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Title: Resin
Post by: theoman on September 12, 2013, 11:19:14 AM
I often see resin used as a flavor descriptor for hops. I know the wine world uses it as well. What I'm wondering is, what's the point of reference? Bong water? How are we supposed to know what resin tastes like?
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: AmandaK on September 12, 2013, 11:58:11 AM
I use the word "resinous" occasionally on a score sheet. What I mean by that is that the hop aroma/flavor is so intense that it's almost like I'm holding the hop cone in my hand and getting all of the sticky resins from the inside of the cone into the beer. For me, this term usually accompanies other descriptors like "dank", "piney" or "citrusy".
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: cornershot on September 12, 2013, 12:05:37 PM
What about "dank"? Does this reefer to the precursor to bong water?
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: Jimmy K on September 12, 2013, 12:50:58 PM
What about "dank"? Does this reefer to the precursor to bong water?

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Title: Re: Resin
Post by: cornershot on September 12, 2013, 01:16:04 PM
Freudian suggestion
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: klickitat jim on September 12, 2013, 02:53:16 PM
My latest IPA isn't dank but it is chronic
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: Stevie on September 12, 2013, 03:05:02 PM
This is how I can look at it. Weed might be dank, but dank does not mean weed. Those living in older homes with basements in humid climates will know what I mean. Dank is musty10.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: cornershot on September 12, 2013, 04:28:10 PM
This is how I can look at it. Weed might be dank, but dank does not mean weed. Those living in older homes with basements in humid climates will know what I mean. Dank is musty10.

But a dank IPA is not musty.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: Jarhno on September 12, 2013, 04:43:15 PM
To use an old expression, this thread seems to have gone to pot.

But, I agree with AmandaK.

I use the word "resinous" occasionally on a score sheet. What I mean by that is that the hop aroma/flavor is so intense that it's almost like I'm holding the hop cone in my hand and getting all of the sticky resins from the inside of the cone into the beer. For me, this term usually accompanies other descriptors like "dank", "piney" or "citrusy".

+1.000
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: erockrph on September 12, 2013, 04:55:40 PM
To me "resinous" is sort of the flavor part of a strong bittering character. It's sort of like licking pine sap as opposed to the aromatics of freshly crushed pine needles or juniper berries. It's sort of the same character, but resin is a bit more abrasive and clings to the tongue, while piney is more fleeting.

And when I use the term "dank" I am definitely referring to cannabis. The wet basement thing is more "musty" to me. I get that more from Brett than I do with hops.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: AmandaK on September 12, 2013, 05:01:17 PM
To me "resinous" is sort of the flavor part of a strong bittering character. It's sort of like licking pine sap as opposed to the aromatics of freshly crushed pine needles or juniper berries. It's sort of the same character, but resin is a bit more abrasive and clings to the tongue, while piney is more fleeting.

Agreed.

What about "dank"? Does this reefer to the precursor to bong water?

I see what you did there.  ;)

And when I use the term "dank" I am definitely referring to cannabis. The wet basement thing is more "musty" to me. I get that more from Brett than I do with hops.

Same here - I use "dank" to refer to the fresh buds, not the bong water. Totally different.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: klickitat jim on September 12, 2013, 05:36:13 PM
Dank is a contraction missing an apostrophe. D`ank meaning Dude that is rANK.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on September 12, 2013, 05:54:55 PM
To me "resinous" is sort of the flavor part of a strong bittering character. It's sort of like licking pine sap as opposed to the aromatics of freshly crushed pine needles or juniper berries. It's sort of the same character, but resin is a bit more abrasive and clings to the tongue, while piney is more fleeting.

And when I use the term "dank" I am definitely referring to cannabis. The wet basement thing is more "musty" to me. I get that more from Brett than I do with hops.

I always thought of 'resinous' almost as a mouthfeel component. Its not the type of hop flavors, but the way they coat and stick to my palate.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: theoman on September 12, 2013, 06:51:22 PM
I always thought of 'resinous' almost as a mouthfeel component. Its not the type of hop flavors, but the way they coat and stick to my palate.

That would actually make sense to me. But it's usually used in reference to flavor.

I understand "piney" or "pine resin," but resin itself doesn't make much sense to me.

"Dank" makes me think of a feeling or atmosphere, not flavor.

So, what I get from this thread (besides that y'all are a bunch of stoners), is that "resin" and "dank" as flavor descriptors are ambiguous and therefore useless. If we can't think of something known and familiar to use as a reference, why make s*** up?
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: morticaixavier on September 12, 2013, 07:08:02 PM
I always thought of 'resinous' almost as a mouthfeel component. Its not the type of hop flavors, but the way they coat and stick to my palate.

That would actually make sense to me. But it's usually used in reference to flavor.

I understand "piney" or "pine resin," but resin itself doesn't make much sense to me.

"Dank" makes me think of a feeling or atmosphere, not flavor.

So, what I get from this thread (besides that y'all are a bunch of stoners), is that "resin" and "dank" as flavor descriptors are ambiguous and therefore useless. If we can't think of something known and familiar to use as a reference, why make s*** up?

I would put Dank solidly in the 'smelling slightly like cat pee' area with simcoe and good indica/sativa hybrids.

Resinous is a combination of tooth coating oily/tarry mouthfeel with pine resin/turpentine like flavours/aromas. This goes with retsina (big surprise) strong fatty fish like salmon (particularly when smoked), cascade hops, yarrow, oregano, and classic Single strain indica.

then you get fruity/juicy like lot's of the new NZ hops, actual fruit, and single strain sativa.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: cornershot on September 12, 2013, 07:32:09 PM
I always thought of 'resinous' almost as a mouthfeel component. Its not the type of hop flavors, but the way they coat and stick to my palate.

That would actually make sense to me. But it's usually used in reference to flavor.

I understand "piney" or "pine resin," but resin itself doesn't make much sense to me.

"Dank" makes me think of a feeling or atmosphere, not flavor.

So, what I get from this thread (besides that y'all are a bunch of stoners), is that "resin" and "dank" as flavor descriptors are ambiguous and therefore useless. If we can't think of something known and familiar to use as a reference, why make s*** up?

I don't think it's ambiguous. Sensory descriptors come from sensory memory which comes from sensory experience. "Dank" is a very common sensory descriptor in the craft beer community, usually spoken with a wink and a nod and generally understood. Go figure. Shouldn't be too surprising considering the similar bouquets of hops' evil cousin.

What should really come as a surprise from this thread...

To me "resinous" is sort of the flavor part of a strong bittering character. It's sort of like licking pine sap as opposed to the aromatics of freshly crushed pine needles or juniper berries. It's sort of the same character, but resin is a bit more abrasive and clings to the tongue, while piney is more fleeting.

And when I use the term "dank" I am definitely referring to cannabis. The wet basement thing is more "musty" to me. I get that more from Brett than I do with hops.

Some people actually lick pine sap!
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: klickitat jim on September 12, 2013, 07:53:18 PM
 hops' evil cousin.

Blackberries?
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: HoosierBrew on September 12, 2013, 08:04:01 PM
I don't see any ambiguity whatsoever.  I take "resiny" to mean the intense, long lasting, oily hop character (from Columbus primarily) that coats the tongue, reminiscent of cannabis (or so I've heard ;)).  Works for me.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: narvin on September 12, 2013, 09:03:56 PM
It makes me think of sticky tree sap.  I'd say "sappy" but people might think I'm talking about the Hello Kitty beer.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: ynotbrusum on September 12, 2013, 10:03:30 PM
Resin is exactly the word used by several folks to describe my Spruce beer made with fresh spring spruce tips in place of hops.  Kind of a wet hop approach using spruce tips instead.  Pretty resiny, for sure.  Not necessarily really dank, I don't think, but maybe a little....
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: fmader on September 12, 2013, 10:05:31 PM
Drink Six-Point Resin.... That beer is resinous... And delicious!
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: HoosierBrew on September 12, 2013, 11:33:00 PM
Drink Six-Point Resin.... That beer is resinous... And delicious!
I bought some a couple months ago.  I got the freshest 4-pack they had.  Loved it.  Lives up to its name.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: fmader on September 13, 2013, 12:31:14 AM
Drink Six-Point Resin.... That beer is resinous... And delicious!
I bought some a couple months ago.  I got the freshest 4-pack they had.  Loved it.  Lives up to its name.

Oddly enough, I haven't looked up the hop profile (I might now). I had it on tap locally... Amazing
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: theoman on September 13, 2013, 01:00:11 PM
I don't see any ambiguity whatsoever.  I take "resiny" to mean...

I'm not sure if you're serious or if this is meant to be a joke. If it's a joke, I like it. If you're serious, look up "ambiguous."  ;)
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: Jimmy K on September 13, 2013, 02:17:25 PM
I don't see any ambiguity whatsoever.  I take "resiny" to mean...

I'm not sure if you're serious or if this is meant to be a joke. If it's a joke, I like it. If you're serious, look up "ambiguous."  ;)
I'm confused, that description sounded fairly specific to me?
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: tomsawyer on September 13, 2013, 02:25:50 PM
Another more descriptive term for dank is "cat pee".  And thats a wine term as well, often used to describe a complex sauvignon blanc.  Its a compound related to the ones that taste/smell like grapefruit.

While these dank hops are all the rage, or at least last year's rage, I tend to prefer the brighter citrus of a Centennial or Sorachi Ace.  If I use dank hops in a blend I try and keep it to a level that just gives a hint.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: cornershot on September 13, 2013, 03:01:25 PM
To me cascade hops=cat pee, but I don't consider cascades to be dank.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: erockrph on September 13, 2013, 03:06:37 PM
Another more descriptive term for dank is "cat pee".  And thats a wine term as well, often used to describe a complex sauvignon blanc.  Its a compound related to the ones that taste/smell like grapefruit.

While these dank hops are all the rage, or at least last year's rage, I tend to prefer the brighter citrus of a Centennial or Sorachi Ace.  If I use dank hops in a blend I try and keep it to a level that just gives a hint.

Yeah, I'm going in the fruit bomb direction myself with my hoppy beers. I tend to either use a small amount of a dank hop for balance, or just using a hop that is fruit-forward with background notes of dank (Nelson, Mosaic, etc.).

What should really come as a surprise from this thread...

To me "resinous" is sort of the flavor part of a strong bittering character. It's sort of like licking pine sap as opposed to the aromatics of freshly crushed pine needles or juniper berries. It's sort of the same character, but resin is a bit more abrasive and clings to the tongue, while piney is more fleeting.

And when I use the term "dank" I am definitely referring to cannabis. The wet basement thing is more "musty" to me. I get that more from Brett than I do with hops.

Some people actually lick pine sap!

I wouldn't go out of my way to lick it, but it's impossible to get it all off your hands. I've spent my fair share of time fighting with Christmas trees, or clearing branches to set up a hunting stand. I also use pine oil as a cover scent, so I've spent many an afternoon in/under a tree eating Clif bars with pine oil and/or sap all over my hands.

Plus, smell and taste are so intertwined that you can use a taste descriptor even if you've only smelled it. Otherwise I hear a lot of people throwing around cat pee as a descriptor here. I don't know how they clean their litter boxes, but I think they're doing it wrong!
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: HoosierBrew on September 13, 2013, 03:21:48 PM
I don't see any ambiguity whatsoever.  I take "resiny" to mean...

I'm not sure if you're serious or if this is meant to be a joke. If it's a joke, I like it. If you're serious, look up "ambiguous."  ;)
I understand fully the meaning of the word, thanks.  For some time the word dank has come to mean sticky and cannabis-like among many home and craft brewers as it applies to some hops.  But much like we don't pitch yeast like a baseball or mash grain like mashed potatoes, some words, ambiguous or no, take on a specific context within a field.  Why you chose this as your line in the sand is past me. Rock on !
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: theoman on September 13, 2013, 04:08:55 PM
I don't see any ambiguity whatsoever.  I take "resiny" to mean...

I'm not sure if you're serious or if this is meant to be a joke. If it's a joke, I like it. If you're serious, look up "ambiguous."  ;)
I understand fully the meaning of the word, thanks.  For some time the word dank has come to mean sticky and cannabis-like among many home and craft brewers as it applies to some hops.  But much like we don't pitch yeast like a baseball or mash grain like mashed potatoes, some words, ambiguous or no, take on a specific context within a field.  Why you chose this as your line in the sand is past me. Rock on !

It's different. When somebody is telling me they're mashing their grain or mashing their potatoes, I know exactly what they're talking about. When I read that a beer tastes like resin, it could mean a number of things (as this thread proves) even though the context is clear, so I generally ignore it. So why bother? There's gotta be something better.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: cornershot on September 13, 2013, 04:12:09 PM
Bazinga!!!
I bet cat pee tastes nothing like it smells. Probably tastes like swiss cheese, only sweeter.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: Joe Sr. on September 13, 2013, 04:25:48 PM
As far as I'm concerned, both "resinous" and "dank" are broad terms that convey a sense of weight.  I would expect thicker, heavier flavors from a beer described this way.  Almost viscous.

I had Resin last weekend (albeit at the end of a long session so my recollections are not necessarily crystal clear) and it was a sippin' beer, not one you would quaff.  Heavier, viscous.

While there may be ambiguity on the specific flavors you might expect to taste, I think both are more broad descriptors of the overall impression of the beer.  I wouldn't expect a light, bright, fruity beer if someone said it was resinous.

Also, a fruity beer could be grapefruit, lemon, etc.  Fruity being the broad descriptor of a whole range of flavors.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: bluesman on September 13, 2013, 04:41:05 PM
I like to refer to resinous to the hop character in beers similar to Hop-Stoopid or Ruin 10. Lingering bitter, hoppy, sometimes spicy hop character. Long lasting in the finish and sometimes enjoyable if balanced properly.
Title: Re: Resin
Post by: tomsawyer on September 13, 2013, 07:11:45 PM
What about Stone Best By?  I thought it was pretty dang dank.