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Title: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: blatz on November 29, 2013, 09:49:25 AM
Thoughts on this? just sort of taking a stab in the dark on the hop bill;

Black Rye Imperial IPA:

12gal
1.077 SG
8% ABV
80-85 IBUs

20% Malted Rye
5% English Medium Crystal
2-5% Briess Midnight Wheat
50-53% 2-row
20% Maris Otter

Apollo to bitter
15min 3oz each Simcoe and Galaxy
0min 2oz each Simcoe, Citra, Galaxy
Dryhop: 2oz Citra, 4oz Columbus, 2oz Simcoe

Was contemplating using El Dorado, Calypso or Mosaic in there, but trying to keep it at 4 varieties for the aroma and flavor hops.  Completely open to suggestions.
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: pinnah on November 29, 2013, 10:19:36 AM
That looks glorious. 8)

Love the grist.
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 29, 2013, 11:58:20 AM
Looks fantastic.  You'll have to post how it comes out.  I like to put a few oz of chocolate malt in a black IPA for a slight roastiness, but otherwise I wouldn't change a thing. Love the hops - Mosaic and some of the others are great but might be a little fruity for this beer ,so I think you nailed it.
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: erockrph on November 29, 2013, 12:10:42 PM
It may just be me, but the real tropical hops like Citra and Galaxy don't seem like a good fit in a Black IPA to my palate. But I've never tried it and the Simcoe and Columbus may be resinous enough to balance it. If it were me I'd probably use Mosaic and Apollo in place of the Citra and Galaxy, but that's my taste.
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: klickitat jim on November 29, 2013, 12:17:56 PM
Not trying to guide anyone, just my opinion. I tried making a black IPA once. If ever I did it again, I'd make a RIS with a couple ounces of dry hops, and call it BIPA.
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 29, 2013, 12:59:30 PM
It may just be me, but the real tropical hops like Citra and Galaxy don't seem like a good fit in a Black IPA to my palate. But I've never tried it and the Simcoe and Columbus may be resinous enough to balance it. If it were me I'd probably use Mosaic and Apollo in place of the Citra and Galaxy, but that's my taste.
I felt that having the big majority of the dry hops come from Simcoe and (especially) Columbus would be a strong balance to the Citra and Galaxy.  But you're right - the latter are fruity hops too. I think as intense as Simcoe and Columbus are as dry hops would make it work well though.
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: blatz on November 29, 2013, 04:31:53 PM
Id thought about that exact point -but that I was sort of thinking along the lines of what Jon said -  only one way to find out if it
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: redbeerman on December 03, 2013, 06:23:01 AM
So you're calling this one "Stab in the Dark" IPA?
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: blatz on December 03, 2013, 06:25:45 AM
So you're calling this one "Stab in the Dark" IPA?

Hey!  That's a good name
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: realbeerguy on December 03, 2013, 08:34:43 AM
Last year our club did a barrel project of Blk DIPA Rye.  Used Black prinz malt.  Came out great.
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: goschman on December 03, 2013, 11:49:20 AM
I didn't really care for most black IPAs until I tried Wookey Jack...

style
 Unfiltered Black Rye IPA
abv
 8.3%
ibu
 80
color
 45SRM
fermentation
 100% Stainless Steel
malts
 Pale Malt, Malted Rye, Dash of Cara-Rye, Midnight Wheat from Briess, De-Bittered Black Malt (Weyermann - Germany/Patagonia malting - Chile), Dash of Wookey dust
hops
 German Magnum (bittering), Citra & Amarillo (flavor/aroma and double dry-hopped)
availability
 22 oz bottle/draft (5.2g & 13.2g)
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: blatz on April 22, 2014, 11:12:40 AM
hey all - final update on this one (which I actually named Hops on Pumpernickel)

scored a 41.5 2 weekends ago, didn't medal, but that's ok - specialty category can be a bit tough these days - great comments - only suggestion was the one judge wanted to see more roast or chocolate character in the nose and flavor, but I disagree with him there as i feel I get a hint and that's all I am looking for.

I still have a couple gallons left and its tasting mighty nice. 
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on April 22, 2014, 02:37:07 PM
I am coming over Paul. I will "judge" a couple.


Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 22, 2014, 02:44:00 PM
Looking back, that recipe looks great, Paul. Did you stick with the original hop schedule? I remember you were trying to decide.
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: klickitat jim on April 22, 2014, 03:54:39 PM
Just heard an interview with Strong saying the new guidelines will have Specialty IPA broken down into Black, Belgian, and Rye; and Session, Standard, and Imperial for each.
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: Stevie on April 22, 2014, 03:56:28 PM
Imperial session IPA. Next year's "it" style. ;)
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: goschman on April 22, 2014, 04:45:02 PM
Imperial session IPA. Next year's "it" style. ;)

I won't be surprised if it's black session IPA
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: klickitat jim on April 22, 2014, 07:15:58 PM
I'm going to protest by brewing only Standard Old Average Pale Ales. SOAP Ale is going to be the new it thing one day, you just watch
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: realbeerguy on April 23, 2014, 07:46:33 AM
hey all - final update on this one (which I actually named Hops on Pumpernickel)

scored a 41.5 2 weekends ago, didn't medal, but that's ok - specialty category can be a bit tough these days - great comments - only suggestion was the one judge wanted to see more roast or chocolate character in the nose and flavor, but I disagree with him there as i feel I get a hint and that's all I am looking for.

I still have a couple gallons left and its tasting mighty nice.

Roast and/or chocolate should not be in the flavor profile of a Black DIPA.  Just the dark color.  That's why we used the Black Prinz in ours.
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: denny on April 23, 2014, 07:47:50 AM
Just heard an interview with Strong saying the new guidelines will have Specialty IPA broken down into Black, Belgian, and Rye; and Session, Standard, and Imperial for each.

That's gonna make it damn hard for me to b**** about those not being real styles.....
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: blatz on April 23, 2014, 07:54:17 AM
@ThirstyMonk - come on down!

Looking back, that recipe looks great, Paul. Did you stick with the original hop schedule? I remember you were trying to decide.

Jon - i am pretty sure I did - I will check my log tonight and will post back. 
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: Thirsty_Monk on April 23, 2014, 09:39:17 AM
Boarding the plane right now Paul.

Oh no I am filtering today. I just got carried away.


Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: beersk on April 23, 2014, 02:56:57 PM
Imperial session IPA. Next year's "it" style. ;)

I won't be surprised if it's black session IPA
I just brewed one last weekend :)  None More Black Light. haha.
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: blatz on April 24, 2014, 06:59:54 AM
Looking back, that recipe looks great, Paul. Did you stick with the original hop schedule? I remember you were trying to decide.

I checked last night and I did stick with the recipe as posted in the first post, with the exception of going 3oz simcoe, 3oz columbus and 2oz citra in the DH.

overshot my gravity a little, 1.080 but also finished higher than i intended at 1.018.   I would have preferred a lower finish - the rye already gives it a perception of a bigger body - i think 1.014 would have landed it nicely - next time will mash lower and longer I think. 
Title: Re: Black Rye Double IPA
Post by: sambates on April 27, 2014, 02:04:46 PM
I initially thought your hops would be a little fruity for this, but in consideration of the Rye's spiciness, you may strike the right balance and prevent it from being too fruity or too spicy. Good luck!