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Title: Emphasize pilsner?
Post by: duboman on March 13, 2013, 05:21:18 PM
So I entered a Belgian blonde in a local comp and it scored a 33 which I was pretty pleased with but I'm confused...

Both judges said it was lacking the pilsner quality of the beer

The recipe was 85% pilsner !

Single infusion mash at 151 steady for 60 minutes and a 90 minute boil

Any thoughts as to what this comment means or how I would provide more emphasis? Could it be the water being too hard for the style?
Title: Emphasize pilsner?
Post by: denny on March 13, 2013, 05:29:42 PM
Personally, unless they explained what they meant by a vague comment like that, I'd ignore it.
Title: Emphasize pilsner?
Post by: duboman on March 13, 2013, 06:02:01 PM
Personally, unless they explained what they meant by a vague comment like that, I'd ignore it.

I was curious because both judges stated the same thing which kind of struck me-starting to truly wonder about the actual merit of some of these comps........outside of bling if you place:) several comps and vague, crappy uninformed comments are not a help!
Title: Re: Emphasize pilsner?
Post by: reverseapachemaster on March 13, 2013, 08:27:22 PM
Maybe they meant it was lacking a grainy character usually associated with pilsner? Is there contact info for the judge? If so maybe they can explain what they meant.
Title: Re: Emphasize pilsner?
Post by: hoser on March 13, 2013, 08:33:15 PM
Maybe they meant it was lacking a grainy character usually associated with pilsner? Is there contact info for the judge? If so maybe they can explain what they meant.

This was my thought as well...
Title: Re: Emphasize pilsner?
Post by: brewsumore on March 13, 2013, 09:10:31 PM
or maybe they were expecting some sulphur or diacetyl?   :-\
Title: Emphasize pilsner?
Post by: duboman on March 14, 2013, 05:04:36 AM
or maybe they were expecting some sulphur or diacetyl?   :-\

Too funny!

I'll probably drop him an email and ask, I've got a few questions.....
Title: Re: Emphasize pilsner?
Post by: narvin on March 14, 2013, 06:31:07 AM
They're probably quoting from the style guidelines.  Things like "lightly sweet Pils malt character", "Smooth, light to moderate Pils malt sweetness initially", "Often has an almost lager-like character, which gives it a cleaner profile in comparison to the other styles", "Relatively recent development to further appeal to European Pils drinkers".

Whether your beer is actually lacking an important characteristic of a Belgian Blond or they're just misguided is another question.
Title: Re: Emphasize pilsner?
Post by: snowtiger87 on March 14, 2013, 02:37:13 PM
+1 on narvin.

I just retook the BJCP test and unfortunately "outjudged" the proctors for my test. They gave a Heineken light that was skunked a 42 (I gave it a 32) judged as a German Pilsner and gave a fresh Hoogarden Wit a 35 (I gave it a 45) judged as a Wit.  >:(

The test proctor agreed with me and put it on his exam notes but I will see if this gets me the 90 I am looking to score.
Title: Re: Emphasize pilsner?
Post by: weithman5 on March 14, 2013, 03:02:07 PM
at least they both agreed ;D
i take a lot of comments with a big lump of salt now.  when i was a young naval officer going through engineer quals on my final watch board we did a back emergency drill.  two of the instructors said it was the best back emergency drill they had seen.  the third said i had no control of the throttleman and failed me.  go figure.