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Title: First Pro Competition
Post by: micsager on June 11, 2013, 10:13:34 PM
In my state (Washington), a few folks have started the first "Washington Only" beer awards.  WE entered our flagship American Amber.  It's the same recipe that I won 1st place (category, not BOS) with in a few local and regional comps. 

The judging was last month, and the awards will be handed out this coming Saturday. 

I must say, I am going crazy waiting.  To think our little brewery's beer is in the same flight as those from Elysian, Fremont, Red Hook, Hales, Pyramid, and many others is both intimidating and exciting at the same time.  I guess I'm just hoping the Amber category wasn't well entered.  LOL.
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: morticaixavier on June 11, 2013, 10:20:50 PM
Break a leg!
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: jeffy on June 11, 2013, 11:37:33 PM
Good luck!  We have a state-wide competition in Florida in the spring called Best Florida Beer Championships and have both a homebrew and a commercial competition, only for Florida brewers.  In 2013 we divided the pro competition into two divisions to accomodate the small batch brewers who only make a barrel or two at a time.  It's pretty cool when a brewer like you, only a start-up, gets a best of show trophy.  This year a former homebrewer, now brewing for a pizza parlor, won 1st and 2nd best of show Small Batch Brewer.
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: denny on June 12, 2013, 01:15:54 AM
Good luck, buddy!
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: thebigbaker on June 12, 2013, 02:14:58 AM
Good luck and keep us up to date w/ the results!
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: klickitat jim on June 12, 2013, 03:42:27 AM
+1
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: garc_mall on June 12, 2013, 03:54:14 AM
Mic, are you going to be pouring at WBF?

I will be there pouring with Twelve Bar Brews. Good luck, I will be cheering for you when they announce the awards!
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: james on June 12, 2013, 04:10:02 AM
Good luck.  I was invited to go judge for that but had made too many trips over the mountains around that time for judging and other beer events.
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: micsager on June 12, 2013, 04:33:24 PM
Mic, are you going to be pouring at WBF?

I will be there pouring with Twelve Bar Brews. Good luck, I will be cheering for you when they announce the awards!

Sadly no.  We have to be in town for some charity events.  The wife and and I get quite involved in local things, and once we started a brewery, the folks came knocking.  It's cool though, and get's our name out there.  We have fun with it. 

But, when they announce the Ambers, if you wanted to PM me, that would be cool.

Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: bluesman on June 12, 2013, 06:46:27 PM
Best of luck to you Mic!  :)
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: garc_mall on June 12, 2013, 11:57:48 PM
Mic, are you going to be pouring at WBF?

I will be there pouring with Twelve Bar Brews. Good luck, I will be cheering for you when they announce the awards!

Sadly no.  We have to be in town for some charity events.  The wife and and I get quite involved in local things, and once we started a brewery, the folks came knocking.  It's cool though, and get's our name out there.  We have fun with it. 

But, when they announce the Ambers, if you wanted to PM me, that would be cool.

I can send you a PM when I hear the results. TBB didn't enter, so I have nothing to listen for for them.
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on June 13, 2013, 01:08:26 PM
Good luck, man!
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: micsager on June 16, 2013, 04:24:31 PM
Thanks for all the good wishes everyone!  The results were announced yesterday, and we did not win any award.  I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed.   :-\

I am looking forward to the judging sheets.  It will be interesting the differences between what they send for a pro competition vs the BJCP sheets.  They did say they were judging to the BA standards. 

Hopefully we can do better next year.



Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: klickitat jim on June 17, 2013, 12:09:46 AM
Bummer but hang in there. Keep at it. Thanks for sharing let us know what you learn from the sheets.
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: micsager on June 17, 2013, 08:13:23 PM
Thanks Jim. 

Yea, we will keep at it for sure.  I'll try to figure out a way to post the judging sheets.  (as long as their not TOO bad, LOL)
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: jeffy on June 17, 2013, 09:47:43 PM
I am interested in the forms they are using, whether it is BJCP, World Beer Cup, GABF or something they made up.  Please let us know when you get them.
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: tschmidlin on June 18, 2013, 05:30:55 AM
I judged the competition (but not the ambers :) )

From what I was told, the forms are similar to the GABF ones but modified to add room for feedback and tasting notes.  Feedback was to be focused on best category for the beer, technical flaws, and bottling issues.  I found them to be very easy to use and they allowed for quick judging (BOS style).
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: In The Sand on June 18, 2013, 12:38:10 PM
I judged the competition (but not the ambers :) )

From what I was told, the forms are similar to the GABF ones but modified to add room for feedback and tasting notes.  Feedback was to be focused on best category for the beer, technical flaws, and bottling issues.  I found them to be very easy to use and they allowed for quick judging (BOS style).

Just curious, do the judges know whose beer they're drinking or is it judged blindly?
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: micsager on June 18, 2013, 02:50:24 PM
We got the judging forms in the mail yesterday.  Very quick, as the awards were just this past Saturday. 

The sheets were different than BJCP.  They had each major category, but then a line with each one with "bad" on one side, and "good" on the other, then the judge would place a tick mark on where they felt the beer scored.  Almost a 1-10 scale, but not really.  Each category line has a "normal" range. 

For our Amber, one judge scored it quite well, one really did not enjoy it, and the third was not so bad, but not great either.  The comments from two judges indicated diacetyl.  I should have kept one bottle from that batch to taste while reading the judging sheets.  Looks like I need to work on my fermenting process.

All in all the judging sheets are brief, but informative.  No numerical score.  We will enter again. 
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: In The Sand on June 18, 2013, 02:52:38 PM
For our Amber, one judge scored it quite well, one really did not enjoy it, and the third was not so bad, but not great either.  The comments from two judges indicated diacetyl.  I should have kept one bottle from that batch to taste while reading the judging sheets.  Looks like I need to work on my fermenting process.


What yeast did you use?
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: micsager on June 18, 2013, 03:03:08 PM
For our Amber, one judge scored it quite well, one really did not enjoy it, and the third was not so bad, but not great either.  The comments from two judges indicated diacetyl.  I should have kept one bottle from that batch to taste while reading the judging sheets.  Looks like I need to work on my fermenting process.


What yeast did you use?

1056
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: In The Sand on June 18, 2013, 03:16:03 PM
1056

Can you get diacetyl from 1056?
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: micsager on June 18, 2013, 03:19:09 PM
1056

Can you get diacetyl from 1056?

From my understanding, yes.  Although if anyone has other thoughts, I'd love to hear them.  Basically I think I need to age the beer in the fermenters a little longer, and maybe raise the temp for the last couple days. 

Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: In The Sand on June 18, 2013, 03:30:31 PM
1056

Can you get diacetyl from 1056?

From my understanding, yes.  Although if anyone has other thoughts, I'd love to hear them.  Basically I think I need to age the beer in the fermenters a little longer, and maybe raise the temp for the last couple days.

I've used this strain multiple times and never had diacetyl problems.  Everything I've read on it suggests "low", if any, diacetyl.  Not sure if anyone else on the forum has had diacetyl with 1056.  That judge may have been picking up on some of the specialty malts you used.  I wouldn't change anything too much based on that comment.  However, I usually ramp the temperature up a bit toward the end of fermentation and before cold crashing just to help the yeast finish up.

Sounds like your reviews were pretty good overall.  Congrats and keep us posted on any future events.
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: hoser on June 18, 2013, 03:49:12 PM
It is possible to get secondary onset diacetyl from late onset oxygenation, i.e. bottling.  So it is possible it has nothing to do with yeast or fermentation.

Also, I have noticed a larger percentage of specialy grains can create the perception of diacetyl.

I have never had diacetyl from chico, but anything is possible.  I tend to ferment that strain 64F and below.

My assumption is it is late-diacetyl is it takes good and clean out of the keg.

Some people are more sensitive to diacetyl than others.  I am very sensitive to it.
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: svejk on June 18, 2013, 04:24:30 PM
Just curious, do the judges know whose beer they're drinking or is it judged blindly?

A friend of mine judged this competition and he told me that all beers were judged blindly.  In addition, since these were local breweries and local judges, they were asked to disclose if they had close connections at any breweries so they could judge categories that those breweries didn't enter to avoid any apparent conflicts.
Title: Re: First Pro Competition
Post by: tschmidlin on June 18, 2013, 05:24:39 PM
Just curious, do the judges know whose beer they're drinking or is it judged blindly?

A friend of mine judged this competition and he told me that all beers were judged blindly.  In addition, since these were local breweries and local judges, they were asked to disclose if they had close connections at any breweries so they could judge categories that those breweries didn't enter to avoid any apparent conflicts.
Yes, blind.  The organizers are very experienced at running BJCP competitions, they put this one together for the pro beers this year.  I think it was a huge success and I'm sure it will be repeated.