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Title: kegs
Post by: tschmidlin on February 25, 2013, 06:38:12 AM
Has anyone used these kegs at all, or know anything about them?  Good price, not too far from here.
http://www.gopherkegs.com/c.aspx?n=Pricing

If you have other recommendations for keg suppliers let me know - we're looking for 1/4 bbl kegs for use with beer and soda, 20-30 of them.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: micsager on February 25, 2013, 05:07:37 PM
Tom -

Here's a place that is a bit closer to you (Sumner)

www.ambrach.com

here is the sales pitch I got from them last week:

Hi- Just a heads up we are now stocking blank 1/6BBL’s and 1/2BBL’s in Sumner, WA and Portland, OR. The 1/6BBL is $86.00 each and the 1/2BBL is $116.00 each. These are available for pick up or delivery at and additional cost. We try to keep around 500 of each on hand at all times. They come with a five year warranty on the body and a one year on the valve which is a drop in. These are stainless steel kegs. The kegs usually ship in one to two days. Let me know if you have any questions.

I know nothing about them.


Title: Re: kegs
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on February 25, 2013, 06:05:05 PM
You might want to consider looking into keg leasing, which is way cheaper than shelling out the dough for new kegs.  We are going to go through Keg Logistics for our 1/2bbl and 1/6bbl kegs.  They have pretty good monthly rates and at the end of the lease term, we have the option of buying the kegs at a discounted price.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: a10t2 on February 25, 2013, 06:18:45 PM
I don't have any personal experience, but they advertise on ProBrewer and the folks who have posted there seem happy. I like that they'll emboss even in small quantities, and that they post the pricing right up front. When suppliers don't make their prices public I wonder what they're hiding.

I'm planning on using Gopher for at least our initial order.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on February 25, 2013, 09:27:40 PM
One thing to consider is that if you ship your kegs to the draught accounts you will loose some of them.
Keep a good track of them.

I have plastic kegs. They were fine to start with but I am not planning on buying more of them.
I do not know exactly how many kegs I lost.
I would say in 2 years about 20 or so. I have no idea where they are.
I am self distributing.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: tschmidlin on February 26, 2013, 12:25:56 AM
We won't really be distributing outside of our own stores, so I'm not too worried about keg loss.  Although with some of these jokers you never know.

Thanks for the link Mic, I sent them a message about their 30L kegs.  We can fit them and then it's fewer I have to clean/fill each time.  The 1/2s are just too big to have a cold backup keg at each location, plus they are heavy as $#!+ and I have to cart them up and down stairs.  Nine stairs to be exact.  Each way. ;D

Re: leasing, I have no idea what that would cost, but we're way too small for microstar.  I haven't heard of Keg Logistics, do you have a link?  My googlefu is failing me.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on February 26, 2013, 02:51:03 AM
Every so often I get a flyer for leasing kegs. It is somewhere around $5 a keg a month. 1/6 BBL were cheaper. You are still responsible for any lost kegs thou.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: tschmidlin on February 26, 2013, 06:36:41 AM
$5 per keg per month?  I think we could swing that. :)
Title: kegs
Post by: majorvices on February 26, 2013, 12:19:42 PM
we lease SS kegs. I can assure you, it's a racket. If at all possible own then. The amount we needed we could have bought a new 30bbl brew house had we had the cash up front. But it is going to bite us in the ass over the long term. We pay more on the keg lease than we do to lease the facility.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on February 26, 2013, 01:28:52 PM
Re: leasing, I have no idea what that would cost, but we're way too small for microstar.  I haven't heard of Keg Logistics, do you have a link?  My googlefu is failing me.

Ahem...http://www.keglogistics.com/

 :P
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on February 26, 2013, 05:01:37 PM
A local brewery rep recently told me they no longer fill 1/4 bbl kegs.

For most of their draft accounts (and they are a pretty big Indiana brewery), they either do not fit in the kegging system or the customer doesn't want a 1/4 bbl in place of a 1/6 bbl or a 1/2 bbl.

Now that I think about it, I don't see the 1/4 bbl very often anymore.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 26, 2013, 05:28:01 PM
A local brewery rep recently told me they no longer fill 1/4 bbl kegs.

For most of their draft accounts (and they are a pretty big Indiana brewery), they either do not fit in the kegging system or the customer doesn't want a 1/4 bbl in place of a 1/6 bbl or a 1/2 bbl.

Now that I think about it, I don't see the 1/4 bbl very often anymore.

There are now slim 1/4s that have the same height as a 1/2 or a 1/6.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: tschmidlin on February 26, 2013, 05:35:54 PM
Re: leasing, I have no idea what that would cost, but we're way too small for microstar.  I haven't heard of Keg Logistics, do you have a link?  My googlefu is failing me.

Ahem...http://www.keglogistics.com/

 :P
Thanks - I must have mistyped it, because it pops right up now.

It looks like they only have 1/6 bbl, 1/2 bbl, and 50 L kegs.  I need 1/4 bbl kegs (the slim/tall ones).

I see the tall 1/4s around here a lot, but yes, many people just do 1/6s or 1/2s.  Since we are our own customer though, I know our customer prefers 1/4s. ;D
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: majorvices on February 26, 2013, 06:14:14 PM
A local brewery rep recently told me they no longer fill 1/4 bbl kegs.

For most of their draft accounts (and they are a pretty big Indiana brewery), they either do not fit in the kegging system or the customer doesn't want a 1/4 bbl in place of a 1/6 bbl or a 1/2 bbl.

Now that I think about it, I don't see the 1/4 bbl very often anymore.

Exact opposite of what we have been told, that people are moving away from 1/6 to 1/4. We have gone almost exclusively with 1/4 and 1/2 and only use the 1/6 for very small specialty beers that we charge premium for.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on February 26, 2013, 09:32:10 PM
Exact opposite of what we have been told, that people are moving away from 1/6 to 1/4. We have gone almost exclusively with 1/4 and 1/2 and only use the 1/6 for very small specialty beers that we charge premium for.

Yeah - these guys do a good amount of volume, so they most likely use 1/2 bbl almost exclusively. They have a small (but amazing) sour line that they probably do some 1/6, as well as a few high-gravity seasonals (IIPA, RIS, etc.).

I think tap houses that want the specialty beers will build their kegging systems with 1/6 bbls in mind. Older bars/restaurants probably have kegorators built before 1/6 bbls were a thing. Market-dependent, maybe?
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: majorvices on February 26, 2013, 09:48:15 PM
I have just heard from a few different sources that 1/6 are losing popularity in favor of 1/4s. Can't remember exactly who, now. But I will tell you we save a lot of time cleaning 1/4s and (especially) 1/4 over sixtels.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: a10t2 on February 26, 2013, 10:08:04 PM
I have just heard from a few different sources that 1/6 are losing popularity in favor of 1/4s.

I have to think that the price of corny kegs is a factor. When they were basically free, everyone was making and selling "pub kegs".
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: nateo on February 26, 2013, 10:22:41 PM
Are kegs capitalized and depreciated, or are they expensed?
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: majorvices on February 26, 2013, 10:24:46 PM
Depends if you lease or buy
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: tschmidlin on February 27, 2013, 04:18:12 AM
I checked with Mic's source, they have a warehouse in Sumner, maybe 45 minutes from my house.  I can pick them up there for $87 apiece, but unfortunately they have no 1/4 bbl kegs now, just 1/6 and 1/2.  But considering I need 3 @ 1/6 bbl for every 2 @ 1/4 bbl, it's sort of like paying $130 for 1/4 bbl kegs, or $520 for 1 bbl of kegs with more labor needed.  So I'm going to keep looking for the 1/4s.

I contacted gopher but they haven't responded. :(
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on February 27, 2013, 12:47:24 PM
When suppliers don't make their prices public I wonder what they're hiding.

+1

When I'm searching for new equipment vendors, the ones that post their prices (or at least have a catalog or local pricing lists) are almost always easier to work with, more reliable, and more transparent.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but going with the trend has always benefited me so far.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: boulderbrewer on February 28, 2013, 04:01:50 AM
I lease from keg logistics, you get brand new Franke kegs. I went with slim 1/4's and 1/2's about $100 a month per 30 kegs. * year end of term cost is about 3 times buying out right. The thing that sold me is it is not exclusive, I can own my own kegs, If I find a good deal on something I trust.

I got a bunch of chinese kegs from a local refurbisher sitting in my hallway that won't hold pressure. Maybe I can sell them as boil kettles with no ba juju.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on March 19, 2013, 09:24:39 PM
I just got a mailer for keg rental:

Keg Credit out of Nashville TN
support@kegcredit.com
1/2 and 1/4 BBL are 13 cents a day and 1/6 BBL is 10 cents a day.

I do not know if they are rent to own or just rent.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: tschmidlin on March 19, 2013, 09:42:47 PM
Nice, thanks Leos.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: majorvices on March 20, 2013, 11:17:45 AM
I just got a mailer for keg rental:

Keg Credit out of Nashville TN
support@kegcredit.com
1/2 and 1/4 BBL are 13 cents a day and 1/6 BBL is 10 cents a day.

I do not know if they are rent to own or just rent.

This is who we use. Its not rent to own.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: Alewyfe on March 20, 2013, 03:38:43 PM
A couple of our club members who have started Nanos and a guy in Ashland I know are going through Gopher.
I was with one of the guys last night and he told me he picked up a pallet this week on sale for I believe $94 ea. (1/2 bbl) They have been very happy with both the kegs and pricing thus far.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on March 21, 2013, 12:23:21 AM
Another mail today.
Keg logistics.
Www.keglogistics.com
Rent to own.
No pricing.
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: tschmidlin on March 21, 2013, 03:54:48 AM
We're looking at gopher as well as ambrach.com for kegs, I think they might have the same source.  Ambrach has no 1/4s though.  We can get some from gopher right away, if the owner ever decides to spend the money. ::)
Title: Re: kegs
Post by: boulderbrewer on March 24, 2013, 03:08:39 AM
Another mail today.
Keg logistics.
Www.keglogistics.com
Rent to own.
No pricing.

I use them and like them. They are fair and resonable. PM for more info.