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Title: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on December 05, 2013, 02:41:31 AM
Anyone brewing for 2014 NHC yet?

Title: Re: NHC
Post by: morticaixavier on December 05, 2013, 05:10:19 AM
started thinking over my plans. not started brewing. this weekends brew might possibly be a first go, depending on how it turns out.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on December 05, 2013, 05:15:50 AM
That's where I'm at. Tomorrow's brew will be bottled and if it's stellar, and if I win a spot...
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: AmandaK on December 05, 2013, 12:58:13 PM
This year, I'm not sure I see much point in brewing specifically for something I might not even have a spot in. If I get in, great. I'll send what I have.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on December 05, 2013, 01:17:15 PM
I've been brewing since late summer for the competition.  I have a whole schedule laid out.  I guess I'll have plenty to choose from when (and if) I get a spot or two.  Planning on sending some into other comps too.

Not brewing anything for the conference, since it's halfway across the country and I don't think I'm driving out.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on December 05, 2013, 01:49:32 PM
3 lagers well underway.  Probably squeeze one more in next week.  Might make one ale just for the competition; any others will be part of normal brew plan. 

Due to uncertainty about getting any entries through a lottery process, my efforts are going to be about a third of what they were last year.

...it is what it is.  I can always focus on mead/cider if I get in.  Plenty of those lying around.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on December 05, 2013, 02:06:17 PM
If I get a spot(s) in the competition then I will send what I consider to be my best.

Will see what the club has spots for on club night, and the social club. We will concentrate on quality over quantity - the Golden Urinal has been retired, so the is no incentive to bring 100+ kegs.

This one is close to home, so any kegs can be driven. Had kegs at SD, Seattle, and Philly so need to keep the string going.  ;)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: thebigbaker on December 05, 2013, 02:33:32 PM
Not planning anything specific.  If i can get a spot, then I'll choose my best and send it it.  If I do, this will be the first time sending an entry in. 
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on December 05, 2013, 05:36:48 PM
Me too. Kinda exciting
I think the better word is "preparing" for NHC.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on December 06, 2013, 12:34:18 PM
I have a number of brews aging that I brewed right after I got home from the conference last year.  Worst case I don't get to enter them in the NHC and I have a bunch of good beer....
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: braufessor on December 12, 2013, 03:28:53 AM
Brewing some lagers in the next few weeks.  Other stuff I won't brew until january or even february probably.  Basically brewing for other competitions and if I happen to get "lucky" enough to send some in to NHC, I will.  Wish I could "plan" for it - but, too much about luck.  Be nice if they are just going towards "lottery" entry that they start doing it earlier..... that way people don't plan their brewing around something they can't even enter.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dbarber on December 13, 2013, 03:26:50 PM
I started my high gravity lagers and beer that need some aging in early fall.  IF I get in I will sample what's in the cellar and send whatever tastes best.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on December 13, 2013, 05:33:54 PM
I started my high gravity lagers and beer that need some aging in early fall.  IF I get in I will sample what's in the cellar and send whatever tastes best.

I think the defending Ninkasi and the other three Major Award winners should be the first people they reserve spots for.  I think you've earned the opportunity to defend your title.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dbarber on December 15, 2013, 04:14:59 PM
I started my high gravity lagers and beer that need some aging in early fall.  IF I get in I will sample what's in the cellar and send whatever tastes best.

I think the defending Ninkasi and the other three Major Award winners should be the first people they reserve spots for.  I think you've earned the opportunity to defend your title.

I would agree.  We'll just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on December 15, 2013, 04:41:17 PM
Not so sure I agree. This assumes that these victories are titles to be defended. In my opinion once you are a Ninkasi winner, you are a Ninkasi winner. No one can take that from you. Though I have no problem giving them slots. Maybe all past Ninkasi winners should be given a pass.
I really feel for the decision makers in this. Growth is tough to deal with. Hard to put a lid on without snuffing the fire.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on December 15, 2013, 05:16:57 PM
The rumor I heard was if you volunteered last year you get two slots and the rest is up for lottery.  This is only what I heard and may not have a basis in reality. 

It will sure be interesting to see how many people actually submit into the lottery, nobody has a clue how many people/entries there could be.

Edit: I'm always amazed at the number of people I hear each year that enter NHC as their 1st (and sometimes only) competition.  You can often get as good or better feedback from a smaller competition for a lot less money
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on December 15, 2013, 05:24:48 PM
Jim, past Ninkasi winners have defended. Curt Hausam won in 2002-3. Gordon Stong won 2008-9-10.
Jamil Zainascheff and Joe Formanek have 2 wins each, but not back to back.

I talked to Joe for a while last NHC, and we both agree it if harder to medal each year. So much good information and ingredients now, some are making award winning beer in short order.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on December 15, 2013, 05:38:13 PM
I guess I would use the word repeat. To me defend implies you are no longer a Ninkasi winner if you don't successfully defend. Its all good, never mind. Not important
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on December 15, 2013, 06:35:03 PM
I guess I would use the word repeat. To me defend implies you are no longer a Ninkasi winner if you don't successfully defend. Its all good, never mind. Not important

There was an NHC before there was a Ninkasi award. The big award then was Homebrewer of the year. That only takes on entry!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on December 15, 2013, 09:36:53 PM
Listening to Mr Gordon on Basic Brewing today. He said that during his Ninkasi rein he was submitting 30-40 beers. Now that there are going to be limits I suspect it will be very difficult to three-peat. Even if one is a stellar brew god, you won't be able to account for mishandling or judging mistakes. The field will be much more level it seems. I still think that volunteers and medalists should forego the lottery. But it will be what it will be, huh?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on December 16, 2013, 02:01:27 PM
I think this still is, and should be, the premier competition in the nation. It's the biggest and that's great, but it should also have the best brewers.  Yes, we want to be as inclusive as possible, but if someone who has proved themselves as one of the best brewers in the nation gets left out, something is wrong IMO.  The competition loses some legitimacy, but again, that's just my opinion.

I get what Jim is saying but it's just a mediocre word choice on my part.  I'd give everyone who has ever won one of those 4 awards entry spots, if they want them, for life.  This is the Masters and they should always be invited back...
The number would vary - I wouldn't increase limits - if everyone gets no more than 5 spots then even dbarber shouldn't get more than that. 

one-year guaranteed entries for volunteers from the previous year
lifetime guaranteed entries for winners of the 4 major awards.
maybe a single, one-year guaranteed entry for each medal winner?  I dunno. 

cheers--
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: macbrews on December 16, 2013, 02:49:11 PM
So when is this decision going to be made?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dbeechum on December 16, 2013, 04:08:48 PM
... This is the Masters...

And this is the challenge, because there's varying opinions about that.

To me, it's not. I think there should protection around the concept of "any given sunday" - to borrow a football reference.

The trick is finding a way to balance those two poles.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on December 16, 2013, 04:22:21 PM
Using the comparison to golf, it's not the masters it's the US Open. Unless you want to consider round one as the open and round two as the masters.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on December 16, 2013, 04:23:58 PM
... This is the Masters...

And this is the challenge, because there's varying opinions about that.

To me, it's not. I think there should protection around the concept of "any given sunday" - to borrow a football reference.

The trick is finding a way to balance those two poles.
That and they don't give out green jackets to the winner. :)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on December 16, 2013, 05:03:14 PM
I didn't expect everyone to agree with me, and i'm sure you're sick of hearing me spout off, so I'll drop that part. 


...but it sure would be nice to know when we're going to find out what the rules are.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on December 16, 2013, 05:14:27 PM
dawg, what I like about your views is the respect for the prestige of winning.

I think the the lottery will be sometime next month then they announce the entry limits.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: macbrews on December 16, 2013, 05:53:34 PM
I didn't expect everyone to agree with me, and i'm sure you're sick of hearing me spout off, so I'll drop that part. 


...but it sure would be nice to know when we're going to find out what the rules are.

Michael, I agree with most of your comments.  Hopefully they are reading them too.

Mac
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on December 17, 2013, 02:18:20 PM
... This is the Masters...

And this is the challenge, because there's varying opinions about that.

To me, it's not. I think there should protection around the concept of "any given sunday" - to borrow a football reference.

The trick is finding a way to balance those two poles.
That and they don't give out green jackets to the winner. :)

"Gold Jacket? Green Jacket? Who gives a s***?"
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on December 17, 2013, 08:51:55 PM
Using the comparison to golf, it's not the masters it's the US Open. Unless you want to consider round one as the open and round two as the masters.
Even in the US Open you have to qualify still...
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on December 17, 2013, 10:45:17 PM
It's not exactly like the Open for sure. But round one of NHC is a qualify
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on January 22, 2014, 05:42:58 PM
This year, I'm not sure I see much point in brewing specifically for something I might not even have a spot in. If I get in, great. I'll send what I have.
Hi Amanda,

As a competition judge and staffer from the 2013 NHC, you will have preference during the NHC Registration for the 2014 competition.  Make it count!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on January 27, 2014, 01:23:39 PM
 So I didn't want to be that guy that jumped on as soon as the link opened, but... ;D

Actually I was just clicking the link from my email to see if it was active yet and I got right in without delay, so I entered my info (I guess I am that guy).

There was some issue adding additional judging centers using IE 11.  I'm sure setting the compatibility settings would have corrected it, but I just used Firefox, and it went through fine.

Good luck to everyone in getting entries and to those who get in.

Title: Re: NHC
Post by: AmandaK on January 27, 2014, 01:31:29 PM
So I didn't want to be that guy that jumped on as soon as the link opened, but... ;D

Same here. I asked for my usual 4 spots - crossing my fingers!  :D

Good luck everybody!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on January 27, 2014, 02:08:59 PM
<---greedy bastard.  I asked for 6.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 27, 2014, 02:13:10 PM
I signed up today. Very little stress compared to last year, which is nice.

Requested 5, as that is what I think we will have that is worth entering.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: redbeerman on January 27, 2014, 02:26:00 PM
It's not letting me finish. :( >:(

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on January 27, 2014, 02:36:59 PM
It's not letting me finish. :( >:(

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: redbeerman on January 27, 2014, 02:47:18 PM
Used Safari on my phone.  All good.  Thanks.  For some reason it won't let me change the compatibility settings.  More than one way to skin a cat. :)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on January 27, 2014, 03:08:08 PM
so uneventful.  what will I complain about?!?   ;D

although I kinda miss watching the numbers go up.  "17 minutes and Seattle is half full!"
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: morticaixavier on January 27, 2014, 05:35:07 PM
All registered, fingers crossed. Asked for four which may mean I'll have to enter my first try at a lager so toes crossed as well.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on January 27, 2014, 06:24:57 PM
Also had problems with adding alternate judging centers in Chrome on android, but it worked fine in Chrome on windows
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on January 27, 2014, 08:15:43 PM
I got my 6 registered... now fingers crossed.  We're planning a road trip to MN. So we did Chicago (we have to drive through Chicago to get to MN) as our primary and MN as our secondary... so bases should be covered hopefully....
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on January 27, 2014, 08:48:40 PM
Also had problems with adding alternate judging centers in Chrome on android, but it worked fine in Chrome on windows
Sorry James,

We didn't focus on making the site work on phones, so some of the functionality may be incomplete on a phone.
Good luck in the competition!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: braufessor on January 27, 2014, 09:40:39 PM
Yeah - very slick.  Although, just not the same with out the urgent sense of panic while constantly trying to refresh my entry page...........

Regardless of whether this is a perfect fix or not, it is hard to argue that it isn't a lot better than last year.  Registered for 5 ..... hopefully sending them somewhere in the midwest - KC, MN, IL....  But, whatever it is, it is. 
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on January 27, 2014, 10:55:13 PM
so uneventful.  what will I complain about?!?   ;D

although I kinda miss watching the numbers go up.  "17 minutes and Seattle is half full!"
If it helps at all, we've had ~800 entrants register today in a very leisurely way.  We expect about 3X that amount total for the competition by the end of the week.  I'm really happy about how well this has gone so far.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: AmandaK on January 27, 2014, 10:58:09 PM
so uneventful.  what will I complain about?!?   ;D

although I kinda miss watching the numbers go up.  "17 minutes and Seattle is half full!"
If it helps at all, we've had ~800 entrants register today in a very leisurely way.  We expect about 3X that amount total for the competition by the end of the week.  I'm really happy about how well this has gone so far.

Cheers,
Janis

Good to hear, Janis! I gotta admit, it'll be a little weird trying to get used to not panicking about NHC entries. :D But I kinda like it!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on January 27, 2014, 11:11:18 PM
But panic is it's own reward!

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 27, 2014, 11:20:00 PM
But panic is it's own reward!

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Don't panic and carry a towel.

 :)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on January 28, 2014, 12:23:49 AM
so uneventful.  what will I complain about?!?   ;D

although I kinda miss watching the numbers go up.  "17 minutes and Seattle is half full!"
If it helps at all, we've had ~800 entrants register today in a very leisurely way.  We expect about 3X that amount total for the competition by the end of the week.  I'm really happy about how well this has gone so far.

Cheers,
Janis

It would be fun to know who was first.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on January 28, 2014, 03:20:18 PM
so uneventful.  what will I complain about?!?   ;D

although I kinda miss watching the numbers go up.  "17 minutes and Seattle is half full!"
If it helps at all, we've had ~800 entrants register today in a very leisurely way.  We expect about 3X that amount total for the competition by the end of the week.  I'm really happy about how well this has gone so far.

Cheers,
Janis

Thank you Janis; wouldn't mind seeing that number a couple more times this week if you get the time to post.

question about deadlines... 
I see the shipping deadline.  I see the period where we'll find out how many we can enter and have 3 days to pay.  What about the deadline to finalize your entries?  Since we are not finding out entry numbers until February, and since the maximum number is much smaller than it's ever been, a brewer needs to be really sure their beer is good.  With that in mind I'm vetting my many possible entries in another competition first.  Will I have time to get the results of that competition - in this case, Feb 22nd - before I have to finalize which of my entries are my best shot at fortune and glory?   ;D

thanks for all your hard work--
--Michael

Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on January 28, 2014, 03:44:47 PM
question about deadlines... 
I see the shipping deadline.  I see the period where we'll find out how many we can enter and have 3 days to pay.  What about the deadline to finalize your entries?  Since we are not finding out entry numbers until February, and since the maximum number is much smaller than it's ever been, a brewer needs to be really sure their beer is good.  With that in mind I'm vetting my many possible entries in another competition first.  Will I have time to get the results of that competition - in this case, Feb 22nd - before I have to finalize which of my entries are my best shot at fortune and glory?   ;D

thanks for all your hard work--
--Michael

Great question...I actually have 2 competitions on February 22nd that I'm entered in.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on January 28, 2014, 03:55:16 PM
Thank you Janis; wouldn't mind seeing that number a couple more times this week if you get the time to post.

question about deadlines... 
I see the shipping deadline.  I see the period where we'll find out how many we can enter and have 3 days to pay.  What about the deadline to finalize your entries?  Since we are not finding out entry numbers until February, and since the maximum number is much smaller than it's ever been, a brewer needs to be really sure their beer is good.  With that in mind I'm vetting my many possible entries in another competition first.  Will I have time to get the results of that competition - in this case, Feb 22nd - before I have to finalize which of my entries are my best shot at fortune and glory?   ;D

thanks for all your hard work--
--Michael
Hi Michael,

Sorry about that; the communication piece has been HUGE this year, and some of the finer details haven't been expressed sufficiently apparently.

When you are notified that you're in the competition, which competition it is, and how many entries are allowed, you will have the link to the competition application.  Click on the link, and you should log in with your e-mail and AHA member number as your password.  The first thing I would do is go to My Info & Entries, scroll down to the entry table and edit each entry in the table to reflect your entries, give it your best guess.  Next, pay the entry fee to get that out of the way (3 day time limit). 

Then, bookmark the competition application, or save the confirmation e-mail so that you have the link to the competition.  You can edit the entry information and print the bottle labels all the way until the end of the shipping/drop-off deadline (March 17), if that is what you want to do.  I can't really say whether you'll get information from the other competition in a timely fashion.

Good luck in the competitions!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on January 28, 2014, 04:09:42 PM
Great.  This is what I needed... I have about 20 beers/meads to sort through to determine the 'final 6'... Wasn't going to be able to get it all done this week :D
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on January 28, 2014, 04:15:57 PM
sweet!
[mad scramble for another 10 KCBM entries]   ;D
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Pinski on January 28, 2014, 05:47:02 PM
Easy peasy, come on threesy.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: redzim on January 29, 2014, 01:42:53 PM
somewhat related question: how many 12-oz bottles are needed to be sent into NHC?  I put for 4 slots and need to save enough of those 4 beers now, otherwise they'll probably be gone by March....

Title: Re: NHC
Post by: AmandaK on January 29, 2014, 01:48:05 PM
somewhat related question: how many 12-oz bottles are needed to be sent into NHC?  I put for 4 slots and need to save enough of those 4 beers now, otherwise they'll probably be gone by March....

Last year it was 2 for the regional and 3 for the finals.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on January 29, 2014, 02:23:08 PM
somewhat related question: how many 12-oz bottles are needed to be sent into NHC?  I put for 4 slots and need to save enough of those 4 beers now, otherwise they'll probably be gone by March....

Last year it was 2 for the regional and 3 for the finals.
Also what I read yesterday in this year's rules

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on January 29, 2014, 03:11:59 PM
Yep 2 first round 3 second round... so if it's a beer you are not going to rebrew for the second round better bottle off 5 bottles.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on January 29, 2014, 03:43:13 PM
Yep 2 first round 3 second round... so if it's a beer you are not going to rebrew for the second round better bottle off 5 bottles.

Maybe a couple extra in case something happens and you get an email 2 days before the comp saying your bottle broke "in transit"  >:(
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on January 29, 2014, 03:53:54 PM
heh yeah might not be a bad idea if you're shipping them... I'll be hand delivering mine :D
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on January 29, 2014, 04:24:28 PM
heh yeah might not be a bad idea if you're shipping them... I'll be hand delivering mine :D
Well things can happen once they get there.  Just sayin' :)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 29, 2014, 05:12:38 PM
heh yeah might not be a bad idea if you're shipping them... I'll be hand delivering mine :D
Well things can happen once they get there.  Just sayin' :)

That is true, as the bottles are usually stored in a working brewery cold room, that can be crowded before you put an extra 1500 bottles in there. One guy in our club had to send some in 2 years back due to an accident at the brewery.

Have a few extra, so that you can drink after first round when you get your scoresheet, and one for after second round if it advances.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: redzim on January 29, 2014, 07:57:03 PM
Thanks all. I'll bottle up 6 or 7 of everything, I think

red
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on January 29, 2014, 08:33:47 PM
All extras could also be sent to me... so maybe go ahead and do 9 of each.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: denny on January 29, 2014, 09:48:53 PM
It's always a good idea to reserve a bottle to taste as you read your comments after the comp.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on January 31, 2014, 02:47:06 PM
If it helps at all, we've had ~800 entrants register today in a very leisurely way.  We expect about 3X that amount total for the competition by the end of the week.  I'm really happy about how well this has gone so far.

Cheers,
Janis

how's the interest level been the rest of the week?  I assume we've blasted through previous records for most entrants?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on January 31, 2014, 09:17:17 PM
Hi Michael,

The response has been fairly steady all week.  Typically we see a bump in entries submitted in the area of last year's conference, and another bump from the areas around where this year's conference will be held, and that is holding true this year as well.  Apart from that there's not much I can say.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on February 03, 2014, 03:23:32 PM
Wonder what the grand totals were.  It will be interesting to see the numbers when they come out.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on February 03, 2014, 03:40:38 PM
How many entries did I get! Huh? Tell me?!?!?    ;D

Just kidding.  Looking forward to that email from the AHA!!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on February 04, 2014, 06:45:16 AM
Should we kill time with speculation? My bet is everyone who registered will get to enter up to 6 beers. With the 40-60 entry folks limited, it will open it up a bit. Will make Ninkasi more competitive too I would think.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Pinski on February 04, 2014, 07:58:08 AM
Should we kill time with speculation? My bet is everyone who registered will get to enter up to 6 beers. With the 40-60 entry folks limited, it will open it up a bit. Will make Ninkasi more competitive too I would think.
I hope you're right Jim.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on February 04, 2014, 08:28:51 AM
Should we kill time with speculation? My bet is everyone who registered will get to enter up to 6 beers. With the 40-60 entry folks limited, it will open it up a bit. Will make Ninkasi more competitive too I would think.

Entry limit was 15 last year and there weren't too many people that got more than 5-6 entries into the 2nd round.

I think its great there will be real data on how many people/entries are requested, should help for future planning.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on February 04, 2014, 11:34:46 AM
True. I'm no authority on the subject for certain. I was more less referring back to when there were repeat winners. I've heard Gordon say that he used to enter like 40+. I'm not questioning his ability at all. But to me it seems obvious that the less entries people can submit, the harder it will be to win Ninkasi
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on February 04, 2014, 12:38:29 PM
True. I'm no authority on the subject for certain. I was more less referring back to when there were repeat winners. I've heard Gordon say that he used to enter like 40+. I'm not questioning his ability at all. But to me it seems obvious that the less entries people can submit, the harder it will be to win Ninkasi

harder, sure.  but at what point will it have any meaning?  We had something like 8 people win two medals last year with a 15-entry limit.  Only 4 people had more than 6 points (the amount you get with one gold medal).
We could very easily have a 23-way tie between the beer gold medalists this year. 

we'll see...
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on February 04, 2014, 01:26:30 PM
Yes sometime soon the Ninkasi will be un-tie-breakable lol.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on February 04, 2014, 01:53:28 PM
Yes sometime soon the Ninkasi will be un-tie-breakable lol.

I think the last tie breaker is a coin flip so there will always be a "winner"  ;D

I was always amazed with people like Gordon and Jamil that would enter 30-60 beers in the competition.  I find it a pain just to bottle, pack and ship 4 entries.

I added every judging center, except the West Coast as my secondary so hopefully that helps my chances.  The West Coast is just a little too far to ship for me, since it adds a day or two and more chances for UPS to play football with my package  :o
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on February 04, 2014, 02:25:13 PM
How does teh coin flip work when there is a twenty way tie? do you do it like a championship bracket? lol  Or maybe use a 20 sided die? lol
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 04, 2014, 02:32:31 PM
An icosahedral dice. Or just bring everyone on stage and let everyone fight for it. Then, as a surprise, that's not the REAL Ninkasi.  :o
 
I'd agree that when you start getting a lot of ties, what's the point of picking a random 'winner'.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on February 04, 2014, 02:38:37 PM
I think there are a number of tie breakers before that point.  1st round points, beard length, bribes to the GC, etc

 ;D
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 04, 2014, 02:52:33 PM
That's true. I remember hearing that there were a dozen or so tiebreaking rules.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Pinski on February 04, 2014, 03:02:19 PM
True. I'm no authority on the subject for certain. I was more less referring back to when there were repeat winners. I've heard Gordon say that he used to enter like 40+. I'm not questioning his ability at all. But to me it seems obvious that the less entries people can submit, the harder it will be to win Ninkasi
Yeah, I'm just not a fan of the machine gun tactic. Shotgun perhaps.  I think sending your six best is more than reasonable for a popular national competition with limited judging resources. 
Thanks AHA, looks like things are going pretty well this year so far.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: reverseapachemaster on February 04, 2014, 04:02:44 PM
Twenty way knife fight. That should happen on stage regardless of whether there is a tie. It's just something people want to see.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on February 04, 2014, 04:30:57 PM
Twenty way knife fight. That should happen on stage regardless of whether there is a tie. It's just something people want to see.
If it does happen it will be over the Brewing Network winning the Homebrew Club of the Year.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on February 04, 2014, 04:33:37 PM
If it does happen it will be over the Brewing Network winning the Homebrew Club of the Year.

Is this the homebrew equivalent to Godwin's Rule?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: braufessor on February 04, 2014, 04:34:44 PM
With limited entries, one possible thought in regard to Ninkasi is make the first criteria the total number of medals won in the final round.  For instance if 2 people win 3 medals (of any color) they are the only two in contention.  To me, a silver and a bronze in the final (or even 2 bronzes) is more impressive than a single gold...... if we are talking about Ninkasi. 

By the time you are talking about medaling in the final round....... they are ALL great beers.  If Ninkasi is about who can brew the greatest number of great beers.... well, the first criteria should be who is winning the most medals.  From there, go with a point system.  That would make it less likely that there is the 23-way tie scenario.

Or, maybe incorporate points from both the first round and the second round right off the bat....

Just a thought - as entries are limited, it will become a case of a single gold possibly carrying enough weight to make the Ninkasi pretty crazy.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 04, 2014, 04:40:26 PM
These are this year's Ninkasi tiebreaker rules. Edit: 2 and 3 are identical. Typo?
 
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on February 04, 2014, 04:43:25 PM
Mtnrockhopper just beat me to posting last years rules.  I wanted to note that some of the final rules were inspired by suggestions on this forum, proof that the AHA pays attention here
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on February 04, 2014, 04:45:59 PM
Hi all,

The tie-breaker rules for the Ninkasi Award are posted in the NHC Rules & Regulations (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/rules-and-regulations/ (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/rules-and-regulations/)).  The tie-breaker criteria was expanded last year to account for the increased possibility of ties occurring.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 04, 2014, 04:48:40 PM
I do remember ties even when there were no limits on entries. There was a 3 way tie in San Diego.

So there you go, tiebreakers were needed, and will be needed.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 04, 2014, 04:50:45 PM
Honestly, I can't figure out where #6 is going. It starts as a duplicate of 4 and then switches rounds.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on February 04, 2014, 04:55:51 PM
Hi all,

The tie-breaker rules for the Ninkasi Award are posted in the NHC Rules & Regulations (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/rules-and-regulations/ (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/rules-and-regulations/)).  The tie-breaker criteria was expanded last year to account for the increased possibility of ties occurring.

Cheers,
Janis

I assume "C" should say "Silver"...or perhaps is just a typo that the same one was in there twice?
also, I still don't understand why "d" and "f" are basically the opposite...I brought this up with Gary last year.

d) says fewest Final Round entries
f) says most First Round Entries placing, which = most Final Round entries

(f could instead say fewest First Round entries...just a thought.)


Final Round, the following tie-breaker criteria will apply.
a.The number of medals earned in the Final Round will be tallied, and the brewer with the most medals will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
b.The number of Gold medals earned in the Final Round will be tallied, and the brewer with the most Gold medals will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
c.The number of Gold medals earned in the Final Round will be tallied, and the brewer with the most Gold medals will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
d.The number of entries qualifying for the Final Round will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the fewest entries in the Final Round will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
e.Points will be calculated for tying brewers’ entries that placed in the First Round of the NHC based on the same scale as used in the Final Round. The brewer with the most points in the First Round will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
f.The number of entries qualifying for the Final Round will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the most entries placing in the First Round will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
g.The total number of entries registered for the First Round of the competition will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the fewest registered entries will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
h.The winner will be selected using a random selection method. A random method such as rock-paper-scissors, steel cage death match, or a coin flip will be applied at the discretion of the competition organizers to determine the winner.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 04, 2014, 05:00:57 PM
Hi all,

The tie-breaker rules for the Ninkasi Award are posted in the NHC Rules & Regulations (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/rules-and-regulations/ (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/rules-and-regulations/)).  The tie-breaker criteria was expanded last year to account for the increased possibility of ties occurring.

Cheers,
Janis

I assume "C" should say "Silver"...or perhaps is just a typo that the same one was in there twice?
also, I still don't understand why "d" and "f" are basically the opposite...I brought this up with Gary last year.

d) says fewest Final Round entries
f) says most First Round Entries placing, which = most Final Round entries

(f could instead say fewest First Round entries...just a thought.)


Final Round, the following tie-breaker criteria will apply.
a.The number of medals earned in the Final Round will be tallied, and the brewer with the most medals will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
b.The number of Gold medals earned in the Final Round will be tallied, and the brewer with the most Gold medals will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
c.The number of Gold medals earned in the Final Round will be tallied, and the brewer with the most Gold medals will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
d.The number of entries qualifying for the Final Round will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the fewest entries in the Final Round will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
e.Points will be calculated for tying brewers’ entries that placed in the First Round of the NHC based on the same scale as used in the Final Round. The brewer with the most points in the First Round will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
f.The number of entries qualifying for the Final Round will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the most entries placing in the First Round will be declared the winner. In case a tie still exists,
g.The total number of entries registered for the First Round of the competition will be tallied for each tying brewer, and the brewer with the fewest registered entries will be declared the winner. If a tie still exists,
h.The winner will be selected using a random selection method. A random method such as rock-paper-scissors, steel cage death match, or a coin flip will be applied at the discretion of the competition organizers to determine the winner.
G is fewest first round entries, so it can't be F too.
 
Right. If you've arrived at F, you're guaranteed to get a tie because F = D and D is already a tie. This is going to drive me crazy. 
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on February 04, 2014, 05:32:38 PM
Hi all,

Thanks for pointing out the repeated rule in the Ninkasi Tiebreaker.  That has been fixed.  Thanks.  The tiebreaker list was the result of the AHA Governing Committee Competition Subcommittee discussions following the 2012 National Homebrew Competition.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on February 04, 2014, 06:10:09 PM
Twenty way knife fight. That should happen on stage regardless of whether there is a tie. It's just something people want to see.
If it does happen it will be over the Brewing Network winning the Homebrew Club of the Year.
Oh dear lord, let's not start this argument again!  ;)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on February 04, 2014, 06:25:27 PM
Hi all,

Thanks for pointing out the repeated rule in the Ninkasi Tiebreaker.  That has been fixed.  Thanks.  The tiebreaker list was the result of the AHA Governing Committee Competition Subcommittee discussions following the 2012 National Homebrew Competition.

Cheers,
Janis

as always, your hard work is appreciated. 
...just my OCD showing up again.

cheers--
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on February 04, 2014, 06:28:19 PM
Twenty way knife fight. That should happen on stage regardless of whether there is a tie. It's just something people want to see.
If it does happen it will be over the Brewing Network winning the Homebrew Club of the Year.
Oh dear lord, let's not start this argument again!  ;)
As suggested I think the 'argument' will be settled this year with knives. lol
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 04, 2014, 07:53:17 PM
I'll just point out that the last tiebreaker is...
 
g-  The winner will be selected using a random selection method. A random method such as rock-paper-scissors, steel cage death match, or a coin flip will be applied at the discretion of the competition organizers to determine the winner.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on February 04, 2014, 07:56:11 PM
Better get that cage built for Grand Rapids.  I'm already training.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on February 04, 2014, 07:57:52 PM
I'll just point out that the last tiebreaker is...
 
g-  The winner will be selected using a random selection method. A random method such as rock-paper-scissors, steel cage death match, or a coin flip will be applied at the discretion of the competition organizers to determine the winner.

We'll break that tie, even if it kills someone....    ;)

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 05, 2014, 09:09:25 PM
Better get that cage built for Grand Rapids.  I'm already training.
Unfortunately, after thinking about those rules for a day and doing some math in my head, I've decided that most of the tiebreakers will be almost useless under this year's entry limits. Not completely useless, but almost. For example, the last one about tallying total first round entries - most will be entering the similar numbers of beers this year.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on February 06, 2014, 02:00:58 AM
It does make sense though. Two way tie with four golds each, except one of them only sent four and the other had one that was a 13...
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 07, 2014, 02:21:40 PM
It does make sense though. Two way tie with four golds each, except one of them only sent four and the other had one that was a 13...
I agree it's a fine tiebreaker. But this year the other will not have sent 13. Far more likely to have 4 golds each, and they each sent the max of 5 beers.

Edit: If you send 5 beers to NHC and win 4 gold medals, you're OK in my book.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 07, 2014, 03:23:01 PM
It does make sense though. Two way tie with four golds each, except one of them only sent four and the other had one that was a 13...
I agree it's a fine tiebreaker. But this year the other will not have sent 13. Far more likely to have 4 golds each, and they each sent the max of 5 beers.

Edit: If you send 5 beers to NHC and win 4 gold medals, you're OK in my book.

Has anyone ever won 4 at the same NHC competition?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on February 07, 2014, 04:09:11 PM
It does make sense though. Two way tie with four golds each, except one of them only sent four and the other had one that was a 13...
I agree it's a fine tiebreaker. But this year the other will not have sent 13. Far more likely to have 4 golds each, and they each sent the max of 5 beers.

Edit: If you send 5 beers to NHC and win 4 gold medals, you're OK in my book.

we haven't heard any numbers, but from previous interest levels it feels more like we'll have three people tied with two silver medals out of the max of 3 entries...

it could still work out though, and it is what it is.  A victim of our hobby's awesomeness/growth.

I will say that I'd like to see any random selection methods avoided at all costs.  if it comes down to that, I'd give it to the person who won the biggest categories before I'd flip a coin.  I have less problem with steel cage matches.   ;D

but that's, just, like, my opinion, man!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 07, 2014, 04:21:52 PM
I will say that I'd like to see any random selection methods avoided at all costs. 
I agree. Winning by a coin toss will take away some of the coolness. If I were the winner, I'd rather they just declare it a tie. Or at least recognize all the tied winners and use the coin toss to pick who gets the trophy, but officially call it a tie. It'll work out - in the end we're all making beer!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on February 07, 2014, 04:28:29 PM
I will say that I'd like to see any random selection methods avoided at all costs. 
I agree. Winning by a coin toss will take away some of the coolness. If I were the winner, I'd rather they just declare it a tie. Or at least recognize all the tied winners and use the coin toss to pick who gets the trophy, but officially call it a tie. It'll work out - in the end we're all making beer!

I see 23 largely bearded and carrying a few extra lbs homebrewers on stage tied for first place.  Janis turns around and throws the Ninkasi bouquet over her shoulder; hilarity ensues. 
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 07, 2014, 04:32:51 PM
I see 23 largely bearded and carrying a few extra lbs homebrewers on stage tied for first place.  Janis turns around and throws the Ninkasi bouquet over her shoulder; hilarity ensues. 
That would be even BETTER than a steel cage match!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on February 07, 2014, 04:44:58 PM
I think it's cool that someone can enter 1 beer in the first round and potentially win Ninkasi as well as Homebrewer of the Year.  Maybe that should be the new goal, winning more with less
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on February 11, 2014, 03:57:32 AM
max of 4 entries isn't too bad.  feel bad for the 7% who couldn't get in though.
again, popular hobby...

good luck to the 3K+ brewers competing this year!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on February 11, 2014, 04:21:53 AM
I wonder if those who didn't get in could be offered the chance to enter in the centers that aren't full?

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 11, 2014, 04:30:14 AM
I wonder if those who didn't get in could be offered the chance to enter in the centers that aren't full?

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That is why you put in alternate judging centers.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on February 11, 2014, 04:33:44 AM
True. I put San Diego as first choice,  but also Sacramento,  Seattle and Denver as alternates.  Hopefully I got into one of them.

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on February 11, 2014, 04:33:50 AM
The article says that the 7% will be given a shot at abandoned registrations
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 11, 2014, 04:36:23 AM
The article says that the 7% will be given a shot at abandoned registrations
Can't find the article Jim, point me to it.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on February 11, 2014, 04:39:48 AM
The article says that the 7% will be given a shot at abandoned registrations
Can't find the article Jim, point me to it.

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/news/national-homebrew-competition-entry-registration-lottery/
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on February 11, 2014, 04:42:31 AM
So, tie breaker X should be winner is person who got in by skin of his/her teeth when someone failed to pay
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 11, 2014, 04:45:04 AM
The article says that the 7% will be given a shot at abandoned registrations
Can't find the article Jim, point me to it.

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/news/national-homebrew-competition-entry-registration-lottery/

Thanks, thought it would be on the main page. Well, now we know the demand as far as number of brewers.

Edit - clubs e-mail list is asking if anyone has been notified. None so far. Anyone?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on February 11, 2014, 04:53:09 AM
The article says that the 7% will be given a shot at abandoned registrations
Can't find the article Jim, point me to it.

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/news/national-homebrew-competition-entry-registration-lottery/

Thanks, thought it would be on the main page. Well, now we know the demand as far as number of brewers.

Edit - clubs e-mail list is asking if anyone has been notified. None so far. Anyone?

I know 1 person so far that has received email, I also know other people from same region who did not receive it yet.    Based on my small data set I'll speculate that people with last names starting with A received their email and every hour another letter should go out. 
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: AmandaK on February 11, 2014, 01:41:51 PM
In case anyone missed it: http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/news/national-homebrew-competition-entry-registration-lottery/ (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/news/national-homebrew-competition-entry-registration-lottery/)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: fmader on February 11, 2014, 04:06:35 PM
No email yet.... Anybody know if we'll get one to tell us we're not in?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on February 11, 2014, 04:11:58 PM
No email yet.... Anybody know if we'll get one to tell us we're not in?

From the above website:
8. Any applicants that are not accepted into the competition after the above process will be notified by February 20.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: fmader on February 11, 2014, 04:17:20 PM
Ahhhh yes...
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 11, 2014, 04:20:23 PM
I haven't received an email yet and I judged at NHC last year, so they're definitely not done notifying people.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on February 11, 2014, 05:24:20 PM
Hi all,

Relax.  Really.  The e-mail notifications are being sent out in staggered groups so that not all 3000+ entrants start hitting the site at the same time.  If/when you get your notification, please log in and edit your entry slots to reflect the homebrews you are entering.  When you have finished editing, I suggest you pay for your entries, since the payment has a time limit on it. 

If you encounter slow response on the competition site, consider leaving it until later to try again; you'll have 3 days to pay the entry fees.  You may edit the entry style, name, additional brewers, and special ingredients until the end of the entry deadline, March 17.  If you do make additional edits, be sure to print the final version of the bottle labels to send to the competition.

Also be aware that this is not a mobile app, so you should be logging in from a computer or laptop.  In addition, you may have problems if you use an older version of Internet Explorer as your browser.

Good luck in the competition!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 11, 2014, 05:32:50 PM
Thanks Janis!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: AmandaK on February 11, 2014, 06:00:17 PM
Hi all,

Relax.  Really.  The e-mail notifications are being sent out in staggered groups so that not all 3000+ entrants start hitting the site at the same time.  If/when you get your notification, please log in and edit your entry slots to reflect the homebrews you are entering.  When you have finished editing, I suggest you pay for your entries, since the payment has a time limit on it. 

If you encounter slow response on the competition site, consider leaving it until later to try again; you'll have 3 days to pay the entry fees.  You may edit the entry style, name, additional brewers, and special ingredients until the end of the entry deadline, March 17.  If you do make additional edits, be sure to print the final version of the bottle labels to send to the competition.

Also be aware that this is not a mobile app, so you should be logging in from a computer or laptop. In addition, you may have problems if you use an older version of Internet Explorer as your browser.

Good luck in the competition!

Cheers,
Janis

Can we just ban Internet Explorer already? The BCOE&M version we used for our comp isn't compatible with it either. I lost count of how many entrants sent me emails about how it forgot their password and wouldn't let them reset it only to find out in was an IE issue.  ::) Stupid IE.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: mabrungard on February 11, 2014, 06:03:17 PM
Janis, could you report on the typical number of entries that brewers were able to get in? I only entered one, so I was pretty sure to get it in.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Roger Burns on February 11, 2014, 06:05:26 PM
IE11 is the current name of my IT existence. I used to support it, but MS changed so much on 11, that it's not even rdcognized as IE by sites anymore. Kinda humorous to have Outlook telling you that your browser sucks, and try IE when that's what you are using...  Lol. And to make matters worse, it's forced down through updates. Grumble grumble.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 11, 2014, 06:07:37 PM
Janis, could you report on the typical number of entries that brewers were able to get in? I only entered one, so I was pretty sure to get it in.
The article said everybody who got in gets 4 entries. (Less if they asked for less)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on February 11, 2014, 06:15:36 PM
Janis, could you report on the typical number of entries that brewers were able to get in? I only entered one, so I was pretty sure to get it in.
The article said everybody who got in gets 4 entries. (Less if they asked for less)
And I'm sure Martin judged last year so he should definitely be in.

Where's my email?!?!?!?!?
(https://dov5cor25da49.cloudfront.net/products/1466/636x460shirt_guys_01.jpg)   ;D
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on February 11, 2014, 06:22:04 PM
FYI I just got my email ;D
4 entries - Chicago ;D
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on February 11, 2014, 06:24:23 PM
Janis, could you report on the typical number of entries that brewers were able to get in? I only entered one, so I was pretty sure to get it in.
Hi Martin,

I can say that the average number of entries requested when the choice was 1-6 was 3 in some competitions and 4 in others.  I don't think that really answers your question, but it gives you an idea.  For the random-pick lottery, people requesting more than 4 were capped at 4 and those requesting fewer got what they requested.

As a volunteer in the 2013 NHC, you were sure to make it in this year regardless of the number of entries (up to 6) you requested.

Good luck in the competition!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on February 11, 2014, 06:54:51 PM
The registration and payment went off without a hitch for me.  The only issue I am noticing is where I choose where I want to judge.  I don't want to judge in Chicago (where my entries are going) I want to judge in Zainsville... How can I register to do that?  The form only lists the Chicago judging sessions.  Thanks.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on February 11, 2014, 07:01:11 PM
The registration and payment went off without a hitch for me.  The only issue I am noticing is where I choose where I want to judge.  I don't want to judge in Chicago (where my entries are going) I want to judge in Zainsville... How can I register to do that?  The form only lists the Chicago judging sessions.  Thanks.

I recall reading something about this before.  After the entry deadline is closed I believe you will be able to sign up on your chosen site as a judge/steward.  I'm in the same boat as you, entering Sacramento but will judge in Seattle
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on February 11, 2014, 07:33:02 PM
The registration and payment went off without a hitch for me.  The only issue I am noticing is where I choose where I want to judge.  I don't want to judge in Chicago (where my entries are going) I want to judge in Zainsville... How can I register to do that?  The form only lists the Chicago judging sessions.  Thanks.

I recall reading something about this before.  After the entry deadline is closed I believe you will be able to sign up on your chosen site as a judge/steward.  I'm in the same boat as you, entering Sacramento but will judge in Seattle
Hi James & DKFick,

Thanks for volunteering!  Although you currently cannot enter in one competition and volunteer to judge or steward in another, or volunteer to judge/steward in multiple competitions, we are working on a solution.  For now, please focus on the tasks at hand, and we'll post and send out an e-mail when we have a solution.  Thanks!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: linenoiz on February 11, 2014, 07:42:08 PM
I'm unable to pay for my entries. The site is giving me an error when I try to submit my payment:

SQLSTATE: 22001
code: 8152
message: [Microsoft][SQL Server Native Client 11.0][SQL Server]String or binary data would be truncated.
SQLSTATE: 01000
code: 3621
message: [Microsoft][SQL Server Native Client 11.0][SQL Server]The statement has been terminated.

Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on February 11, 2014, 07:43:43 PM
I'm unable to pay for my entries. The site is giving me an error when I try to submit my payment:

SQLSTATE: 22001
code: 8152
message: [Microsoft][SQL Server Native Client 11.0][SQL Server]String or binary data would be truncated.
SQLSTATE: 01000
code: 3621
message: [Microsoft][SQL Server Native Client 11.0][SQL Server]The statement has been terminated.



Are you using Internet Explorer?  I had a similar error message when entering my registration for entries, then I switched to Firefox and everything was fine.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: linenoiz on February 11, 2014, 07:55:23 PM
I'm unable to pay for my entries. The site is giving me an error when I try to submit my payment:

SQLSTATE: 22001
code: 8152
message: [Microsoft][SQL Server Native Client 11.0][SQL Server]String or binary data would be truncated.
SQLSTATE: 01000
code: 3621
message: [Microsoft][SQL Server Native Client 11.0][SQL Server]The statement has been terminated.



Are you using Internet Explorer?  I had a similar error message when entering my registration for entries, then I switched to Firefox and everything was fine.
I've tried with Chrome as well as IE, but got the same error in both. I'll try again when I get home and have access to Firefox.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on February 11, 2014, 07:59:44 PM
Janis,

Are the emails staggered alphabetically, by region, or some other random method?  I'm finding myself constantly clicking the "Send and Receive" button because I figure you must be near the "M"'s   ;D

Thanks.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on February 11, 2014, 08:37:54 PM
I'm unable to pay for my entries. The site is giving me an error when I try to submit my payment:

SQLSTATE: 22001
code: 8152
message: [Microsoft][SQL Server Native Client 11.0][SQL Server]String or binary data would be truncated.
SQLSTATE: 01000
code: 3621
message: [Microsoft][SQL Server Native Client 11.0][SQL Server]The statement has been terminated.
Hi LineNoiz,

It should state that we only accept Visa, Master Card, and American Express.  If you are trying to pay with a card other than these three types, this is likely your problem.

Good luck in the competition!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on February 11, 2014, 08:42:47 PM
Janis,

Are the emails staggered alphabetically, by region, or some other random method?  I'm finding myself constantly clicking the "Send and Receive" button because I figure you must be near the "M"'s   ;D

Thanks.
Bwahahahahahahahaha, that's a good one! 

No, not alphabetically.  We are picking a competition from each time zone every 1 or 2 hours.  What we don't want to happen is to have everyone trying to log in immediately after work hours.  FYI, there will be 3 to 5 competitions-worth of entrants notified tonight and tomorrow too.  There are only so many hours in a day.....

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Stevie on February 11, 2014, 08:51:36 PM
Janis,

What happens if I decide to submit less entries? I planned on four, but life happened. I guess I still have a bit of time to throw a few batches together.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on February 11, 2014, 08:56:46 PM
Janis,

What happens if I decide to submit less entries? I planned on four, but life happened. I guess I still have a bit of time to throw a few batches together.
Hi Steve,

If you asked for 4, 5, or 6, and were granted 4, then you must pay for the four entries.  Hopefully you can send four to the competition.  Good luck!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: linenoiz on February 11, 2014, 09:45:02 PM
I'm unable to pay for my entries. The site is giving me an error when I try to submit my payment:

SQLSTATE: 22001
code: 8152
message: [Microsoft][SQL Server Native Client 11.0][SQL Server]String or binary data would be truncated.
SQLSTATE: 01000
code: 3621
message: [Microsoft][SQL Server Native Client 11.0][SQL Server]The statement has been terminated.
Hi LineNoiz,

It should state that we only accept Visa, Master Card, and American Express.  If you are trying to pay with a card other than these three types, this is likely your problem.

Good luck in the competition!

Cheers,
Janis
Ah, yup. That'd do it. It was a Dsicover card I was trying. Thanks, Janis.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on February 12, 2014, 12:54:28 AM
4 entries in Philly bought and paid for....glad I didn't stress out about it all day long!  ::)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Stevie on February 12, 2014, 01:44:15 AM

Janis,

What happens if I decide to submit less entries? I planned on four, but life happened. I guess I still have a bit of time to throw a few batches together.
Hi Steve,

If you asked for 4, 5, or 6, and were granted 4, then you must pay for the four entries.  Hopefully you can send four to the competition.  Good luck!

Cheers,
Janis

Thanks. I was planning on sending four and have two that good to go. I'm sure I'll get four in.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: fmader on February 12, 2014, 02:01:23 AM
4 entries in Philly bought and paid for....glad I didn't stress out about it all day long!  ::)

Apparently your alphabetical theory is out... I'm M too lol
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 12, 2014, 02:05:29 AM
4 entries in Philly bought and paid for....glad I didn't stress out about it all day long!  ::)

Apparently your alphabetical theory is out... I'm M too lol
Janis said it was going out by judging site, and one at a time per time zone. Got 4 for Zanesville, so I am happy. Now the thing is, which 4 go?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: fmader on February 12, 2014, 02:10:59 AM
4 entries in Philly bought and paid for....glad I didn't stress out about it all day long!  ::)

Apparently your alphabetical theory is out... I'm M too lol
Janis said it was going out by judging site, and one at a time per time zone. Got 4 for Zanesville, so I am happy. Now the thing is, which 4 go?

I know... But poop... Zanesville was my first choice since it's just a couple hours down the road.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on February 12, 2014, 02:38:04 AM
3 of my 4 are already in bottles.  It is a tight window this year from 3/10-3/17.  Not a lot of room for error or shipping delays due to weather, etc.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on February 12, 2014, 02:53:08 AM
Anyone hear about San Diego yet?

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: morticaixavier on February 12, 2014, 03:10:41 AM
4 entries in Philly bought and paid for....glad I didn't stress out about it all day long!  ::)

Right. I didn't stress one bit all day either.

4 in sacramento!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: morticaixavier on February 12, 2014, 03:26:37 AM
I'm not stressing now either.

However when I click 'Continue' to pay for my entries I get a "HTTP Error 404. The requested resource is not found" error.

So I'm gonna go ahead and continue to not stress  ;D

(homebrew helps)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on February 12, 2014, 03:27:06 AM
Still stressed here

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Pinski on February 12, 2014, 04:22:33 AM
Anyone in from Seattle?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on February 12, 2014, 05:13:24 AM
Anyone in from Seattle?

Nothing yet
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on February 12, 2014, 06:09:30 AM
The 1st person I heard from who got their results had entries in Seattle, but he was also a volunteer last year.  I picked Sacramento as my first choice with Seattle as one of the alternates and got into Sacramento (also judged 1st and 2nd round last year).

My email was caught into the Promotions folder on gmail, so make sure you check there if you use gmail.  From address is info@brewersassociation.org if you are searching your spam folder with subject of "Action required: Registration Confirmation"

Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on February 12, 2014, 07:26:52 AM
Yikes, hopefully this process smooths out
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on February 12, 2014, 08:28:28 AM
Yikes, hopefully this process smooths out

It's much smoother than last year.  Within an hour of registration opening there were tons of complaint posts in the forums so I'd like to give a big thumbs up to the staff and process so far.

I think getting the actual number of entrants/entry count is awesome.  Data is king and the fact that they ran the numbers a bunch of ways is truly awesome.  Props to Janis and the aha staff making this happen.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on February 12, 2014, 10:18:21 AM
Agreed! It must be chaotic.

I passed the lottery, three entries. All edited, printed and paid. Signed up to help. Actually looking forward to that more than anything!

What a cool hobby and awesome bunch of new friends! Thanks to everyone who has held my hand along the way.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 12, 2014, 01:00:11 PM
This year was a breeze compared to last. The GC and AHA staff have my compliments.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on February 12, 2014, 01:18:48 PM
I'd be curious when all was said and done how many guaranteed entries there were for the people who judged or volunteered last year and then see how this number changes from year to year.

Glad I got in but I had a great line if I didn't:

  "My email for the NHC Comp didn't show up...just like the Broncos during the Superbowl  ;D"

Now I hope my entries don't "mysteriously" disappear  :o
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: fmader on February 12, 2014, 02:07:58 PM
I'd be curious when all was said and done how many guaranteed entries there were for the people who judged or volunteered last year and then see how this number changes from year to year.

Glad I got in but I had a great line if I didn't:

  "My email for the NHC Comp didn't show up...just like the Broncos during the Superbowl  ;D"

Now I hope my entries don't "mysteriously" disappear  :o

Any news on whether or not all the sites have been drawn yet? Still no email  :(
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on February 12, 2014, 02:15:26 PM
I didn't get an email. Just logged in and saw my entries needed edited and paid.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: brewmichigan on February 12, 2014, 02:26:04 PM
This may have been covered already but if we log in and set one of our entries to be a pale ale for example but in a couple weeks decide the kolsch is better, is that something we can change at that time or are we set in stone once we pay for our entries on which category we must enter?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 12, 2014, 02:27:18 PM
This may have been covered already but if we log in and set one of our entries to be a pale ale for example but in a couple weeks decide the kolsch is better, is that something we can change at that time or are we set in stone once we pay for our entries on which category we must enter?
You can change your entry categories up until the submission deadline - March 17 I think. Just make sure you print new bottle labels if you change.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on February 12, 2014, 02:36:27 PM
This may have been covered already but if we log in and set one of our entries to be a pale ale for example but in a couple weeks decide the kolsch is better, is that something we can change at that time or are we set in stone once we pay for our entries on which category we must enter?
Yes...I did this yesterday after I paid and realized I entered the wrong beer I'm sending in.
You can change your entry categories up until the submission deadline - March 17 I think. Just make sure you print new bottle labels if you change.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dbeechum on February 12, 2014, 02:44:31 PM
Any news on whether or not all the sites have been drawn yet? Still no email  :(

I think the last emails are supposed to go out today.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: brewmichigan on February 12, 2014, 02:51:26 PM
This may have been covered already but if we log in and set one of our entries to be a pale ale for example but in a couple weeks decide the kolsch is better, is that something we can change at that time or are we set in stone once we pay for our entries on which category we must enter?
Yes...I did this yesterday after I paid and realized I entered the wrong beer I'm sending in.
You can change your entry categories up until the submission deadline - March 17 I think. Just make sure you print new bottle labels if you change.

Sweet, I was torn between 2 but I will wait until they're both done and carved to decide.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Pinski on February 12, 2014, 03:03:43 PM
Agreed! It must be chaotic.

I passed the lottery, three entries. All edited, printed and paid. Signed up to help. Actually looking forward to that more than anything!

What a cool hobby and awesome bunch of new friends! Thanks to everyone who has held my hand along the way.

Congrats Jim, when did you get the word?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: fmader on February 12, 2014, 03:17:47 PM
I didn't get an email. Just logged in and saw my entries needed edited and paid.

Thanks, Jim. I logged on and it was waiting response, so I edited my submission. I tried to pay, but there was an error (tried Chrome, Firefox, and IE). So hopefully that gets ironed out. I didn't get my first choice, but at least I got into Saint Paul.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 12, 2014, 03:25:33 PM
I was editing my info and one of the judging sessions for Philly is listed at 2am on Saturday! That's hardcore!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Pinski on February 12, 2014, 03:27:37 PM
I didn't get an email. Just logged in and saw my entries needed edited and paid.

Thanks, Jim. I logged on and it was waiting response, so I edited my submission. I tried to pay, but there was an error (tried Chrome, Firefox, and IE). So hopefully that gets ironed out. I didn't get my first choice, but at least I got into Saint Paul.
In your forum messages?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: fmader on February 12, 2014, 03:30:59 PM
I didn't get an email. Just logged in and saw my entries needed edited and paid.

Thanks, Jim. I logged on and it was waiting response, so I edited my submission. I tried to pay, but there was an error (tried Chrome, Firefox, and IE). So hopefully that gets ironed out. I didn't get my first choice, but at least I got into Saint Paul.
In your forum messages?
No. Go to the competition page and log on there.
www.brewingcompetition.com (http://www.brewingcompetition.com)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 12, 2014, 03:31:11 PM
I didn't get an email. Just logged in and saw my entries needed edited and paid.

Thanks, Jim. I logged on and it was waiting response, so I edited my submission. I tried to pay, but there was an error (tried Chrome, Firefox, and IE). So hopefully that gets ironed out. I didn't get my first choice, but at least I got into Saint Paul.
Not using Discover Card are you?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: fmader on February 12, 2014, 03:32:49 PM
I didn't get an email. Just logged in and saw my entries needed edited and paid.

Thanks, Jim. I logged on and it was waiting response, so I edited my submission. I tried to pay, but there was an error (tried Chrome, Firefox, and IE). So hopefully that gets ironed out. I didn't get my first choice, but at least I got into Saint Paul.
Not using Discover Card are you?
No... It won't even load the payment page without an error. I click "continue to payment form" and get this...
HTTP Error 404. The requested resource is not found.

Do Discover Cards still exist?!?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 12, 2014, 03:35:22 PM
Not using Discover Card are you?
No... It won't even load the payment page without an error. I click "continue to payment form" and get this...
HTTP Error 404. The requested resource is not found.

Do Discover Cards still exist?!?
Only in children's books.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on February 12, 2014, 03:54:05 PM
I found it with IE. Logged in and edited my entries on Chrome. Paid by logging in with my android. That was the only combo that would work for me. Only email I got was payment confirmation. (Yes, I checked my junk box)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: fmader on February 12, 2014, 03:57:06 PM
I found it with IE. Logged in and edited my entries on Chrome. Paid by logging in with my android. That was the only combo that would work for me. Only email I got was payment confirmation. (Yes, I checked my junk box)

Haha... Safari didn't work either
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Pinski on February 12, 2014, 04:03:07 PM
I found it with IE. Logged in and edited my entries on Chrome. Paid by logging in with my android. That was the only combo that would work for me. Only email I got was payment confirmation. (Yes, I checked my junk box)

Haha... Safari didn't work either

Got three entries. :)
But also getting various errors with IE, Chrome and iPhone. Caint pay ma bills.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: fmader on February 12, 2014, 04:05:24 PM
I found it with IE. Logged in and edited my entries on Chrome. Paid by logging in with my android. That was the only combo that would work for me. Only email I got was payment confirmation. (Yes, I checked my junk box)

Haha... Safari didn't work either

Got three entries. :)
But also getting various errors with IE, Chrome and iPhone. Caint pay ma bills.

Glad you got in. I'll check back later. I have confidence that they'll work this issue out.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: AmandaK on February 12, 2014, 04:07:51 PM
I found it with IE. Logged in and edited my entries on Chrome. Paid by logging in with my android. That was the only combo that would work for me. Only email I got was payment confirmation. (Yes, I checked my junk box)

Haha... Safari didn't work either

I can't pay now either, but I also snuck in the back door before I got an email. I'm sure it'll work itself out.

Got three entries. :)
But also getting various errors with IE, Chrome and iPhone. Caint pay ma bills.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Pinski on February 12, 2014, 04:08:15 PM
I found it with IE. Logged in and edited my entries on Chrome. Paid by logging in with my android. That was the only combo that would work for me. Only email I got was payment confirmation. (Yes, I checked my junk box)

Haha... Safari didn't work either

Got three entries. :)
But also getting various errors with IE, Chrome and iPhone. Caint pay ma bills.

Glad you got in. I'll check back later. I have confidence that they'll work this issue out.
Yeah, I should back off and get some work done.  I imagine the AHA servers are running a little hot today. 
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: AmandaK on February 12, 2014, 04:13:16 PM
I found it with IE. Logged in and edited my entries on Chrome. Paid by logging in with my android. That was the only combo that would work for me. Only email I got was payment confirmation. (Yes, I checked my junk box)

Haha... Safari didn't work either


Got three entries. :)
But also getting various errors with IE, Chrome and iPhone. Caint pay ma bills.
I can't pay now either, but I also snuck in the back door before I got an email. I'm sure it'll work itself out.

I just got the email, logged in, paid and all went well.

Cheers guys!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: morticaixavier on February 12, 2014, 04:18:46 PM
Still can't pay. same 404 error.

Any ideas? I've tried IE and Chrome. don't have access to firefox.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Pinski on February 12, 2014, 04:20:44 PM
I found it with IE. Logged in and edited my entries on Chrome. Paid by logging in with my android. That was the only combo that would work for me. Only email I got was payment confirmation. (Yes, I checked my junk box)

Haha... Safari didn't work either


Got three entries. :)
But also getting various errors with IE, Chrome and iPhone. Caint pay ma bills.
I can't pay now either, but I also snuck in the back door before I got an email. I'm sure it'll work itself out.

I just got the email, logged in, paid and all went well.

Cheers guys!
Hmm, my email just came through. Ok, one more try and then I'm really going to get something done.  ::)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: fmader on February 12, 2014, 04:26:30 PM
Ok... got my email and am able to pay. I guess we just needed some patience. They probably had the payment option shut down for the regions that weren't emailed out so that the server would not go down the pooper like it did last year. I hate being a Type A person.... I sat there and hit refresh on my email about a 1000 times at work yesterday lol.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: morticaixavier on February 12, 2014, 04:33:34 PM
Still can't pay. same 404 error.

Any ideas? I've tried IE and Chrome. don't have access to firefox.

well,

not sure why but I ended up being able to pay by using the browser on my phone. anyway, I'm in! woo hoo
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on February 12, 2014, 04:37:20 PM
Lol, paid at about 0100, just got my congrats email. Oh well, off and running.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on February 12, 2014, 04:41:06 PM
I was able to login and pay 4 for Seattle.  Got the email after.  I used chrome

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Scot (one T) on February 12, 2014, 04:42:01 PM
4 in for St Paul......now to decide what 4 to enter.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on February 12, 2014, 04:52:24 PM
4 in for St Paul......now to decide what 4 to enter.

woah, so maybe I AM entering mead in KC now that I know Scot with one T is not sweeping it.   ;D
(seriously though, you two are killing it lately.  congrats!)

cheers--
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on February 12, 2014, 05:00:34 PM
has e-mail, have edited and confirmed.
now Chrome and IE won't let me pay.

meh, will try firefox when I get home.  no panic yet.

...man, like $120K coming into AHA this week.  Gary can buy a new Club Night wig!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on February 12, 2014, 05:04:28 PM
Hi all,

If you get an error when paying, look at the URL.  If the URL has a "www.", delete the "www." and hit refresh.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Stevie on February 12, 2014, 05:27:29 PM
n00b question --- Do I need to submit the Entry form as well? I have dropped of entries in the past for friends and swear they only had bottle labels.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: AmandaK on February 12, 2014, 05:32:29 PM
n00b question --- Do I need to submit the Entry form as well? I have dropped of entries in the past for friends and swear they only had bottle labels.

Usually, bottle labels are all that is needed. In this case, the NHC bottle labels have bar codes on them. Do not be alarmed.  8)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: braufessor on February 12, 2014, 07:26:47 PM
Got 4 heading to KC..... gotta wait to get home from school to try paying though.  Firewall does not like sites about beer:)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on February 12, 2014, 07:51:08 PM
Got 4 heading to KC..... gotta wait to get home from school to try paying though.  Firewall does not like sites about beer:)
You're supposed to be 21 or older to brew beer and you're still in school?  ;D  Good luck!!

Do you have any entries in the KC Biermasters comp next weekend?  Sounds like it would be a good dry run.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on February 12, 2014, 07:58:21 PM
I used Chrome to enter and pay yesterday.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: braufessor on February 12, 2014, 08:07:16 PM
Got 4 heading to KC..... gotta wait to get home from school to try paying though.  Firewall does not like sites about beer:)
You're supposed to be 21 or older to brew beer and you're still in school?  ;D  Good luck!!

Do you have any entries in the KC Biermasters comp next weekend?  Sounds like it would be a good dry run.

Unfortunately, 21 was a long time ago...... but, yeah, still in school:)
attending K-12 (13 years),  College (4.5 years), teaching (21 years). 

I do have entries at KCBM. 3 that I think are pretty decent and 3 that are new recipes I have not brewed/entered before and looking for feedback. 
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 13, 2014, 12:33:34 AM
I found it with IE. Logged in and edited my entries on Chrome. Paid by logging in with my android. That was the only combo that would work for me. Only email I got was payment confirmation. (Yes, I checked my junk box)

Haha... Safari didn't work either


Got three entries. :)
But also getting various errors with IE, Chrome and iPhone. Caint pay ma bills.
I can't pay now either, but I also snuck in the back door before I got an email. I'm sure it'll work itself out.

I just got the email, logged in, paid and all went well.

Cheers guys!

Likewise.  Smooth from start to finish.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on February 14, 2014, 03:09:20 PM
FYI I logged into the registration site today and saw my club was no longer listed... Went in to update it and noticed that it was now listing all the sites for stewarding and judging.  I thought awesome they fixed my issue where my entries are going one place and I'm judging in another.  I updated my info and now all my entries are gone... So... It seems they are still working out some bugs... I would hold off on updating that info for the time being...
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 14, 2014, 03:36:58 PM
I did notice that they fixed the Philly session times. Saturday's morning session was scheduled for 2am. That made me laugh.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: redbeerman on February 14, 2014, 04:47:08 PM
I did notice that they fixed the Philly session times. Saturday's morning session was scheduled for 2am. That made me laugh.

You're judging the morning session, right?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 14, 2014, 04:48:17 PM
I did notice that they fixed the Philly session times. Saturday's morning session was scheduled for 2am. That made me laugh.

You're judging the morning session, right?
Extra 1/2 point for the red-eye
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on February 22, 2014, 12:06:04 AM
Hi all,

We have posted an NHC FAQ page to help answer various questions.  Please take a look http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/ (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/).  Let me know if you think of any additions we should make to the page.  Thanks!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: fmader on February 22, 2014, 01:22:53 AM
Hi all,

We have posted an NHC FAQ page to help answer various questions.  Please take a look http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/ (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/).  Let me know if you think of any additions we should make to the page.  Thanks!

Cheers,
Janis

Looks good, Janis. Maybe add an entry that answers when the first round judging will take place and when the results will be revealed. Other than that, I can't think of anything.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 22, 2014, 01:47:59 AM
Hi all,

We have posted an NHC FAQ page to help answer various questions.  Please take a look http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/ (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/).  Let me know if you think of any additions we should make to the page.  Thanks!

Cheers,
Janis

Looks good, Janis. Maybe add an entry that answers when the first round judging will take place and when the results will be revealed. Other than that, I can't think of anything.
Frank, this gives you an idea of when the judging takes place this year. In the past, some sites will need extra sessions to finish.
http://www.bjcp.org/apps/comp_schedule/competition_schedule.php

Janis compiles the results. The official results are released by the AHA (Janis). You may or may not have your score sheets before then. There should be a cover sheet telling you if you placed, top 3, for second round. The cover sheet may be incomplete, so don't drink all of your beers before the official release by the AHA, you might need them.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: fmader on February 22, 2014, 01:51:29 AM
Hi all,

We have posted an NHC FAQ page to help answer various questions.  Please take a look http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/ (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/).  Let me know if you think of any additions we should make to the page.  Thanks!

Cheers,
Janis

Looks good, Janis. Maybe add an entry that answers when the first round judging will take place and when the results will be revealed. Other than that, I can't think of anything.
Frank, this gives you an idea of when the judging takes place this year. In the past, some sites will need extra sessions to finish.
http://www.bjcp.org/apps/comp_schedule/competition_schedule.php

Janis compiles the results. The official results are released by the AHA (Janis). You may or may not have your score sheets before then. There should be a cover sheet telling you if you placed, top 3, for second round. The cover sheet may be incomplete, so don't drink all of your beers before the official release by the AHA, you might need them.

Thanks, but I actually know the answer. I was just giving her a suggestion to add to the FAQs like she asked.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 22, 2014, 02:14:35 AM
Hi all,

We have posted an NHC FAQ page to help answer various questions.  Please take a look http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/ (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/).  Let me know if you think of any additions we should make to the page.  Thanks!

Cheers,
Janis

Looks good, Janis. Maybe add an entry that answers when the first round judging will take place and when the results will be revealed. Other than that, I can't think of anything.
Frank, this gives you an idea of when the judging takes place this year. In the past, some sites will need extra sessions to finish.
http://www.bjcp.org/apps/comp_schedule/competition_schedule.php

Janis compiles the results. The official results are released by the AHA (Janis). You may or may not have your score sheets before then. There should be a cover sheet telling you if you placed, top 3, for second round. The cover sheet may be incomplete, so don't drink all of your beers before the official release by the AHA, you might need them.

Thanks, but I actually know the answer. I was just giving her a suggestion to add to the FAQs like she asked.
Ok, rhetorical question it was.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: fmader on February 22, 2014, 02:22:53 AM
Hi all,

We have posted an NHC FAQ page to help answer various questions.  Please take a look http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/ (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/).  Let me know if you think of any additions we should make to the page.  Thanks!

Cheers,
Janis

Looks good, Janis. Maybe add an entry that answers when the first round judging will take place and when the results will be revealed. Other than that, I can't think of anything.
Frank, this gives you an idea of when the judging takes place this year. In the past, some sites will need extra sessions to finish.
http://www.bjcp.org/apps/comp_schedule/competition_schedule.php

Janis compiles the results. The official results are released by the AHA (Janis). You may or may not have your score sheets before then. There should be a cover sheet telling you if you placed, top 3, for second round. The cover sheet may be incomplete, so don't drink all of your beers before the official release by the AHA, you might need them.

Thanks, but I actually know the answer. I was just giving her a suggestion to add to the FAQs like she asked.
Ok, rhetorical question it was.

Haha... I was just thinking of questions that I had last year as a first time entrant.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on February 24, 2014, 01:40:08 PM
Hi all,

We have posted an NHC FAQ page to help answer various questions.  Please take a look http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/ (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/).  Let me know if you think of any additions we should make to the page.  Thanks!

Cheers,
Janis
I'm getting an HTTP 404 error on that link this morning.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: gmwren on February 24, 2014, 09:59:30 PM
Anyone try to print their labels/recipe forms yet? No matter what I try, the bottle label is only 2" by 1.5" and spacing between lines on the recipe form is just over 1/16".
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Stevie on February 24, 2014, 10:04:22 PM
I printed mine the day I paid without issue. I don't think you need to worry about the recipe form yet. At least that is what somebody told me.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on February 24, 2014, 10:11:58 PM
Anyone try to print their labels/recipe forms yet? No matter what I try, the bottle label is only 2" by 1.5" and spacing between lines on the recipe form is just over 1/16".
Hi Gmwren,
This is from the NHC FAQ page (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/ (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/national-homebrew-competition-faq/)):
=-=-=-=-=-
Q: I can’t find how to enter my recipe information; isn’t this required?

A: First Round of the competition, we do not ask for the recipe information. If your entry advances to the Final Round of the competition, you will be instructed to enter your recipe and be given instructions about how, when, and where to ship your three bottles.
=-=-=-=-=-=
The only entry form needed for the First Round of the competition is the bottle label.  You can edit your entry information until the end of the shipping window, but be sure to print the most recent bottle labels for your entries.  Good luck in the competition!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: gmwren on February 25, 2014, 01:49:04 AM
I guess I need to rephrase. The only printout I can coax my printer to do has a barcode from a mediocre inkjet printer that is 7/16 of an inch in length. I really don't think there is a reader capable of capturing the fuzzy data, let alone me trying to write a recipe (if the time comes) in a 1/16' high space. I read the FAQ before posting, so I'm interested in a work around to make the images larger in print. I tried scaling my printer without any results.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: braufessor on February 25, 2014, 03:10:03 AM
Have you tried different browsers?  I know I have an issue with some browsers printing my labels tiny - while other is just fine.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: gmwren on February 25, 2014, 03:36:20 PM
Have you tried different browsers?  I know I have an issue with some browsers printing my labels tiny - while other is just fine.
That did the trick. I used IE versus Firefox and the eye test went away.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on February 26, 2014, 01:09:53 AM
Hi guys,

We're looking into the browser-dependency issues.  Remember, if you edit your entry information, make sure you reprint the bottle labels with the latest information!

Good luck in the competition!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: tesgüino on March 05, 2014, 02:35:51 PM
How important is the wording in the "Special Ingredient / Classic Style" block? Is it transferred word for word to the judging sheet or is it paraphrased by the stewards or someone else?  Do the judges just get the classic style and ingredient and none of the verbal BS?

Asking because I went to clean up a silly description today and found the edit button is gone.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on March 05, 2014, 02:47:29 PM
In most competitions using online registration software (like NHC), the wording is transferred as you enter it. It gets printed on the judges flight lists next to your entry number.
 
You should be able to edit up until the drop-off deadline. Maybe there's a glitch?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on March 05, 2014, 05:16:55 PM
How important is the wording in the "Special Ingredient / Classic Style" block? Is it transferred word for word to the judging sheet or is it paraphrased by the stewards or someone else?  Do the judges just get the classic style and ingredient and none of the verbal BS?

Asking because I went to clean up a silly description today and found the edit button is gone.
Hi Tesguino,

The edit capability was inadvertently disabled, but it should be available again now.  Please be as succinct as possible in your description.  Thanks for editing your entry. 

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on March 05, 2014, 05:33:00 PM
How important is the wording in the "Special Ingredient / Classic Style" block? Is it transferred word for word to the judging sheet or is it paraphrased by the stewards or someone else?  Do the judges just get the classic style and ingredient and none of the verbal BS?

Asking because I went to clean up a silly description today and found the edit button is gone.
Hi Tesguino,

The edit capability was inadvertently disabled, but it should be available again now.  Please be as succinct as possible in your description.  Thanks for editing your entry. 

Cheers,
Janis

side note:  thanks for the extra 25 characters.  Describing some things in 50 last year was difficult w/o getng rly gud @ abbrev.   75 works fine on my end.   8)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on March 05, 2014, 06:05:53 PM
How important is the wording in the "Special Ingredient / Classic Style" block? Is it transferred word for word to the judging sheet or is it paraphrased by the stewards or someone else?  Do the judges just get the classic style and ingredient and none of the verbal BS?

Asking because I went to clean up a silly description today and found the edit button is gone.
Hi Tesguino,

The edit capability was inadvertently disabled, but it should be available again now.  Please be as succinct as possible in your description.  Thanks for editing your entry. 

Cheers,
Janis

side note:  thanks for the extra 25 characters.  Describing some things in 50 last year was difficult w/o getng rly gud @ abbrev.   75 works fine on my end.   8)
haha tru dat
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on March 05, 2014, 07:29:37 PM
You could do it in a lot fewer characters, but you would need a texting, 15 year old to interpret it for the judges. ;)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on March 26, 2014, 08:22:32 PM
I really hope the competition software fixes the "specialty" issue snafu at some point.

if anyone judged Cat 27 in the Finals last year, I had the entry that said "hydromel."
at one point in the registration process I had entered a mead, before switching to Cat 27A.  Once you check the appropriate "hydromel/standard/sack" box it was impossible to un-check.  you could only switch to one of the other two.

During check-in in KC a couple weeks ago, I saw beers with specialty information on the label for styles that have no specialty information.  Cat 13, for instance.  I'm betting those people switched from a "specialty" style to a non-specialty style, and didn't notice the additional info because it doesn't show up.

...at this point I would assume that we are to just ignore any specialty information in places it should not be?

cheers--
--Michael

Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on March 26, 2014, 08:26:19 PM
Hi Michael,

We have cleared out the legacy information in the database, so you won't be seeing a "blonde ale with an Imperial Stout base aged on oak chips."  This info may be on the bottle labels, but has been cleared out from the database.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on March 26, 2014, 08:29:07 PM
great, thanks Janis.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on March 27, 2014, 12:34:46 PM
During check-in in KC a couple weeks ago, I saw beers with specialty information on the label for styles that have no specialty information.  Cat 13, for instance.  I'm betting those people switched from a "specialty" style to a non-specialty style, and didn't notice the additional info because it doesn't show up.
Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who will enter a specialty style in a standard category because they don't know any better.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on March 27, 2014, 05:09:26 PM
During check-in in KC a couple weeks ago, I saw beers with specialty information on the label for styles that have no specialty information.  Cat 13, for instance.  I'm betting those people switched from a "specialty" style to a non-specialty style, and didn't notice the additional info because it doesn't show up.
Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who will enter a specialty style in a standard category because they don't know any better.
I think he means an issue with the software specifically.  I was going to enter a mead.  I created it and typed in the specialty ingredients and honey varietal, etc... Then I changed my mind and entered a beer instead... On the label it still had all that info for the mead on the beer category.  I did change it back to a mead and put an 'x' in the specialty ingredients section and then switched it back to a beer... so on the label it just has an extra line with my 'x' on it...
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on March 27, 2014, 05:24:18 PM
During check-in in KC a couple weeks ago, I saw beers with specialty information on the label for styles that have no specialty information.  Cat 13, for instance.  I'm betting those people switched from a "specialty" style to a non-specialty style, and didn't notice the additional info because it doesn't show up.
Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who will enter a specialty style in a standard category because they don't know any better.
I think he means an issue with the software specifically.  I was going to enter a mead.  I created it and typed in the specialty ingredients and honey varietal, etc... Then I changed my mind and entered a beer instead... On the label it still had all that info for the mead on the beer category.  I did change it back to a mead and put an 'x' in the specialty ingredients section and then switched it back to a beer... so on the label it just has an extra line with my 'x' on it...

both happened. 
also saw some beers entered with names that suggested they were in the wrong style, but whatever.  No system is perfect, and it sounds like the AHA has done what they can.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: morticaixavier on March 27, 2014, 05:35:29 PM
During check-in in KC a couple weeks ago, I saw beers with specialty information on the label for styles that have no specialty information.  Cat 13, for instance.  I'm betting those people switched from a "specialty" style to a non-specialty style, and didn't notice the additional info because it doesn't show up.
Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who will enter a specialty style in a standard category because they don't know any better.
I think he means an issue with the software specifically.  I was going to enter a mead.  I created it and typed in the specialty ingredients and honey varietal, etc... Then I changed my mind and entered a beer instead... On the label it still had all that info for the mead on the beer category.  I did change it back to a mead and put an 'x' in the specialty ingredients section and then switched it back to a beer... so on the label it just has an extra line with my 'x' on it...

both happened. 
also saw some beers entered with names that suggested they were in the wrong style, but whatever.  No system is perfect, and it sounds like the AHA has done what they can.

no software can 100% do away with human error. and since no software (yet) has been designed and built without humans involved it's unlikely that the software is perfect either.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on March 27, 2014, 05:38:57 PM
I forgot the registration system hides the specialty ingredients entry block for subcat's that don't need them. So I guess any info on bottle labels would be from that error.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on March 27, 2014, 06:18:09 PM
Yeah... It also doesn't let you blank out that box if you change it back to a category that does use it... I had to have something in there still... Once a specialty category always a specialty category :D
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on March 30, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
well, for the record the pull sheets still had some extra specialty information on there, but by including directions to ignore it in the judge instructions it wasn't really a problem.  As usual people putting things in the wrong category was a fairly common error.

*edit* - really disappointed that we only had something like 570 entries in KC.  A lot of people didn't ship, or didn't use all the entries they paid for.  I'd like to see some sort of contingency plan to get these spots to people who will use them, but it is what is.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on March 31, 2014, 02:34:33 PM
*edit* - really disappointed that we only had something like 570 entries in KC.  A lot of people didn't ship, or didn't use all the entries they paid for.  I'd like to see some sort of contingency plan to get these spots to people who will use them, but it is what is.
What will be interesting is to see if the AHA holds true to it's warning about excluding these people next year.  Of course, there are always circumstances that keep someone from sending their entries in.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Joe Sr. on March 31, 2014, 02:51:35 PM
*edit* - really disappointed that we only had something like 570 entries in KC.  A lot of people didn't ship, or didn't use all the entries they paid for.  I'd like to see some sort of contingency plan to get these spots to people who will use them, but it is what is.
What will be interesting is to see if the AHA holds true to it's warning about excluding these people next year.  Of course, there are always circumstances that keep someone from sending their entries in.

I may be wrong, but I thought it was that you had to pay for your entries.  Not necessarily that you had to send them.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on March 31, 2014, 03:11:34 PM
Hi guys,

The way it was set up this year was during the application phase for entrants to submit how many entries up to 6 they wanted to enter.  In the interest of getting a true count of the desired entries, we said that if you asked for 6 you would be held responsible to pay for 6 entries or the maximum entry limit to be determined.  This was done in the interest of fairness.  Those who applied but did not pay their entry fees (didn't follow through after the application phase), are the ones who have risked being banned in the 2015 competition.

If you asked for 4 you had to pay for 4.  If you asked for 4 and only have 2 beers bottled, you still had to pay for 4, but you could just send 2 or, if you wanted you could choose to not send any.  Sadly, it appears more than a few people took this route.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on March 31, 2014, 03:28:38 PM
Right you are Joe Sr. (as Janis just pointed out).  I will assume people had things like life get in the way and couldn't send their entries.  When all is said and done, I wonder how many entries under the cap from all the regions.

I've seen too many posts on forums saying "I got 4 entries in the NHC, now I just have to brew something to send".  I asked for the max of 6 entries because I had 6 entries ready to go.  When I got 4, two had to be eliminated.  I just hope this is not the case where people paid for 4 entries and had no idea what they were sending.

Work in progress I guess.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on March 31, 2014, 03:30:59 PM
Hi guys,

The way it was set up this year was during the application phase for entrants to submit how many entries up to 6 they wanted to enter.  In the interest of getting a true count of the desired entries, we said that if you asked for 6 you would be held responsible to pay for 6 entries or the maximum entry limit to be determined.  This was done in the interest of fairness.  Those who applied but did not pay their entry fees (didn't follow through after the application phase), are the ones who have risked being banned in the 2015 competition.

If you asked for 4 you had to pay for 4.  If you asked for 4 and only have 2 beers bottled, you still had to pay for 4, but you could just send 2 or, if you wanted you could choose to not send any.  Sadly, it appears more than a few people took this route.

Cheers,
Janis

I know one club member who waited too long - basically until he learned he had entry spots - before brewing.  He sent some, but not all of his paid entries as at least one wasn't ready in time.  His own fault, and hopefully next year people will be more prepared.  I suspect 1) knowing that if you volunteered you've got guaranteed spots, and 2) knowing the limit won't be very high - will both help.

The system isn't what I'd prefer, but since we've been told it's what the majority indicated they wanted on the survey, who am I to argue.

cheers--
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on March 31, 2014, 03:46:12 PM
Hi all,

To be clear about this, even when the entry limit was 750 and all 11 competitions had that number registered last year (8,250), we ended up well below that number at 7,757.  That is 493 under the registered maximum, or almost 45 entries missing per competition.

This year we allowed 775 entries as the limit during the registration, because historically that means we'll end up with closer to 750.  There were 4 competitions that based on the preferred judging site were well under the 750 limit let alone the 775 limit.  These competitions were "filled up" by assigning the 124 entrants left out of the 2 rounds of the lottery.  Realistically about 40 to 50% of those people will accept our offer and ship to those competitions. So even though Kansas City (or Seattle, or Austin, or Saint Paul) looked like they had way more entries, the odds are that those will have well under 750 entries submitted.

These unrealized entries are opportunities that have been lost. Hopefully we'll get better at this next year.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on March 31, 2014, 04:02:15 PM
is 7757 the actual number?

I thought there were 12 First Round regions, so 9000 spots.

*edit* nevermind, I can't read.  I'll leave it there so you can all make fun of me.   ;D
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: morticaixavier on March 31, 2014, 04:03:49 PM
Thanks Janis.

I'd say this year was a heck of a lot better than last already. just think what further progress will bring us!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: jds357 on April 14, 2014, 03:54:24 AM
Hey guys,

If a beer advanced to a mini Best Of Show round, WTF does that mean and when do you find out the results?!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Bruce B on April 14, 2014, 04:21:25 AM
Hey guys,

If a beer advanced to a mini Best Of Show round, WTF does that mean and when do you find out the results?!

Based on how the question was worded I'm assuming that you got your score sheets back and that you see the Mini-BoS check box filled in.  Large categories are judged by multiple sets of judges.  When all of the entries in the category have been judged the best scoring entries from each set of judges (usually 2 per a set of judges) moves on to the Mini-BoS.  From the entries that move on to the Mini-BoS the eventual first, second, and third place winners are chosen.

So if you cover sheet had the Mini-BoS box checked but no place was awarded that means your entry was one of the finalists for the category but it didn't finish first, second, or third.

Additional details about Mini-BoS can be found here - http://www.bjcp.org/docs/MiniBOS.pdf 

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on April 14, 2014, 12:22:31 PM
So if you cover sheet had the Mini-BoS box checked but no place was awarded that means your entry was one of the finalists for the category but it didn't finish first, second, or third.  Additional details about Mini-BoS can be found here - http://www.bjcp.org/docs/MiniBOS.pdf 

Hope this helps.

or, it wasn't marked.  I suggest we make this a focus for next year.  They should be marked and double checked before they go out.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Stevie on April 15, 2014, 09:53:16 PM
Finally got my score sheets from Austin. I'm disappointed. Of the two beers I entered, neither was judged by bjcp judges, or they didn't list their bjcp number. Got dinged on carbonation level on my standard saison, could of been a bad seal since the one I just poured is plenty carbonated. Barely any comments to communicate why the beers were scored the way they were. One beer was 31 and the other was 28. The 28 the scores are identical on the two sheets. Next year I'm shipping my beers to Amanda in KC.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Pinski on April 15, 2014, 10:00:09 PM
Finally got my score sheets from Austin. I'm disappointed. Of the two beers I entered, neither was judged by bjcp judges, or they didn't list their bjcp number. Got dinged on carbonation level on my standard saison, could of been a bad seal since the one I just poured is plenty carbonated. Barely any comments to communicate why the beers were scored the way they were. One beer was 31 and the other was 28. The 28 the scores are identical on the two sheets. Next year I'm shipping my beers to Amanda in KC.

Still no word from Seattle.  :(
Maybe in the mailbox this evening.
Title: NHC
Post by: Stevie on April 15, 2014, 10:12:44 PM
Still no word from Seattle.  :(
Maybe in the mailbox this evening.

Well, if you get a bad score you can blame Jim and his lady. ;)

No head retention? I poured this 5 minutes ago. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/16/yqe6abeh.jpg)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on April 15, 2014, 10:24:26 PM
Nice glasd

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on April 15, 2014, 10:24:36 PM
Glass

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Title: NHC
Post by: Stevie on April 15, 2014, 10:30:55 PM
Nice glasd

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Well now I have to get the twin out. I like the bear better. He looks like he'd mess you up while the lion is yelling for mommy.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/16/a9ebenep.jpg)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on April 15, 2014, 10:59:09 PM
Technically it's his brother in law

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 15, 2014, 10:59:33 PM
Nice glasd

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Well now I have to get the twin out. I like the bear better. He looks like he'd mess you up while the lion is yelling for mommy.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/16/a9ebenep.jpg)

Sucks about your beers. Getting good feedback at least feels constructive, not getting it not as constructive. I've been there. BTW, I'd pick the bear too - he looks like he's ready to go.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Stevie on April 15, 2014, 11:59:01 PM
Let me clarify one thing. I am disappointed with the quality of the score sheets I received, and not with nhc or the site organizers. The pace of the hobby is outpacing incoming judges, which is bad for news for those that enter comps for feedback, any feedback. I feel at $14 a pop, comments detailing how the judge came to their score is expected.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on April 16, 2014, 01:08:43 AM
Some of my score sheets are going to suck. I was new, and rushed at times, but it did improve. Luckily I was always with a good judge so at least one sheet will be ok. Maybe... I agree there is a judge shortage, or too many entries. Not sure maybe both.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: irwinben on April 16, 2014, 01:41:16 AM
Could someone please explain how early results were posted on the www.homebrewcompetition website?  Furthermore, what could possibly change between the day of scoring and "sanctioning" of the results? 

Unfortunately, I (unofficially) showed up on a list as placing in KC, only to find out the sanctioned list did not include my entry.  The list certainly seemed legit, including name, club and entry category.  I am feeling doubly unlucky this year after two beers in the 40's failed to advance, followed by the "sanctioning" snafu.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on April 16, 2014, 03:00:23 AM
(he saw the explanation, and in retrospect I should have sent it as a PM, so I'll delete that part.  Guy makes great beer obviously.)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: irwinben on April 16, 2014, 03:16:44 AM
Thanks for the explanation.  As mentioned, I was just curious how results were purportedly posted on the site, and then changed.  I will take my medicine... (And drink the rest of the brews I re-brewed last weekend).  It seemed very odd that details down to the club level were posted somewhere, and then found to be in error.

I am not throwing stones.  Only expressing my disappointment.  Thank you for the explanation and even moreso for spending your free time helping me and others with our hobby. 
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: epic1856 on April 16, 2014, 02:47:09 PM
I just inputted all of the entry counts into a spreadsheet of those sites that have their results posted for 2014. Based on the 4 sites that have posted already only 1 site was close to the ideal 750 entry count. Lots of info can be derive like averages, deviations, max, min counts.

My info is coming from the Results page for each site found at http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/winners/ (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/winners/)

Here is my spreadsheet;
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AJplFF61UGsXaSZWQpqlOI1ZGVnf_LXk_5RMR2vfpmk/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AJplFF61UGsXaSZWQpqlOI1ZGVnf_LXk_5RMR2vfpmk/edit?usp=sharing)

I'll be updating as the results get posted.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on April 16, 2014, 02:52:01 PM
I just inputted all of the entry counts into a spreadsheet of those sites that have their results posted for 2014. Based on the 4 sites that have posted already only 1 site was close to the ideal 750 entry count. Lots of info can be derive like averages, deviations, max, min counts.

My info is coming from the Results page for each site found at http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/winners/ (http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/winners/)

Here is my spreadsheet;
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AJplFF61UGsXaSZWQpqlOI1ZGVnf_LXk_5RMR2vfpmk/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AJplFF61UGsXaSZWQpqlOI1ZGVnf_LXk_5RMR2vfpmk/edit?usp=sharing)

I'll be updating as the results get posted.

Thanks.  I was thinking of doing the same thing

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on April 16, 2014, 02:58:20 PM
did some stats yesterday.  if the other 8 had as many empty spots as the first 4, we'd have a SMALLER competition than last year (and the year before).  would be crazy to add 1500 spots over two years but not have any growth in the end.

...but I expect the others will be more full, and we'll have modest growth.

on pace for 780 IPAs.  biggest category ever appears to be 630 Stouts in 2012/Seattle. 

on pace for near record low numbers of meads.  would expect more from some of the upcoming regions.
*random thought* - with so little interest could we maybe add some incentive to enter these?  Like instead of "4 entry limit" say "3 beers/3 meads or ciders and 4 total entries is the limit" - just a thought.

In the 4 regions I found 8 people who had advanced 3 entries.  One of them with just mead.
Re: Ninkasi, last year dbarber advanced 4, and 2nd and 3rd/4th place advanced 3, and 8/3 respectively.  So there's still hope for multiple medal winners I guess.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on April 16, 2014, 03:20:12 PM
did some stats yesterday.  if the other 8 had as many empty spots as the first 4, we'd have a SMALLER competition than last year (and the year before).  would be crazy to add 1500 spots over two years but not have any growth in the end.

...but I expect the others will be more full, and we'll have modest growth.

on pace for 780 IPAs.  biggest category ever appears to be 630 Stouts in 2012/Seattle. 

on pace for near record low numbers of meads (well, over last 10 years at least).  would expect more from some of the upcoming regions.
*random thought* - with so little interest could we maybe add some incentive to enter these?  Like instead of "4 entry limit" say "3 beers/3 meads or ciders and 4 total entries is the limit" - just a thought.

In the 4 regions I found 8 people who had advanced 3 entries.  One of them with just mead.
Re: Ninkasi, last year dbarber advanced 4, and 2nd and 3rd/4th place advanced 3, and 8/3 respectively.  So there's still hope for multiple medal winners I guess.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: morticaixavier on April 16, 2014, 07:44:58 PM
Woo Hoo! it's official, I got two out of four through to finals. my 16E (1st) entry and my marzen(3rd.. but with a 41.5) are headed to grand rapids without me. Take good care of them Mr. UPS guy.

Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on April 16, 2014, 07:47:03 PM
Right on Jonathan!  Congrats
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 16, 2014, 07:50:14 PM
Nice job !  Very impressive.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on April 16, 2014, 08:04:34 PM
Looks like James took a 1st in Sacramento too.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: jeffy on April 16, 2014, 08:08:04 PM
Congratulations, guys!  Looks like I got nothing this year.... :(
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: jeffy on April 16, 2014, 08:13:53 PM
I wonder what it would take to get the AHA to put the names of the beers in the winners' lists.  Homebrewers are pretty creative and clever with names and I for one would enjoy seeing this.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: denny on April 16, 2014, 08:17:00 PM
Woo Hoo! it's official, I got two out of four through to finals. my 16E (1st) entry and my marzen(3rd.. but with a 41.5) are headed to grand rapids without me. Take good care of them Mr. UPS guy.

Way to go!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on April 16, 2014, 08:18:39 PM
I wonder what it would take to get the AHA to put the names of the beers in the winners' lists.  Homebrewers are pretty creative and clever with names and I for one would enjoy seeing this.
Hi Jeffy,

Don't hold your breath for this.  That creativity has it's unprintable side to it, so we specifically don't include the brew names.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: denny on April 16, 2014, 08:21:15 PM
I wonder what it would take to get the AHA to put the names of the beers in the winners' lists.  Homebrewers are pretty creative and clever with names and I for one would enjoy seeing this.
Hi Jeffy,

Don't hold your breath for this.  That creativity has it's unprintable side to it, so we specifically don't include the brew names.

Cheers,
Janis

 ;D
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 16, 2014, 08:25:54 PM
Woo Hoo! it's official, I got two out of four through to finals. my 16E (1st) entry and my marzen(3rd.. but with a 41.5) are headed to grand rapids without me. Take good care of them Mr. UPS guy.

Congrats.  Waiting to see Chicago.  Hopeful, but not expectant.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on April 16, 2014, 08:28:53 PM
Janis,
How about a ball park on when the other judge centers results will be posted. I'm afraid we'll all wear out our refresh buttons LOL
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on April 16, 2014, 08:30:16 PM
Hi Joe Sr.,

Chicago has some judging left to do, so they will probably be the last results posted.  Sorry.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ncbluesman on April 16, 2014, 08:32:09 PM
I'm pretty excited. This is my first year to submit anything to the NHC. I submitted one entry, a double IPA, to Nashville and took a 3rd! It appears I couldn't have picked a more competitive field to start.

I haven't gotten my scoresheets, yet but I assume that I advance to the 2nd Round. Is that a safe assumption?

Now to re-brew!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on April 16, 2014, 08:33:53 PM
Janis,
How about a ball park on when the other judge centers results will be posted. I'm afraid we'll all wear out our refresh buttons LOL
Hi Jim,

It's going to take a lot longer if I have to keep answering Forum posts and e-mails asking me about this.  As of this afternoon there are 7 sets of results posted.  I'm stuck on one competition today, so that may be all that gets posted tomorrow.  I was hoping to get all of them posted this week.

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on April 16, 2014, 08:35:49 PM
Janis,
How about a ball park on when the other judge centers results will be posted. I'm afraid we'll all wear out our refresh buttons LOL
Hi Jim,

It's going to take a lot longer if I have to keep answering Forum posts and e-mails asking me about this.  As of this afternoon there are 7 sets of results posted.  I'm stuck on one competition today, so that may be all that gets posted tomorrow.  I was hoping to get all of them posted this week.

Cheers,
Janis

Ok, I took one for the team there guys. Leave Janis alone. :o
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on April 16, 2014, 08:36:22 PM
I'm pretty excited. This is my first year to submit anything to the NHC. I submitted one entry, a double IPA, to Nashville and took a 3rd! It appears I couldn't have picked a more competitive field to start.

I haven't gotten my scoresheets, yet but I assume that I advance to the 2nd Round. Is that a safe assumption?

Now to re-brew!

If you are on the official list on the website, then yes you are in.  I never rely on the scoresheets.

Congrats to all!!!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 16, 2014, 08:37:21 PM
Janis,
How about a ball park on when the other judge centers results will be posted. I'm afraid we'll all wear out our refresh buttons LOL
Hi Jim,

It's going to take a lot longer if I have to keep answering Forum posts and e-mails asking me about this.  As of this afternoon there are 7 sets of results posted.  I'm stuck on one competition today, so that may be all that gets posted tomorrow.  I was hoping to get all of them posted this week.

Cheers,
Janis

Ok, I took one for the team there guys. Leave Janis alone. :o

I was going to say we clearly have you to blame, but you're faster at typing than I.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on April 16, 2014, 08:37:49 PM
I imagine when all results are posted, Janis feels like an Accountant on April 16th. ;)

I do like that they are releasing regions when done instead of waiting until everyone is done.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 16, 2014, 08:54:16 PM
Woo Hoo! it's official, I got two out of four through to finals. my 16E (1st) entry and my marzen(3rd.. but with a 41.5) are headed to grand rapids without me. Take good care of them Mr. UPS guy.

Great job Jonathan. What did your first place get? Very good score on the Märzen.

Congrats on moving on to the big dance.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: jeffy on April 16, 2014, 09:20:37 PM
I wonder what it would take to get the AHA to put the names of the beers in the winners' lists.  Homebrewers are pretty creative and clever with names and I for one would enjoy seeing this.
Hi Jeffy,

Don't hold your breath for this.  That creativity has it's unprintable side to it, so we specifically don't include the brew names.

Cheers,
Janis

Hey, we're all adults, in a way.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on April 16, 2014, 09:22:54 PM
I wonder what it would take to get the AHA to put the names of the beers in the winners' lists.  Homebrewers are pretty creative and clever with names and I for one would enjoy seeing this.
Hi Jeffy,

Don't hold your breath for this.  That creativity has it's unprintable side to it, so we specifically don't include the brew names.

Cheers,
Janis

Hey, we're all adults, in a way.
Jeffy,
Seriously, the names wouldn't be half as funny, if that were the case.   ;)
Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: morticaixavier on April 16, 2014, 09:23:01 PM
Woo Hoo! it's official, I got two out of four through to finals. my 16E (1st) entry and my marzen(3rd.. but with a 41.5) are headed to grand rapids without me. Take good care of them Mr. UPS guy.

Great job Jonathan. What did your first place get? Very good score on the Märzen.

Congrats on moving on to the big dance.

surprisingly the first only had a 37.5 so a silver certficate (as they were known last year) but a 1st place out of 48 entries. the marzen was 3rd out of 18.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 16, 2014, 09:30:44 PM
Hey, we're all adults, in a way.

I may be aging, but I am not maturing.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 16, 2014, 09:35:02 PM
Woo Hoo! it's official, I got two out of four through to finals. my 16E (1st) entry and my marzen(3rd.. but with a 41.5) are headed to grand rapids without me. Take good care of them Mr. UPS guy.

Great job Jonathan. What did your first place get? Very good score on the Märzen.

Congrats on moving on to the big dance.

surprisingly the first only had a 37.5 so a silver certficate (as they were known last year) but a 1st place out of 48 entries. the marzen was 3rd out of 18.

Sometimes it has to do with the competition on the table. The Amber Lagers probably had some really good brewers.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Stevie on April 16, 2014, 10:08:03 PM

Hey, we're all adults, in a way.

I may be aging, but I am not maturing.

Yep
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 16, 2014, 10:26:24 PM
Hey, we're all adults, in a way.

I may be aging, but I am not maturing.

Well said, sir.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: vinfriend on April 17, 2014, 03:08:17 AM
I am a somewhat experienced brewer but a newbie to the board and have question.  I entered 4 beers in the New York region and was under the impression that the top 3 entries in each subcategory would move on (providing the score was over 30).  However, it appears only 3 beers in each of the 28 main categories moved on. For instance, wouldn't there potentially be 9 entries in main category 14-IPA (A, B, C) move on providing there were 3 entries in each of the three categories and all entries all scored above 30?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 17, 2014, 03:28:33 AM
I am a somewhat experienced brewer but a newbie to the board and have question.  I entered 4 beers in the New York region and was under the impression that the top 3 entries in each subcategory would move on (providing the score was over 30).  However, it appears only 3 beers in each of the 28 main categories moved on. For instance, wouldn't there potentially be 9 entries in main category 14-IPA (A, B, C) move on providing there were 3 entries in each of the three categories and all entries all scored above 30?
Top 3 per category. 14 is the category, a,b,c are sub-categories. Only 3 advance for any category.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: vinfriend on April 17, 2014, 10:35:16 AM
I am a somewhat experienced brewer but a newbie to the board and have question.  I entered 4 beers in the New York region and was under the impression that the top 3 entries in each subcategory would move on (providing the score was over 30).  However, it appears only 3 beers in each of the 28 main categories moved on. For instance, wouldn't there potentially be 9 entries in main category 14-IPA (A, B, C) move on providing there were 3 entries in each of the three categories and all entries all scored above 30?
Top 3 per category. 14 is the category, a,b,c are sub-categories. Only 3 advance for any category.

OK, now I understand.  Thanks.  Don't feel quite as bad but need to look at my scoring sheets to improve.

Cheers!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 17, 2014, 12:47:39 PM
I judged in Zainesville (which was the largest per the results posted thus far) and I didn't have particularly big flights or feel rushed... I realize some of the other sites may have had a less judges per entry turn out etc... but I only had a flight of 9 in Pilsners and 8 in Belgian Strong Ales.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on April 17, 2014, 01:27:48 PM
I judged in Zainesville (which was the largest per the results posted thus far) and I didn't have particularly big flights or feel rushed... I realize some of the other sites may have had a less judges per entry turn out etc... but I only had a flight of 9 in Pilsners and 8 in Belgian Strong Ales.

741...Nice!
average is improving; currently if it holds we'd be at 8079 entries.  That'd be a new record, though well short of 9000.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: braufessor on April 17, 2014, 01:44:34 PM
I judged in Zainesville (which was the largest per the results posted thus far) and I didn't have particularly big flights or feel rushed... I realize some of the other sites may have had a less judges per entry turn out etc... but I only had a flight of 9 in Pilsners and 8 in Belgian Strong Ales.

741...Nice!
average is improving; currently if it holds we'd be at 8079 entries.  That'd be a new record, though well short of 9000.

So..... Were there simply 1000 beers that people registered to enter, and then never sent in??  That is really unfortunate if people were registering beers that took spots that others would have gladly used.  I had a lot of trouble deciding which 4 I would send it..... would have been a lot less trouble if I had 5 or 6 entries.  I am sure there were plenty of others in the same boat.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 17, 2014, 02:36:53 PM
I judged in Zainesville (which was the largest per the results posted thus far) and I didn't have particularly big flights or feel rushed... I realize some of the other sites may have had a less judges per entry turn out etc... but I only had a flight of 9 in Pilsners and 8 in Belgian Strong Ales.

741...Nice!
average is improving; currently if it holds we'd be at 8079 entries.  That'd be a new record, though well short of 9000.

So..... Were there simply 1000 beers that people registered to enter, and then never sent in??  That is really unfortunate if people were registering beers that took spots that others would have gladly used.  I had a lot of trouble deciding which 4 I would send it..... would have been a lot less trouble if I had 5 or 6 entries.  I am sure there were plenty of others in the same boat.
~1000 beers that were registered and paid for at $15 each.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 17, 2014, 02:40:22 PM
I judged in Zainesville (which was the largest per the results posted thus far) and I didn't have particularly big flights or feel rushed... I realize some of the other sites may have had a less judges per entry turn out etc... but I only had a flight of 9 in Pilsners and 8 in Belgian Strong Ales.

741...Nice!
average is improving; currently if it holds we'd be at 8079 entries.  That'd be a new record, though well short of 9000.

So..... Were there simply 1000 beers that people registered to enter, and then never sent in??  That is really unfortunate if people were registering beers that took spots that others would have gladly used.  I had a lot of trouble deciding which 4 I would send it..... would have been a lot less trouble if I had 5 or 6 entries.  I am sure there were plenty of others in the same boat.
~1000 beers that were registered and paid for at $15 each.
Well... $14...but still that's $14000...
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on April 17, 2014, 02:42:48 PM
Hi all,

If your entry placed in the First Round of the competition, but your homebrew club name is missing from the winners list, you must do the following to correct it.
Congratulations on your winning entry, and good luck in the Final Round!

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: AmandaK on April 17, 2014, 02:43:43 PM
So..... Were there simply 1000 beers that people registered to enter, and then never sent in??  That is really unfortunate if people were registering beers that took spots that others would have gladly used.  I had a lot of trouble deciding which 4 I would send it..... would have been a lot less trouble if I had 5 or 6 entries.  I am sure there were plenty of others in the same boat.
~1000 beers that were registered and paid for at $15 each.

Talk about a waste!  :o

Wasn't there a clause that if you didn't send the beers you paid for, you were locked out of the next year's comp? Or am I making that up?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 17, 2014, 02:45:17 PM
So..... Were there simply 1000 beers that people registered to enter, and then never sent in??  That is really unfortunate if people were registering beers that took spots that others would have gladly used.  I had a lot of trouble deciding which 4 I would send it..... would have been a lot less trouble if I had 5 or 6 entries.  I am sure there were plenty of others in the same boat.
~1000 beers that were registered and paid for at $15 each.


Talk about a waste!  :o

Wasn't there a clause that if you didn't send the beers you paid for, you were locked out of the next year's comp? Or am I making that up?
I believe it was if you didn't pay for the beers you signed up to enter.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on April 17, 2014, 02:46:50 PM
with 7 official, now on pace for 838 IPAs.   ;D

I guess everyone really is making IPAs right now, not just the pros.

Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 17, 2014, 02:47:59 PM
with 7 official, now on pace for 838 IPAs.   ;D

I guess everyone really is making IPAs right now, not just the pros.
For sure.  I rarely ever make an IPA but even I was guiltily of entering a IIPA this year!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: AmandaK on April 17, 2014, 03:14:13 PM
with 7 official, now on pace for 838 IPAs.   ;D

I guess everyone really is making IPAs right now, not just the pros.
For sure.  I rarely ever make an IPA but even I was guiltily of entering a IIPA this year!

I'm not sure I have ever entered an IPA in a competition. I'm better off drinking them!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 17, 2014, 03:40:53 PM
I judged in Zainesville (which was the largest per the results posted thus far) and I didn't have particularly big flights or feel rushed... I realize some of the other sites may have had a less judges per entry turn out etc... but I only had a flight of 9 in Pilsners and 8 in Belgian Strong Ales.

741...Nice!
average is improving; currently if it holds we'd be at 8079 entries.  That'd be a new record, though well short of 9000.

So..... Were there simply 1000 beers that people registered to enter, and then never sent in??  That is really unfortunate if people were registering beers that took spots that others would have gladly used.  I had a lot of trouble deciding which 4 I would send it..... would have been a lot less trouble if I had 5 or 6 entries.  I am sure there were plenty of others in the same boat.
~1000 beers that were registered and paid for at $15 each.
Well... $14...but still that's $14000...
So long ago I forgot the price.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on April 18, 2014, 03:59:50 PM
Ok...it's official.  I suck at brewing!  ;D

Philly was just posted online, and even though my scroresheets didn't have anything listed on them for placing, I was hoping it was a mistake (happened 2 years ago).

Looks like udubdawg can take the cider categories this year, but remember Mike...it will be a hollow victory  ;)

Just kidding of course.  Good luck in the finals!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on April 18, 2014, 04:15:04 PM
another <700 region and another <600 region has us on pace for exactly 8000 entries.

Startlingly low cider numbers from Seattle, to me at least.  Maybe they all shipped to Denver to avoid each other?   ;)

mead numbers are low everywhere, with melomel accounting for almost half.  maybe St Paul will prop the numbers up a bit.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 18, 2014, 04:18:18 PM
another <700 region and another <600 region has us on pace for exactly 8000 entries.

Startlingly low cider numbers from Seattle, to me at least.  Maybe they all shipped to Denver to avoid each other?   ;)

mead numbers are low everywhere, with melomel accounting for almost half.  maybe St Paul will prop the numbers up a bit.
Heh yeah I almost entered 4 meads in Chicago, but due to the limitations and extra bottles decided to just enter the 1 mead this year.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: santoch on April 18, 2014, 05:25:14 PM
We were very, very disappointed that we ended up with <600 entries in Seattle.
Frankly I don't understand how it happened.  I know a lot of people who would have gladly sent more in if they were allowed.

Steve
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: victorwi on April 18, 2014, 07:08:19 PM
I just got my St. Paul scoresheet. My single entry did not place and according to the summary sheet there were 702 entries total in St. Paul for those counting.


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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: sampsen on April 18, 2014, 08:07:32 PM
Anyone get their scoresheets from Sacramento yet? I didn't win anything but I'm still anxious to see how I did!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on April 18, 2014, 10:23:44 PM
7400 entries and 712 IPAs in the book, as we all glare at Chicago.  ;)

a lot of great brewers through to the Finals so far.  Some Ninkasi tiebreakers seem likely.  Somewhere around 150 people so far with multiple entries advancing, but haven't found anyone with more than 3.


 
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on April 18, 2014, 10:25:45 PM
Denver is up. My neighbor and I are head to head in 9

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on April 18, 2014, 11:43:11 PM
I heard that entering an IPA disqualifies you from Ninkasi. Or did I dream that?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: morticaixavier on April 19, 2014, 03:21:20 AM
Anyone get their scoresheets from Sacramento yet? I didn't win anything but I'm still anxious to see how I did!

yeah I got mine on monday or tuesday. they should be on the way.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on April 19, 2014, 04:20:28 PM
Anyone get their scoresheets from Sacramento yet? I didn't win anything but I'm still anxious to see how I did!

yeah I got mine on monday or tuesday. they should be on the way.

Mine showed up from Sacramento to Eastern Washington yesterday (Friday April 19th)

I'm guessing the stewards took the sheets as soon as they were done.  No minibos box checked and the high range of the flight size is the size of category.  I always keep my sheets till the end and go back and check minibos box and enter the size of flight.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: epic1856 on April 21, 2014, 04:59:35 PM
Some Facts so far.

Average entry count for all sites so far is 672.
Most entries judged so far is Zanesville @ 741
Least entries judged so far is Kansas City @ 574

Top 3 Categories by entry count;
IPA @ 712
Stout @ 594
American Ale @ 587

Most Entries in one Category:
San Diego with 87 IPAs

Least Entries in one Category:
tie
Nashville with 2 Standard Cider & Perry
Sacramento with 2 Traditional Mead
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: waylit on April 21, 2014, 05:20:13 PM
I haven't received the score sheets for the Seattle region. I'm in Portland, should I have them by now?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on April 21, 2014, 05:58:33 PM
Some Facts so far.

Average entry count for all site so far is 672.
Most entries judged so far is Zanesville @ 741
Least entries judged so far is Kansas City @ 574

Top 3 Categories with by entries;
IPA @ 712
Stout @ 594
American Ale @ 587

Most Entries in one Category:
San Diego with 87 IPAs

Least Entries in one Category:
tie
Nashville with 2 Standard Cider & Perry
Sacramento with 2 Traditional Mead

I wonder how many people will change because of this. Look out Nashville and Sacramento, next year you're getting 300 meads and ciders.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ncbluesman on April 22, 2014, 10:32:43 AM
I'm still awaiting scoresheets from Nashville. Does anyone have any word?

Also, when should winners expect instructions for submissions to the final round? How will we receive those instructions?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on April 22, 2014, 12:24:49 PM
I'm still awaiting scoresheets from Nashville. Does anyone have any word?

Also, when should winners expect instructions for submissions to the final round? How will we receive those instructions?
Winner ribbons and instructions will be mailed in May. Probably early May.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 22, 2014, 12:25:48 PM
I'm liking the unofficial results so far... If they stand I have 3 out of 4 advancing.  Hopefully Chicago results will be released today and won't crush me after seeing these unofficial results lol.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Jimmy K on April 22, 2014, 12:26:25 PM
I'm liking the unofficial results so far... If they stand I have 3 out of 4 advancing.  Hopefully Chicago results will be released today and won't crush me after seeing these unofficial results lol.
Nicely done!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 22, 2014, 12:34:15 PM
Of course the one that isn't listed in the unofficial results as advancing is the one I've been kicking myself about entering since the day I left to drop it off.  The night before my road trip to go drop off entries was a homebrew club meeting... I made the rash decision after the meeting to swap out my biere de garde for my iipa that night... Whole drive I was kicking myself.  The thought process was people are not that familiar with the biere de garde style and it could take a beating... Oh well... Lesson is I should trust my instincts and not change things after a long night of drinking at a homebrew club meeting. lol
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: little.dipper on April 22, 2014, 01:15:53 PM
Whee does one find these unofficial results?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 22, 2014, 01:22:10 PM
http://brewingcompetition.com/index.php?section=default
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 22, 2014, 08:40:06 PM
Well, that was fun while it lasted.  Disappointed that I have nothing moving on.  Haven't seen the scores yet, though.

On the upside, I can go home and drink whatever I like as I need not save any.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 22, 2014, 08:42:32 PM
Well, that was fun while it lasted.  Disappointed that I have nothing moving on.  Haven't seen the scores yet, though.

On the upside, I can go home and drink whatever I like as I need not save any.
Bummer Joe.  That was me last year.  Sometimes luck is on your side sometimes not so much.  There is always San Diego.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 22, 2014, 09:04:47 PM
I'm not that broke up about it.  Only my second competition.

One of the beers scored really well in KC though, so I was hopeful.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 22, 2014, 09:08:55 PM
Yeah you have quite a few in the Chicago area throughout the year to practice with.  I occasionally enter beers in some of those comps.  Michigan has been a wasteland this year with a lot of the competitions going on breaks this year or delaying until after the NHC.  The last full competition we had was the Micigan Beer Cup... and the next full competition this year?  The Michigan Beer Cup... O.o
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on April 23, 2014, 12:36:18 AM
I judged the Sicilianos comp in GR last weekend. 1 entry per Person, 250 cap. Not a full as you say.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 23, 2014, 01:55:29 AM
Yeah I had an entry in there...  Of course... The entry I had in there was the 1 of my 4 that didn't advance in the first round of the NHC lol.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: bphad on April 23, 2014, 08:24:30 PM
I would guess if they are going to post the results for Chicago they are "official".
I know they just wrapped up judging last Thursday.
Interesting to see they posted the results but not the scores on the entry information page when I log in.

I got two out of three to second round. 
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 23, 2014, 08:36:00 PM
I would guess if they are going to post the results for Chicago they are "official".
I know they just wrapped up judging last Thursday.
Interesting to see they posted the results but not the scores on the entry information page when I log in.

I got two out of three to second round.
They posted the official results for Chicago yesterday with the results from all the other sites that were posted last week. http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/competitions/national-homebrew-competition/winners/
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: joepostma on April 24, 2014, 01:13:33 AM
So according to the winners page, ""The links for the downloadable PDF certificates and letters will go live by April 22nd.  The links will be found on your Info and Entries page just above the entry table."

But I can't seem to find where the certificates are posted online. I'm going to my entry page on the brewing competition website, but the only link i see is "Print Your List of Entries and Info", and clicking that just brings up a blank page.

I suspect my letter was lost in the mail, because I just changed addresses and the mail forwarding doesn't seem to be working well. Does anyone know where I can find my individual results?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on April 24, 2014, 01:44:37 AM
It changed today. They will now be posted by the 24th

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Janis on April 24, 2014, 03:17:51 PM
Hi all,

I apologize for the delays in posting the First Round letters and Certificates.  They will be posted this week.  Nothing has been mailed out yet.

If your contact information has changed, be sure to log in to your account and edit your information.
http://brewingcompetition.com/ (http://brewingcompetition.com/)

Cheers,
Janis
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 24, 2014, 03:19:39 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but do scores get posted to the brewingcompetition site?

I'm new at this competition thing.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on April 24, 2014, 03:31:48 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but do scores get posted to the brewingcompetition site?

I'm new at this competition thing.

They have in the past and I imagine when the certificates are available on there you will see your score and any placing on there under your enteries
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 25, 2014, 03:05:16 PM
Scores are posted on the competition site. http://brewingcompetition.com/
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on April 25, 2014, 03:28:39 PM
Well, at least one of my ciders made it to mini-BOS so I don't feel like a complete failure ;D

I like the fact that the certificates are posted so you can print them if you want.  I really have no need for them and have always thought it was an expense the AHA could have done without. 

Maybe the next step will be getting the scoresheets posted electronically.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on April 25, 2014, 03:36:01 PM
won't let me edit my entries to enter the recipes yet, but I didn't wanna type all that right now anyway.  Will check back next week.   8)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: morticaixavier on April 25, 2014, 03:53:58 PM
I also cant enter recipe info yet. no worries. However when I go to print the bottle labels they include instructions and a shipping label made out for last years contest (going to Keystone homebrew supply in PA rather than the brewery in MI referenced in the instructions on the first round site)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on April 25, 2014, 03:54:52 PM
I can't find the link for bottle labels

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on April 25, 2014, 04:03:11 PM

man, we are so helpful!   ;D
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 25, 2014, 04:37:14 PM
Well, at least one of my ciders made it to mini-BOS so I don't feel like a complete failure ;D

I'm with you there.  My bitter made a mini-BOS. 

I'll be interested to read the score sheets.  My lowest score was for my imperial stout which scored a 43 recently.  I guess that's the vagaries of judging.

3 out for 4 mid-30s and up.  So I'm pleased, I guess.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: morticaixavier on April 25, 2014, 04:38:07 PM
I can't find the link for bottle labels

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go to http://brewingcompetition.com/final/ (http://brewingcompetition.com/final/)

you can sign in using the same signon info as the first round site and there should be links for labels there.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: theDarkSide on April 25, 2014, 05:13:39 PM
Well, at least one of my ciders made it to mini-BOS so I don't feel like a complete failure ;D

I'm with you there.  My bitter made a mini-BOS. 

I'll be interested to read the score sheets.  My lowest score was for my imperial stout which scored a 43 recently.  I guess that's the vagaries of judging.

3 out for 4 mid-30s and up.  So I'm pleased, I guess.

Same here.  My mini-BOS cider won gold in KC 2 weeks before...I guess I should have sent to that region. 

Time to start working on new competitions and getting things better for next year's NHC.

On the bright side, I am saving money not having to ship anything to Grand Rapids, so there is that ;D
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on April 25, 2014, 05:18:35 PM
I can't find the link for bottle labels

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go to http://brewingcompetition.com/final/ (http://brewingcompetition.com/final/)

you can sign in using the same signon info as the first round site and there should be links for labels there.

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 25, 2014, 05:40:05 PM
Well all 4 of my entries made it to the mini-BOS round.  The IIPA didn't medal though (35).  The other scores I got were 40.5 (1st-sweet mead), 38.5 (3rd-Tripel), and 35 (1st-xmas ale)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 25, 2014, 06:15:30 PM
Well all 4 of my entries made it to the mini-BOS round.  The IIPA didn't medal though (35).  The other scores I got were 40.5 (1st-sweet mead), 38.5 (3rd-Tripel), and 35 (1st-xmas ale)

Nice.  I've given up making x-mas ales.  I just don't enjoy the spices enough to have 5 gallons around.

My saison got my highest score, but no MBOS.  I'll have one or two tonight, though, since I don't have to save them.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 25, 2014, 06:26:34 PM
Yeah I didn't think this one was going to do as well as it did (That said it did score on the low side with a 35.)  I went really mellow with the spices because like you I hate a spice bomb beer.  I brewed it last year with the NHC specifically in mind... but I have entered it in a couple other comps... It either does decent or really poorly.  Depends on if the judges judging it can deal with subtle spice levels or not.  If it does poorly it's been due to the judges feeling it wasn't actually spiced enough.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: denny on April 25, 2014, 07:25:53 PM
Nice.  I've given up making x-mas ales.  I just don't enjoy the spices enough to have 5 gallons around.

Me, either, but the solution is to not use spices.  SN Celebration is my favorite Christmas Ale and I make a version of that.  I also make my Santa's Helper Uber Alt.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on April 25, 2014, 07:32:37 PM
gimme a Jubelale over this christmas spiced stuff any day.
Cat 21 is one of the few I avoid judging if at all possible.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: HoosierBrew on April 25, 2014, 07:38:03 PM
I made my last pumpkin ale about 10 years ago. Everybody loved it - I had a pint and gave the rest away. All of a sudden I hit the saturation point with spices. +1 to SN Celebration as a great holiday ale .  I usually brew something big like a Quad or Wee Heavy as my holiday ale.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 25, 2014, 07:38:12 PM
gimme a Jubelale over this christmas spiced stuff any day.
Cat 21 is one of the few I avoid judging if at all possible.
I get stuck judging it many times because I have entries in all the other categories... 21 and 23... ugh.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 25, 2014, 08:26:30 PM
I made my last pumpkin ale about 10 years ago. Everybody loved it - I had a pint and gave the rest away. All of a sudden I hit the saturation point with spices. +1 to SN Celebration as a great holiday ale .  I usually brew something big like a Quad or Wee Heavy as my holiday ale.

I still have a 5 liter mini-keg of the last x-mas ale I made, which was several years ago.  People liked it, but I've got too much stuff I'd rather drink to ever get around to it.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: jeffy on April 25, 2014, 08:52:46 PM
gimme a Jubelale over this christmas spiced stuff any day.
Cat 21 is one of the few I avoid judging if at all possible.
I get stuck judging it many times because I have entries in all the other categories... 21 and 23... ugh.

I prefer to judge those categories because they're more subjective and interesting.  I find it amazing what people will enter in Specialty.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: denny on April 25, 2014, 08:55:36 PM
I prefer to judge those categories because they're more subjective and interesting.  I find it amazing what people will enter in Specialty.

Me, too, but I'm too often amazed in a bad way.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 25, 2014, 09:08:56 PM
gimme a Jubelale over this christmas spiced stuff any day.
Cat 21 is one of the few I avoid judging if at all possible.
I get stuck judging it many times because I have entries in all the other categories... 21 and 23... ugh.

I prefer to judge those categories because they're more subjective and interesting.  I find it amazing what people will enter in Specialty.
It is a bit more subjective I suppose... If you know what you're doing it can be less so though.  Proper descriptions of what the entry is is critical.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: galapagos jim on April 25, 2014, 09:20:32 PM
Scores are posted on the competition site. http://brewingcompetition.com/

I can see my score on the competition site, but will I be getting a full score sheet with more detail, like notes from the judges? I don't see a link for that.

New to this competition thing, eager to hear what the judges said about my beer.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 25, 2014, 09:23:30 PM
Scores are posted on the competition site. http://brewingcompetition.com/

I can see my score on the competition site, but will I be getting a full score sheet with more detail, like notes from the judges? I don't see a link for that.

New to this competition thing, eager to hear what the judges said about my beer.

Full scoresheets were not used for this competiton.  You'll receive checkbox scoresheets for each beer you submitted though via snail mail.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: galapagos jim on April 25, 2014, 09:28:04 PM
Full scoresheets were not used for this competiton.  You'll receive checkbox scoresheets for each beer you submitted though via snail mail.

Thanks. I'll keep my eye out for Mr. Postman.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Pinski on April 25, 2014, 11:52:17 PM
Has anyone received their scoresheets from Seattle yet?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Charlie Barley on April 26, 2014, 10:37:31 AM
I have not received my score sheets from Seattle yet.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on April 26, 2014, 02:12:21 PM
Well, at least one of my ciders made it to mini-BOS so I don't feel like a complete failure ;D

I'm with you there.  My bitter made a mini-BOS. 

I'll be interested to read the score sheets.  My lowest score was for my imperial stout which scored a 43 recently.  I guess that's the vagaries of judging.

3 out for 4 mid-30s and up.  So I'm pleased, I guess.

Haven't see my sheets yet. I'm pretty happy overall with my scores though, for first comp ever and only brewing for a year when I made those. The vienna must have oxidized or something, it got 23.8. My Premium American Lager got a 33. My pride and joy 70/- got a 38.5. Given that I judged 3 flights and the highest score I saw was a 42, I'd say I'm not doing too bad.


Has anyone received their scoresheets from Seattle yet?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Pinski on April 26, 2014, 04:11:55 PM
Ok, thanks. Great job Jim!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on April 27, 2014, 12:00:04 AM
Thanks. I'm pretty happy with that. 38 may not wow some people but I know what it means. Especially if you look at the judge article in this month's Zymurgy
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on April 27, 2014, 02:52:47 AM
Thanks. I'm pretty happy with that. 38 may not wow some people but I know what it means. Especially if you look at the judge article in this month's Zymurgy

38.5 is a damn good score and very good for anyone's first comp effort.  Plenty of beers moved on with this score or below; you're not far off at all. 
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on April 27, 2014, 04:11:54 AM
yes, a 38.5 can win you a gold medal in some competitions.  That score pretty much assures you that your beer will get onto mini-bos (unless there is some crazy good flight).  Once in mini-bos scores don't even matter... so it's anyone's game one you get in there.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: redbeerman on May 01, 2014, 02:53:59 PM
Two out of the three beers I entered went to mini-BOS.  I was pretty happy with that considering that each of those was the first time I hade brewed those styles (Dunkel and Baltic Porter).  Al three scored in the thirties.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on May 01, 2014, 03:02:25 PM
Two out of the three beers I entered went to mini-BOS.  I was pretty happy with that considering that each of those was the first time I hade brewed those styles (Dunkel and Baltic Porter).  Al three scored in the thirties.
Nice, anything that scores in the 30's is a solid beer.  Hopefully the judges gave you some ideas on how you might be able to bump up the scores slightly next time.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dsmitch19 on May 01, 2014, 09:39:19 PM
My kolsch scored a 37.5 and my Scottish 70/- scored a 36 this year in SD first round. Both took first place. I'm generally happy with any score mid 30s and above. You never know what will happen in the mini BOS or if your beer was scored by some judges who wanted to take their points home with them that day. ;)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: vinfriend on May 01, 2014, 11:14:55 PM
Got my results and am not too disappointed.  Out of 4 beers nothing less than 35.  My cider did not survive bottling but had been phenomenal before that.  I scored an average of 39 on my Bock but did not make it even to the best of category - Must be some killer competition in NY as I saw that other people won with 37s elsewhere.

It was fun!  Next year.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on May 04, 2014, 02:14:51 AM
Still no Seattle scoresheets. Anyone else get them yet?

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: Pinski on May 04, 2014, 03:36:11 AM
My Seattle score sheets arrived in Portland today.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on May 04, 2014, 03:36:43 AM
Thanks Steve

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on May 05, 2014, 02:55:18 AM
My Seattle score sheets arrived in Portland today.

Yup, got mine.

I need to work on my lager fermentation a little, and add peat/earth to my Scottish.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: denny on May 05, 2014, 03:46:47 PM
add peat/earth to my Scottish.

Do that and our friendship is over....;)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: udubdawg on May 05, 2014, 04:29:20 PM
hardly important, but just curious:

do my cobrewer and I have to cut our blue/white ribbons in half or will we each receive our own?

(although, I do like the idea of a half a ribbon hanging in my basement.)   ;D
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on May 05, 2014, 05:07:45 PM
hardly important, but just curious:

do my cobrewer and I have to cut our blue/white ribbons in half or will we each receive our own?

(although, I do like the idea of a half a ribbon hanging in my basement.)   ;D

I think it's like a wish bone.  You each grab a side and pull and whoever ends up with the bigger half gets their wish.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: tschmidlin on May 05, 2014, 05:44:53 PM
add peat/earth to my Scottish.
Did your score sheet actually say that?  If so, please PM me the judge's name(s).
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: denny on May 05, 2014, 05:55:55 PM
add peat/earth to my Scottish.
Did your score sheet actually say that?  If so, please PM me the judge's name(s).

And I'll help ya kick their butt!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: tschmidlin on May 05, 2014, 05:56:55 PM
add peat/earth to my Scottish.
Did your score sheet actually say that?  If so, please PM me the judge's name(s).
And I'll help ya kick their butt!
They've got to be local, and it sounds like they're in need of some remedial training. ;)
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on May 05, 2014, 06:27:25 PM
add peat/earth to my Scottish.
Did your score sheet actually say that?  If so, please PM me the judge's name(s).

I know I judged one of the two flights of scottish, but no way would I ever say that.  I'm also curious who did.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on May 05, 2014, 07:10:50 PM
add peat/earth to my Scottish.
Did your score sheet actually say that?  If so, please PM me the judge's name(s).

I'll look and let you know. It said IIRC missing peat/earth
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on May 05, 2014, 07:12:34 PM
add peat/earth to my Scottish.
Did your score sheet actually say that?  If so, please PM me the judge's name(s).

I know I judged one of the two flights of scottish, but no way would I ever say that.  I'm also curious who did.

You judged my 1C I think. I know it was one of them, pretty sure 1C. I know that the higher the ranking, the higher my scores were.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ranchovillabrew on May 06, 2014, 01:06:30 AM
Just got my scoresheets.
Was told to eliminate the agave from an agave wheat.
Dissapointed that there were zero comments on my esb. Scored a 36.

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Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on May 06, 2014, 02:10:56 AM
add peat/earth to my Scottish.
Did your score sheet actually say that?  If so, please PM me the judge's name(s).

I know I judged one of the two flights of scottish, but no way would I ever say that.  I'm also curious who did.

James,

You judged my 1C. It was the 1st in the flight. Looks like a little acetaldehyde got me. You gave it a 34. I wish it had been a 48 beer, but honestly getting a 34 from a National on a 1C when you've only been brewing a year or so... not bad, in my book.

Next year I'll send a 2A with lesson learned.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: james on May 06, 2014, 03:00:07 AM
add peat/earth to my Scottish.
Did your score sheet actually say that?  If so, please PM me the judge's name(s).

I know I judged one of the two flights of scottish, but no way would I ever say that.  I'm also curious who did.

James,

You judged my 1C. It was the 1st in the flight. Looks like a little acetaldehyde got me. You gave it a 34. I wish it had been a 48 beer, but honestly getting a 34 from a National on a 1C when you've only been brewing a year or so... not bad, in my book.

Next year I'll send a 2A with lesson learned.

34 is a solid score in the light lager category, nice work!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on May 06, 2014, 01:55:01 PM
I hope my bringing up "peat/earth" wasn't taken as sour grapes. That judge gave me a 40, and other good feedback. I'm a happy camper and plan on placing in the 9 cat next year with a few minor tweaks.

As far as score sheet quality goes, this was my first comp to enter and first to judge. There were a few beers that I'm certain my score sheets left a lot to be desired. I'm grateful that I was paired with a real judge, so the brewer will have at least one good sheet. I learned a ton though, and my sheets will just get better. Public apology to anyone who gets a crap score sheet from me.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: hopfenundmalz on May 06, 2014, 02:24:40 PM
I hope my bringing up "peat/earth" wasn't taken as sour grapes. That judge gave me a 40, and other good feedback. I'm a happy camper and plan on placing in the 9 cat next year with a few minor tweaks.

As far as score sheet quality goes, this was my first comp to enter and first to judge. There were a few beers that I'm certain my score sheets left a lot to be desired. I'm grateful that I was paired with a real judge, so the brewer will have at least one good sheet. I learned a ton though, and my sheets will just get better. Public apology to anyone who gets a crap score sheet from me.

The Strong Scotch Ale I had in the first round had a 40.5, and the judges commented on the smoke in the beer (can't remember if they said peat). No smoke or peat was used in making that beer. Might be the phenolics that 1728 is said to produce. To be honest I don't get anything smokey from this beer. It just might be that since they were looking for it they convinced themselves that they found it.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: denny on May 06, 2014, 03:15:53 PM
Just got my scoresheets.
Was told to eliminate the agave from an agave wheat.
Dissapointed that there were zero comments on my esb. Scored a 36.

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That sucks.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: denny on May 06, 2014, 03:21:27 PM
I hope my bringing up "peat/earth" wasn't taken as sour grapes. That judge gave me a 40, and other good feedback. I'm a happy camper and plan on placing in the 9 cat next year with a few minor tweaks.

As far as score sheet quality goes, this was my first comp to enter and first to judge. There were a few beers that I'm certain my score sheets left a lot to be desired. I'm grateful that I was paired with a real judge, so the brewer will have at least one good sheet. I learned a ton though, and my sheets will just get better. Public apology to anyone who gets a crap score sheet from me.

I'm absolutely not taking it that way, Jim.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: denny on May 06, 2014, 03:22:03 PM
It just might be that since they were looking for it they convinced themselves that they found it.

Yep.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: AmandaK on May 06, 2014, 03:41:52 PM
It just might be that since they were looking for it they convinced themselves that they found it.

Yep.

"Judge the beer in front of you" has many advantages.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on May 06, 2014, 06:31:41 PM
I hope my bringing up "peat/earth" wasn't taken as sour grapes. That judge gave me a 40, and other good feedback. I'm a happy camper and plan on placing in the 9 cat next year with a few minor tweaks.

As far as score sheet quality goes, this was my first comp to enter and first to judge. There were a few beers that I'm certain my score sheets left a lot to be desired. I'm grateful that I was paired with a real judge, so the brewer will have at least one good sheet. I learned a ton though, and my sheets will just get better. Public apology to anyone who gets a crap score sheet from me.

I'm absolutely not taking it that way, Jim.

Good
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: tschmidlin on May 07, 2014, 12:09:53 AM
I hope my bringing up "peat/earth" wasn't taken as sour grapes. That judge gave me a 40, and other good feedback. I'm a happy camper and plan on placing in the 9 cat next year with a few minor tweaks.

As far as score sheet quality goes, this was my first comp to enter and first to judge. There were a few beers that I'm certain my score sheets left a lot to be desired. I'm grateful that I was paired with a real judge, so the brewer will have at least one good sheet. I learned a ton though, and my sheets will just get better. Public apology to anyone who gets a crap score sheet from me.
I don't take it that way either.  I'll talk to the judge, or more likely have someone else do it.  He knows I hate peat in beer and might take it as my personal preference.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on May 07, 2014, 01:01:17 AM
Right on
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: jskiles on May 07, 2014, 03:10:40 PM
I'm pretty happy with my scores, my pale got a 38, porter got a 37, and my imperial stout got a 43.  None of these advanced though.  I know they're popular categories, but dang, a 43 doesn't advance?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on May 07, 2014, 03:58:22 PM
At this point I think my sheets might come back to me after the 2nd round ;-)

I have no complaints about my scores.  All made it to mini-bos and all but one advanced.

The one think to remember jskiles is that it's not the score that makes the beer place.  That 43 just got you to the mini-bos.  Once in the mini-bos scores don't matter and at this point it's a "rebalancing" to determine the top 3 beers.  Basically some judges score higher than others and some score lowers than others.  This mini-bos round applies some checks and balances so the most lenient scorers are not giving out all the medals :D
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: ncbluesman on May 07, 2014, 05:42:45 PM
I know they're popular categories, but dang, a 43 doesn't advance?

I'm sorry you didn't advance. I can understand why you feel that way having scored a 43.  I got a 45 in the IPA category in Nashville and squeaked into the second round with a 3rd! As I understand it, your initial score will get you into the mini-bos, but after that scores are no longer considered. 

Question for the experienced judges: What exactly happens in a mini-bos?  How are the judges selected to participate and what process is followed to select the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place entries?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dbarber on May 07, 2014, 07:34:31 PM
Question for the experienced judges: What exactly happens in a mini-bos?  How are the judges selected to participate and what process is followed to select the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place entries?

Usually the more experienced judge of each pair of judges sits on the mini-BOS.  The way I've done it is, all of the beers are poured, tasted and then once we are ready, we'll go around the table and each judge will select the beer he/she likes least, if there is consensus then the beer will be out of the mini-BOS.  This is done until there are either 3 or 4 beers left and then each judge selects his/her top 3 in order.  If it is obvious which beer is 1, 2 and 3 then its a done deal, otherwise there is discussion until there is consensus which beers are 1, 2, and 3. 
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on May 07, 2014, 07:44:54 PM
Question for the experienced judges: What exactly happens in a mini-bos?  How are the judges selected to participate and what process is followed to select the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place entries?

Usually the more experienced judge of each pair of judges sits on the mini-BOS.  The way I've done it is, all of the beers are poured, tasted and then once we are ready, we'll go around the table and each judge will select the beer he/she likes least, if there is consensus then the beer will be out of the mini-BOS.  This is done until there are either 3 or 4 beers left and then each judge selects his/her top 3 in order.  If it is obvious which beer is 1, 2 and 3 then its a done deal, otherwise there is discussion until there is consensus which beers are 1, 2, and 3.
This is pretty much how it goes except I would say it's less about rather the judges like/dislike the beers themselves and more about rather the judges think the beer fits or doesn't fit the style better or worse than the other beers in the mini-bos.
Title: NHC
Post by: ajk on May 08, 2014, 12:35:28 AM
add peat/earth to my Scottish.
Please don't!
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on May 08, 2014, 02:36:01 AM
add peat/earth to my Scottish.
Please don't!

Well, ok I wont.
Potting soil?
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dbarber on May 08, 2014, 12:48:39 PM
Question for the experienced judges: What exactly happens in a mini-bos?  How are the judges selected to participate and what process is followed to select the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place entries?

Usually the more experienced judge of each pair of judges sits on the mini-BOS.  The way I've done it is, all of the beers are poured, tasted and then once we are ready, we'll go around the table and each judge will select the beer he/she likes least, if there is consensus then the beer will be out of the mini-BOS.  This is done until there are either 3 or 4 beers left and then each judge selects his/her top 3 in order.  If it is obvious which beer is 1, 2 and 3 then its a done deal, otherwise there is discussion until there is consensus which beers are 1, 2, and 3.
This is pretty much how it goes except I would say it's less about rather the judges like/dislike the beers themselves and more about rather the judges think the beer fits or doesn't fit the style better or worse than the other beers in the mini-bos.

Yes, I should have stated it that way.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on May 08, 2014, 01:36:19 PM
IIRC at Seattle it was highest rank from each table but Certified or higher
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on May 09, 2014, 01:21:19 PM
IIRC at Seattle it was highest rank from each table but Certified or higher
It's usually the higher ranked judges in the flight unless one of the other judges really wants to do it and the higher ranked judge doesn't mind.  I'm only (currently) certified and I do mini-bos all the time.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: dkfick on May 09, 2014, 02:04:16 PM
Got my Chicago results back today.  Pretty much agree with all the judges comments.  Though I didn't perceive my IIPA's dankness as an issue... It's basically what I was shooting for.  Still it was scored appropriately I think.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: santoch on May 10, 2014, 03:04:55 AM
Jim-
I never set a "certified minimum" for mini-BOS here in Seattle, though it may have worked out that way due to way the tables were made up.
We generally had a Certified or higher in each triple.  Occasionally, it was 2 Recognizeds and a novice or pro, but there weren't many of those.

In case anyone is interested, here's how I set up the judge pairings/triples:

1) I had to make sure that no one judged in a category that they entered.
2) Ensure that those judges with lots of entries got placed first, regardless of rank.
3) Ensure that the Nationals and higher were spread out across all the categories in the session.
4) Ensure that a Certified judge or higher was in every pairing/triple.  2 Recognizeds together was ok, too.
5) Ensure that Certified Mead Judges judged the Meads (and Ciders).
6) Ensure that each Apprentice and Rank Pending judge is paired at least once with a National or higher for at least 1 flight, but preferably more often.  If not, I paired them with the most experienced ranked judge available.
7) If they checked the preferred/non-preferred category lists when registering I favored those preferences.  I'm happy to report that not a single judge had to judge a category they marked as non-preferred, and most got the categories they marked most favored.

Hope this makes sense.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: klickitat jim on May 10, 2014, 02:29:31 PM
Total sense and from my view you did a fantastic job.
Title: Re: NHC
Post by: johnf on May 12, 2014, 06:17:01 PM
I hope my bringing up "peat/earth" wasn't taken as sour grapes. That judge gave me a 40, and other good feedback. I'm a happy camper and plan on placing in the 9 cat next year with a few minor tweaks.

As far as score sheet quality goes, this was my first comp to enter and first to judge. There were a few beers that I'm certain my score sheets left a lot to be desired. I'm grateful that I was paired with a real judge, so the brewer will have at least one good sheet. I learned a ton though, and my sheets will just get better. Public apology to anyone who gets a crap score sheet from me.


The Strong Scotch Ale I had in the first round had a 40.5, and the judges commented on the smoke in the beer (can't remember if they said peat). No smoke or peat was used in making that beer. Might be the phenolics that 1728 is said to produce. To be honest I don't get anything smokey from this beer. It just might be that since they were looking for it they convinced themselves that they found it.

In BCS Jamil wrote about getting "smoky" comments on cat 9s made with the Chico strain. That was my experience as well.

I am convinced the entire thing is a myth propagated by Americans who drank whisky in Scotland and then had beer later in the day.

As an example of the opposite, I once bought the Aecht Schlenkerla bier schnapps in Bamberg. I tried some in the evening after drinking rauchbier all day and was disappointed that there was no smoke aroma/flavor in the distilled Schnapps.

If I hadn't brought the bottle home and you had tasked me with writing schnapps guidelines I might have gone and done something like say that there is no smoke aroma in schnapps made from smoked beers.

I brought the rest home and shared some at a competition. It was extremely smoky.