Homebrewers Association | AHA Forum

General Category => Ingredients => Topic started by: a10t2 on April 23, 2013, 01:10:39 AM

Title: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: a10t2 on April 23, 2013, 01:10:39 AM
I was looking for something else and stumbled on a pretty good (possibly dated) summary of hop breeding and the parentage of some common hops. I haven't even managed to crack open my copy of Hops yet, so maybe this is all old news.

http://www.brewerssupplygroup.com/FileCabinet/TheBreeding_Varieties%5b1%5d.pdf (http://www.brewerssupplygroup.com/FileCabinet/TheBreeding_Varieties%5b1%5d.pdf)

Edit: Oops. Fixed the link.
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: reverseapachemaster on April 23, 2013, 02:44:10 AM
The link is missing the inclusion of [1].pdf so it doesn't open right without some copy and pasting.

I don't think Hops is as concise as that document. It's definitely a convenient resource.
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 23, 2013, 02:54:23 AM
Nice find Sean, thanks!
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: donsmitty on April 23, 2013, 11:46:27 AM
Thanks for posting the link to this article. 
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: ultravista on April 23, 2013, 01:28:49 PM
mtnrockhopper - what are your thoughts on 1/2 pound of coffee cold steeped & added to an imperial porter?

How much water do you use for 1/2 pound and how much of that ends up in the beer? Do you adjust your batch size to accommodate the volume increase?
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: bwana on April 23, 2013, 01:46:47 PM
Excellent article! Thanks for posting. I found it interesting that he recomended to take your hops out of cold storage 24 hours before using them for dry hoping.
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: a10t2 on April 23, 2013, 04:14:05 PM
I found it interesting that he recomended to take your hops out of cold storage 24 hours before using them for dry hoping.

I think it would be fair to say that attitudes toward myrcene have shifted in the past 15 years, at least on this side of the pond.
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 23, 2013, 04:24:24 PM
Thanks Sean.  Interesting.  So does (or has) anybody dry hopped by warming them up for a day 1st?  I've done a ton of dry hopping, but always from the old school approach,ie., keep em cold.
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: bluesman on April 23, 2013, 04:28:40 PM
Interesting find Sean. Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: denny on April 23, 2013, 05:02:49 PM
Thanks Sean.  Interesting.  So does (or has) anybody dry hopped by warming them up for a day 1st?  I've done a ton of dry hopping, but always from the old school approach,ie., keep em cold.

I don't warm up the hops before dry hopping, but after being out of the freezer for a couple hours they're up to room temp anyway.  Then the go into the fermenter or keg, which I usually leave at room temp for 5-14 days.  So what's the difference?
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 23, 2013, 05:13:05 PM
Thanks Sean.  Interesting.  So does (or has) anybody dry hopped by warming them up for a day 1st?  I've done a ton of dry hopping, but always from the old school approach,ie., keep em cold.

I don't warm up the hops before dry hopping, but after being out of the freezer for a couple hours they're up to room temp anyway.  Then the go into the fermenter or keg, which I usually leave at room temp for 5-14 days.  So what's the difference?
[/quote
Not much I assume.  I'd just never heard of doing it on purpose.
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: morticaixavier on April 23, 2013, 06:01:12 PM
Thanks Sean.  Interesting.  So does (or has) anybody dry hopped by warming them up for a day 1st?  I've done a ton of dry hopping, but always from the old school approach,ie., keep em cold.

I don't warm up the hops before dry hopping, but after being out of the freezer for a couple hours they're up to room temp anyway.  Then the go into the fermenter or keg, which I usually leave at room temp for 5-14 days.  So what's the difference?

I'm guessing that a .25 ton bale of hops takes considerably longer to come up to room temp than your dry hop addition Denny (perhaps not a safe assumption?) so I would guess there is 0 difference as the net effect is identical.
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: denny on April 23, 2013, 07:24:16 PM
Hmmm, 500 lb. of dry hops in a 5 gal. batch.....makes my mouth water!  ;)
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: a10t2 on April 23, 2013, 07:30:01 PM
I think the idea, at least based on this article, is that a few hours at room temperature will vaporize the myrcene, keeping it out of the fermenter.

Hmmm, 500 lb. of dry hops in a 5 gal. batch.....makes my mouth water!  ;)

I brewed a DIPA this weekend that has more hops in a 6 gal batch than we use in 16 bbl of American Wheat! :o
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: tschmidlin on April 23, 2013, 07:34:33 PM
Hmmm, 500 lb. of dry hops in a 5 gal. batch.....makes my mouth water!  ;)
What is that, like 12 oz of hops per ounce of beer? ;D  You might as well just eat the hops at that point :)
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: denny on April 23, 2013, 07:54:05 PM
Hmmm, 500 lb. of dry hops in a 5 gal. batch.....makes my mouth water!  ;)
What is that, like 12 oz of hops per ounce of beer? ;D  You might as well just eat the hops at that point :)

And there's a problem with that?  :)
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: aschecte on April 23, 2013, 08:00:01 PM
thanks for the info !!
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: tschmidlin on April 23, 2013, 08:04:20 PM
Hmmm, 500 lb. of dry hops in a 5 gal. batch.....makes my mouth water!  ;)
What is that, like 12 oz of hops per ounce of beer? ;D  You might as well just eat the hops at that point :)

And there's a problem with that?  :)
Only in actually getting the beer out of the hops ;)
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: jeffy on April 23, 2013, 09:39:23 PM
Hmmm, 500 lb. of dry hops in a 5 gal. batch.....makes my mouth water!  ;)
What is that, like 12 oz of hops per ounce of beer? ;D  You might as well just eat the hops at that point :)

And there's a problem with that?  :)
Only in actually getting the beer out of the hops ;)
Maybe use the French press from the coffee thread.
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: klickitat jim on April 23, 2013, 11:20:57 PM
Generally speaking I never wring out my hops. Fear of obtaining some off flavor. But if your hop bill requires a forklift I doubt most non-bjcp people could detect that the hops were squeezed. I would suggest wearing eye protection while drinking a 100 lb per gallon beer through. Not sure LASIK can correct permanent iris pucker.

"Friends don't let friends drink bad beer"

Title: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: denny on April 24, 2013, 12:02:28 AM
Generally speaking I never wring out my hops. Fear of obtaining some off flavor. But if your hop bill requires a forklift I doubt most non-bjcp people could detect that the hops were squeezed. I would suggest wearing eye protection while drinking a 100 lb per gallon beer through. Not sure LASIK can correct permanent iris pucker.

"Friends don't let friends drink bad beer"

Sometimes I squeeze my (hop) bag and sometimes I don't.  I've found found anything undesirable from doing it.
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: tschmidlin on April 24, 2013, 12:41:58 AM
I've found found anything undesirable from doing it.
So you found undesirable things twice? ;)
Title: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: denny on April 24, 2013, 02:20:36 AM
I've found found anything undesirable from doing it.
So you found undesirable things twice? ;)

the result of typing when I should be working....I meant "haven't found".
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: tschmidlin on April 24, 2013, 02:46:10 AM
I've found found anything undesirable from doing it.
So you found undesirable things twice? ;)

the result of typing when I should be working....I meant "haven't found".
That's not as much fun.
Title: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: denny on April 24, 2013, 02:57:47 AM
I've found found anything undesirable from doing it.
So you found undesirable things twice? ;)

the result of typing when I should be working....I meant "haven't found".
That's not as much fun.

Nope...neither is working!  ;)
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: erockrph on April 26, 2013, 12:46:14 PM
Sometimes I squeeze my (hop) bag and sometimes I don't.  I've found found anything undesirable from doing it.

Is this for kettle hops or dry hops? I squeeze my kettle hops whenever practical (with no ill effect), but I've never done that with dry hops for fear of oxidation.
Title: Re: Interesting Hop Article
Post by: denny on April 26, 2013, 03:38:53 PM
Sometimes I squeeze my (hop) bag and sometimes I don't.  I've found found anything undesirable from doing it.

Is this for kettle hops or dry hops? I squeeze my kettle hops whenever practical (with no ill effect), but I've never done that with dry hops for fear of oxidation.

Kettle hops.  I might have done it with dry hops once or twice, but I don't recall for certain.