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Title: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: akr71 on February 26, 2010, 05:32:12 PM
I'm hoping the name of this kit is meant as a joke...

http://www.northernbrewer.com/brewing/imperial-mild-all-grain-kit.html

or maybe somebody from NB was reading the 'Black IPA' thread a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: Hokerer on February 26, 2010, 05:40:56 PM
I'm hoping the name of this kit is meant as a joke...

http://www.northernbrewer.com/brewing/imperial-mild-all-grain-kit.html

or maybe somebody from NB was reading the 'Black IPA' thread a few weeks ago.

Whaddya mean a joke?  Anything with "imperial" in front of just has to be better, right?  And if you want even better than that, call it "double imperial".

Seriously, though, kinda brings up one of my pet peeves.  Why is it that so many people have to mention the ABV and IBU of what they're drinking (can understand it for something you've made).  I think if you feel the need to talk about those all the time, maybe you're not drinking for the right reasons.  Sorta like the guy who goes in and order the super-thermonuclear-extra-double-hot wings not because he actually likes them but because he thinks it makes him look like a real tough-guy.
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: dbeechum on February 26, 2010, 05:47:29 PM
In a lot of ways it sounds like a throwback mild to me, like the Sarah Hughes Dark Ruby Mild from England that comes in at 6%
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: beersk on February 26, 2010, 06:17:09 PM
In a lot of ways it sounds like a throwback mild to me, like the Sarah Hughes Dark Ruby Mild from England that comes in at 6%

Yes, then why be super lame and call it an "Imperial Mild"?  Just call it a traditional mild...seriously, I remember a thread about this very topic over at NB...such a ridiculous name for a beer.  Black IPA is another one that really gets to me too...
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: mikeypedersen on February 26, 2010, 06:37:24 PM
Yep, I think it's pretty lame too.  How about a blonde imperial stout?  ;D
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: denny on February 26, 2010, 06:52:08 PM
Years ago, in the days of rec.crafts.brewing on Usenet, there was discussion of a pale stout....you can imagine how that went over!
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: babalu87 on February 26, 2010, 06:56:10 PM
Years ago, in the days of rec.crafts.brewing on Usenet, there was discussion of a pale stout....you can imagine how that went over!

Couldnt you just add more flaked barley, add some oats and leave out the roasted barley?

Did anyone actually try it?
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: akr71 on February 26, 2010, 07:00:59 PM
In a lot of ways it sounds like a throwback mild to me, like the Sarah Hughes Dark Ruby Mild from England that comes in at 6%

Yes, then why be super lame and call it an "Imperial Mild"?  Just call it a traditional mild...seriously, I remember a thread about this very topic over at NB...such a ridiculous name for a beer.  Black IPA is another one that really gets to me too...
Yep, I think it's pretty lame too.  How about a blonde imperial stout?  ;D

Thanks - that was my point Beersk!  If you are going to Imperialize a Mild, its not a mild anymore is it?  Not that I'm a stickler for style guidelines, but try to pick a name that fits...
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: deepsouth on February 26, 2010, 07:01:16 PM
at the end of the day, it's still just beer so i wouldn't get too worked up over what name it's given.  

truth is, a lot of the newer generation of brewers and homebrewers are used to the term "imperial" and it adds meaning to the description.

i started one of the "black ipa" threads though, so i, obviously, don't have any hang ups about what i call a beer.
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: deepsouth on February 26, 2010, 07:02:03 PM
In a lot of ways it sounds like a throwback mild to me, like the Sarah Hughes Dark Ruby Mild from England that comes in at 6%

that sounds like a good example of an "imperial mild".
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: akr71 on February 26, 2010, 07:02:39 PM
Years ago, in the days of rec.crafts.brewing on Usenet, there was discussion of a pale stout....you can imagine how that went over!

Couldnt you just add more flaked barley, add some oats and leave out the roasted barley?

Did anyone actually try it?
I would drink it!  I don't know about the name, but its sounds like a tasty brew...
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: denny on February 26, 2010, 07:04:52 PM
Years ago, in the days of rec.crafts.brewing on Usenet, there was discussion of a pale stout....you can imagine how that went over!

Couldnt you just add more flaked barley, add some oats and leave out the roasted barley?

Did anyone actually try it?

IMO, a stout is defined by the roasty flavor from the roast barley.  If you don't have that, how will you make taste like a stout?  Otherwise, you're just arbitrarily redefining they style, kind of like looking at a pig and claiming it's a poodle!  And I don't recall if anyone actually tried it and claimed it was a stout.
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: babalu87 on February 26, 2010, 07:49:18 PM
Years ago, in the days of rec.crafts.brewing on Usenet, there was discussion of a pale stout....you can imagine how that went over!

Couldnt you just add more flaked barley, add some oats and leave out the roasted barley?

Did anyone actually try it?

IMO, a stout is defined by the roasty flavor from the roast barley.  If you don't have that, how will you make taste like a stout?  Otherwise, you're just arbitrarily redefining they style, kind of like looking at a pig and claiming it's a poodle!  And I don't recall if anyone actually tried it and claimed it was a stout.

I agree 100%  but I'm thinking of trying something like what I posted.
Worst that could happen is I have to grind and steep some roasted barley  ;D
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: denny on February 26, 2010, 07:50:42 PM
I've made more than a few pale ales with flaked barley and oats, but I certainly wouldn't call them stouts! 
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: tankdeer on February 26, 2010, 07:56:43 PM
I made an Imperial Mild once... I called it a Brown Ale.  :D
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: deepsouth on February 26, 2010, 08:10:51 PM
I made an Imperial Mild once... I called it a Brown Ale.  :D

LOL.  goood one.
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: mikeypedersen on February 26, 2010, 08:22:25 PM
Damn it Tankdeer.  Everytime I see one of your posts I get the Peanut butter jelly time song stuck in my head.....With a baseball bat.    :D
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: tankdeer on February 26, 2010, 08:37:58 PM
Damn it Tankdeer.  Everytime I see one of your posts I get the Peanut butter jelly time song stuck in my head.....With a baseball bat.    :D
It's all part of my evil plan for world domination..... bwaahahaha
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: beersk on February 27, 2010, 06:19:58 AM
Damn it Tankdeer.  Everytime I see one of your posts I get the Peanut butter jelly time song stuck in my head.....With a baseball bat.    :D
It's all part of my evil plan for world domination..... bwaahahaha

lol  Man, when Brian did that on Family Guy...wow. 

I think people need to get over this fascination of having imperial versions of common beers...Imperial india brown pale stout!  It's like in music...people just HAVE to come up with all sorts of stupid sub-genres for a genre of music.  Suicidal dark forest picnic depressive black metal!  Whoo! 
Gimme of a break! 
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: bspisak on February 27, 2010, 05:26:01 PM
I sampled an Imperial Mild at a brew-in once and was told be the brewer it was a mistake - came out much higher gravity than he was shooting for. It was still good even though I do think it's an oxymoron.

Brian
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: euge on February 27, 2010, 06:28:00 PM
I have a feeling lot's of mis-made brew's end up with the moniker "imperial" ::)
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: bspisak on February 27, 2010, 07:23:26 PM
To be fair, he said it with a grin on his face.
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: stout_fan on March 02, 2010, 01:05:25 PM
... you're just arbitrarily redefining they style, kind of like looking at a pig and claiming it's a poodle!  ...

Politicians do greater things than this every day.
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: howie on March 12, 2010, 04:22:22 PM
Given the NB description of the recipe, I'm pretty sure the name is kind of a joke.

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This overfed reddish-brown session beer crams twice as much mildness into every pint

Pretty sure by that line the name is meant to be humorous.
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: mashweasel on March 17, 2010, 03:32:43 AM
The only thing Mild traditionally meant was that it wasn't aged. 'young' = 'mild'. Had nothing to do with strength, roast, hops or anything else. Mild's were commonly +6%. Sarah Hughes is actually an outlier b/c of the massive amount of crystal malt (25%) that goes in and the lack of any brewing sugars. Historical milds never had any where near that much crystal...if any at all.

As for stout, roasted barley wasn't used widespread until the 20th century and then not really until WWII. The only thing that stout meant was that the beer was a porter that was STOUTER at that individual brewery. Meaning Truman's stout might not be stronger than Barclay Perkins porter. Its relative. People seem to fumble over roasted barley still. There are many many stouts made today that have no roasted barley and are thoroughly stout's.
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: euge on March 17, 2010, 05:30:32 AM
So it sounds to me that Imperial Stout is sorta a misnomer then. 8)
Title: Re: Imperial Mild? Really...
Post by: mashweasel on March 17, 2010, 02:47:51 PM
Imperial only meant that it was brewed for the Imperial Czarist court. Nothing to do with strength per say originally. Many breweries then adopted the name for their strongest beer...the vast majority of the time it was an RIS like thing.