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Title: Corned Beef!
Post by: majorvices on March 16, 2010, 10:45:28 pm
OK - how do you do it? I just picked my brisket from the store and am going to cook it in the crock pot tomorrow. Too late for anything else, especially since I am taking the kids out all day tomorrow and will get back just in time to cook my cabbage. But I would love to have a look see at some of ya'll recipes for next time!
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: capozzoli on March 16, 2010, 11:37:14 pm
You have to buy or either make up a batch of curing salt. Make up a brine with the curing salt and a mixture of pickling spice, then soak the brisket for a week or two in the brine.

After it is done curing rinse it and retain the pickling spice for cooking. Some people put it in a bouquet garni bag.

I like making it with potatoes and carrots or other veg as well as the cabbage.

Here is some trivia: Few, if any actual Irish immigrants have ever tasted this terrible dish before coming to the US.

 Interesting.

Its easy to surmise that this dish comes from Ireland on account of its awfulness. Cause most everything from Ireland is awful. But it is American, made even more American by lazy Americans putting it in a crock pot. Blech. 

I think it is funny how some Americans claim to be Irish. Come on. If you were not born in Ireland then you are not Irish. Just like if you were not born in Africa you are not African.

Yeah, Im Italian, Im in the mafia too.  :D

Happy St. Patrick's Day!!!


Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: majorvices on March 17, 2010, 12:27:14 am
LOL. So, you like making it but it is an awful dish? Corned beef and cabbage (f'ing obvious you need potatoes and carrots (and onions and mushrooms and garlic) ... come'on man!!), even in the crock pot, is an AWESOME dish. In fact - I can't wait for tomorrow night. Good stuff, all around. Capp - you need to post some of your homebrew recipes so I can make fun of them.  :P :D ;)
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: capozzoli on March 17, 2010, 12:40:12 am
What home brew recipes? I just throw a bunch of stuff in a pot and boil it.  ::) Ill get better at that though, Like cooking it is an art and takes time.

Im learning from the best. ;)

I like corned beef and cabbage. Its one of those things that is awful..awful good.  Besides, how else would I celebrate my Irish heritage?

Sounds like you have it down, not sure there are any other variations.

Throw in a generous amount of celery seed.
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: majorvices on March 17, 2010, 01:06:03 am
Celery seed - thats what I'm looking for. Thanks bud!  :)
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: nicneufeld on March 17, 2010, 02:05:56 am
smoke it smoke it smoke it!!!!!!!!

Rub that thing down with prodigious amounts of black pepper, along with some coriander and garlic.  Then stick it in the smoker.  It's not a perfect pastrami but it certainly beats the boiled cabbage rendition most corned beef gets subjected to.

Serve with good mustard, pickles, and rye.
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: nicneufeld on March 17, 2010, 02:07:18 am
Here is some trivia: Few, if any actual Irish immigrants have ever tasted this terrible dish before coming to the US.

I gather it was a gift from the Jews of NY to the Irish American immigrants...leg of lamb and proper Irish back bacon aren't as easy to come by stateside!
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: Hokerer on March 17, 2010, 02:08:16 am
LOL. So, you like making it but it is an awful dish? Corned beef and cabbage (f'ing obvious you need potatoes and carrots (and onions and mushrooms and garlic) ... come'on man!!), even in the crock pot, is an AWESOME dish. In fact - I can't wait for tomorrow night. Good stuff, all around. Capp - you need to post some of your homebrew recipes so I can make fun of them.  :P :D ;)

Lucky me - the wife jumped the gun so I had the corned beef and cabbage for dinner tonight.  Of course made as described above
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: majorvices on March 17, 2010, 12:27:37 pm
I love pastrami but I'm not making that. I'm making corned beer and cabbage in my crock pot. My mom used to make it with canned corned beef and simply boil that with cabbage and some how or another I once thought that was good. ;)

I actually love cabbage and boiled cabbage is pretty good if you don't turn it to mush. What I have been doing is boiling my cabbage separately with some pepper corns and serving in along side.
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: narvin on March 17, 2010, 02:05:00 pm
Corned beef was a major export of County Cork in Ireland through the 1800s.  Here's some more info on the history and pickling process:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2153/how-do-you-corn-beef


As for people in America claiming to be Irish, I think by that they mean Irish-American.  Many of the ethnic enclaves where immigrants settled had far different culture and traditions than the rest of America, so why not identify with the area where these people came from? 

Frankly, you'll also see differences in the diets and traditions of the immigrants versus the people who stayed in Europe because those who decided to come to America were often poorer or lower class.  So if someone in Europe tells you they've never had some fatty organ-meat dish that your grandmother used to make you, tell them to stick it up their upper-class ass!
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: tubercle on March 17, 2010, 02:11:59 pm
Tubercle used to claim he was Irish. I found out my ancestors came to the New World in 1697 :o so I believe I can claim to be just a plain ol' American now ;D even though my last name is one of the "O' " types.

 I love cabbage in any form. Boiled with onion is just fine but fried in an iron skillet with bacon grease is heavenly.
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: majorvices on March 17, 2010, 02:16:13 pm
So, along the same lines I was thinking about adding my potatoes and carrots about half way through the total cook time to keep them from getting mushy. I wonder if anyone knows how long small red potatoes take to cook in a slow cooker? 4 hours enough?
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: bluesman on March 17, 2010, 02:45:16 pm
What home brew recipes? I just throw a bunch of stuff in a pot and boil it.  ::) Ill get better at that though, Like cooking it is an art and takes time.

Im learning from the best. ;)

I like corned beef and cabbage. Its one of those things that is awful..awful good.  Besides, how else would I celebrate my Irish heritage?

Sounds like you have it down, not sure there are any other variations.

Throw in a generous amount of celery seed.

This one probably fits into the "peasant food " category.
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: bluesman on March 17, 2010, 02:46:47 pm
smoke it smoke it smoke it!!!!!!!!

Rub that thing down with prodigious amounts of black pepper, along with some coriander and garlic.  Then stick it in the smoker.  It's not a perfect pastrami but it certainly beats the boiled cabbage rendition most corned beef gets subjected to.

Serve with good mustard, pickles, and rye.

+1000

Smoke it!
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: majorvices on March 17, 2010, 03:05:45 pm
Like I said, I'm not smoking one today. And if I was going to fire up the smoker it would be for a Boston Butt.  ;)
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: Hokerer on March 17, 2010, 04:37:14 pm
I wonder if anyone knows how long small red potatoes take to cook in a slow cooker? 4 hours enough?

Wifey used the small red ones in the CB&C yesterday and they were in for the whole time and could have used a little bit more.  Next time, she's planning on cutting them at least in half.
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: bluesman on March 17, 2010, 04:46:17 pm
So, along the same lines I was thinking about adding my potatoes and carrots about half way through the total cook time to keep them from getting mushy. I wonder if anyone knows how long small red potatoes take to cook in a slow cooker? 4 hours enough?

On low yes but on high even less. It also depends on how big the potato pieces are that your cooking. The smaller the pieces the less cooking time required. Check them with a fork...if they're fork tender they're done. Basically time and temperature. Boy...I bet the Capster is stewing right about now with all of this slow cooker talk.  :D
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: majorvices on March 17, 2010, 05:13:43 pm
Boy...I bet the Capster is stewing right about now with all of this slow cooker talk.  :D

That's basically why I posted this thread.  ;D
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: babalu87 on March 17, 2010, 07:26:32 pm
Pressure cooker FTW

About 45 minutes for the beef with some beer and spices
Turn off and let it settle down
Add cabbage, onion, potato and carrots
Cook another 15 minutes or so

drooling
Gonna kill the keg of Stout tonight too
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: Beertracker on March 18, 2010, 01:53:29 am
If you take one flat trimmed corned beef & slow cook it all night then add Yukon Gold potatoes, carrots, cabbage, sweet Vidalia onion & leeks with some secret country Irish spices thrown in for good measure... then it comes out something like this.   :D

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2784/4442333780_4c7cb3251c.jpg)  
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: nicneufeld on March 18, 2010, 02:13:48 am
Secret country Irish spices?  LOL!  You mean salt, and on special occasions pepper, right?

I'm a huge apologist for the cuisines of the British Isles, and but for a few imports for the colonies (mostly in England proper) their spices are about as basic as they get.  Which is part of the allure...nothing like good British (or Irish) food for showcasing the natural flavours of good meat and vegetables.
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: Beertracker on March 18, 2010, 02:40:31 am
Secret country Irish spices?  LOL!  You mean salt, and on special occasions pepper, right?

I'm a huge apologist for the cuisines of the British Isles, and but for a few imports for the colonies (mostly in England proper) their spices are about as basic as they get.  Which is part of the allure...nothing like good British (or Irish) food for showcasing the natural flavours of good meat and vegetables.

Ha! Ha! I was wondering if anyone would catch or comment on my "secret country Irish spices?"  Secret country Irish spices = cracked pepper & sea salt + the traditional pickling spices.  ;D
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: majorvices on March 18, 2010, 01:34:14 pm
If you take one flat trimmed corned beef & slow cook it all night then add Yukon Gold potatoes, carrots, cabbage, sweet Vidalia onion & leeks with some secret country Irish spices thrown in for good measure... then it comes out something like this.   :D

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2784/4442333780_4c7cb3251c.jpg)  

wait ... is that SPAM?  ;) ;D

Seriously, Corned beef does not photograph very well, does it. I mean - pink slap o' meat looks like pink slab o' meat. Mine turned out great through. I added chopped and sauteed onions and garlic in the beginning with the brisket and the corns and added tthe large onions, carrots, shrooms and taters about 3 hours later and they were all cooked perfectly come 6:ish.
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: capozzoli on March 18, 2010, 06:54:12 pm
In Ireland you will see a lot of dogs limping.

This is because people come home from work, take one look at dinner and then they kick the dog.
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: bluesman on March 18, 2010, 07:00:36 pm
In Ireland you will see a lot of dogs limping.

This is because people come home from work, take one look at dinner and then they kick the dog.

You have to know Capp to understand why I am ROFL.  :D

I knew we couldn't keep him away long enough.
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on March 20, 2010, 10:40:38 pm
My wife made this corned beef and cabbage on the 17th.  It was freaking great!  She also made some champ to go with it.  Mmmmm...

(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j137/mattschwandt/photo1.jpg)
(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j137/mattschwandt/photo-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: tubercle on March 20, 2010, 11:10:49 pm
Champ?
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: nicneufeld on March 21, 2010, 12:35:45 am
I assume its some sort of mashed root vegetable dish from the looks of it?

And a google search seems to agree:

http://cookery.newarchaeology.com/champ.php
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: capozzoli on March 21, 2010, 02:22:05 am
Its just mashed potatoes?

I wonder why they call it champ?
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on March 21, 2010, 12:10:35 pm
Champ?

Chive infused mashed potatoes.  You could use other green veggies instead of chives though (e.g., green onion, parsley, etc.).  Basically, the chives were infused into some hot milk for a few hours and then incorporated into the mashed potatoes.
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: nicneufeld on March 21, 2010, 01:16:41 pm
Champ?

CHive Infused Mashed Potatoes. 

That should be CHIMP then!  :D
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: capozzoli on March 21, 2010, 02:02:51 pm
Ah, the culinary wizardry of the Irish. It amazes me, it is dizzying the depth of creativity. .
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: Pawtucket Patriot on March 21, 2010, 04:11:13 pm
Champ?

CHive Infused Mashed Potatoes. 

That should be CHIMP then!  :D

Hahahaa...well done.   ;D
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: capozzoli on March 21, 2010, 08:22:25 pm
We make mashed potatoes with roasted garlic and onion sometimes. Just throw an onion and head of garlic in the oven till all roastylicious and then squeeze them out of their skins into the mash. Man are they good. I mostly like my mashed unfettered but the roasted one is my wife's fav. so we make that a lot.

Im gonna call my version GOIMP.
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: bluesman on March 22, 2010, 02:09:06 am
mmmm...Roasted Garlic Mashed Potatoes. Fantastic with corned beef!
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: babalu87 on March 22, 2010, 12:14:12 pm
Who made hash with the leftovers Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: majorvices on March 23, 2010, 01:05:17 pm
I was going to all the leftovers got eaten the next day. damn!
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: hamiltont on March 23, 2010, 03:50:18 pm
Who made hash with the leftovers Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Corned Beef & Hash with a couple of sunny side up fried eggs on top.  That's a Breakfast!!!! MMM, MMM, MMMMMM! ;D
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: babalu87 on March 23, 2010, 07:07:42 pm
Use the cabbage, carrots, everything.
I saute up a fresh onion, maybe a little garlic then add the cabbage and let it get wilted again.
Everything else in the pool and then its into a 375 degree oven until its all yummy, time will vary according to what your thoughts on yummy are :D

Over easy eggs and a splash of Jalapeno hot sauce

I might have it for dinner tonight  ;D , theres still some left
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: capozzoli on April 01, 2010, 09:40:39 pm
Ran into one of the pre-cured corned beef the other day at the store. It must have been a left over from St. patties day cause it was reduced in price from $10.50 to $3.00 We made the corn beef and cabbage the other night. eh. But today made the corn beef hash like babalu recommended only did it on the stove top.

Delicious! sunny side eggs on top was wonderful.

I chopped the corned beef in the food processed to small pieces before adding it to the pan with the potatoes.

Took a little of that chopped meat and added some mayonnaise, chopped onion, celery, paprika and a pinch of mustard. Mixed it into  corned beef salad for sandwiches. It is very good.

Ever heard the dish of corned beef and cabbage refereed to as "New England Boiled Dinner" ?
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: babalu87 on April 02, 2010, 06:35:25 pm
Ran into one of the pre-cured corned beef the other day at the store. It must have been a left over from St. patties day cause it was reduced in price from $10.50 to $3.00 We made the corn beef and cabbage the other night. eh. But today made the corn beef hash like babalu recommended only did it on the stove top.

Delicious! sunny side eggs on top was wonderful.

I chopped the corned beef in the food processed to small pieces before adding it to the pan with the potatoes.

Took a little of that chopped meat and added some mayonnaise, chopped onion, celery, paprika and a pinch of mustard. Mixed it into  corned beef salad for sandwiches. It is very good.

  Ever heard the dish of corned beef and cabbage refereed to as "New England Boiled Dinner" ?

Glad you liked it.
Its TREMENDOUS as leftovers the next day too.

Hell yeah

Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: capozzoli on April 02, 2010, 09:03:19 pm
It was indeed a good diner. I like the hash much better than the boiled dinner.

Made a bunch of corned beef salad club sandwiches for everyone at work today. They went nuts for them. They would be much better if the toast was right out of the toaster, instead of sitting in a cooler all morning. And better if they were with a beer instead of water.

 Is corned beef salad already invented?  really good anyways, kinda like home made deviled ham. 
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: nicneufeld on April 02, 2010, 10:15:07 pm
Is corned beef salad already invented?  really good anyways, kinda like home made deviled ham. 

Sorry dude!
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Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: capozzoli on April 06, 2010, 12:27:14 am
Yeah, to bad. There is one dish that is mine though. I call it sausage Capozzoli......not everyone wants it though.
Title: Re: Corned Beef!
Post by: bluesman on April 06, 2010, 02:10:59 am
ROFL

Smoked a beef bricuit today. Not quite corned beef but finger lickin' good. Homeade BBQ sauce on top!