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Title: House IPA search, round three
Post by: klickitat jim on August 08, 2013, 04:09:19 AM
Getting closer to what I want. #2 turned out very similar to Mirror Pond but more body and bite. I'm bumping the bitter  hops tomorrow and changing from cascade for late addition

IPA Try #3
9# Washington select
2# Munich
1# crystal 10
154° mash
2oz Simcoe FWH
1oz Amarillo 10min
1oz Mosaic 10min
WY1056 restarted 67°

1oz Amarillo 2oz Mosaic dry hop 6 days in keg

Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: coastsidemike on August 08, 2013, 04:56:51 AM
That looks really, really tasty.  Mind if I ask why 1# of crystal 10 - color, flavor?  Mosaic is crazy good; the hop schedule as is looks great.

Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: philm63 on August 08, 2013, 10:26:58 AM
@ klickitat jim - What is your typical BU/GU on your IPAs? Do you use that ratio to track the movement of the bitterness up or down, or do you just add hops until it tastes right? Mine are right around 1.200-ish (BeerSmith using Tinseth) and while I personally think that's pretty high, I could still see a little more bitterness as being welcome in my IPAs.
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: deepsouth on August 08, 2013, 01:20:43 PM
i love your hop profile.  i don't see you you could possibly go wrong.

btw, i have your bottle.  i'll be sending it along soon.
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: Three on August 08, 2013, 02:00:10 PM
That looks like it will be a tasty brew. 

Is there a certain IPA that you are trying get close to?  Or are you going for one you will call your own?

I have recently started investigating the IPA trail here as well and have been sampling as many different ones my local liquor store has and also look anything different when traveling to different parts of the country.  West coast, midwest, east coast.  Quite the variance and ALL good.  It's not so easy picking one favorite.

Time for some small batch experimentation......
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: morticaixavier on August 08, 2013, 02:41:48 PM
@ klickitat jim - What is your typical BU/GU on your IPAs? Do you use that ratio to track the movement of the bitterness up or down, or do you just add hops until it tastes right? Mine are right around 1.200-ish (BeerSmith using Tinseth) and while I personally think that's pretty high, I could still see a little more bitterness as being welcome in my IPAs.

If you have a BU:GU ratio that high and your still looking for a little more bitterness you could try bumping your sulfate up way way high. like 250-300ppm
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: klickitat jim on August 08, 2013, 02:48:13 PM
That looks really, really tasty.  Mind if I ask why 1# of crystal 10 - color, flavor?  Mosaic is crazy good; the hop schedule as is looks great.

Good question, I like the taste of it. It might be getting lost behind the Munich but oh well.
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: klickitat jim on August 08, 2013, 02:54:09 PM
That looks like it will be a tasty brew. 

Is there a certain IPA that you are trying get close to?  Or are you going for one you will call your own?

I have recently started investigating the IPA trail here as well and have been sampling as many different ones my local liquor store has and also look anything different when traveling to different parts of the country.  West coast, midwest, east coast.  Quite the variance and ALL good.  It's not so easy picking one favorite.

Time for some small batch experimentation......

Not trying to clone per se, just design my own house recipe. I'll still be playing around but I want good IPA, APA, and Blonde recipes that are worth repeating.
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: klickitat jim on August 08, 2013, 03:01:12 PM
@ klickitat jim - What is your typical BU/GU on your IPAs? Do you use that ratio to track the movement of the bitterness up or down, or do you just add hops until it tastes right? Mine are right around 1.200-ish (BeerSmith using Tinseth) and while I personally think that's pretty high, I could still see a little more bitterness as being welcome in my IPAs.

I note the target OG and ibu but I brew by taste. I'm not into water fixes but mort is probably spot on for you.

BTW I calculate my FWH as a 20 minute. Read that somewhere once, but no doubt it's debatable.
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: klickitat jim on August 08, 2013, 03:07:31 PM
i love your hop profile.  i don't see you you could possibly go wrong.

btw, i have your bottle.  i'll be sending it along soon.

No rush but cool, thanks
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: klickitat jim on August 08, 2013, 03:10:53 PM
Mosaic is crazy good; the hop schedule as is looks great.

Ya, I bought a pound and a half of mosaic pellets anticipating that I am approaching IPA nirvana
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: Three on August 08, 2013, 03:20:18 PM
Not trying to clone per se, just design my own house recipe. I'll still be playing around but I want good IPA, APA, and Blonde recipes that are worth repeating.

Here, here on that.  "Inspired by" brewing.  Very nice.
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: denny on August 08, 2013, 03:38:49 PM
@ klickitat jim - What is your typical BU/GU on your IPAs? Do you use that ratio to track the movement of the bitterness up or down, or do you just add hops until it tastes right? Mine are right around 1.200-ish (BeerSmith using Tinseth) and while I personally think that's pretty high, I could still see a little more bitterness as being welcome in my IPAs.

If you have a BU:GU ratio that high and your still looking for a little more bitterness you could try bumping your sulfate up way way high. like 250-300ppm

THIS^^^^  Try it the easy empirical way to see if you like it...add 1-2 tsp. of gypsum to the kettle.
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on August 08, 2013, 04:01:41 PM
I'm bumping the bitter  hops tomorrow and changing from cascade for late addition

What about the beer are you trying to change from the last batch?
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: klickitat jim on August 08, 2013, 04:25:24 PM
I'm bumping the bitter  hops tomorrow and changing from cascade for late addition

What about the beer are you trying to change from the last batch?

The last batch had plenty of malt so I cut from 3# Munich to 2. It was too common on hop flavor aroma so I dropped the cascade and went Amarillo mosaic. Bitter was getting close so I added a half oz of Simcoe
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: klickitat jim on August 08, 2013, 04:30:52 PM
@ klickitat jim - What is your typical BU/GU on your IPAs? Do you use that ratio to track the movement of the bitterness up or down, or do you just add hops until it tastes right? Mine are right around 1.200-ish (BeerSmith using Tinseth) and while I personally think that's pretty high, I could still see a little more bitterness as being welcome in my IPAs.

If you have a BU:GU ratio that high and your still looking for a little more bitterness you could try bumping your sulfate up way way high. like 250-300ppm

THIS^^^^  Try it the easy empirical way to see if you like it...add 1-2 tsp. of gypsum to the kettle.
Might pick some up at lhbs next trip. Unless they have it at hardware store lol
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: bluesman on August 08, 2013, 04:34:09 PM
@ klickitat jim - What is your typical BU/GU on your IPAs? Do you use that ratio to track the movement of the bitterness up or down, or do you just add hops until it tastes right? Mine are right around 1.200-ish (BeerSmith using Tinseth) and while I personally think that's pretty high, I could still see a little more bitterness as being welcome in my IPAs.

If you have a BU:GU ratio that high and your still looking for a little more bitterness you could try bumping your sulfate up way way high. like 250-300ppm

THIS^^^^  Try it the easy empirical way to see if you like it...add 1-2 tsp. of gypsum to the kettle.

+1

Calcium and sulphate are both helpful for not only the hop character/bitterness, but also calcium is needed for a healthy fermentation. Calcium can aide in beer clarity as well.
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: morticaixavier on August 08, 2013, 04:36:34 PM
@ klickitat jim - What is your typical BU/GU on your IPAs? Do you use that ratio to track the movement of the bitterness up or down, or do you just add hops until it tastes right? Mine are right around 1.200-ish (BeerSmith using Tinseth) and while I personally think that's pretty high, I could still see a little more bitterness as being welcome in my IPAs.

If you have a BU:GU ratio that high and your still looking for a little more bitterness you could try bumping your sulfate up way way high. like 250-300ppm

THIS^^^^  Try it the easy empirical way to see if you like it...add 1-2 tsp. of gypsum to the kettle.

Or you can even dose the beer with gypsum in the glass to experiment with levels.
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: klickitat jim on August 08, 2013, 06:03:38 PM
@ klickitat jim - What is your typical BU/GU on your IPAs? Do you use that ratio to track the movement of the bitterness up or down, or do you just add hops until it tastes right? Mine are right around 1.200-ish

Sitting here waiting for mash time...
By my calculation this should be 56pts with 71ibu or about 1:1.26
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: denny on August 08, 2013, 06:15:59 PM
@ klickitat jim - What is your typical BU/GU on your IPAs? Do you use that ratio to track the movement of the bitterness up or down, or do you just add hops until it tastes right? Mine are right around 1.200-ish

Sitting here waiting for mash time...
By my calculation this should be 56pts with 71ibu or about 1:1.26

FYI, it's usually referred to as BU:GU, so in that format your ratio would be 1.26:1.
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: klickitat jim on August 08, 2013, 06:32:41 PM
Ahha I'll remember that
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: klickitat jim on September 11, 2013, 09:31:23 PM
Finalized this finally
End result is in the ball park of what I wanted. Nose is citrus and mango, front is a bite of fresh mango that mellows to carmely malt, and right at the end there's a grapefruit burst that makes you want to do it again.
Numbers are 7%, 100, 12.

Washington Select, Munich and Crystal
Simcoe, Cascade, and Mosaic
Wy1056
Title: Re: House IPA search, round three
Post by: HoosierBrew on September 11, 2013, 09:58:42 PM
Sounds good man !  Simple and good. I'm with Denny - simplicity is the way to go, except for when it isn't.