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Title: All Zythos
Post by: fmader on August 17, 2013, 02:45:57 PM
I know Zythos has been touch on a bit here but not for awhile. I have had a pound in the freezer for some time now, and I can't ever fit it into a recipe. I know it's a hop blend. Has anybody ever brewed an all Zythos IPA? I was thinking maybe going crazy and using the whole pound in an IPA.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: majorvices on August 17, 2013, 02:50:10 PM
I'm about to brew an all zythos IIPA on Monday. I can let you know in about 3 weeks. ;)
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: fmader on August 17, 2013, 02:54:26 PM
That would be dandy... Mine would be  a handful of brews out.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: HoosierBrew on August 17, 2013, 03:42:07 PM
I love Zythos - I bet it's killer. Never done it but I would.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: vista on August 18, 2013, 01:35:27 AM
Did a zythos pale several months ago. Single gallon. I wish I made a 5 gallon
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: fmader on August 20, 2013, 03:05:12 PM
I'm about to brew an all zythos IIPA on Monday. I can let you know in about 3 weeks. ;)

How'd the brew go?
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: cheshirecat on August 20, 2013, 03:16:17 PM
While not an all Zythos IPA, I did do a Zythos/Mosaic IPA a few months ago (with Magnum for bittering). Hands down the best IPA I have ever made.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: In The Sand on August 20, 2013, 03:30:15 PM

I know Zythos has been touch on a bit here but not for awhile. I have had a pound in the freezer for some time now, and I can't ever fit it into a recipe. I know it's a hop blend. Has anybody ever brewed an all Zythos IPA? I was thinking maybe going crazy and using the whole pound in an IPA.

A buddy did an all Zythos all Munich IPA that turned out awesome.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: djsanta on August 20, 2013, 04:20:20 PM
I've recently had a few beers that were heavy on the Zythos.  It plays nice with C hops, if you wanna do a blend, but would probably stand up nicely on it's own.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: morticaixavier on August 20, 2013, 05:39:06 PM
I've recently had a few beers that were heavy on the Zythos.  It plays nice with C hops, if you wanna do a blend, but would probably stand up nicely on it's own.

it's already a blend no need to blend your own unless you want to.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: fmader on August 20, 2013, 05:53:44 PM
I've recently had a few beers that were heavy on the Zythos.  It plays nice with C hops, if you wanna do a blend, but would probably stand up nicely on it's own.

it's already a blend no need to blend your own unless you want to.

Beat me to it
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: majorvices on August 20, 2013, 06:18:17 PM
I'm about to brew an all zythos IIPA on Monday. I can let you know in about 3 weeks. ;)

How'd the brew go?

Went well. Smelled awesome!
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: gman23 on August 20, 2013, 06:21:47 PM
I did what was supposed to be an all Munich/Zythos APA. Overshot my gravity and didn't account for the maltiness of an all Munich beer so the hop character was lacking. The few impressions that I took away is that this is hop blend I would like to use more in the future. I would like to attempt the same beer at some point and adjust the recipe accordingly.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: fmader on August 20, 2013, 08:59:54 PM
I did what was supposed to be an all Munich/Zythos APA. Overshot my gravity and didn't account for the maltiness of an all Munich beer so the hop character was lacking. The few impressions that I took away is that this is hop blend I would like to use more in the future. I would like to attempt the same beer at some point and adjust the recipe accordingly.

Yeah... I'm probably not going to go with an all Munich IPA. There's not much that I dislike more is when I purchase a new IPA and the malt outweighs the hops
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: gman23 on August 20, 2013, 09:10:00 PM
I did what was supposed to be an all Munich/Zythos APA. Overshot my gravity and didn't account for the maltiness of an all Munich beer so the hop character was lacking. The few impressions that I took away is that this is hop blend I would like to use more in the future. I would like to attempt the same beer at some point and adjust the recipe accordingly.

Yeah... I'm probably not going to go with an all Munich IPA. There's not much that I dislike more is when I purchase a new IPA and the malt outweighs the hops

Yep that was a good lesson for me. It was my first time doing an all-munich beer and I learned quite a lot. I probably needed a couple more ounces in there to get was I was going for. The resulting beer was actually very good and kind of like an American Amber.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: HoosierBrew on August 20, 2013, 09:56:10 PM
I did what was supposed to be an all Munich/Zythos APA. Overshot my gravity and didn't account for the maltiness of an all Munich beer so the hop character was lacking. The few impressions that I took away is that this is hop blend I would like to use more in the future. I would like to attempt the same beer at some point and adjust the recipe accordingly.

Yeah... I'm probably not going to go with an all Munich IPA. There's not much that I dislike more is when I purchase a new IPA and the malt outweighs the hops
+1.  Exactly.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: erockrph on August 21, 2013, 03:31:32 AM
I did what was supposed to be an all Munich/Zythos APA. Overshot my gravity and didn't account for the maltiness of an all Munich beer so the hop character was lacking. The few impressions that I took away is that this is hop blend I would like to use more in the future. I would like to attempt the same beer at some point and adjust the recipe accordingly.

Yeah... I'm probably not going to go with an all Munich IPA. There's not much that I dislike more is when I purchase a new IPA and the malt outweighs the hops

I do enjoy a bit of Munich in my IPA's, but once you start pushing the 20-30% range you hit a point where the beer starts to become balanced too far towards the malty side.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: fmader on August 21, 2013, 12:12:44 PM
Ok since we're on the topic...
I've always used crystals my IPAs and pale ales. I picked up 10 lbs of light Munich. I want to try and sub out the crystals. I don't mind crystals but I want to expand the horizons. What percentage of Munich would be ideal? 10%? I don't want a whole lot of malt taste. Basically for body and color. Thought about trying Maris Otter for 1/3 to 1/2 the bill too.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: In The Sand on August 21, 2013, 12:20:52 PM

Ok since we're on the topic...
I've always used crystals my IPAs and pale ales. I picked up 10 lbs of light Munich. I want to try and sub out the crystals. I don't mind crystals but I want to expand the horizons. What percentage of Munich would be ideal? 10%? I don't want a whole lot of malt taste. Basically for body and color. Thought about trying Maris Otter for 1/3 to 1/2 the bill too.

That depends on what you're looking for. Also, depends on your IBUs as to whether or not you'll taste it. I have found that when using unfamiliar malts I will do the nano-mash experiment at different percentages and try to imagine what that'd taste like with hops. The experiment is outlined a couple of issues of Zymurgy ago.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: HoosierBrew on August 21, 2013, 12:57:37 PM
I use 10-20% Munich (usually closer to 10%) and no more than 5% Crystal in my IPAs, along with 2-row.  Makes a nice malt base yet doesn't compete with the hops.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: fmader on August 21, 2013, 04:16:41 PM
I use 10-20% Munich (usually closer to 10%) and no more than 5% Crystal in my IPAs, along with 2-row.  Makes a nice malt base yet doesn't compete with the hops.

Thanks, Jon. I think we share similar expectations in an IPA, so this works for me. So I'll try 10% Munich and add max, 5% crystal. What degree crystal do you use...40L, 20L?

I high jacked my own thread lol... Owell, good stuff
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: HoosierBrew on August 21, 2013, 04:24:59 PM
I use 10-20% Munich (usually closer to 10%) and no more than 5% Crystal in my IPAs, along with 2-row.  Makes a nice malt base yet doesn't compete with the hops.

Thanks, Jon. I think we share similar expectations in an IPA, so this works for me. So I'll try 10% Munich and add max, 5% crystal. What degree crystal do you use...40L, 20L?

I high jacked my own thread lol... Owell, good stuff
Generally 40L or 60L in IPA.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: erockrph on August 21, 2013, 05:10:59 PM
My standard IPA recipe is 75% 2-row, 20% Munich and 5% Victory. I'm not a fan of Crystal malt in my IPA's, so I've gravitated towards this combo for my malt bill. It also helps that I grew up on Harpoon IPA, and this is pretty close to the malt bill that they use.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: klickitat jim on August 21, 2013, 07:05:32 PM
All tasters choice. I've done 20% crystal and I've done 20% Munich with no other changes. To me the crystal version seems more carmel and what I would expect in the PNW. The Munich version is more toasty and no carmel, what I would expect from across the pond.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: fmader on August 24, 2013, 07:19:56 PM
I'm thinking about this hop schedule... all additions to be Zythos...

FWH - 3 oz
60 min - 3 oz
0 min - 5 oz
Dry hop - 5 oz

I'm not sure what the IBUs end up being and really not concerned.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: vista on August 25, 2013, 01:07:37 AM
I'm thinking about this hop schedule... all additions to be Zythos...

FWH - 3 oz
60 min - 3 oz
0 min - 5 oz
Dry hop - 5 oz

I'm not sure what the IBUs end up being and really not concerned.

Assuming a one gallon batch?
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: klickitat jim on August 25, 2013, 01:23:50 AM
I would go with a "balanced" recipe of equal portions grain and hops
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: fmader on August 25, 2013, 02:18:25 AM
I'll probably go with a 1.070 OG. I've been trying to push the threshold of hops lately. I've not yet overdone it yet in my book.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: HoosierBrew on August 25, 2013, 02:25:31 AM
Was that for 5 gallons Frank?
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: fmader on August 25, 2013, 03:52:15 AM
Was that for 5 gallons Frank?

Yeah
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: narcout on August 25, 2013, 05:17:13 PM
I'm going to give this a shot as well; I just bought a pound.

Tentatively thinking:

91% 2-row
7% English dark crystal
2% cara-pils


3 oz. - 60 min
2 oz. - 10 min
2 oz. - 5 min
2 oz. - 0 min
2 oz. - dry hop

US-05
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: HoosierBrew on August 25, 2013, 05:47:26 PM
Was that for 5 gallons Frank?

Yeah
Love the flameout and dry amounts Frank. Even a 30 minute hopstand with those flameout hops would bring a ton of flavor.  With the 3 oz of FWH I might back the 60 min addition to 2 oz though.  Otherwise looks great to me !
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: fmader on August 25, 2013, 06:24:18 PM
Was that for 5 gallons Frank?

Yeah
Love the flameout and dry amounts Frank. Even a 30 minute hopstand with those flameout hops would bring a ton of flavor.  With the 3 oz of FWH I might back the 60 min addition to 2 oz though.  Otherwise looks great to me !

Hmmm... I'm going to need to fit that 1 oz in there someone... That way I can still call it "The Pounder" lol
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: jeffy on August 25, 2013, 06:24:57 PM
Was that for 5 gallons Frank?

Yeah
Love the flameout and dry amounts Frank. Even a 30 minute hopstand with those flameout hops would bring a ton of flavor.  With the 3 oz of FWH I might back the 60 min addition to 2 oz though.  Otherwise looks great to me !

Hmmm... I'm going to need to fit that 1 oz in there someone... That way I can still call it "The Pounder" lol
Easy.  More dry hops.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: klickitat jim on August 25, 2013, 06:59:09 PM
That much hops should give you plenty of foam maker. Pils kinda pointless
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: HoosierBrew on August 25, 2013, 07:33:32 PM
Was that for 5 gallons Frank?

Yeah
Love the flameout and dry amounts Frank. Even a 30 minute hopstand with those flameout hops would bring a ton of flavor.  With the 3 oz of FWH I might back the 60 min addition to 2 oz though.  Otherwise looks great to me !

Hmmm... I'm going to need to fit that 1 oz in there someone... That way I can still call it "The Pounder" lol
Easy.  More dry hops.
+1. Exactly.  You'll have more aroma and flavor, a little less harsh bitterness.  I dry hop 5 or 6 oz on IPAs regularly.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: fmader on August 25, 2013, 07:59:24 PM
Was that for 5 gallons Frank?

Yeah
Love the flameout and dry amounts Frank. Even a 30 minute hopstand with those flameout hops would bring a ton of flavor.  With the 3 oz of FWH I might back the 60 min addition to 2 oz though.  Otherwise looks great to me !

Hmmm... I'm going to need to fit that 1 oz in there someone... That way I can still call it "The Pounder" lol
Easy.  More dry hops.
+1. Exactly.  You'll have more aroma and flavor, a little less harsh bitterness.  I dry hop 5 or 6 oz on IPAs regularly.

Gotcha... Though I love flavor and aroma, I'm also a fan of the "harsh bitterness." I feel that gives an IPA backbone. I'll figure out exactly how I want to arrange the hops better. I threw this schedule together in the time it took me to type it lol. This brew isn't up for awhile, because I want to use 007 yeast with this one. I have to make it to the LHBS to get it. I have a plan for a hop combo IPA that showcases Meridian Friday, then I'll have a pumpkin beer, and winter warmer to get brewed first. So we're at least a month out for this one. As always, thanks for everybody's input!
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: garc_mall on August 31, 2013, 05:42:09 PM
I did an APA along these lines, with 1oz zythos @FWH, 1/2 oz each of Zythos, Cascade, and Citra at both 5 and 0 with a 30 minute hopstand. I used my standard 70% 2-row 30% munich, mash at 156. It was one of my favorite APA's, but it really needed a dry-hop addition. Unfortunately I was too busy to throw some hops in (it spent 4 weeks in primary, and then right into a keg, where it sat for 2 weeks before I could drink it).

If I were to make this into an IPA, I would drop the munich down to 15-20%, and maybe add a bit of sugar to dry it out some more. Obviously I would also add more hops.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: narcout on September 28, 2013, 05:25:43 PM
Well, I'm finally getting around to brewing this today.  Did anyone else give it a shot yet?
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: fmader on September 28, 2013, 05:43:19 PM
Nope... I've been on/going to be through October a brewing hiatus.. So I'll be looking forward to hearing your results by the time I get to this.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: majorvices on September 28, 2013, 05:51:33 PM
Well, the one I brewed turned out fair. One caveat is it was a contract brew and not my recipe. It seemed to have a lot of tropical fruits in the hop character and some other interesting hop flavors that I'm not sure how to describe. I should pop in the "brew pub" that I brewed it for and try it again as I didn't really spend very much time with it.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: narcout on October 28, 2013, 12:56:29 AM
I just tapped the keg of Zythos IPA, and I'm pretty happy with it.

It has a good hop aroma, great hop flavor, and a nice sharp bitterness.  It's a little citrusy, a little fruity, and a little piney. I think it is a successful blend.  If I brewed it again, I might pair it with a more aggressive bittering hop to give it a stronger bite.

I have enough left over for another batch, but I'm going to throw in a little Chinook.

I'm thinking an American black ale.

10 lbs. 2-row
1 lb. English dark crystal
.35 lbs. Carafa II
.35 lbs. English chocolate malt
2 oz. Zythos at 60 min.
1 oz. Chinook at 20 min.
1 oz. Zythos at 10 min.
1 oz. Zythos at 5 min.
1 oz. Zythos at flameout
1 oz. Zythos dryhop 
US-O5
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: fmader on January 21, 2014, 01:12:23 AM
I kegged this Friday and was able to taste it today.... Meh... I won't say that it's bad, but for a blend, I think it tastes rather one dimensional. It will be easy to drink and enjoyed, but I probably won't be buying anymore Zythos.
Title: Re: All Zythos
Post by: narcout on January 21, 2014, 09:29:58 PM
I have the American Black Ale referenced above on tap now, and it's pretty tasty.  Next time I'd probably throw in an other two ounces of Chinook though.