there's someone out there who's going that route.

On the other hand, there is a bar code on the label. Will they be scanning to get information or manually copying it from what's written on the label?

Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: james on March 24, 2013, 01:09:33 PM
I had given some thought to doing some creative editing on the actual label to get in an updated description for a cat 23 beer after the closing date for editing. Figured it would be cheating so didn't do it, but if the labels are your entry form I'm sure there's someone out there who's going that route.

On the other hand, there is a bar code on the label. Will they be scanning to get information or manually copying it from what's written on the label?

The labels and all that info is just to identify the bottle with the proper entry number, the important data is all in the database and that is usually used to generate the pull sheets that the judges see and have the required specialty info on them.

Title: Re: NHC Competition question...
Post by: Janis on March 24, 2013, 02:30:04 PM
Hi,

For the 1st Round, the bottle labels are your entry form.  Please disregard the instructions about including proof of payment, unless you used a Free Entry Certificate; those MUST be included in the box with the entries.

Cheers,
Janis

I had given some thought to doing some creative editing on the actual label to get in an updated description for a cat 23 beer after the closing date for editing. Figured it would be cheating so didn't do it, but if the labels are your entry form I'm sure there's someone out there who's going that route.

On the other hand, there is a bar code on the label. Will they be scanning to get information or manually copying it from what's written on the label?
Hi James,

If you need to edit your entry in the database, please send me an e-mail with the name of the city where your entry will be judged and the exact edits you need to make.  janis@brewersassociation.org

Cheers,
Janis