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Title: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: factory on June 20, 2013, 04:04:37 PM
I've brewed an IPA a couple of times using Centennial for bittering and Cascade for aroma.  I want to try something different.

What are your favorite hop combinations for an IPA?
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: In The Sand on June 20, 2013, 04:13:12 PM
Depends on what you're looking for.  If you like something fruity/citrusy, you may want to use simcoe, citra, or amarillo.  My favorite combo is citra and simcoe.  I use citra to bitter and finish.  I haven't played around with any earthy/piney hops yet in my IPAs, but you may want to throw chinook in the mix as well.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: blatz on June 20, 2013, 04:13:54 PM
simcoe, amarillo and columbus
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 20, 2013, 04:30:02 PM
simcoe, amarillo and columbus
+1.  Love it.  I love Centennial/Amarillo/Columbus too.  As said, depends on what you're looking for though.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: thebigbaker on June 20, 2013, 04:30:47 PM
My wife asked for tropical, so our house IPA is a little Magnum for bittering, and combination of Amarillo/ Cascade for fwh, end of boil and dry hop. 
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: factory on June 20, 2013, 04:53:26 PM
I guess what I'm looking for is something similar to Green Flash West Coast IPA.  I like the grapefuity taste of that.  Mostly just want to try something different, but I don't want to use clashing flavors, or something that would be completely inappropriate.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: In The Sand on June 20, 2013, 05:02:43 PM
I guess what I'm looking for is something similar to Green Flash West Coast IPA.  I like the grapefuity taste of that.  Mostly just want to try something different, but I don't want to use clashing flavors, or something that would be completely inappropriate.

From Zymurgy:

Columbus, Simcoe, Cascade, Centennial, Amarillo
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 20, 2013, 05:17:26 PM
My wife asked for tropical, so our house IPA is a little Magnum for bittering, and combination of Amarillo/ Cascade for fwh, end of boil and dry hop. 
Speaking of tropical, a friend of mine had a similar request from his wife and brewed an IPA recently with Caliente/Calypso/Mosaic/Columbus, used heavily for finishing and dry.  VERY tropical, but thankfully balanced by the piney Columbus.  Smelled like a tropical fruit basket exploded next to a pine tree. Smelled of peach,pineapple,apple, melon, Mosaic blueberry-ness, and dank pine. Unusual but I actually liked it.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: denny on June 20, 2013, 05:26:04 PM
I'm a big fan of Columbus or Chinook for bittering IPA.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: saintpierre on June 20, 2013, 05:51:28 PM
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I'm a big fan of Columbus or Chinook for bittering IPA.
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I completely agree. 
Chinook, Columbus, Simcoe, Cascade, Centennial, Amarillo are my go to hops for IPA's.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: jweiss206 on June 20, 2013, 05:54:58 PM
For my last IPA I played around with some less common hops and was really happy with the results. I bittered with Galena and Palisade followed by Falconer's Flight and Mosaic for flavor and aroma. Came out more citrusy than I expected (in a good way). Wouldn't surprise me if Mosaic becomes the new Citra.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: djsanta on June 20, 2013, 06:05:18 PM
I've been making an all Apollo IPA for a while and I love it.  Recently had a Columbus, Cascade, Zythos DIPA and the tropical notes of the Zythos were really unique.  I'm getting ready to brew an Apollo, Cascade, Mosaic DIPA soon...my first Mosaic beer.  Anyone have experience with Mosaic?
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: sparkleberry on June 20, 2013, 06:08:48 PM
i've been working on a dipa that fwh with centennial and amarillo and then it's all late hop simcoe and warrior. it's quite tasty and requested the most of my ipas.

Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: snowtiger87 on June 20, 2013, 06:26:11 PM
Amarillo, Citra, and Columbus
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 20, 2013, 06:27:15 PM
I've been making an all Apollo IPA for a while and I love it.  Recently had a Columbus, Cascade, Zythos DIPA and the tropical notes of the Zythos were really unique.  I'm getting ready to brew an Apollo, Cascade, Mosaic DIPA soon...my first Mosaic beer.  Anyone have experience with Mosaic?
Think Simcoe minus alot of the catty quality and with more fruity qualities ( I get the blueberry some have referred to) in addition to the pine that you get from Simcoe.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: Titanium Brewing on June 20, 2013, 06:45:47 PM
I've made a few IPA's with Mosaic and simply love it.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: repo on June 20, 2013, 07:09:58 PM
"A menagerie of hops is layered throughout the brewing process: Simcoe for unique fruitiness and grapefruit zest, Columbus for strong hop pungency, Centennial for pine and citrus notes and Cascade for floral aroma. A multi-dimensional hop experience."   From Green Flash. 

It's interesting how differently people perceive the hop characteristics.  I'd look up your favorite beers and see what they use, lots of breweries list them.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: rjharper on June 20, 2013, 08:52:34 PM
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I'm a big fan of Columbus or Chinook for bittering IPA.

I completely agree. 
Chinook, Columbus, Simcoe, Cascade, Centennial, Amarillo are my go to hops for IPA's.
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This +1
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: hoser on June 20, 2013, 09:02:08 PM
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I'm a big fan of Columbus or Chinook for bittering IPA.

I completely agree. 
Chinook, Columbus, Simcoe, Cascade, Centennial, Amarillo are my go to hops for IPA's.

This +1
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This + Citra

Outside the box, I made an IPA I really enjoyed with the following:

Pacific Jade for bittering
Nelson Sauvin, Galaxy, Motueka, and Topaz late and dry hop.
Dank and citrusy!
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: erockrph on June 20, 2013, 11:06:34 PM
I'm a big fan of Columbus or Chinook for bittering IPA.

+1

I have also started to use Nugget quite a bit as well. It doesn't give quite as much of a bite as Chinook or Columbus, but it's not as neutral as something like Magnum, either.

For flavor/aroma hops my favorite combos have been:
Simcoe, Amarillo, Citra
Amarillo, Columbus, Ultra
Citra, Amarillo, Mosaic, Motueka
Caliente, Centennial, Amarillo, Motueka
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 20, 2013, 11:21:21 PM
Columbus, Chinook, and Nugget are my favorite IPA bittering hops by far. I love Warrior though on some IPAs where I dry hop (depending on the combo) more than usual. It keeps the overall hop impression within limits IMO.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: deepsouth on June 21, 2013, 12:44:24 AM
amarillo and simcoe
amarillo, simcoe & citra
amarillo, simcoe & centennial
centennial & simcoe

i had a lot of those hops as you can see....


i just grabbed some zythos for the first time as well as some mosaic.  not sure what to expect from mosiac.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: fmader on June 21, 2013, 01:13:02 PM
I guess what I'm looking for is something similar to Green Flash West Coast IPA.  I a clone recipelike the grapefuity taste of that.  Mostly just want to try something different, but I don't want to use clashing flavors, or something that would be completely inappropriate.

If you haven't gotten your hard copy yet, look up this months eZymurgy. There's there's a clone recipe in it.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: bwana on June 21, 2013, 02:14:56 PM
Am I the only one that likes English IPA's? Challenger,Fuggle,and East Kent Goldings make for an excellent IPA.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: Norm! on June 21, 2013, 03:17:16 PM
another new and fruity hop is El Dorado, I used it as a dry hop in a chinook/cascade/amarillo based IPA...was very nice.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: snowtiger87 on June 21, 2013, 07:51:45 PM
I made a double IPA at an Iron Brewer competition with El Dorado hops and I have some for dry-hopping as well. Hopefully it will be good.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: dglucasii on June 22, 2013, 02:24:09 AM
I heard good things about Williamette? I read an article a week or so ago that recommended it for APA/IPA
Opinions?
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: lornemagill on June 22, 2013, 02:54:08 AM
amarillo and simcoe
amarillo, simcoe & citra
amarillo, simcoe & centennial
centennial & simcoe

i had a lot of those hops as you can see....


i just grabbed some zythos for the first time as well as some mosaic.  not sure what to expect from mosiac.

I made a 10 gal ipa with 8oz centennial in the boil and 4oz mosaic dry hopped.  one of the best beers ive made, will be a regular line up.  mosaic is great.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: klickitat jim on June 22, 2013, 05:41:08 AM
Re Willamette - It's one of my favorite aroma hops. They says it's actually fuggle, maybe genetically but to my nose and taste its cascade lite
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 22, 2013, 12:47:51 PM
Am I the only one that likes English IPA's? Challenger,Fuggle,and East Kent Goldings make for an excellent IPA.
those can make a very nice English IPA.

Made a Ballantine IPA clone that was tasty. Bullion, Cluster, EKG.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: hopfenundmalz on June 22, 2013, 12:51:02 PM
Re Willamette - It's one of my favorite aroma hops. They says it's actually fuggle, maybe genetically but to my nose and taste its cascade lite
Willamette is a triploid Fuggles, so it is more robust, and there is that PNW terroir going on.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: The Professor on June 22, 2013, 01:16:44 PM
Am I the only one that likes English IPA's? Challenger,Fuggle,and East Kent Goldings make for an excellent IPA.
those can make a very nice English IPA.

Made a Ballantine IPA clone that was tasty. Bullion, Cluster, EKG.


For quite some time now, I've pretty much settled on Bullion & Cluster as my go-to combination for IPA.  For aroma, I often change things up and have used a variety of different hops, but lately  a combination of Cluster and Cascades gives me pretty much what I'm looking for.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: denny on June 22, 2013, 04:35:09 PM
I heard good things about Williamette? I read an article a week or so ago that recommended it for APA/IPA
Opinions?

Despite the fact that I live in the Willamette valley near the Willamette river, you'll never find Willamette hops in my IPA!  They have an earthiness I don't care for.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: kmccaf on June 22, 2013, 07:00:29 PM
I heard good things about Williamette? I read an article a week or so ago that recommended it for APA/IPA
Opinions?

I almost always use Willamette, Glacier, Crystal, or Mt. Hood in my IPA/APAs along with the more powerhouse hops. Sometimes I get a little metallic taste from Willamette though. The earthy, spicy, and herbal nature of those hops brings some complexity to the style, IMO.

Otherwise, Nugget/Mosaic is a hop combo I quite like, as well as Brewer's Gold/Mosaic. Another one is Pacific Jade/Crystal plus another hop that I throw in while brewing.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: klickitat jim on June 23, 2013, 05:40:02 PM
Not sure if it would make an IPA but I enjoy beers named after the hops inside. In fact I am planning one called Cluster Fuggle!
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: erockrph on June 23, 2013, 06:01:25 PM
Not sure if it would make an IPA but I enjoy beers named after the hops inside. In fact I am planning one called Cluster Fuggle!

That's funny, I'm planning an English IPA called Fuggly Nugget myself :)
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: ns3580 on June 30, 2013, 12:19:22 PM
I guess what I'm looking for is something similar to Green Flash West Coast IPA.  I like the grapefuity taste of that.  Mostly just want to try something different, but I don't want to use clashing flavors, or something that would be completely inappropriate.

there is a greenflash recipe in the latest issue of zymurgy that uses simcoe and columbus for most of the bittering and flavor additions until the very end.  It then calls for a large late addition of cascade and uses centennial, simcoe, columbus, amarillo and cascade to dry hop.  i have made this before and it is very good.  on my latest attempt of this beer i substituted the cascade additions with citra and it turned out awesome.  there is a huge grapefruit character that you may be looking for
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: vista on June 30, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Would the anti Denny pale ale consist of willamette hops And Nottingham yeast? Delicious earthy tartness!
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: oly on June 30, 2013, 03:52:19 PM
I guess what I'm looking for is something similar to Green Flash West Coast IPA.  I like the grapefuity taste of that.  Mostly just want to try something different, but I don't want to use clashing flavors, or something that would be completely inappropriate.

there is a greenflash recipe in the latest issue of zymurgy that uses simcoe and columbus for most of the bittering and flavor additions until the very end.  It then calls for a large late addition of cascade and uses centennial, simcoe, columbus, amarillo and cascade to dry hop.  i have made this before and it is very good.  on my latest attempt of this beer i substituted the cascade additions with citra and it turned out awesome.  there is a huge grapefruit character that you may be looking for

Thanks for the citra tip. I also have made that recipe many time and it's great, making it Monday but looking to change it up a bit.  did you sub out all the cascade for citra? ounce for ounce?
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: denny on June 30, 2013, 05:03:32 PM
Would the anti Denny pale ale consist of willamette hops And Nottingham yeast? Delicious earthy tartness!

 ;D
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: HoosierBrew on June 30, 2013, 11:11:42 PM
I guess what I'm looking for is something similar to Green Flash West Coast IPA.  I like the grapefuity taste of that.  Mostly just want to try something different, but I don't want to use clashing flavors, or something that would be completely inappropriate.

there is a greenflash recipe in the latest issue of zymurgy that uses simcoe and columbus for most of the bittering and flavor additions until the very end.  It then calls for a large late addition of cascade and uses centennial, simcoe, columbus, amarillo and cascade to dry hop.  i have made this before and it is very good.  on my latest attempt of this beer i substituted the cascade additions with citra and it turned out awesome.  there is a huge grapefruit character that you may be looking for

Thanks for the citra tip. I also have made that recipe many time and it's great, making it Monday but looking to change it up a bit.  did you sub out all the cascade for citra? ounce for ounce?
Personally, if I subbed out Cascade for Citra, it wouldn't be oz for oz.  Citra is a great hop but can flat take over if used in equal amounts with other hops IMO.  I would use 1/2 (or just over) the amount that you used for Cascade. I'm sure it would work either way though.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: fmader on July 01, 2013, 01:00:23 AM
I'm thinking about trying to bitter with Summit and finishing with Simcoe and Mosaic. I've read a lot of threads where people knock Summit, and the profile taste of "garlic/onion" is kind of a turn off. I just had an Oskar Blues Gubna, which is exclusively Summit, and love it.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: AmandaK on July 01, 2013, 05:28:33 PM
Personally, if I subbed out Cascade for Citra, it wouldn't be oz for oz.  Citra is a great hop but can flat take over if used in equal amounts with other hops IMO.  I would use 1/2 (or just over) the amount that you used for Cascade. I'm sure it would work either way though.

In my brewery, I find this to be true when the beer is fresh, but as it ages a slight amount (say 3-4 weeks in a keg), the Citra domination seems to calm down so I can find the other hop varieties.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: chumley on July 02, 2013, 03:46:08 AM
Nice to see others using Cluster for a bittering hop for IPAs.  Spares me from having to suggest it.

In addition to Cluster, Northern Brewer is also a great IPA bittering hop.

Now after your Cluster/Northern Brewer bittering hop addition, please proceed with Centennial/Amarillo/Cascade for flavor/aroma/dry hop additions, and you are good to go.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: bboy9000 on July 02, 2013, 03:57:06 AM
I like most PNW hops in my IPA's but a Simcoe, Amarillo and Cascade combo used in a Basic Brewing Radio APA was excellent.  It was a "15-minute APA" from extract.  I like the hop combo so much I'm getting ready to keg an all-grain rendition of it. The gravity samples have tasted awesome!  My version is more like an "Extra Pale Ale" at 6.2% abv so it may work in an IPA. The hop schedule for 5G batch per James Spencer on BBR:

2 oz. Simcoe @ 15 mins.
2 oz. Amarillo @ 5 mins.
2 oz. Cascade @ flame out

All late additions so more hops required for desired bitterness but awesome hop flavor and aroma!

*EDIT*  I also don't get the "cat pee" flavor it aroma from Simcoe that people refer to.  A friend of mine who gets that aroma suggested because I'm using it in combination with other hops it may not show up.  Others have suggested the Simcoe "cat pee" may me due to hop oxidation.  I've used it twice and will keep doing so in this combination.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: djsanta on July 02, 2013, 06:58:27 AM
I heard good things about Williamette? I read an article a week or so ago that recommended it for APA/IPA
Opinions?
Willamette is my go to hop for Pale Ales.  It has an earthy, english-like quality to it.  There's a little citrus in the hop, but not nearly as much as the others mentioned in this thread.  For that reason I leave it out of my IPAs.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: reverseapachemaster on July 02, 2013, 02:08:58 PM
I had an all Perle IPA this weekend that was interesting.
Title: Re: Hop combinations for IPAs
Post by: ns3580 on July 03, 2013, 03:06:16 PM
I guess what I'm looking for is something similar to Green Flash West Coast IPA.  I like the grapefuity taste of that.  Mostly just want to try something different, but I don't want to use clashing flavors, or something that would be completely inappropriate.

there is a greenflash recipe in the latest issue of zymurgy that uses simcoe and columbus for most of the bittering and flavor additions until the very end.  It then calls for a large late addition of cascade and uses centennial, simcoe, columbus, amarillo and cascade to dry hop.  i have made this before and it is very good.  on my latest attempt of this beer i substituted the cascade additions with citra and it turned out awesome.  there is a huge grapefruit character that you may be looking for

Thanks for the citra tip. I also have made that recipe many time and it's great, making it Monday but looking to change it up a bit.  did you sub out all the cascade for citra? ounce for ounce?

when I subbed the citra for cascade i did it ounce for ounce.  the aroma was very big so i decided not to dry hop with it and it turned out just right for my taste.  AmandaK is right that the aroma subsides fairly quick. by the end of my dry hop the citra had struck a nice balance with everything else. this is my new favorite ipa to make.