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Title: Why I run Windows
Post by: denny on March 30, 2013, 05:11:19 PM
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Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: jeffy on March 30, 2013, 07:33:33 PM
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I couldn't help touching that yes button.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: a10t2 on March 30, 2013, 08:37:02 PM
Mac OS X all the way for me. No free beer, but proper punctuation. ;D
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: denny on March 30, 2013, 10:02:47 PM
Mac OS X all the way for me. No free beer, but proper punctuation. ;D

A Mac would ask you if you'd like an appletini....
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 30, 2013, 10:25:37 PM
Mac OS X all the way for me. No free beer, but proper punctuation. ;D

A Mac would ask you if you'd like an appletini....
  Laughing my arse off!
Title: Why I run Windows
Post by: majorvices on March 30, 2013, 10:56:12 PM
Mac OS X all the way for me. No free beer, but proper punctuation. ;D

A Mac would ask you if you'd like an appletini....

Funny coming from the guy who constantly posts from his iPad.

I have a PC that runs on windows and I'm finally getting used to it ... Sucking
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: nateo on March 31, 2013, 02:12:49 AM
I've been running Windows 7 for about two years now. It's been surprisingly stable, compared to XP Pro. I've never had a blue screen of death, or other instability issues. I don't get all the hate for it.
Title: Why I run Windows
Post by: majorvices on March 31, 2013, 12:53:44 PM
Compared to windows 8, 7 is a dream. We bought a machine for tHe brewery that came pre-installed with 8 and OMG it is a nightmare. It is a huge, clunky mess. Huge bugs that don't have any fixes. And we tried to install 7 on the machine but you can't get the particular drivers you need. They are forcing you to move onto windows 8.
Title: Re: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: Mark G on March 31, 2013, 01:39:57 PM
Compared to windows 8, 7 is a dream. We bought a machine for tHe brewery that came pre-installed with 8 and OMG it is a nightmare. It is a huge, clunky mess. Huge bugs that don't have any fixes. And we tried to install 7 on the machine but you can't get the particular drivers you need. They are forcing you to move onto windows 8.
Yeah, I'd love to hear the thought process behind Windows 8. They finally made a decent version with 7, why try to reinvent the wheel at that point?
Title: Re: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: erockrph on April 01, 2013, 03:03:53 AM
Compared to windows 8, 7 is a dream. We bought a machine for tHe brewery that came pre-installed with 8 and OMG it is a nightmare. It is a huge, clunky mess. Huge bugs that don't have any fixes. And we tried to install 7 on the machine but you can't get the particular drivers you need. They are forcing you to move onto windows 8.
Yeah, I'd love to hear the thought process behind Windows 8. They finally made a decent version with 7, why try to reinvent the wheel at that point?

Every time MS comes out with a decent OS, they release a new version that is largely an update to the previous version, but just works worse. 95 > ME, XP > Vista, 7 > 8. Glad my hardware (and software) should be stable long-term so I can stick with Win7 for a while.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: euge on April 01, 2013, 02:31:50 PM
What can I say? Use Linux and most of your pc woes will evaporate. 
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: mmitchem on April 01, 2013, 03:46:49 PM
What can I say? Use Linux and most of your pc woes will evaporate.

+1,000,000,000

Fedora took a little while to get used to, but I am so pleased with it now. Everything I can do in Windows can be done here. I will never look back!
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 01, 2013, 04:03:33 PM
What can I say? Use Linux and most of your pc woes will evaporate.

Used Linux to recover a crashed PC.  All data was recoverable, which was nice.

Not sure I'm moving to Linux, as I'm stuck in the mud.  The learning curve wasn't too extreme, but I don't know about educating my wife, father, mother-in-law, children, etc. on a new OS.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: nateo on April 01, 2013, 04:10:56 PM
Wait, does Linux "work" because you can't run any programs on it, so there's nothing to go wrong?
Title: Re: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: Slowbrew on April 01, 2013, 04:11:03 PM
Compared to windows 8, 7 is a dream. We bought a machine for tHe brewery that came pre-installed with 8 and OMG it is a nightmare. It is a huge, clunky mess. Huge bugs that don't have any fixes. And we tried to install 7 on the machine but you can't get the particular drivers you need. They are forcing you to move onto windows 8.
Yeah, I'd love to hear the thought process behind Windows 8. They finally made a decent version with 7, why try to reinvent the wheel at that point?

Every time MS comes out with a decent OS, they release a new version that is largely an update to the previous version, but just works worse. 95 > ME, XP > Vista, 7 > 8. Glad my hardware (and software) should be stable long-term so I can stick with Win7 for a while.

Microsoft is stuck in a mindset that makes it believe it is competing directly with Apple.  Windows 8 is another step down that path.  They are convinced everyone wants a gesture controlled interface on every platform but what works on your phone isn't likely to be a good fit on your PC.

In the old days, we always said "never trust and even numbered DOS.  Not much has changed except it's more difficult to identify the crap now.  You just have to figure out where you are in there product cycle. 

Win95 (Okay)
Win-ME (crap)
Win98 (Pretty good)
WinXP (After the first year - Very good, very stable)
Vista (calling it crap is too kind)
Windows 7 (good OS, Stable)
Windows 8 (I can't imagine who thought this was a good idea)

Maybe project Blue will fix it again.

Paul
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: denny on April 01, 2013, 04:12:05 PM
What can I say? Use Linux and most of your pc woes will evaporate.

Linux would offer you vodka and Red Bull.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: denny on April 01, 2013, 04:12:46 PM
Wait, does Linux "work" because you can't run any programs on it, so there's nothing to go wrong?

Yeah, I think so.  ;)
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: mmitchem on April 01, 2013, 04:15:52 PM
You can run ANY windows program on Linux. It is ok to fear the unknown ;)
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: denny on April 01, 2013, 04:16:59 PM
You can run ANY windows program on Linux. It is ok to fear the unknown ;)

I have a lot of pro audio stuff that AFAIK won't run on Linux.  Too hardware specific.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: majorvices on April 01, 2013, 04:46:37 PM
It's not really just windows (in fact, it's probably more the fact that I have an HP) it's everything on the win platform. For instance, on Google Chrome my Gmail doesn't work properly. It works fine on Safari. On my printer at home (which is an HP as well) I have not been able to get my HP PC to work wirelessly. But my iPad and Mac works just fine.

Just weird stuff like that that makes having a PC an unpleasant experience.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: thebigbaker on April 01, 2013, 05:05:31 PM
Many of the companies I support are moving to Macs, especially since we are moving them to the cloud and they can get rid of their Windows infrastructure. 

Just about all systems at my house are Mac based and the only reason I have my Windows systems at home is due to the fact that I support so many companies and businesses that rely on Windows systems.  Actually, when I'm using remote desktop to troublshoot a system or network, I'm on a Mac.  With Windows 8, it just seems like it takes 1-2 more steps to do anything compared to Windows 7 and XP.  If mine started asking me if I would like a beer, then maybe I would like it a little more ;D
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: mmitchem on April 01, 2013, 05:21:36 PM
I have figured out how to run my ProTools software and hardware on my Linux box after a few tweaks here and there. and there lies the real challenge - since Linux is developed by users, sometimes you have to build what you need. I love Mac as well, but it sits on top of UNIX so it has the good system underneath. But I have really grown to love Linux. I am a network engineer by trade so the Linux OS (Red Hat flavor primarily) is really great. Windows is ok, nothing really wrong with it, but there is so much control with Linux that it really makes it stand out for me.

Nothing like laying down a whole mess of good bluegrass down on a Linux box, am I right??? :)
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: denny on April 01, 2013, 05:54:31 PM
I have figured out how to run my ProTools software and hardware on my Linux box after a few tweaks here and there. and there lies the real challenge - since Linux is developed by users, sometimes you have to build what you need. I love Mac as well, but it sits on top of UNIX so it has the good system underneath. But I have really grown to love Linux. I am a network engineer by trade so the Linux OS (Red Hat flavor primarily) is really great. Windows is ok, nothing really wrong with it, but there is so much control with Linux that it really makes it stand out for me.

Nothing like laying down a whole mess of good bluegrass down on a Linux box, am I right??? :)

Wow, getting PT to run is a major accomplishment!  Good job.  Fortunately for me, Win7 works flawlessly on all my machines so I have no incentive to do anything else.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: mmitchem on April 01, 2013, 06:10:25 PM
yeah it took a little bit of work. And like you said, if you are content with what you are running, then there is no real reason to change things up. Same can be said about brewing. if it ain't broke - don't go screwing with it!
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: euge on April 01, 2013, 10:53:38 PM
My ubuntu 10.04 LTS has run 24/7 flawlessly for three years on a dated generic toshiba laptop. Extremely frequent updates- security or otherwise are provided for free as was the OS. Linux is a real contender against MS and OSX and can run without a reboot for a long long time and there are no problems with viruses.

Denny- back to the spirit of ubuntu and booze the drink would be coffee... So maybe a Black Russian!
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on April 02, 2013, 02:15:50 AM
Linux for me too.
I run Fedora now but I also run Win XP in Virtual Machine for Quick Books.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: mmitchem on April 02, 2013, 12:27:30 PM
You Sillies. Just install the program with Wine :)
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: euge on April 02, 2013, 01:30:41 PM
I ran XP in vmware under linux. It performed better and more solidly than if it had been installed as the main OS. Felt kinda dirty as if I had been doing something wrong. ;D
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: denny on April 02, 2013, 03:34:35 PM
What really amazes me is to hear people say that they have issues with Windows, especially Win7.  I have run every build of windows since before Win3, all of them heavily used in a technical business situation.  I have also run Macs for quite a while and taken care of Linux networks.  I have never found Win to be any more troublesome or difficult to administer than any of the alternatives.  I have no problems with crashing or viruses.  I have no doubt, based on what I've heard, that others do have issues.  My point is that it's certainly possible to have an efficient, trouble free system based on windows.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: tschmidlin on April 02, 2013, 04:00:00 PM
In my limited experience as the extended family help desk, the biggest problem people seem to have is that they are running an old version of windows and trying to install new programs that are not as backwards compatible as they could be.  So they blame windows for not being able to handle it when the problem is the new program is configured for an updated OS and nearly all of the RAM than they have installed.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: anje on April 02, 2013, 04:00:57 PM
What really amazes me is to hear people say that they have issues with Windows, especially Win7.  I have run every build of windows since before Win3, all of them heavily used in a technical business situation.  I have also run Macs for quite a while and taken care of Linux networks.  I have never found Win to be any more troublesome or difficult to administer than any of the alternatives.  I have no problems with crashing or viruses.  I have no doubt, based on what I've heard, that others do have issues.  My point is that it's certainly possible to have an efficient, trouble free system based on windows.
Windows Me wasn't that bad once I figured out that the switch on my power strip was the best method of fixing freezes.

/Running Xubuntu 12.10 now, only even look at Windows because I'm too lazy to bother figuring out how to run Moonlight so I can watch Netflix.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: a10t2 on April 02, 2013, 04:10:01 PM
So they blame windows for not being able to handle it when the problem is the new program is configured for an updated OS and nearly all of the RAM than they have installed.

It seems like most of the issues I've encountered, with family and in my stint doing support in school, are with the massive amounts of garbage that come pre-installed. I've used (and still use, when I have to cross-boot) *very* stable Windows machines, but they all started as fresh installs. That's something an "average" user doesn't even know to do - nor should they have to.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: mmitchem on April 02, 2013, 04:33:24 PM
I like Win7 - alot. It was a real step away from the way Windows used to work. Feels more like a Mac or Linux OS in the sense that you verify changes being made. On domains this will usually involve credentials.

It is stable and works like a champ. The developer/engineer side of me really enjoys the flexibility of Linux.

Backwards compatibility is really hit and miss. It sucks most of the time. Just the way they get consumers to buy the latest and greatest hardware/software. Ugh - the never-ending struggle...
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: denny on April 02, 2013, 05:16:48 PM
I guess I should add that I'm a very experienced computer user.  I started programming before a lot of people here were born.  I either build my machines from scratch, specify exactly what goes into them, or strip all the preinstalled software from a commercial machine and reconfigure it the way I like.  Admittedly, not everyone has the experience or time to do that and I think that those are the people who can run into problems.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: anje on April 02, 2013, 05:23:27 PM
So they blame windows for not being able to handle it when the problem is the new program is configured for an updated OS and nearly all of the RAM than they have installed.

It seems like most of the issues I've encountered, with family and in my stint doing support in school, are with the massive amounts of garbage that come pre-installed. I've used (and still use, when I have to cross-boot) *very* stable Windows machines, but they all started as fresh installs. That's something an "average" user doesn't even know to do - nor should they have to.
What's sad is that most pre-built computers that you purchase today come with "recovery" disks that have all that garbage still present. Makes doing a fresh, clean install that much more difficult.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 02, 2013, 09:13:22 PM
So they blame windows for not being able to handle it when the problem is the new program is configured for an updated OS and nearly all of the RAM than they have installed.

It seems like most of the issues I've encountered, with family and in my stint doing support in school, are with the massive amounts of garbage that come pre-installed. I've used (and still use, when I have to cross-boot) *very* stable Windows machines, but they all started as fresh installs. That's something an "average" user doesn't even know to do - nor should they have to.
What's sad is that most pre-built computers that you purchase today come with "recovery" disks that have all that garbage still present. Makes doing a fresh, clean install that much more difficult.

With a few exceptions, I've found that you can get pretty much all the required drivers on line so you can wipe the drive and reinstall a clean OS.  Of course, with my wife's laptop I did not do this, used the recovery disks and it still seems to have some problems (though some of them are user malfunctions).  All other computers in our house are either custom builds or clean installs.  I have to admit I'm still using XP.  Works fine for our purposes and I know my way around it.  I'd move up to Windows 7, but I don't really care to put the time into upgrading anything.  I'd rather brew some beer.
Title: Why I run Windows
Post by: majorvices on April 17, 2013, 11:36:49 AM
saw this this morning: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/04/16/windows-its-over-tech-site-declares/

It's not just me! ;)
Title: Re: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: Mark G on April 17, 2013, 12:17:08 PM
saw this this morning: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/04/16/windows-its-over-tech-site-declares/

It's not just me! ;)
That about sums it up. Design an operating system geared towards a touch screen, when 99% of installations won't be on a touch screen device. Pure genius.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: nateo on April 17, 2013, 01:35:47 PM
People have been calling Microsoft "idiots" and saying they're doomed for years. What's different about this time? I remember people saying all the same stuff about Vista and 7 too.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: theDarkSide on April 17, 2013, 01:42:35 PM
Windows 8 is the new era Windows ME and Vista.  We'll stick with Win7 at work for the time being.  We sill have a ton of XP machines.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: mmitchem on April 17, 2013, 02:23:52 PM
I guess I should add that I'm a very experienced computer user.  I started programming before a lot of people here were born.  I either build my machines from scratch, specify exactly what goes into them, or strip all the preinstalled software from a commercial machine and reconfigure it the way I like.  Admittedly, not everyone has the experience or time to do that and I think that those are the people who can run into problems.

Kudos Denny! I am beginning to wonder what you CAN'T do!
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: denny on April 17, 2013, 03:40:05 PM
I guess I should add that I'm a very experienced computer user.  I started programming before a lot of people here were born.  I either build my machines from scratch, specify exactly what goes into them, or strip all the preinstalled software from a commercial machine and reconfigure it the way I like.  Admittedly, not everyone has the experience or time to do that and I think that those are the people who can run into problems.

Kudos Denny! I am beginning to wonder what you CAN'T do!

Actually, that would be a very long list, Mike!  My wife would be happy to verify that!
Title: Why I run Windows
Post by: majorvices on April 17, 2013, 07:48:23 PM
People have been calling Microsoft "idiots" and saying they're doomed for years. What's different about this time? I remember people saying all the same stuff about Vista and 7 too.

I don't think they are idiots nor do I think Windows is going away. But egads Windows 8 is a nightmare.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: yugamrap on May 08, 2013, 09:55:13 PM
People have been calling Microsoft "idiots" and saying they're doomed for years. What's different about this time? I remember people saying all the same stuff about Vista and 7 too.

I don't think they are idiots nor do I think Windows is going away. But egads Windows 8 is a nightmare.

Since Windows 8 was released, I've been buying laptop PCs for our company through Toshiba Direct and pay a little extra to "downgrade" to Windows 7 Pro.  We've had really good results.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: majorvices on May 09, 2013, 11:38:32 AM
I just realized, it's not Windows I hate. It's non mac computers in general. My laptop died yesterday. I hated that thing, but I needed it too. Now I'm screwed. Computer guy said the hard drive won't spin up. I will never buy an HP again. Screw you HP!

Here my old Mac I bought used in 2005 still chugs along....
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on May 09, 2013, 11:43:34 AM
Since Windows 8 was released, I've been buying laptop PCs for our company through Toshiba Direct and pay a little extra to "downgrade" to Windows 7 Pro.  We've had really good results.

I've had to do this at every company I've worked for because most PLC programming software packages lag behind on supporting new Windows builds.

Its actually a nice situation: I always know what to expect. I happily work on XP as people complain about Vista. I'm moving right along on 7 while hearing the pitfalls of 8.

Meanwhile, I haven't had to replace my personal laptop since graduating college, so the ol' girl back home is chugging along with Vista. She's still fighting the good fight, but I've got all my beer recipes and notes on Google Drive, just in case...
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: a10t2 on May 09, 2013, 05:25:22 PM
Here my old Mac I bought used in 2005 still chugs along....

It's crazy how well-made they are compared to other laptops. I just retired my MacBook Pro from 2005. The only problem with the old one is that the battery is totally dead, which never bothered me because a 17" isn't really a portable anyway. I can put a new battery in it and sell it on eBay for about 1/3 the price of a brand-new 13".

I also just realized the new models have no moving parts, which is just awesome.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: euge on May 09, 2013, 09:05:23 PM
I'm definitely going solid state when this 5yo lappy goes belly up. Already ruined one hard-drive when the Roomba jerked the venerable toshiba off the table by the power cord. :(
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: Jeff M on May 09, 2013, 09:52:12 PM
SSD has its own pitfalls. im not convinced the technology is 100% stable yet.  but it sure is getting there:)
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: erockrph on May 10, 2013, 01:52:05 AM
SSD has its own pitfalls. im not convinced the technology is 100% stable yet.  but it sure is getting there:)

I can't argue with that, but they're so damn fast that it's totally worth it to me. The first time I booted into Windows in 30 seconds I was hooked.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: nateo on May 10, 2013, 02:58:34 AM
I had a Thinkpad that was rock solid for years. IBM/Lenovo/whatever even replaced the motherboard for me for free, out of warranty. I put the service request in Monday night, got the return shipping box Tuesday morning, and got the repaired computer back Thursday evening. Unbelievable customer service. I don't use it much anymore, but it still runs fine. I think it's a 2006 model, IIRC.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: tschmidlin on May 10, 2013, 04:38:03 AM
I just realized, it's not Windows I hate. It's non mac computers in general. My laptop died yesterday. I hated that thing, but I needed it too. Now I'm screwed. Computer guy said the hard drive won't spin up. I will never buy an HP again. Screw you HP!
You're blaming the hard drive failure on it being non-mac, but with consolidation in hard drive manufacturers there's only a few making them for everyone, and quality in general seems to have gone down.  I've had Western Digital drives fail on me in days and some last over a decade.  Now I automatically back up everything (I use carbonite) and can restore on a new drive no problem - I did it a while back when I got a new computer, it just copied everything straight on to the new machine.  I highly recommend some solution like that.
Title: Why I run Windows
Post by: majorvices on May 10, 2013, 11:38:05 AM
Don't try to disillusion my bias, dude.
Title: Re: Why I run Windows
Post by: tschmidlin on May 10, 2013, 02:59:17 PM
Don't try to disillusion my bias, dude.
If you're going to be like that I'm going to have to report you to the mods for discussing religion ;D