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Title: 2 row vs. Pale malt
Post by: qm3k on September 06, 2013, 03:21:02 AM
Hi all,

My local homebrew shop has both 2 row malt and Pale malts. What are the difference between these, if any? Are they interchangeable?

Thanks!
Title: Re: 2 row vs. Pale malt
Post by: klickitat jim on September 06, 2013, 06:02:27 AM
Two row is the type of barley. As opposed to six row. Referring to how it grows. I think that most malt labeled as two row actually is pale.  In short, probably no diff between what they are calling two row or pale, unless it's specified
Title: Re: 2 row vs. Pale malt
Post by: Stevie on September 06, 2013, 01:30:11 PM
Many people use 2row and pale with no distinction. Great Western has a pale ale malt that is a hair darker and said to be like an American version of MO.

Edit - Fixed my crap grammar.
Title: Re: 2 row vs. Pale malt
Post by: erockrph on September 06, 2013, 02:50:45 PM
"2 row" and "pale malt" are typically used interchangeably. "Pale Ale malt" is different and generally sits between pale malt and Vienna on the darkness (and flavor) scale.
Title: Re: 2 row vs. Pale malt
Post by: blatz on September 06, 2013, 02:57:11 PM
I diagree with 'interchangeability".  they are not the same.  for example Rahr 2 row is about 1.8L-2.0L whereas their Pale Ale malt is 3-3.5L

the Rahr Pale Ale malt has a candy-like sweetness that I do not care for, and as such I always avoid the Pale Ale malt, opting for 2-row.

as was said, I believe that "pale ale malt" is typically a maltster's take on making some approximation of maris otter malt.  but when I want maris otter, I just buy maris otter, much better IME.
Title: Re: 2 row vs. Pale malt
Post by: denny on September 06, 2013, 03:43:36 PM
I diagree with 'interchangeability".  they are not the same.  for example Rahr 2 row is about 1.8L-2.0L whereas their Pale Ale malt is 3-3.5L

the Rahr Pale Ale malt has a candy-like sweetness that I do not care for, and as such I always avoid the Pale Ale malt, opting for 2-row.

as was said, I believe that "pale ale malt" is typically a maltster's take on making some approximation of maris otter malt.  but when I want maris otter, I just buy maris otter, much better IME.

I think everybody was saying that pale ale malt is different, but 2 row and pale are used interchangeably.
Title: Re: 2 row vs. Pale malt
Post by: cheshirecat on September 06, 2013, 03:47:03 PM
I diagree with 'interchangeability".  they are not the same.  for example Rahr 2 row is about 1.8L-2.0L whereas their Pale Ale malt is 3-3.5L

the Rahr Pale Ale malt has a candy-like sweetness that I do not care for, and as such I always avoid the Pale Ale malt, opting for 2-row.

I feel the same about Great Western's Northwest Pale malt, also has a slight sweetness that really sticks out. I didn't care for it all that much either.
Title: Re: 2 row vs. Pale malt
Post by: klickitat jim on September 06, 2013, 05:41:46 PM
My non expert point is that two row is a variety of barley and pale is color/flavor. Pale can be two or six row, but two row can be anything up to black. Having said that, I've found that usually malt sold as two row is pale.
Title: Re: 2 row vs. Pale malt
Post by: narvin on September 06, 2013, 05:53:10 PM
Even though one is a type of barley and another is a color, the terms are usually used to describe two differently kilned malts.

In America, what's typically sold as 2-row is a light malt around 2L, like Blatz mentioned.  It's not quite Pilsner malt, but it's close.  I think this was often called "Lager malt" in the past (thought it works great in ales).  Pale malt is typically a British or British-style malt that is 2.8-3.2L and is slightly more flavorful and often used in pale ales or other British styles (though it works just fine for most American ales as well).
Title: Re: 2 row vs. Pale malt
Post by: klickitat jim on September 06, 2013, 07:44:50 PM
Good stuff!
Its one of those things that drives me batty. Terminology, what it originally meant, what it technically means, what it has come to mean regionally. In my area if I order pale malt I get great western two row pale. If I order two row I get the same thing. You have to specify premium two row to get the light stuff. I've switched to Washington Select now for the local ingredients thing, plus no guess work on what shows up.