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Title: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: imperialstout on February 07, 2013, 12:52:05 AM
Looking for a good AG recipe book. Have "How To Brew" and "Designing Great Beers", consider them "Go To" books to learn about brewing beers. Read "Joy Of Brewing" and "Brewing Classic Styles" and was not impressed. Now looking for a good book on AG brewing recipes. Considering "Best Of Brew Your Own 250 Classic Clone Recipes" and "Clone Beers". There is another series of "Classic Brews", each volume dedicated to one style. Any thoughts?
Title: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: bwparilla on February 07, 2013, 12:58:46 AM
CloneBrews: Homebrew Recipes for 150 Commercial Beers (Paperback)
Also their 2nd edition
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: erockrph on February 07, 2013, 01:23:22 AM
Brewing Classic Styles is the only "recipe" book I have, and is likely the only one I'll ever need. I refer to it every time I'm brewing a style that I am not very familiar with.

I don't own "Clone Brews", but I have flipped through it. Some of the recipes in there for beers I'm pretty familiar with just don't look right to me. YMMV, but I think BCS is a lot more useful.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: a10t2 on February 07, 2013, 01:24:39 AM
http://www.beertools.com/library/search.php?style=none&category=All+Grain

What's a book? ;)
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: jeffy on February 07, 2013, 01:31:07 AM
Brewing Classic Styles is the only "recipe" book I have, and is likely the only one I'll ever need. I refer to it every time I'm brewing a style that I am not very familiar with.

I use this book also.  It has a lot of good, personal tips for each style.
Title: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: denny on February 07, 2013, 02:07:23 AM
CloneBrews: Homebrew Recipes for 150 Commercial Beers (Paperback)
Also their 2nd edition

IMO, this is one of the worst recipe books I've seen.  Others may disagree.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 07, 2013, 02:17:02 AM
CloneBrews: Homebrew Recipes for 150 Commercial Beers (Paperback)
Also their 2nd edition

IMO, this is one of the worst recipe books I've seen.  Others may disagree.
When you look at that in detail, I must agree. The yeast selections are all wrong.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: thebigbaker on February 07, 2013, 02:22:06 AM
Not a book, but Beersmith has a bunch of recipes. 
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: tschmidlin on February 07, 2013, 03:40:00 AM
I think BCS is a great starting point, and I like Radical Brewing for weird ingredients too.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: mpietropaoli on February 07, 2013, 04:03:10 AM
BCS is THE recipe book.  I know Jamil gets a lot of head-inflating props, but every one of his recipes has won comps.  He is the type of brewer that will brew the same style 10+ times until he gets it right.  Every style I have made out of BCS has turned out great. 


I've also heard "Clone Brews" is terrible.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: hoser on February 07, 2013, 04:33:57 AM
Also, Designing Great Beers by Ray Daniels is another excellent resource.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: brewmasternpb on February 07, 2013, 05:26:02 AM
I don't own a recipe-only book, but designing great Beers, Radical Brewing, and listening to the Brewing Network have really given me the basics behind recipe formulation... But if you need more, look at the archived Zymurgy issues on this site... more than enough recipes there.  Drew Beachum's articles are some of my favorites for recipes.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: euge on February 07, 2013, 07:07:14 AM
WTF is a recipe?
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: Jimmy K on February 07, 2013, 01:48:42 PM
http://www.beertools.com/library/search.php?style=none&category=All+Grain

What's a book? ;)
Man, I gave up beertools recipe's a long time ago. I felt like you could look up a style and get just about anything. Just because somebody called their 50 srm, CTZ hopped beer a kolsh doesn't make it so.  :o
 
OK, I'm being a little rediculous there. But if I have no clue how to get started with a style, I want something that's been reviewed a little.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: blatz on February 07, 2013, 02:01:20 PM
i agree - Brewing Classic Styles is the only recipe book I own.  I've made a few recipes from it, but mainly I use it as a reference.  Every other recipe book I've seen is suspect, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: reverseapachemaster on February 07, 2013, 02:14:32 PM
BCS and Joy of Homebrewing will both give you dependable, straightforward recipes. Joy of Homebrewing recipes might be a little dated but they are decent starting points to begin developing your own recipe. Recipe books are always going to be somewhat ineffective because they become dated after a few years as new ingredients and techniques arise and people demand new/different flavors in beers.

I also agree with the sentiments above that the internet is a real hit or miss way to find recipes. There are a few blogs I trust to rely on to develop recipes and some recipes online are great but the vast majority of recipes are of questionable value, especially when they don't have good notes about how the recipes turned out or what the flavor profile is.

The NHC winning recipes and most of the other recipes published in Zymurgy tend to be good recipes to work off of as well.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: dbarber on February 07, 2013, 03:03:27 PM
I often use recipes out of BCS as a starting point.  DGB has a lot of great information, but is a bit dated. For belgians, sours or wheat beers I like the Farmhouse Ales, Brew Like a Monk, Wild Brews and Brewing ith Wheat.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 07, 2013, 03:29:32 PM
+1 to BCS.  I love it as an accurate reference of recipes within a style, unlike other recipe books where style lines are blurry, at best. It's a very good starting point, although I must like dry hopping pale ales and IPA's a little more than he does.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: jimrod on February 07, 2013, 03:38:43 PM
CloneBrews: Homebrew Recipes for 150 Commercial Beers (Paperback)
Also their 2nd edition

The worst book I've ever purchased. Worthless. I know some of the recipes are not right and I've never heard of most of the beers. 
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: a10t2 on February 07, 2013, 04:07:04 PM
OK, I'm being a little rediculous there. But if I have no clue how to get started with a style, I want something that's been reviewed a little.

That's why I like BeerTools. You can sort by reviews, favorites, comments, etc.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: Delo on February 07, 2013, 04:47:52 PM
Are you looking for a book on how to formulate recipes or a book of recipes?

I don’t normally follow recipes completely but a few of my last batches have been straight from Brewing Classic Styles and they were great.  From all the books that I have, BCS is probably the only one I would consider a recipe book and would probably be the only one I would ever buy.   The recipes are reliable which can’t be said about a lot of other sources. This isnt meant to be a sound like a jerk question but what did you not like about the book?   
I have not heard good things about CloneBrews, as others have posted.
“Brew your own” magazine can have some good recipes, but I don’t know anything about the book.  I do know some of the recipes in the magazine have errors in them.

For formulating recipes, the books I use most are Designing Great Beers, Brewing Classic Styles, and Radical Brewing.  If Daniels updates Designing Great Beers I would buy it instantly. Love that book.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: AmandaK on February 07, 2013, 05:03:50 PM
Looking for a good AG recipe book. Have "How To Brew" and "Designing Great Beers", consider them "Go To" books to learn about brewing beers. Read "Joy Of Brewing" and "Brewing Classic Styles" and was not impressed. Now looking for a good book on AG brewing recipes. Considering "Best Of Brew Your Own 250 Classic Clone Recipes" and "Clone Beers". There is another series of "Classic Brews", each volume dedicated to one style. Any thoughts?

If you don't like Brewing Classic Styles, the AHA has back issues of Zymurgy that have the Gold Medal winning recipes from NHC every year. I think they're in the Sept/Oct issues?
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 07, 2013, 05:15:59 PM
Gold Medal recipes are also on the AHA recipe wiki.
Title: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: denny on February 07, 2013, 05:23:44 PM
WTF is a recipe?

Read my article in the May/June 2012 issue if Zymurgy and you'll know!  ;)
Title: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: denny on February 07, 2013, 05:23:59 PM
Gold Medal recipes are also on the AHA recipe wiki.

+1.060
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: davidgzach on February 08, 2013, 01:44:46 PM
OK, I'm being a little rediculous there. But if I have no clue how to get started with a style, I want something that's been reviewed a little.

That's why I like BeerTools. You can sort by reviews, favorites, comments, etc.

+1 to BeerTools.  You can also go online and use their recipe generator which includes style guidelines.  And there are almost 12,000 recipes posted, some with reviews.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: pinnah on February 08, 2013, 03:06:46 PM
OK, I'm being a little rediculous there. But if I have no clue how to get started with a style, I want something that's been reviewed a little.

That's why I like BeerTools. You can sort by reviews, favorites, comments, etc.

+1 to BeerTools.  You can also go online and use their recipe generator which includes style guidelines.  And there are almost 12,000 recipes posted, some with reviews.

How do you sort by comment and reviews? 

I see a lot of "I haven't brewed this yet, but it is going to be good"  ::)

Having a lot of recipes to peruse is cool, but it seems like you have to know something about ingredient contribution and style to sift through all the garbage.

Maybe I am just lame at sorting.  School me. 
I would be more inclined to just search for all the a10t2 contributions... ;)

Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: hubie on February 08, 2013, 03:53:11 PM
I see a lot of "I haven't brewed this yet, but it is going to be good"  ::)

Years ago that was my biggest frustration with the internet recipe sites like Gambrinus Mug http://brewery.org/gambmug (http://brewery.org/gambmug) and Cat's Meow http://brewery.org/brewery/cm3/CatsMeow3.html (http://brewery.org/brewery/cm3/CatsMeow3.html).  The other thing I would run into a lot was  "I'm going to brew this next and I'll report back how it came out" and there never was any follow-up.  Now that I"ve got a lot more brews under my belt since then I can better look at those kind of recipes and guess how they'd come out, but back then when I'm just looking for a decent recipe for a certain type of style, I couldn't afford to waste my time and money gambling on some random person's guess.  That is why I love BCS.  There are still styles I haven't made but want to, and I know I can get a good first beer by using one of those recipes.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 08, 2013, 04:04:53 PM
I see a lot of "I haven't brewed this yet, but it is going to be good"

Yeah that is the internet for you.

Fred's site at least has beers that have won awards.
http://beerdujour.com/
 
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: ynotbrusum on February 08, 2013, 06:54:42 PM
Ken Lenard has good recipes for straightforward beers that are the styles I brew most often.

Google Mayfair Court Brewing and it will come up.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: imperialstout on February 09, 2013, 11:25:40 PM
I borrowed 80 Classic Brews and discovered most, if not all recipes are written for extract. Some negative reviews said the same things, the AG conversion recipe was not accurate and neither were the hops and yeast selection for the style. I don't know. It makes me wonder if several people say the same thing. On the other hand the overall rating is positive and two guys from a brew club I just joined  recommended it so bought it. Also bought the Scotch Ale, Barley Wine and IPA books from the Classic Beer Style series. Didn't buy the Stout book as it got bad reviews, too technical and chemistry formula driven. I have read "How To Brew" by Palmer and "Designing Great Beers" by Daniels so figure with all these resources, and this web site, a bad beer can only be attributed to operator error.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 10, 2013, 12:40:05 AM
I borrowed 80 Classic Brews and discovered most, if not all recipes are written for extract. Some negative reviews said the same things, the AG conversion recipe was not accurate and neither were the hops and yeast selection for the style. I don't know. It makes me wonder if several people say the same thing. On the other hand the overall rating is positive and two guys from a brew club I just joined  recommended it so bought it. Also bought the Scotch Ale, Barley Wine and IPA books from the Classic Beer Style series. Didn't buy the Stout book as it got bad reviews, too technical and chemistry formula driven. I have read "How To Brew" by Palmer and "Designing Great Beers" by Daniels so figure with all these resources, and this web site, a bad beer can only be attributed to operator error.
I liked the Stout book. What do you expect from a prof at UC Davis?
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: bboy9000 on February 10, 2013, 01:43:02 AM
Scotch Ale was the first style book I bought and I loved it immediately.  I really enjoyed learning a little bit of history of Scottish brewing.  I also have Brewing Classic Styles and have used the all-grain recipes.  I have always hit the expected preboil gravitates nearly dead-on.  The all-grain conversions JZ lists hit the exact OG when entered into the brewing software I use. 
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: bazowie on February 10, 2013, 07:33:39 PM
There are more recipes on line than you can shake a stick (or stir Paddle at), look, take, tweek and make your own, then refine it this works for me. Also most of the books are good if you dont take them to heart and do the same read, tweek and make your own.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: hubie on February 11, 2013, 06:25:34 PM
I borrowed 80 Classic Brews and discovered most, if not all recipes are written for extract.

If you're talking about Brewing Classic Styles, the evolution of the book is that Palmer wanted to write a book for extract brewers and Zainasheff said he could give him a bunch of recipes, which is why the book is split into the (Zainasheff) recipe part and the (Palmer) technical part.  The recipes are all-grain recipes converted to extract versions and every recipe is given with the all-grain part at the end.  It really is an all-grain book because the all-grain recipes are given.  You have to make sure you take the reviews with a grain of salt.  Because of the way recipes convert between the two, I remember an Amazon reviewer was complaining that the recipes called for odd amounts of extract, such as needing 2.7 pounds of LME and he was complaining that he could only get LME in set amounts like cans of 3.3 pounds.  The reviewer was complaining that it is unreasonable for him to measure out less than 3.3 pounds (which is funny because when I make bread, I don't ding my recipe book because my recipe isn't broken down into using only 5 lb sacks of flour).  I'd have to see what some of the negative complaints you saw, but if we're talking about the same book then I would say the bad review missed the mark entirely.
Title: Re: Looking for a good AG recipe book
Post by: BrewQwest on February 18, 2013, 01:55:50 AM
I borrowed 80 Classic Brews and discovered most, if not all recipes are written for extract.

If you're talking about Brewing Classic Styles, the evolution of the book is that Palmer wanted to write a book for extract brewers and Zainasheff said he could give him a bunch of recipes, which is why the book is split into the (Zainasheff) recipe part and the (Palmer) technical part.  The recipes are all-grain recipes converted to extract versions and every recipe is given with the all-grain part at the end.  It really is an all-grain book because the all-grain recipes are given.  You have to make sure you take the reviews with a grain of salt.  Because of the way recipes convert between the two, I remember an Amazon reviewer was complaining that the recipes called for odd amounts of extract, such as needing 2.7 pounds of LME and he was complaining that he could only get LME in set amounts like cans of 3.3 pounds.  The reviewer was complaining that it is unreasonable for him to measure out less than 3.3 pounds (which is funny because when I make bread, I don't ding my recipe book because my recipe isn't broken down into using only 5 lb sacks of flour).  I'd have to see what some of the negative complaints you saw, but if we're talking about the same book then I would say the bad review missed the mark entirely.

Yup!!! BCS rocks!!! the very first recipe I made from this book tasted so good I entered it into competition and took a silver medal...what more can you ask for from a recipe book?? cheers!!