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Title: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: punatic on July 27, 2013, 05:52:44 PM
A member of another forum I participate in posted a link to this article.  An interesting read, in a perverse sort of way.

For all of you truthers out there.
For everybody else, it will either make you laugh, or piss you off.
Before you get too worked up, consider the source. (Look at the other topics discussed there)

Shocking Ingredients Found In Beer! (http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/shocking-ingredients-found-in-beer/)
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: guido on July 27, 2013, 06:30:04 PM
Yawn.  Life is gonna kill you.  Might as  well end it all now while you're ahead.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 27, 2013, 07:40:25 PM
I am shocked!
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: morticaixavier on July 27, 2013, 07:59:19 PM
I'm a little shocked that guiness is using HFCS. regardless of the validity of health claims around the product I think it's kind of a bummer that such a classic gateway beer is headed down the cheap ingredients path.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: narvin on July 27, 2013, 11:06:02 PM
Fish bladders???  What, are they trying to make their crappy mass produced beer taste like traditional cask ale?

 
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: dordway29 on July 28, 2013, 12:15:59 AM
The author makes a lot assumptions and alters information. A number of these things are used by your local craft breweries (and homebrewers). This person obviously doesn't understand brewing and is just trying to create a controversy.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: a10t2 on July 28, 2013, 12:34:41 AM
Classic... Thanks for the laugh.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: paul on July 28, 2013, 01:40:05 AM
I luv me some beaver anus bitter.

 :D
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Post by: fatdogale on July 28, 2013, 02:02:11 AM
I luv me some beaver anus bitter.

 :D

I LOL'd
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: bboy9000 on July 28, 2013, 03:41:01 AM
Good to know German beer doesn't cause hangovers  ;). If only I had this information when I was in college.

Also, +1 for beaver anus.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: jamminbrew on July 28, 2013, 03:55:44 AM
I luv me some beaver anus bitter.

 :D
I need to put my beer down, get a towel, and clean the spit beer off my screen!
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: micah h on July 28, 2013, 04:20:14 AM
I luv me some beaver anus bitter.

 :D
I need to put my beer down, get a towel, and clean the spit beer off my screen!

It can be used to make raspberry and strawberry flavors in candy and soft drinks. So I really do love the stuff, any one is welcome to my lemon and orange Star-bursts, but leave me the beaver anus flavored ones.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: paul on July 28, 2013, 04:35:51 AM
I wonder about the first person who decided that beaver anal gland secretions tasted more like raspberries than raspberries do.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: micah h on July 28, 2013, 04:49:14 AM
I wonder about the first person who decided that beaver anal gland secretions tasted more like raspberries than raspberries do.

I imagine it was a lot like me and my friends camping. Gutting a fish and daring each other to eat random organs. Then some one says "Wow a fish heart tastes like blueberries." So in short a drunk person discovered what beaver glands taste like.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: Slowbrew on July 28, 2013, 12:13:57 PM
The author wasn't very thorough.  They completely missed the largest  and most dangerous ingredient in beer.  That is, dihydrogen-oxide.  That stuff kills lots of people every year.   ;D

Paul
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 28, 2013, 01:19:03 PM
The author of that article might be shocked to find that the following can be used under the Reinheitsgebot to make "pure" beers.

Slaked lime to remove alkalinity.
PVPP. A plastic to clarify.
Isinglass to clarify, if the beer is filtered (From Kai's page).

If it can be proved the material is not in the finished beer, it can be used.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: majorvices on July 28, 2013, 01:22:56 PM
Fears of GMO and HFCS are over hyped IMO.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: majorvices on July 28, 2013, 01:26:02 PM
Went back and reread the article. The author claims Guinness uses HFCS but what is his source? As far as that goes, Pepsi is made by martians. It's true, you read it here. folks.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: Jimmy K on July 28, 2013, 01:32:34 PM
And isinglass is made from SWIM bladders, they contain air to regulate buoyancy and have nothing to do with waste. As far as trying to generate alarm goes, i think that's a big distinction.

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Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: Jimmy K on July 28, 2013, 01:33:49 PM
And why would guinness use simple sugars? To lighten the body of their 3% beer?

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Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: philm63 on July 28, 2013, 01:57:46 PM
Fears of GMO and HFCS are over hyped IMO.
The author makes a lot assumptions and alters information. A number of these things are used by your local craft breweries (and homebrewers). This person obviously doesn't understand brewing and is just trying to create a controversy.

Yeah, what they said. Oh, and the author has some problems with basic grammar, too. It's hard to read something that is supposed to inform when the writer is obviously an idio.. er uh, uninformed.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: gymrat on July 28, 2013, 02:52:45 PM
Wouldn't raspberries be easier to pluck, and more readily available than beaver anuses? Thereby being cheaper? And, has anybody ever seen a beaver running around without a bung hole?
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: a10t2 on July 28, 2013, 03:25:39 PM
I'm picturing thousands of beavers lined up in stalls like cows, while pumps collect their anal secretions...
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: BrewingRover on July 28, 2013, 03:40:25 PM
And why would guinness use simple sugars? To lighten the body of their 3% beer?

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Here's the original blog post, which is just reposted in the link Carl has. She quotes an email from Guinness in the comments that says they use HFCS. I still don't believe it, as it doesn't make any sense to add it to the stout.
http://foodbabe.com/2013/07/17/the-shocking-ingredients-in-beer/comment-page-7/#comment-165760
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 28, 2013, 04:06:14 PM
And why would guinness use simple sugars? To lighten the body of their 3% beer?

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Here's the original blog post, which is just reposted in the link Carl has. She quotes an email from Guinness in the comments that says they use HFCS. I still don't believe it, as it doesn't make any sense to add it to the stout.
http://foodbabe.com/2013/07/17/the-shocking-ingredients-in-beer/comment-page-7/#comment-165760
Maybe in Harp?
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: HoosierBrew on July 28, 2013, 04:12:01 PM
I'm picturing thousands of beavers lined up in stalls like cows, while pumps collect their anal secretions...
My gut hurts from laughing.  That's easily the most bizarre, disturbing beer story of all time.  Just the same, I think I might settle for the second best raspberry flavor, ie., raspberries.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: joe_feist on July 28, 2013, 05:04:23 PM
Well, she seems to have got this much right "With cheap beer – you are not just getting a cheap buzz, you are getting the worst of the worst." Ok.

After that, it just seems to be a mindless rant. Isinglass has been around how long? It and gelatin are pretty natural ingredients, I would think. The beaver anus doesn't make much sense to me. I remember years and years ago Wendy's fighting off some story that they used earth worms in their burger versus the 100% beef they claimed. Turned out earthworms are incredibly expensive compared to beef; so, it just doesn't make sense. Now, I don't claim to know the going rate for a beaver anus, but I'll bet actual berries are cheaper.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: narvin on July 28, 2013, 05:57:31 PM
I hear they throw feces all over your organic vegetables  :o
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: punatic on July 28, 2013, 08:25:53 PM
The author wasn't very thorough.  They completely missed the largest  and most dangerous ingredient in beer.  That is, dihydrogen-oxide.  That stuff kills lots of people every year.   ;D

Paul

Not to mention that hydrogen hydroxide is the major component in ALL beers!  Oh the humanity!


I hear they throw feces all over your organic vegetables  :o

Yes, but it is ORGANIC feces!


And include me in with the who gives a sh!te about GMO and HFCS heretics.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: Bret on July 28, 2013, 08:29:49 PM
I'm picturing thousands of beavers lined up in stalls like cows, while pumps collect their anal secretions...
;D
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: narvin on July 28, 2013, 08:59:02 PM
I hear they throw feces all over your organic vegetables  :o

Yes, but it is ORGANIC feces!


Just wait till GMO feces comes out.  You'll have to pay Monsanto on a per-crap basis!
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: Slowbrew on July 28, 2013, 11:18:57 PM
This seems like the same people caused the current out breaks of measles, mumps and rubella schools are currently dealing with.  They rallied around the cry that vaccines cause autism (in some tiny unquantifiable % of cases) and now a large number kids are coming down with diseases we had almost beaten.

What most of these people need to see is what life was like before we started to take control of parts of our environment.  I don't think they would be as concerned with a little alcohol and fish air bladder if they had hunt in the woods for meat, wonder the hills looking for greens and their life expectancy was 43 years.

Reminds of when Rush sang:

 "He's got a problem with his poisons
 But you know he'll find a cure
 He's cleaning up his systems
 To keep his nature pure"

We will find the balance but it takes time.

RDWHAHB.

Paul
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: fmader on July 29, 2013, 12:04:52 AM
I love the question... "Is beer healthy?" Umm, yeah, I don't know about you, but I'm not drinking beer for nutritional value.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: reverseapachemaster on July 29, 2013, 02:28:10 AM
Gelatin, fish bladder and beaver ass juice are a problem if you are vegetarian because they are all animal byproducts.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: Jimmy K on July 29, 2013, 03:03:12 AM
Gelatin, fish bladder and beaver ass juice are a problem if you are vegetarian because they are all animal byproducts.
First two yes. If collecting the third (that should be number two right?) doesn't kill the beaver then it's just like milk.
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Post by: erockrph on July 29, 2013, 03:07:25 AM
I dunno, if I search for "beaver anus" I don't find anything about raspberries...
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: klickitat jim on July 29, 2013, 03:10:24 AM
Make certain you set the Google search filter to moderate first
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: micah h on July 29, 2013, 05:46:58 AM
Need I put forth anymore evidence.
(http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4f74877cecad04486300001c-1200/ice-cream-beaver-anal-glands.jpg)
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: edvinjonsson on July 29, 2013, 07:18:43 AM
I dunno, if I search for "beaver anus" I don't find anything about raspberries...

I really though it was a joke.  :-\
http://lifeinaskillet.com/2012/05/castoreum/
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: Slowbrew on July 29, 2013, 12:09:27 PM
I dunno, if I search for "beaver anus" I don't find anything about raspberries...

I really though it was a joke.  :-\
http://lifeinaskillet.com/2012/05/castoreum/

I'm not so sure she really did much fact checking.  "It was used in medicine well into the 18th century, when castor oil – so named to take advantage of castoreum’s popularity – took over in popularity. Small wonder that sometime over the last 2000 years or more someone wondered would happen if you added it to food . . ."

Isn't castor oil pressed from the castor seed?  The pulp can be used to make Risin.

Me thinks she is misapplying the similarity of the name.  YMMV

Paul
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: Jimmy K on July 29, 2013, 12:44:51 PM

Isn't castor oil pressed from the castor seed?  The pulp can be used to make Risin.

True, though that doesn't preclude the possibility that both were named after the beaver's castor sac.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: reverseapachemaster on July 29, 2013, 02:17:53 PM
Gelatin, fish bladder and beaver ass juice are a problem if you are vegetarian because they are all animal byproducts.
First two yes. If collecting the third (that should be number two right?) doesn't kill the beaver then it's just like milk.

But not all vegetarians consume animal byproducts, even those that do not require killing animals. Some vegetarians are almost vegans but are not quite as strict (e.g. they may wear leather but not eat meat or any animal byproducts) so for them, like vegans, all animal byproducts are off the table.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: tcanova on July 29, 2013, 05:49:35 PM
Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!!   :D
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Post by: thetooth on July 29, 2013, 09:07:10 PM
Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!!   :D

Does that mean I should start referring to vegetarians as "Grass-Fed Soylent Green"?  LOL
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: Slowbrew on July 29, 2013, 10:08:48 PM
Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!!   :D

But Soylent is just a bunch of chemicals.  http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/drink-soylent-and-youll-never-have-to-eat-again

Paul
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: punatic on July 29, 2013, 10:36:05 PM
Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!!   :D

But Soylent is just a bunch of chemicals.  http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/drink-soylent-and-youll-never-have-to-eat-again

Paul

Yeah but it tastes just like  Tasty Wheat! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1EcrD5IyxM)
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: Joe Sr. on July 30, 2013, 04:36:28 PM
Gelatin, fish bladder and beaver ass juice are a problem if you are vegetarian because they are all animal byproducts.

I am not a vegetarian.  I have a problem with beaver ass juice being used in my food.  Actually, it's got nothing to do with the beaver.  Any ass juice in my food is verboten.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: narvin on July 30, 2013, 05:43:44 PM
Well, I guess you don't want any of this then:  http://www.dailytech.com/Japanese+Make+Delicious+Nourishing+Steaks+From+Human+Feces/article21932.htm
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: a10t2 on July 30, 2013, 08:35:19 PM
Any ass juice in my food is verboten.

See, that's where you lose me, because honey is delicious.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: Joe Sr. on July 30, 2013, 08:56:51 PM
Any ass juice in my food is verboten.

See, that's where you lose me, because honey is delicious.

Is honey not regurgitated as opposed to shat out?

Maybe "mammalian ass juice" would be more precise, but I can't think of anything passed in that way that I care to ingest.  I also have no desire to seek out Kopi Luwak coffee, though if someone brewed a cup I might could be tempted...
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: erockrph on July 30, 2013, 10:57:49 PM
I also have no desire to seek out pay for Kopi Luwak coffee, though if someone brewed a cup I might could be tempted...

edited to reflect my thoughts on said topic
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: hopfenundmalz on July 31, 2013, 12:53:57 AM
Any ass juice in my food is verboten.

See, that's where you lose me, because honey is delicious.

Is honey not regurgitated as opposed to shat out?

Maybe "mammalian ass juice" would be more precise, but I can't think of anything passed in that way that I care to ingest.  I also have no desire to seek out Kopi Luwak coffee, though if someone brewed a cup I might could be tempted...

The bees regurgitate, and use their wings to dehydrate it.
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: klickitat jim on July 31, 2013, 12:57:12 AM
Is alcohol a secretion?
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Post by: BrewingRover on July 31, 2013, 02:45:36 AM
Is alcohol a secretion?
I've been wondering if anyone's told the blogger about the teeming micro-organisms that produce alcohol!
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: punatic on July 31, 2013, 02:49:45 AM
Is alcohol a secretion?
I've been wondering if anyone's told the blogger about the teeming micro-organisms that produce alcohol!

Judging from her tone in the article, I'm certain she is familiar with yeast infections.   :P
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: Delo on July 31, 2013, 01:39:48 PM


I also have no desire to seek out pay for Kopi Luwak coffee, though if someone brewed a cup I might could be tempted...

edited to reflect my thoughts on said topic
Im pretty sure people will eat/drink anything. 
Imagine a natural raspberry flavored version of this coffee. It would be chock full o something.

Edited because I missed this post
Title: Re: The "Truth" About Commercial Beer.
Post by: erockrph on July 31, 2013, 06:30:59 PM
It would be chock full o something.

Chock Full O' Butts?