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Title: RIS recipe check!
Post by: bluesman on March 16, 2010, 12:34:29 AM
I'm planning to brew this beer on Sunday and thought I'd pass it by the jury. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Russian Imperial Stout 2010
Imperial Stout

Type: All Grain
Date: 3/21/2010
Batch Size: 5.50 gal
Brewer: Bluesman
Boil Size: 6.99 gal 
Boil Time: 120 min 
Brewhouse Efficiency: 65.00

Ingredients
 
21.00 lb Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 80.77 %
2.00 lb Brown Malt (65.0 SRM) Grain 7.69 %
1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 3.85 %
1.00 lb Victory Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 3.85 %
0.50 lb Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 1.92 %
0.50 lb Roasted Barley (300.0 SRM) Grain 1.92 %
2.00 oz Mt. Hood [5.10 %] (120 min) Hops 22.1 IBU
1.00 oz Centennial [11.20 %] (75 min) Hops 23.3 IBU
0.75 oz Magnum [14.20 %] (60 min) Hops 21.2 IBU
0.50 oz Zeus [16.40 %] (30 min) Hops 12.5 IBU
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [8.50 %] (30 min) Hops 13.0 IBU
1.00 oz Hallertauer [4.00 %] (5 min) Hops 1.6 IBU
1.00 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc 
5.50 gal Poland Spring (R) Water 
2 Pkgs SafAle US Ale (Fermentis #S-05) Yeast-Ale 

Beer Profile
 
Est Original Gravity: 1.113
Est Final Gravity: 1.021
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 12.13 %
Bitterness: 93.7 IBU
Est Color: 39.9 SRM 
 
Mash Profile
 
Single Infusion
60 min Mash In Add 32.50 qt of water at 162.5 F 151.0 F
10 min Sparge Add 16.00 qt of water at 207.6 F 168.0 F

 
 
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: roguejim on March 16, 2010, 10:21:35 AM
More roast barley, less brown malt?

That looks to me like an unnecessarily complicated hop schedule, too.  I hope your yeast can handle that gravity.  Will you be bottling this?  Just curious.
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: blatz on March 16, 2010, 01:39:03 PM
Ron, with that little roasted malt, you're going to have more of an imperial porter than a RIS.  You need a lot more roast to stand up to the load of malt you have in there.

Otherwise, the grist looks rather familiar  ;D ;)

5 min hallertau looks out of place.
don't think you'll get much out of separating the 60 and 75 min additions - I'd just combine them.

might want to use 3 packs of US-05 or use fresh slurry instead.
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: bluesman on March 16, 2010, 01:48:55 PM
On second thought, I think your right about the roast barley. I'll bump it up a notch and recalculate. The hop schedule is somewhat flexible at this point. I will probably tweek it a bit before Sunday.

and Paul your about right...I just checked Mr Malty. I need about 3.5 packs for this big boy.

Jury's still out on this one but getting closer.

Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: blatz on March 16, 2010, 01:56:29 PM
the roasted barley, black patent, and chocolate in mine total around 9% (off the top of my head).

also, don't forget as it ages those will mellow, so keep that in mind.
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: bluesman on March 16, 2010, 02:00:32 PM
the roasted barley, black patent, and chocolate in mine total around 9% (off the top of my head).

also, don't forget as it ages those will mellow, so keep that in mind.

Valid point taken. I definitely want to age this properly.



Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: redbeerman on March 17, 2010, 03:15:41 PM
the roasted barley, black patent, and chocolate in mine total around 9% (off the top of my head).

also, don't forget as it ages those will mellow, so keep that in mind.

Valid point taken. I definitely want to age this properly.

So far, I think mine's been aging a little over 3 months.  I plan on letting it go until next fall.  It will be next winters big beer.  I tried to model it after Old Rasputin.  Only time will tell.




Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: blatz on March 17, 2010, 03:19:05 PM
the roasted barley, black patent, and chocolate in mine total around 9% (off the top of my head).

also, don't forget as it ages those will mellow, so keep that in mind.

Valid point taken. I definitely want to age this properly.

So far, I think mine's been aging a little over 3 months.  I plan on letting it go until next fall.  It will be next winters big beer.  I tried to model it after Old Rasputin.  Only time will tell.


I take it by your post that Ron used your grist?

Got some 2 year aged going right now...yum..
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: redbeerman on March 17, 2010, 03:40:32 PM
His is similar, but a bit stronger.  I did not use any brown malt and I used crystal 80 instead of 120 and of course, quick oats. And no Victory either.  Actually it's nothing like mine. ;)  I only had two hop additions as well.  One bittering and one flavor.
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: bluesman on March 17, 2010, 04:27:13 PM
What efficiency did you guys (Paul and Jim) get on your latest batch?

I entered 65% for my brewhouse efficiency.

Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: blatz on March 17, 2010, 04:41:07 PM
68-69% actually - I always enter 65% as well - never hurts to lowball the big guys, IMO.

to give you some scale, I usually get 77-78%.
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: bluesman on March 17, 2010, 04:42:48 PM
68-69% actually - I always enter 65% as well - never hurts to lowball the big guys, IMO.

to give you some scale, I usually get 77-78%.

That's what I thought. Actually 69 is pretty good for a 100+ beer IMO. At least for single infusion+batch sparge technique.
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: redbeerman on March 17, 2010, 07:11:30 PM
I set mine for 65% for big >1.090 beers as well although my DIPA is ususally around 72-75%.  I attribute that to the cane sugar addition.
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: bluesman on March 17, 2010, 08:38:59 PM
I set mine for 65% for big >1.090 beers as well although my DIPA is ususally around 72-75%.  I attribute that to the cane sugar addition.

What was your actual efficiency for your RIS?
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: mikeypedersen on March 17, 2010, 09:17:48 PM

That's what I thought. Actually 69 is pretty good for a 100+ beer IMO. At least for single infusion+batch sparge technique.

Yeah......Maybe if you're using a blue mash-tun......   ;D
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: bluesman on March 18, 2010, 03:20:05 AM

That's what I thought. Actually 69 is pretty good for a 100+ beer IMO. At least for single infusion+batch sparge technique.

Yeah......Maybe if you're using a blue mash-tun......   ;D

Roger Dodger.  8)
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: redbeerman on March 18, 2010, 12:35:25 PM
I set mine for 65% for big >1.090 beers as well although my DIPA is ususally around 72-75%.  I attribute that to the cane sugar addition.

What was your actual efficiency for your RIS?

I think it was 65%, but it may have been 63%.  I don't have acces to that information at the moment.
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: tygo on March 18, 2010, 01:38:43 PM
How long are you planning to let this one age?
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: bluesman on March 18, 2010, 04:11:47 PM
I plan to age it for 1 year.
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: bluesman on March 23, 2010, 01:45:29 PM
I brewed my RIS yesterday and hit my target after a 3 hour boil. That's right 1.100 !!! It was the maiden voyage on the Brutus 10 as well. A great day!

Here it is...

Russian Imperial Stout 2010
Imperial Stout

 
Type: All Grain
Date: 3/22/2010
Batch Size: 6.0 gal
Brewer: Bluesman
Boil Size: 9.28 gal Asst Brewer:  
Boil Time: 180 min  Equipment: My Equipment  
  
Ingredients
 
Amount Item Type % or IBU
21.00 lb Pale Malt, Maris Otter (3.0 SRM) Grain 79.25 %
2.00 lb Brown Malt (65.0 SRM) Grain 7.55 %
1.00 lb Caramel/Crystal Malt -120L (120.0 SRM) Grain 3.77 %
1.00 lb Roasted Barley (300.0 SRM) Grain 3.77 %
1.00 lb Victory Malt (25.0 SRM) Grain 3.77 %
0.50 lb Chocolate Malt (350.0 SRM) Grain 1.89 %
2.00 oz Mt. Hood [5.10 %] (180 min) Hops 22.8 IBU
1.00 oz Centennial [11.20 %] (150 min) Hops 25.0 IBU
0.80 oz Magnum [14.20 %] (120 min) Hops 25.2 IBU
0.50 oz Zeus [16.40 %] (30 min) Hops 12.8 IBU
1.00 oz Amarillo Gold [9.30 %] (30 min) Hops 14.5 IBU
1.00 oz Hallertauer [4.00 %] (5 min) Hops 1.6 IBU
1 tsp  Irish Moss (Boil 15.0 min) Misc  
6.0 gal Poland Spring (R) Water  
1/2 Pkgs Nottingham (Danstar #-) Yeast-Ale  
2 Pkgs SafAle US Ale (Fermentis #S-05) Yeast-Ale  

 
Beer Profile
 
Measured Original Gravity: 1.100 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 9.74 %  Actual Alcohol by Vol: 10.51 %
Bitterness: 101.8 IBU
Est Color: 41.0 SRM
 
Mash Profile
 
Mash Name: Single Infusion, Full Body Total Grain Weight: 26.50 lb
Sparge Water: 0.00 gal Grain Temperature: 60.0 F
Sparge Temperature: 168.0 F TunTemperature: 72.0 F
Adjust Temp for Equipment: FALSE Mash PH: 5.4 PH
  
Single Infusion, Full Body Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 34.00 qt of water at 163.9 F 151.0 F
10 min Sparge Add 20.00 qt of water at 201.0 F 168.0 F

Mash Notes: Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).
Carbonation and Storage
 
I achieved 68% efficiency.
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: redbeerman on March 24, 2010, 04:36:56 PM
Ron, I'm thinking that as long as you plan on aging this beer, the Hallertaus at the end will be lost and even your flavor additions may be quite subdued and over come by the roastiness over time.  That being said, I'll bet it turns out pretty good and we'll have to trade bottles or have a tasting with a few commercial examples next fall like our soon to be annual Oktoberfest contest. ;D
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: blatz on March 24, 2010, 05:39:41 PM
he ain't gonna have all that much roastiness with 3.77% to overcome anything  ::)

looks really good Ron, just looks more like an Imperial Porter than a RIS to me.

edit: I just noticed the 1.9% of chocolate.  still not enough dark kilned malts for my tastes, but thought I'd point that out before someone argues with me over it  ;D
Title: Re: RIS recipe check!
Post by: bluesman on March 24, 2010, 06:42:25 PM
Thanks.

I was happy to hit 1.100 on this one. Hitting triple digits was one of goals as well as keeping the IBU/GU ratio 1:1. This will be a good one to set the bar with as far as roastiness goes... at least my personal bar.