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Title: Storing an empty keg
Post by: ppbrewclub on October 24, 2013, 02:14:45 PM
I know, I know.  Why is it empty?

While it sits empty is there a rec'd way to store it.  Options:

1.) Clean and dry, open on the top
2.) Clean and dry, closed lid
3.) Clean and dry, closed lid and CO2'd w/ 7-10 lbs (to make sure there is pressure when you goto use it again)
* 4.) Clean and dry keep Sani'd 1/4% filled
5.) Stack em up, rinsed, till several are
6.) Other options?
Please fill in X and Y with your posts :tup:

Thanks gize

*Most popular, but all are ok.  Just make sure they are cleaned and sani'd before the next use
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: morticaixavier on October 24, 2013, 02:21:48 PM
I usually clean, sanitize, charge with co2 and leave them like that. although one often just stays full of sanitizer.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: kramerog on October 24, 2013, 02:24:06 PM
I usually do (1) with the keg upside down.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: theDarkSide on October 24, 2013, 02:35:24 PM
I also do #1 but not upside down.  I just rest the lid over the opening.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: tschmidlin on October 24, 2013, 03:08:38 PM
I do #1 with the keg upside down to keep dust out.  I have also done #3 with 12 psi on (because that is what the regulator is set to).  I always sanitize right before filling.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: denny on October 24, 2013, 03:27:15 PM
After my kegs are clean and dry, I hit them with about 10 psi.  If they're not still pressurized when I go to use them, I know they're leaky and need attention before use.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: Mark G on October 24, 2013, 03:52:13 PM
#3, for the reasons Denny stated. If it's still pressurized when I go to fill it, I know there are no leaks. I also sanitize right before filling.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: AmandaK on October 24, 2013, 04:16:11 PM
I store my kegs sanitized and pressurized. I rinse with a bit more sanitizer right before filling as well.

Now bottles, I store those upside down.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 24, 2013, 04:20:32 PM
#3 for me.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: passlaku on October 24, 2013, 04:27:20 PM
Is it bad to leave StarSan in the keg for long periods of time?  Say 2 weeks or a month?
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 24, 2013, 04:28:25 PM
I do what Mort does.  There's always a little bit of sanitizer left in them, so they're not dry.

I agree with Denny on charging them with some CO2 so you know if they're leaky when you go to fill them.

Even though they're stored sanitized they get fresh batch of sanitizer and a flush of CO2 before filling.

To be completely honest, though, sometimes they are "stored" just as they are when the keg kicks.  I tend to get lazy and will clean them when I need them or clean them in batches.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: bluesman on October 24, 2013, 04:37:56 PM
I typically rinse, PBW or Oxy soak, hot rinse, sanitize, purge/pressurize CO2 and store. As Denny stated, if the keg will hold pressure while in storage, it should maintain pressure during kegging/serving. I keep my kegs pressurized while in storage.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: klickitat jim on October 24, 2013, 04:56:31 PM
My routine is to clean, sanitize, fill with beer, drink beer, repeat. I only care about the time between step two and three.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: tcanova on October 24, 2013, 04:57:13 PM

To be completely honest, though, sometimes they are "stored" just as they are when the keg kicks.  I tend to get lazy and will clean them when I need them or clean them in batches.

Ha, now I don't feel so bad!  I don't normally clean mine until I need to refill.  Once they kick I just let them sit till I need to refill and then clean.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: tschmidlin on October 24, 2013, 04:59:12 PM
Yeah, I clean them in batches too, so a lot of times some of them are sitting around dirty.  I definitely store the dirty ones pressurized, it makes them easier to clean if everything stays a bit damp.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: Stevie on October 24, 2013, 05:09:28 PM
If I need to clean one keg, I clean all of my dirty kegs. I then store sanitized, with a bit of pressure, and a plastic bag over the top. I resanitize before filling.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: AmandaK on October 24, 2013, 05:09:47 PM

To be completely honest, though, sometimes they are "stored" just as they are when the keg kicks.  I tend to get lazy and will clean them when I need them or clean them in batches.

Ha, now I don't feel so bad!  I don't normally clean mine until I need to refill.  Once they kick I just let them sit till I need to refill and then clean.

Same here. The Keg Washer is a bit too much set up in an apartment for only one keg. We tag team the cleaning when 7-8 kegs get stacked up.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: Slowbrew on October 24, 2013, 06:16:27 PM
I clean in batches too.  I curretnly have 5 or 6 dirty kegs sitting by the deep sink.  Once I get around to cleaning them I will clean and rinse, run sanitizer through them and then pressurize them for storage.  The same as others have said and fro the same reasons.

The one difference is I don't resanitize before using them.  I probably should but never have.  I dump the little puddle of star san out before I fill them with beer but that's it.

Paul
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: garc_mall on October 24, 2013, 08:58:29 PM
I store them usually under pressure with about a gallon of Starsan. I pour the starsan in, put it under pressure, shake it all up, and let it sit. When its time to rack, I run some through the out tube (to sanitize the dip tube and tap) I shake it up again, and pour back out the starsan.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: leejoreilly on October 25, 2013, 02:08:25 PM
I store them usually under pressure with about a gallon of Starsan. I pour the starsan in, put it under pressure, shake it all up, and let it sit. When its time to rack, I run some through the out tube (to sanitize the dip tube and tap) I shake it up again, and pour back out the starsan.

My process, too. It also gives me a convenient source of Starsan to run through a dirty beer line or picnic tap.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: redbeerman on October 25, 2013, 03:11:02 PM
I typically rinse, PBW or Oxy soak, hot rinse, sanitize, purge/pressurize CO2 and store. As Denny stated, if the keg will hold pressure while in storage, it should maintain pressure during kegging/serving. I keep my kegs pressurized while in storage.

This is pretty much what I do.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: micsager on October 25, 2013, 03:22:45 PM
After my kegs are clean and dry, I hit them with about 10 psi.  If they're not still pressurized when I go to use them, I know they're leaky and need attention before use.

I do close tot hat, but I store with about 1/2 gallon water.  But, I'm with ya on the pressure, and if it ain't still pressurized, you know they need some attention.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: ppbrewclub on October 28, 2013, 01:08:45 PM
Great discussion gize...Thanks!
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: dkfick on October 28, 2013, 02:46:32 PM
I'm in the store with a small amount of sanitizer in them under pressure camp.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: thetooth on October 28, 2013, 07:40:34 PM
I typically rinse, PBW or Oxy soak, hot rinse, sanitize, purge/pressurize CO2 and store. As Denny stated, if the keg will hold pressure while in storage, it should maintain pressure during kegging/serving. I keep my kegs pressurized while in storage.

This is exactly what I do.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: dbarber on October 29, 2013, 12:45:12 PM
If I don't need them I will wait and clean several kegs at a time with PBW.  After they are clean, I sanitize and pressurize and store them that way.  They always get a fresh dose of sanitizer before filling.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: Roger Burns on November 29, 2013, 02:23:48 PM
FWIW, I clean in batches, too. I'll breakdown all kegs and clean with pbw, replace o-rings yearly, and fill one keg completely with StarSan. Then I push the StarSan through to the next cleaned keg, so there's no oxygen left in.  I store pressurized and upside down. I do not re-sanitize. I have 10 waiting for me right now...
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: narcout on November 29, 2013, 03:53:12 PM
I store kegs clean and dry with the lids on.  Keeping them filled with sanitizer seems like overkill to me.

Typically, I just rinse everything with hot water, but once every couple of cycles I'll give them an oxyclean soak.

Everything is sanitized before use with Iodophor.
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: brewsumore on December 15, 2013, 08:52:06 PM
I store my ball locks clean/sanitized/dry upright with lid on.  After reading this I might start storing pressurized.  I very lightly lube o-rings with keg lube and then re-sanitize the kegs with Star San before using.

I've tried cleaning cornies with Mark's keg washer, but went back to breaking them down and giving everything a good soak with PLC or PBW, via the bucket method.  I am going to head down to my basement now and use the keg washer to clean and sanitize a bunch of carboys that were only rinsed out, from wine making.  It works great for that!
Title: Re: Storing an empty keg
Post by: duxx on December 15, 2013, 09:14:45 PM
Like most of you I clean mine in batches and leave 5 or 6 ounces of Star San in them.  I haven't pressurized the empty kegs but that is a great idea!  I've got 4 or 5 already cleaned kegs. The next time I go down to the basement I think I will pressurize them.