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Title: Drinking while brewing
Post by: evil ale on May 06, 2013, 06:16:23 PM
after a few home brews, i thought it would be a great time start a new brew. i am a beginner to the home brew hobby. every thing was going great until it was time to add the pellet hops in. heres what i did, in the last few min of my boil i was to add in my hops so i grabbed the package, cut the top off and dumped it in. just as it all poured into the boiling wort i noticed the i had the wrong package. i had dumped in the yeast.
>:( . i did end up putting the hops in and finished the boil. i chilled it in a ice bath trying to figure out if there is some way to fix my brew.

i figured that i killed the yeast in the boil and at 3am there was no way to get any brewers yeast. but i did find some bakers yeast in the cubard. i used it and is formenting for the past 2 days.

did i ruin my beer? is it going to taste bad?
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: Jeff M on May 06, 2013, 06:21:01 PM
we will find out in 2-3 weeks:D  im sure bakers yeast doesnt have some of the traits that brewing yeasts do, but in the end they are all yeast.  so im sure the sugars are becoming alchohol.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: morticaixavier on May 06, 2013, 06:23:33 PM
should this happen again, you should remember that there is no problem with leaving that wort safely tucked away under an air lock for 24ish hours until you ARE able to get yeast.

However, brewers yeast and bakers yeast are the same species of yeast. While the provenance of the bakers yeast is likely not as perfectly kept as a particular strain of yeast for brewing it'll be fine.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: cornershot on May 06, 2013, 06:35:08 PM
My father in law used to make wine. He used bread yeast but he never, ever drank. Not a sip. He just made it for everyone else to "enjoy". It tasted like bread (among other things not resembling wine).
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: Pinski on May 06, 2013, 06:39:31 PM
This is why some folks wait until wort is in the fermenter before sampling the product. ;)
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: flbrewer on May 06, 2013, 07:03:58 PM
I had one (albeit an 8% DIPA) during my first brew yesterday. I considered a second, but started to feel as if I wasn't as sharp as I would normally be! When there's 5 gallons at stake, I may limit myself to the one beer.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: tcanova on May 06, 2013, 07:21:58 PM
I will make myself a "hot scotchy" with the first runnings but I generally refrain from imbibing until clean up. 
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 06, 2013, 07:23:09 PM
I had one (albeit an % DIPA) during my first brew yesterday. I considered a second, but started to feel as if I wasn't as sharp as I would normally be! When there's 5 gallons at stake, I may limit myself to the one beer.
A cautionary tale !   Poor yeast didn't know what hit 'em.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: Jeff M on May 06, 2013, 07:26:12 PM
not to hijack, but what is this hot scotchy you speak of?
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: morticaixavier on May 06, 2013, 07:30:16 PM
not to hijack, but what is this hot scotchy you speak of?

sweet wort with scotch or some other flavorful brown liquor added.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: Jeff M on May 06, 2013, 07:32:33 PM
i must try this.  maybe tonight.  do you think its kind of alchoholic of me to brew just to drink this? HAHA
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: Siamese Moose on May 06, 2013, 07:37:28 PM
As I tell my homebrew classes:

It is good karma to sip a beer while brewing.
It is bad practice to have too many beers while brewing.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: Pinski on May 06, 2013, 08:48:08 PM
i must try this.  maybe tonight.  do you think its kind of alchoholic of me to brew just to drink this? HAHA
I think inspired is a better word.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: Jeff M on May 06, 2013, 08:52:30 PM
i must try this.  maybe tonight.  do you think its kind of alchoholic of me to brew just to drink this? HAHA
I think inspired is a better word.
you are right, i dont go to meetings;)
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: Slowbrew on May 06, 2013, 09:01:18 PM
I make enough mistakes when I'm sober.  I don't drink anything more than coffee or water until the yeast is tucked in.

That being said, I also start brewing at 5:00AM or so and that seems a bit early for a beer, most days.   8)

Paul
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: a10t2 on May 06, 2013, 09:08:12 PM
did i ruin my beer? is it going to taste bad?

Ruined is probably a stretch, but based on the fermentations I've done with bread yeast, I wouldn't get your hopes up as far as flavor. Another potential concern would be contamination, since standards for microbial levels in baker's yeast are relatively high. I'd give it at least a full month in the fermenter, assuming you're bottling. Having a bacterial fermentation kick off in the bottles would be a Bad Thing.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: 1vertical on May 07, 2013, 05:22:51 AM
I think this is blatant alcohol abuse  :o
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: guido on May 07, 2013, 09:26:20 AM
For safety's sake, I might have one beer--but only after I'm well into the boil.  I like to keep the drinking to a minimum when I'm around flame and boiling wort.
Title: Drinking while brewing
Post by: majorvices on May 07, 2013, 11:06:27 AM
It all boils down to the individual in question. Obviously it's a stupid idea to get rip roaring drunk (just about anytime for that matter) but I don't personally have any issues knocking down a pint or three while brewing. Just doesn't have any negative impact on me, personally. In fact, if it's been a long day a couple of pints can help me push through.

Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: evil ale on May 07, 2013, 12:31:09 PM
did i ruin my beer? is it going to taste bad?

Ruined is probably a stretch, but based on the fermentations I've done with bread yeast, I wouldn't get your hopes up as far as flavor. Another potential concern would be contamination, since standards for microbial levels in baker's yeast are relatively high. I'd give it at least a full month in the fermenter, assuming you're bottling. Having a bacterial fermentation kick off in the bottles would be a Bad Thing.

i will kegging this brew. any more advice for me?
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: gmac on May 07, 2013, 01:43:18 PM
did i ruin my beer? is it going to taste bad?

Ruined is probably a stretch, but based on the fermentations I've done with bread yeast, I wouldn't get your hopes up as far as flavor. Another potential concern would be contamination, since standards for microbial levels in baker's yeast are relatively high. I'd give it at least a full month in the fermenter, assuming you're bottling. Having a bacterial fermentation kick off in the bottles would be a Bad Thing.



i will kegging this brew. any more advice for me?


Just tell us how it tastes.
Title: Drinking while brewing
Post by: majorvices on May 07, 2013, 03:01:00 PM
+1. How does it taste? If it sucks, just dump it. No need in kegging up a beer you can't drinks. And IME bakers yeast makes crummy beer.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 07, 2013, 04:12:07 PM
+1. How does it taste? If it sucks, just dump it. No need in kegging up a beer you can't drinks. And IME bakers yeast makes crummy beer.
+1.  Heard stories about Baker's yeast brews.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: denny on May 07, 2013, 05:08:12 PM
This is why some folks wait until wort is in the fermenter before sampling the product. ;)

+ 1.060!
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: micsager on May 07, 2013, 05:21:24 PM
It all boils down to the individual in question. Obviously it's a stupid idea to get rip roaring drunk (just about anytime for that matter) but I don't personally have any issues knocking down a pint or three while brewing. Just doesn't have any negative impact on me, personally. In fact, if it's been a long day a couple of pints can help me push through.

+1, I'm with ya Keith.  Somehow to me it seems wrong NOT to enjoy one (or more) of my brews, while I make more.  But my brewing partner (SWMBO) is always there to keep me straight.  Heck, many times it's me helping her brew. 
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: yso191 on May 08, 2013, 02:17:08 AM
Yeah...  I just finished my brew day.  I thought "shoot I know my process.". And popped the cap off a bomber.  I thought I was doing fine until I realized I was sparging with 120* water.  I think that was the only mistake I made today.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: davidgzach on May 08, 2013, 11:24:19 AM
I'm in the "gotta drink homebrew while making more homebrew" camp.  However I definitely try to stay in moderation.  I typically brew weekend mornings so it's not really time until the boil for me anyways....

Dave 
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: erockrph on May 08, 2013, 12:48:35 PM
I generally only drink beer later on in the evening after everything around the house is done and I'm ready to kick back and relax. My brew days are typically weekday mornings, so my "time to brew beer" and "time to drink beer" don't normally overlap.

I don't have any set-in-stone rules about not drinking while brewing. I'll occasionally have a couple if I have some friends helping out on a brew day. I will say that my sober brews generally turn out better, though.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: euge on May 08, 2013, 01:21:05 PM
Not if you are still up...
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: Joe Sr. on May 08, 2013, 01:41:03 PM
I forgot to add the finishing hops one time.  But of course, that was the time we took a break between mash and boil to run out to a bar.  There were bad decisions abounding on that particular day.

When I realized my error (the next day or sometime later) I made a hop tea to add to the fermenter and all turned out well.

I'll generally have one or two, but definitely the details can slip especially if the one or two are tripels or old ales.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 08, 2013, 02:24:33 PM
I forgot to add the finishing hops one time.  But of course, that was the time we took a break between mash and boil to run out to a bar.  There were bad decisions abounding on that particular day.

When I realized my error (the next day or sometime later) I made a hop tea to add to the fermenter and all turned out well.

I'll generally have one or two, but definitely the details can slip especially if the one or two are tripels or old ales.
+1.  I did something very similar once.  When I started brewing, I made a few batches with my brother who was more interested in drinking than brewing, to say the least.  So I saved a batch with hop tea.  Came out pretty good, all considered.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: jeffy on May 08, 2013, 03:13:50 PM
I usually start brewing before 9am and have my first beer at noon.  I tend not to forget things or screw up because of drinking, but I find I get aggravated more easily when the pump gets clogged or something leaks.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: cheshirecat on May 08, 2013, 04:39:55 PM
I used to drink a few when I first starting brewing, that was the point right??  ;D But after I poured a batch into an unsanitized carboy, that quickly stopped. I was amazed how much better my beers starting turning out when I stop drinking while brewing and started paying attention.

I usually don't have my first until the wort is in the carboy. If I am doing a double batch, I will have one with lunch which is right about the time I am done with the first brew. Most of the time I brew by myself but when I brewing with my buddies I will usually have a few, but keep the brew simple.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: joe_feist on May 08, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
I'll wait well into the boil to pop the top on a bottle of homebrew; and then it's usually only one with a sandwhich for lunch. I figure the hardest part is the mash, that requires the most attention from me and now that's in the past.
By the time I get to the boil it's lunch time on a Saturday and if the weather's nice it seems a shame not to partake of a previous brewing effort. I find that if I have more than just 1 or 2, then clean-up gets put off until the next day and I hate cleaning up hops and junk that have dried on the sides of the kettle.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: philm63 on May 08, 2013, 06:06:37 PM
I'll wait well into the boil to pop the top on a bottle of homebrew; and then it's usually only one with a sandwhich for lunch. I figure the hardest part is the mash, that requires the most attention from me and now that's in the past.
By the time I get to the boil it's lunch time on a Saturday and if the weather's nice it seems a shame not to partake of a previous brewing effort. I find that if I have more than just 1 or 2, then clean-up gets put off until the next day and I hate cleaning up hops and junk that have dried on the sides of the kettle.

+1 to that!

I write a Brew Day Sheet every time I brew so every step is clear including timing, amounts, etc., I actually include the following instruction: "When it comes to a boil, start the xx-min timer and have a homebrew!"

P.S. - That Brew Day Sheet has saved my butt a few times after a pint or two -
Title: Drinking while brewing
Post by: majorvices on May 08, 2013, 06:29:04 PM
seems like a few of you are not very well functioning drunks. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 08, 2013, 06:32:02 PM
seems like a few of you are not very well functioning drunks. Just sayin'.
I think it's an acquired skill !  Took some trial and error.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: weithman5 on May 08, 2013, 06:40:38 PM
seems like a few of you are not very well functioning drunks. Just sayin'.
I think it's an acquired skill !  Took some trial and error.
'

yeah, i think they just need more practice till they can do it easily 8)
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: erockrph on May 08, 2013, 07:04:17 PM
seems like a few of you are not very well functioning drunks. Just sayin'.
I think it's an acquired skill !  Took some trial and error.
'

yeah, i think they just need more practice till they can do it easily 8)

Agreed. I'm way out of practice. Having a 2-year old will do that to you. Once my son is old enough that I can let him drive on brewday, then I might be inclined to sample more while brewing.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: dglucasii on May 09, 2013, 02:02:01 AM
I can't brew beer without drinking it simultaneously...just can't.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: micsager on May 09, 2013, 02:25:59 PM
I'll wait well into the boil to pop the top on a bottle of homebrew; and then it's usually only one with a sandwhich for lunch. I figure the hardest part is the mash, that requires the most attention from me and now that's in the past.
By the time I get to the boil it's lunch time on a Saturday and if the weather's nice it seems a shame not to partake of a previous brewing effort. I find that if I have more than just 1 or 2, then clean-up gets put off until the next day and I hate cleaning up hops and junk that have dried on the sides of the kettle.

I wait 'till I either smack my yeast packs, or start weighing grain.  LOL
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: mpmccann on May 09, 2013, 03:58:55 PM
I've been known to do it, but I really try to pace myself, some days its easier then others... ;D
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: klickitat jim on May 09, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
Drinking while brewing? Mandatory! 
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: davidgzach on May 10, 2013, 12:36:43 AM
Testing this tonight.  Will report back tomorrow.  Made 10G of GPils stone sober earlier and then had a few during my 5G of BoPils tonight.  Already experienced a few minor setbacks....

Dave 
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: fmader on May 10, 2013, 01:23:10 AM
seems like a few of you are not very well functioning drunks. Just sayin'.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure this out myself. Brew day is usually 5 to 6 hours....A beer an hour can't hurt you... well at least it doesn't affect me too much. The only thing that I ever forget on a regular basis is whirlfloc. I have started to add a 10-15 minute hop addition, so I add my tab to that baggie.
Title: Drinking while brewing
Post by: denny on May 10, 2013, 01:24:13 AM
seems like a few of you are not very well functioning drunks. Just sayin'.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure this out myself. Brew day is usually 5 to 6 hours....A beer an hour can't hurt you... well at least it doesn't affect me too much. The only thing that I ever forget on a regular basis is whirlfloc. I have started to add a 10-15 minute hop addition, so I add my tab to that baggie.

If I drink 5-6 beers, I've had it for the day.  Especially since I begin brewing between 7-9 Am usually.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: fmader on May 10, 2013, 01:28:44 AM
seems like a few of you are not very well functioning drunks. Just sayin'.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure this out myself. Brew day is usually 5 to 6 hours....A beer an hour can't hurt you... well at least it doesn't affect me too much. The only thing that I ever forget on a regular basis is whirlfloc. I have started to add a 10-15 minute hop addition, so I add my tab to that baggie.

If I drink 5-6 beers, I've had it for the day.  Especially since I begin brewing between 7-9 Am usually.

Haha... I usually have a stout with breakfast, which happens during the mash. By the time the boil is over, I MIGHT have two more beers in me. Most do get drank after the boil. I don't know. If I'm doing something productive outside of work, I'm usually doing it while having a beer.
Title: Drinking while brewing
Post by: denny on May 10, 2013, 03:24:32 AM
seems like a few of you are not very well functioning drunks. Just sayin'.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure this out myself. Brew day is usually 5 to 6 hours....A beer an hour can't hurt you... well at least it doesn't affect me too much. The only thing that I ever forget on a regular basis is whirlfloc. I have started to add a 10-15 minute hop addition, so I add my tab to that baggie.

If I drink 5-6 beers, I've had it for the day.  Especially since I begin brewing between 7-9 Am usually.

Haha... I usually have a stout with breakfast, which happens during the mash. By the time the boil is over, I MIGHT have two more beers in me. Most do get drank after the boil. I don't know. If I'm doing something productive outside of work, I'm usually doing it while having a beer.

I used to be able to do that.  No more.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: ynotbrusum on May 10, 2013, 11:20:18 AM
I frankly get more distracted with visitors than with beers.  We have only one rule in our club:  If you are making homebrew, then you are drinking homebrew.  Admittedly, I tend to favor pretty simple beers.....and I usually savor the first one through until the wort is in the boil kettle, but hey, I also typically start by 6 am.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: davidgzach on May 10, 2013, 11:25:15 AM
OK, so I found that all of the automatics during sober brewing became a lot of thought after a couple of all-Simcoe IPAs.  I'd get to my brew closet to grab some Whirfloc and have to take a second to think why I was there.  Adding up brew times was much more difficult and clean-up took a bit longer than usual.  However, all in all the beer was done without any mishaps.  Sue hope it tastes good.  I'm experimenting with a caramel lager.

Dave
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: davidgzach on May 10, 2013, 11:59:14 AM
I should also point out that I finally took the time to measure how much volume I was losing after filling up the fermenter.  There was about 3/4G of trub filled wort left over.  I was about to dump it as usual and said let's figure this out already for sure and filled up a gallon jug instead.  If I was not buzzed I probably would have stayed within the process.

The moral is:  You can learn if you drink and brew as well......or something like that!   ::)

Dave
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: klickitat jim on May 10, 2013, 12:03:04 PM
More dangerous is drinking while posting. .. just sayin
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: davidgzach on May 10, 2013, 12:26:16 PM
More dangerous is drinking while posting. .. just sayin

Yea, that's a no-no.....
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: Slowbrew on May 10, 2013, 12:33:59 PM
More dangerous is drinking while posting. .. just sayin

Yea, that's a no-no.....

I keep relearning that lesson.  I also learned not to try to post while brewing a few weeks ago.  I lose track of time.  Worst boil over in years.   ::)

Paul
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: Joe Sr. on May 10, 2013, 01:56:31 PM
seems like a few of you are not very well functioning drunks. Just sayin'.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure this out myself. Brew day is usually 5 to 6 hours....A beer an hour can't hurt you... well at least it doesn't affect me too much. The only thing that I ever forget on a regular basis is whirlfloc. I have started to add a 10-15 minute hop addition, so I add my tab to that baggie.

The two things I always forget, regardless of consumption, are Irish moss and yeast nutrient.  I suppose I should add them to my recipe so I remember. I'm very much a list person.  If it's not on the list, I'm likely to forget it.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: reverseapachemaster on May 10, 2013, 04:27:11 PM
I only drink while brewing if I am night-brewing, which is very rare. I suspect I'd make some terrible homebrew after drinking several of its cousins.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: tschmidlin on May 10, 2013, 08:36:38 PM
The two things I always forget, regardless of consumption, are Irish moss and yeast nutrient.  I suppose I should add them to my recipe so I remember. I'm very much a list person.  If it's not on the list, I'm likely to forget it.
For me it's the salts in the mash.  Forgot again today. ::)
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: cfleisher on May 11, 2013, 02:51:43 PM
should this happen again, you should remember that there is no problem with leaving that wort safely tucked away under an air lock for 24ish hours until you ARE able to get yeast.

However, brewers yeast and bakers yeast are the same species of yeast. While the provenance of the bakers yeast is likely not as perfectly kept as a particular strain of yeast for brewing it'll be fine.

That is very interesting. I've always assumed baker's yeast would never work, but this makes total sense.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: denny on May 11, 2013, 04:05:42 PM
should this happen again, you should remember that there is no problem with leaving that wort safely tucked away under an air lock for 24ish hours until you ARE able to get yeast.

However, brewers yeast and bakers yeast are the same species of yeast. While the provenance of the bakers yeast is likely not as perfectly kept as a particular strain of yeast for brewing it'll be fine.

That is very interesting. I've always assumed baker's yeast would never work, but this makes total sense.

I think it kinda depends on your definition of "work"  Ferment wort, yes.  Make good beer, probably not.
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: Joe Sr. on May 11, 2013, 04:26:53 PM
I think it kinda depends on your definition of "work"  Ferment wort, yes.  Make good beer, probably not.

And that depends on you definition of "good."
Title: Re: Drinking while brewing
Post by: denny on May 11, 2013, 04:53:05 PM
I think it kinda depends on your definition of "work"  Ferment wort, yes.  Make good beer, probably not.

And that depends on you definition of "good."

+1.060!