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Title: Rough Draft
Post by: gymrat on March 20, 2013, 05:34:30 PM
This is the idea I am kicking around for my columbus single hopped IPA. Is this too strong on the hops?

BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Ralph's Wag Your Tail Columbus Pale Ale
Brewer: Roger
Asst Brewer: Ralph the Wonderdog
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (30.0)

Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 5.70 gal
Post Boil Volume: 5.20 gal
Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal   
Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
Estimated OG: 1.069 SG
Estimated Color: 8.2 SRM
Estimated IBU: 102.1 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 72.0 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                   Name                                     Type          #        %/IBU         
10 lbs                Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM)           Grain         1        75.5 %       
2 lbs                 Munich Malt - 10L (10.0 SRM)             Grain         2        15.1 %       
12.0 oz               Victory Malt (25.0 SRM)                  Grain         3        5.7 %         
8.0 oz                White Wheat Malt (2.4 SRM)               Grain         4        3.8 %         
2.00 oz               Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 15. Hop           5        47.9 IBUs     
2.00 oz               Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 10. Hop           6        35.0 IBUs     
2.00 oz               Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 5.0 Hop           7        19.2 IBUs     
1.0 pkg               Nottingham (Danstar #-) [23.66 ml]       Yeast         8        -             
2.00 oz               Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Dry Hop  Hop           9        0.0 IBUs     

I plan on mashing at 150

Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: goschman on March 20, 2013, 07:14:07 PM
I personally like my IBU:OG to be near 1.0 for IPAs but that is personal preference obviously. Columbus can be pretty pungent so this would likely be to overpowering for my tastes
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: gymrat on March 20, 2013, 07:58:34 PM
Maybe I should back off an ounce or two?
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: goschman on March 20, 2013, 08:45:33 PM
I guess it all depends on what you are going for. I like my IPAs more balanced so I may not be the best person to ask. I think your grain bill looks great.

With a pale ale I might forgo a standard bittering addition but I would leave it in for an IPA. I have received advice in the past to bitter with enough hops to achieve 50% of your desired IBUs then use the rest within 10 minutes remaining in the boil + dry hop. This method works very well for me.

I think if you state what your goal is someone will be able provide better feedback.


Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: gymrat on March 20, 2013, 10:11:21 PM
I hate the bitter bite of most IPAs. I did a cascade pale ale with this same grain bill and hop schedule. It is delicious but not quite as much hop flavor as I had hoped.
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: yso191 on March 20, 2013, 11:41:56 PM
I have used First-wort hopping to minimize the bitterness successfully.  I love the flavor of hops, I just use a bittering amount enough to give a counterpoise to the beer.
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: gymrat on March 20, 2013, 11:54:23 PM
I FWH all of my red ales, amber ales, brown ales, porters and stouts. But when I tried it with my cirst IPA it still came out too bitter. I really like hop bursting my IPAs. I get good hop flavor without the bite. At least that is the way my citra IPA turned out.
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: oly on March 21, 2013, 12:49:07 AM
Over in the recipe section at Tastybrew there is an all Columbus IPA called Powderhead. I've made it more than once and it's good. It has 1.071 and 92 IBU, some of those as FWH (no 60min, just FWH 30min 5min and DH). Might be worth checking out.
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: gymrat on March 21, 2013, 02:44:03 AM
Thanks Oly
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: brewmasternpb on March 21, 2013, 03:34:50 AM
I have a lot of Columbus at home and have made a few all-columbus beers.  I actually think you're right on.  The one point I question is your malt bill...  I have great success with Base malt (half Marris Otter, have American pale) and some CaraPils, but that might be too light for your liking.  Who knows, the malt might balance the Columbus....
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: erockrph on March 21, 2013, 04:43:20 AM
If you want to cut the IBU's down a little, then you could simply move your 5 minute addition to flameout. Otherwise it looks pretty good to me. The grain bill is spot-on how I like my IPA's, although I don't bother with the wheat. The hops do plenty for head retention on their own.

I'd also double the dry-hops. I like at least 4 oz in my IPA's.
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: redbeerman on March 21, 2013, 11:49:35 AM
If you want to cut the IBU's down a little, then you could simply move your 5 minute addition to flameout. Otherwise it looks pretty good to me. The grain bill is spot-on how I like my IPA's, although I don't bother with the wheat. The hops do plenty for head retention on their own.

I'd also double the dry-hops. I like at least 4 oz in my IPA's.

^^^^^^^   IMHO an IPA should be more balanced than a DIPA for instance.  An AIPA should have lots of hop flavor and aroma and can be pretty bitter, but should not be astringent.  I find that over bittering can take the first layer of cells off your tongue. :o ;)
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: brewmasternpb on March 29, 2013, 04:00:35 AM
Just from experience, I'd have to disagree with the 4 oz of Dry Hops if you're using Columbus... They have so much going on, it's almost a chemical, phenolic character if you use too much.
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: gymrat on March 31, 2013, 05:12:54 AM
I brewed this up yesterday. I did deviate a little from my rough draft. I FWH with 1 oz Mt Hood 3.6% AA hops.
The rest of my hop schedule was as follows:
All Columbus
1oz 20 minutes
2oz 15 minutes
2oz 10 minutes
1oz 5 minutes
My entire man cave smells like hops right now. This afternoon I had krausen in my air lock and had to put in a blow off tube. The tube is full of krausen and blowing into my jug like an aquarium pump.
Title: Rough Draft
Post by: kgs on March 31, 2013, 04:28:53 PM
Is that third addition actually at 10 minutes?
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: gymrat on April 01, 2013, 02:01:59 PM
yes it is..thankyou for pointing that out.
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: kgs on April 04, 2013, 11:45:22 AM
de nada! Every time I read that hop schedule my mouth waters. I look forward to hearing how it turns out.
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: gymrat on April 11, 2013, 02:15:18 PM
I tasted a sample of this stuff when I went to dry hop it. Holy smoke is it hoppy! Complete with what I consider a nasty bitter bite. Very piney. I decided to change my plans and dry hop it with Cascades instead of Columbus to maybe tone down or balance out the piney character. I know it will be way too hoppy for my taste so I hope my friends enjoy it.
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: goschman on April 11, 2013, 04:08:57 PM
So what did your OG and IBUs end up at out of curiousity?

I brewed an all columbus wheat beer last week with similar timing addtions though way smaller. My efficiency was horrible and the hops will have nothing to hide behind so I am afraid the columbus will be too potent for what I was going for. Oh well gonna dry hop with Columbus anyway and just see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: gymrat on April 11, 2013, 04:45:12 PM
My OG was 1.063 and Beersmith has my IBU at 140.9 and my bitterness ratio at 2.204.
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: goschman on April 11, 2013, 05:01:06 PM
My OG was 1.063 and Beersmith has my IBU at 140.9 and my bitterness ratio at 2.204.

Oh wow. Yeah I have never done a beer over around 80 IBUs so I can't really related.
Title: Re: Rough Draft
Post by: gymrat on April 21, 2013, 06:27:11 PM
After 6 days in the bottle I popped the top on one of these bad boys. I must say it is very tasty. I have decided I like Columbus hops and am very glad I have another half a pound of them. The flavor was just right. As far as hop forwardness I would say it about the same as a New Belgium Ranger. Of course it tastes different because it is almost single hopped with Columbus. Now I wish I would have used them for dry hopping too. Though I doubt I can taste the Cascades I dry hopped with.

Now I have 3 oz of Simcoe. I am considering using them to single hop a white wheat.