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Title: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: travjohn92 on March 03, 2013, 01:13:39 AM
I am thinking of upgrading to more advanced brewing software and want to get some opinions.  I have been using Hopville for the last two years or so and I like it, but I consistently run into calculation errors (possibly me, but doubtful) :D

Anyway, what do you guys use or prefer and why?
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: bazowie on March 03, 2013, 01:50:11 AM
I went from promash to beersmith2 just recently, I like it well enough and there is alot you can do with it once you get use to it. Promash hasnt been update since 2003 and from what i hear never will so eventually it will go by the way side, so I switched.
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: bboy9000 on March 03, 2013, 01:59:02 AM
I use Brewer's Friend and have found it extremely accurate in predicting gravities when designing recipes.  I also like the yeast pitching calculator on Brewer's Friend as it can calculate up to three step-ups on a starter.  Its also free to save up to five recipes.  I've never used BeerSmith but a friend that uses it says there's a lot of calculations you can do with your mash. 
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: Alewyfe on March 03, 2013, 02:04:03 AM
Beersmith for recipe calculations. Bru'n Water for water calcs and Brewersfriend for yeast pitch calcs.
All wonderful tools. What an awesome time to be a homebrewer. So much great information at our fingertips.
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: Duke on March 03, 2013, 07:40:17 AM
I've been using Beersmith 2 for about a year now and I have to say, that I love it.  It has more bells and whistles than I will ever use, but it's fantastic for building recipes and scaling as well.  I'm a huge fan.
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: duboman on March 03, 2013, 04:22:30 PM
I use Beersmith 2 as well and really like it. Great for recipe creation, completely manageable in terms of being able to edit ingredients, add, keep and track inventory, play with mash schedules, create brew day sheets, brew day timers with alarms, print comp sheets, etc.
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on March 06, 2013, 08:46:29 PM
Try BeerSmith for Free.

Never look back.

Now if only someone invented an app to convert my old ProMash recipe files  ;D
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: denny on March 06, 2013, 08:48:35 PM
Try BeerSmith for Free.

Never look back.

Now if only someone invented an app to convert my old ProMash recipe files  ;D

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=8272.msg103221#msg103221
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on March 06, 2013, 09:10:25 PM
Try BeerSmith for Free.

Never look back.

Now if only someone invented an app to convert my old ProMash recipe files  ;D

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=8272.msg103221#msg103221

NICE
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: weithman5 on March 06, 2013, 09:20:05 PM
i use ibrewmaster on my iphone and ipad.  i love it.  i tinkered with many of the other online systems, promash and beer smith, but i like having everything on my phone.  i run into other brewers and it is kind of nice to pull up a picture, recipe, batch etc right away.
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: Kaiser on March 06, 2013, 09:39:06 PM
i run into other brewers and it is kind of nice to pull up a picture, recipe, batch etc right away.

I use Brewer's Friend and it added a label generation option that includes a QR code to the on-line recipe (only for public recipes). Pretty neat for club meetings:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDMD0PsCAAA4EsV.jpg:small)
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: gsandel on March 06, 2013, 10:47:17 PM
I had been using a freeware program called qbrew, with much success for a few years.  It is very basic.

I have recently upgraded to Beersmith2, but am still learning it, so the jury is out.  It is far more complicated, but also does a lot more.  But really, I have no complaints so far except that I haven't figured out how to customize it so it is just giving me the info I actually want (instead of everything I want and a bunch of other crap).

Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: weithman5 on March 06, 2013, 10:58:44 PM
i run into other brewers and it is kind of nice to pull up a picture, recipe, batch etc right away.

I use Brewer's Friend and it added a label generation option that includes a QR code to the on-line recipe (only for public recipes). Pretty neat for club meetings:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDMD0PsCAAA4EsV.jpg:small)

now that is cool
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: Kaiser on March 06, 2013, 11:19:03 PM
An option for having encoded links for recipes is also on the works. That way you don't need to make a recipe public but are still able to share out with others.

There are a lot of neat things that can be done with an online recipe editor.

Kai
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: denny on March 07, 2013, 04:09:14 PM
An option for having encoded links for recipes is also on the works. That way you don't need to make a recipe public but are still able to share out with others.

There are a lot of neat things that can be done with an online recipe editor.

Kai

I realize that I'm likely in the minority, but "online" kills it for me.  I have no internet access in the "brewery", and spotty access a lot of the time.  Ah, the joys of living away from civilization!
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: Kaiser on March 07, 2013, 04:24:23 PM
I realize that I'm likely in the minority, but "online" kills it for me.  I have no internet access in the "brewery", and spotty access a lot of the time.  Ah, the joys of living away from civilization!

I hear you. I'm not a big fan of the cloud either but I do appreciate its aspect of mobility. I moved away from recipe calculators to only paper b/c I didn't want to lug a laptop to my brewing area. Now I'm moving back to these tools b/c I can simply use my phone.

You could install a stronger WIFI our use Ethernet over power line to solve the internet access issue. But keeping all the stuff on the laptop also works.

Kai
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: erockrph on March 07, 2013, 04:32:09 PM
I've played with Hopville and BeerSmith, but I am solely using Brewer's Friend now. I love having access to everything online. I get to tinker with recipes during downtime at work. The developer is quite responsive to issues, and is constantly adding new useful features.

While a lot of features in the Android app are just links out to the website, the webapp works just fine on my phone.
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: denny on March 07, 2013, 05:06:59 PM
I hear you. I'm not a big fan of the cloud either but I do appreciate its aspect of mobility. I moved away from recipe calculators to only paper b/c I didn't want to lug a laptop to my brewing area. Now I'm moving back to these tools b/c I can simply use my phone.

You could install a stronger WIFI our use Ethernet over power line to solve the internet access issue. But keeping all the stuff on the laptop also works.

Kai

I've considered both of those solutions, but I'm too cheap to spring for anything yet.  I don't have a smartphone, so that option is out.   I brew in a detached garage about 50-60 ft. from the house.  I have an old desktop running Promash  there and my solution at this point is to put recipes on a flash drive and just carry it back and forth from the house to the garage.
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: factory on March 07, 2013, 05:14:17 PM
Beersmith for recipe calculations. Bru'n Water for water calcs and Brewersfriend for yeast pitch calcs.
All wonderful tools. What an awesome time to be a homebrewer. So much great information at our fingertips.

+1 except I use the Mr. Malty yeast calculator.
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: Pi on March 07, 2013, 06:35:17 PM
I have been using Promash for years and it does everything i need for recipe formulation. The only thing I dont like about it is running up and down the stairs to my PC on brew day.
I just downloaded the trial version of BeerSmith2 and have to admit there are alot of useful features. Like all new software there is a considerable learning curve and eventually i will make the switch.
Question: does beersmith lite work with beersmith2 or are they 2 seperate animals? I would like to use the full version to create and modify recipes and the lite version on my ipad for the brewery. do the two work together?
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: factory on March 07, 2013, 06:56:48 PM
Question: does beersmith lite work with beersmith2 or are they 2 seperate animals? I would like to use the full version to create and modify recipes and the lite version on my ipad for the brewery. do the two work together?

Yes, the two work together via "the cloud".  You save recipes to the cloud on the full version of Beersmith and then a limited amount of information is available on the lite version for iPod/iPad.  The lite version has a timer and the information that is on the brew sheet in the main version.  The lite version also has all the tools and calculators that you need for brew day.

Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: weithman5 on March 08, 2013, 08:27:37 PM
this is why i like having it on my phone. (ibrewmaster) it is not online. i like to play with recipes when i am supposed to be paying attention in meetings, events....
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: Alewyfe on March 08, 2013, 08:32:06 PM
I hear you. I'm not a big fan of the cloud either but I do appreciate its aspect of mobility. I moved away from recipe calculators to only paper b/c I didn't want to lug a laptop to my brewing area. Now I'm moving back to these tools b/c I can simply use my phone.

You could install a stronger WIFI our use Ethernet over power line to solve the internet access issue. But keeping all the stuff on the laptop also works.

Kai

I've considered both of those solutions, but I'm too cheap to spring for anything yet.  I don't have a smartphone, so that option is out.   I brew in a detached garage about 50-60 ft. from the house.  I have an old desktop running Promash  there and my solution at this point is to put recipes on a flash drive and just carry it back and forth from the house to the garage.

Do you have a generator Denny? Or at least a solar calculator? We outlanders neeeeeed to be ready to brew during the Zombie Apocalypse.
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: denny on March 09, 2013, 04:26:54 PM
Do you have a generator Denny? Or at least a solar calculator? We outlanders neeeeeed to be ready to brew during the Zombie Apocalypse.

Nope, no generator.  I guess in the event of zombies I'll have to put the dogs on a treadmill and hook something up to that.  ;)
Title: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: bluesman on March 10, 2013, 03:55:12 AM
I use Beersmith2 and have no complaints. I absolutely love it. I have no experience with Promash or BF, but Beersmith is very comprehensive with multiple calculators for just about everything you can imagine, when it comes to brewing. Brad Smith is committed to his software and really has it down pat. You won't go wrong with BS2.
Title: Re: promash vs beersmith vs others
Post by: khillje on March 11, 2013, 03:55:17 PM
Totally try Beer Smith 2.  Amazing tool for designing recipes.  I'll create a recipe with my book "Designing Great Beers" and then I'll use the software to tweak.  It'll even keep you within style guidelines if you'd like to be dead on.  I just found out they released Beer Smith for Android too.  That'll be a great help on brew day in addition to the brew schedule sheet you can print out from the program.