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Title: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 12, 2013, 04:22:10 AM
I goes into the closest SPEC's and ask for an entry-level whiskey. Walked out with some G. Dickle 8 classic recipe...

Is sour mash really an entry level whiskey? I was thinking of Canadian Club. Hell I could have picked Crown Royal.

Anyway I'm trying it straight. And indeed it is whiskey. I'm liking it. What should I buy next? For under $20.

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 1vertical on December 12, 2013, 06:20:09 AM
E,
get some G.Dickey Rye and pour a side by side compare taste.....
see what the rye brings to the front
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on December 12, 2013, 06:32:55 AM
Homebrewer you.  Make your own. 

Google UJSSM
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 12, 2013, 12:29:46 PM
I'm a bourbon drinker. I love the stuff. I don't know prices where you are but probably the best lowest priced "passable" boubon you can buy that is ~20 is Maker's Mark. There's also Bulleit and Buffalo Trace and a few others I can think of.

Now, these are whiskeys that I am assuming you mean to drink on the rocks or neat, which is the only way whiskey should be consumed. The whiskeys you mentioned above are all whiskeys meant to be cut into other drinks like coke or what not, which I have little respect for.

You will find some solid offerings in the $30 range such as Knob Creek, Wild Turkey Rare Breed, Woodford Reserve and then the stuff gets sublime from there but also sublimely expensive.

But I normally keep a bottle of Maker's around all the time because it is an easy drinking whiskey that satisfies a pleasurable evening of watching movies with family or smoking cigars in the hot tub but won't break the budget.

As a bonus: One of the nicest "reasonably priced" bourbons I have gotten to try lately is "Town Branch" which was around $30. What a treat, comparable to $40 and $50 offerings.
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Post by: HoosierBrew on December 12, 2013, 12:58:10 PM
+1 to Maker's, Woodford, and Knob Creek - neat or on rocks.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: AmandaK on December 12, 2013, 01:47:51 PM
Lately, I've been a fan of Knob Creek. We did a horizontal tasting of our small collection at home (Buffalo Trace, Makers, Knob Creek, Elijah Craig 12 and two others I can't remember...) and Knob Creek 100 proof was my favorite. A lot of good vanillin in that one.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Paule33 on December 12, 2013, 02:04:36 PM
Maker’s is a darn good bourbon and I like it a lot. I also like Canadian whiskeys and Crown is a blend I prefer as of today. Templeton Rye adds a little spice and I guess I drink it because it is make in my home state and one of Capone’s favorites. Let me know if you find a good sour mash. I have had some really good sour mash whiskeys but most of them were clear and without a label  ;)  A friend of mine used to drink a lot of Templeton Rye but it was also somewhat clear. He was from there and told me that a lot of the locals claim to have the recipie.  :D
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: AmandaK on December 12, 2013, 02:28:22 PM
Templeton Rye adds a little spice and I guess I drink it because it is make in my home state and one of Capone’s favorites.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Templeton Rye base spirit is made by MGP, a bioplastics food conglomerate, in Indiana. (95% rye, 5% barley) That base spirit is sold to several different brands to make several different whiskeys like Templeton Rye, Bulleit Rye, Willet, George Dickel Rye, etc.

So long story short, it may not be made in your home state.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: thebigbaker on December 12, 2013, 02:33:17 PM
+1 to Makers.  I always have a bottle around and as mentioned above, Knob Creek is really good too.  I also will grab a bottle of Buffalo Trace ($25) every now and then, which my wife prefers to Makers.  I also like Blanton's which I will pick up when my local store has it on sale for $36 (normally $45-$50).  Not too long ago I had Four Roses Yellow Label and it was pleasantly good for a bourbon that I've seen in stores for less than $20.     
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: reverseapachemaster on December 12, 2013, 02:56:51 PM
I'm told Evan Williams is a decent bourbon at a low low price point. I dunno, I'm not a terribly huge bourbon drinker.

My preference is for scotch. At Specs you might be able to find even a few single malt scotches below $30 (Glenlivet, Macallan 10 and sometimes 12, Glenmorangie, etc.) but blended scotches are certainly accessible in the $20s if not sometimes cheaper. I'm partial to Dewar White Label, Johnny Black, or Johnny Red for a blend but Cutty Sark and Chivas Regal are fine. Blended scotches are similar to Canadian whiskeys but IMO smoother but more flavorful, more like an Irish whiskey. However, when you get the $10 handle of blended scotch you're getting what you pay for. Can be mixed or drank straight.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Paule33 on December 12, 2013, 03:16:29 PM
AmandaK your probably right. Just goes to show you can't always believe documentaries!  :o  It is bottled there...seen that  :)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: mihalybaci on December 12, 2013, 03:22:26 PM
+1 for Bulleit, which I actually like a bit better than Maker's Mark. It's especially good in Alton Brown's egg nog recipe. My favorite bourbon though has to be Blanton's. At $50 per 750 mL it's not cheap, but it's really smooth with a nice vanilla character.

Speaking of Alton Brown, he recently posted a podcast with Julian Van Winkle owner of the Old Rip Van Winkle distillery. It's a really interesting discussion of bourbon (with a bourbon tasting afterwards) for those who are into that kind of thing.

http://www.nerdist.com/2013/10/the-alton-browncast-15-julian-van-winkle/
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 12, 2013, 03:57:57 PM
I'm a bourbon drinker. I love the stuff. I don't know prices where you are but probably the best lowest priced "passable" boubon you can buy that is ~20 is Maker's Mark. There's also Bulleit and Buffalo Trace and a few others I can think of.

Opinions being what they are, and everyone having one and all that, I have to disagree somewhat here.

You can get decent bourbons under $20.  Ancient Age is, in my opinion, pretty damn good for the price.  Very Old Barton 100 proof needs a splash of water but is also a decent sipper.  Anything by Weller, though some of them push up over $20.  Weller is supposedly the same juice that goes into Pappy Van Winkle, which is much much pricier.

Makers is OK.  Probably better than OK, but not something I typically stock.  Not a huge fan of Buffalo Trace but it's OK, too.  You can do better for the money, IMO.

In the mid-$20s I like Wathen's and Elmer T. Lee.  In the pricier range, I enjoy Four Roses Single Barrel and Noah's Mill (bottled by KBD but distilled by others).  Shared some Blanton's with a friend last week and it was better than I recalled but still over priced (again, IMO).

I'm told Evan Williams is a decent bourbon at a low low price point.

I've heard the same, and have a bottle in my cabinet.  On the bottom shelf next to the Beam.  OK for mixing or using in a BBQ sauce or mop sauce.

Elijah Craig gets a lot of praise, too.  It's OK.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Templeton Rye base spirit is made by MGP, a bioplastics food conglomerate, in Indiana. (95% rye, 5% barley) That base spirit is sold to several different brands to make several different whiskeys like Templeton Rye, Bulleit Rye, Willet, George Dickel Rye, etc.

So long story short, it may not be made in your home state.

You are not wrong.  Rye is a whole 'nother thread and I could go on an on.  Can't beat the Sazerac rye if/when you can get it. 

Here's a fun read which can maybe also give Euge some guidance on what to try next. 

http://www.gq.com/life/food/201311/bourbon-whiskey-family-tree

I went on a budget bourbon spree last year (or maybe two years ago) and Ancient Age, VOB and Weller were the best of the bunch.  You can also check out StraightBourbon.com and other sites dedicated to whiskey.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 12, 2013, 04:01:03 PM
Is sour mash really an entry level whiskey?

IIRC, most bourbons are sour mash.  Not all, but it's a typical process.

Also, some have wheat, some have rye added to the grain bill.  Different flavors and all that.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 12, 2013, 06:33:13 PM
I'm a bourbon drinker. I love the stuff. I don't know prices where you are but probably the best lowest priced "passable" boubon you can buy that is ~20 is Maker's Mark. There's also Bulleit and Buffalo Trace and a few others I can think of.

Opinions being what they are, and everyone having one and all that, I have to disagree somewhat here.

You can get decent bourbons under $20.  Ancient Age is, in my opinion, pretty damn good for the price.  Very Old Barton 100 proof needs a splash of water but is also a decent sipper.  Anything by Weller, though some of them push up over $20.  Weller is supposedly the same juice that goes into Pappy Van Winkle, which is much much pricier.

Makers is OK.  Probably better than OK, but not something I typically stock.  Not a huge fan of Buffalo Trace but it's OK, too.  You can do better for the money, IMO.

In the mid-$20s I like Wathen's and Elmer T. Lee.  In the pricier range, I enjoy Four Roses Single Barrel and Noah's Mill (bottled by KBD but distilled by others).  Shared some Blanton's with a friend last week and it was better than I recalled but still over priced (again, IMO).

I'm told Evan Williams is a decent bourbon at a low low price point.

I've heard the same, and have a bottle in my cabinet.  On the bottom shelf next to the Beam.  OK for mixing or using in a BBQ sauce or mop sauce.

Elijah Craig gets a lot of praise, too.  It's OK.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Templeton Rye base spirit is made by MGP, a bioplastics food conglomerate, in Indiana. (95% rye, 5% barley) That base spirit is sold to several different brands to make several different whiskeys like Templeton Rye, Bulleit Rye, Willet, George Dickel Rye, etc.

So long story short, it may not be made in your home state.

You are not wrong.  Rye is a whole 'nother thread and I could go on an on.  Can't beat the Sazerac rye if/when you can get it. 

Here's a fun read which can maybe also give Euge some guidance on what to try next. 

http://www.gq.com/life/food/201311/bourbon-whiskey-family-tree

I went on a budget bourbon spree last year (or maybe two years ago) and Ancient Age, VOB and Weller were the best of the bunch.  You can also check out StraightBourbon.com and other sites dedicated to whiskey.

I agree that Ancient Age is not too bad rot gut, but it's not great and less than OK in my opinion. very old Barton is rot gut though. Shocked you find it acceptable. But just goes to show you different strokes....

I certainly don't think Maker's is a great bourbon, but is is great for the price. In fact, for the price and for commonly found bourbons I think it is about as good as you'll find.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: AmandaK on December 12, 2013, 06:47:47 PM
I also found Four Roses Yellow Label to be acceptable for making bourbon infusions. I made an apple pie bourbon that's not half bad with Four Roses. $20 for 1.75L.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 12, 2013, 07:34:51 PM
very old Barton is rot gut though. Shocked you find it acceptable. But just goes to show you different strokes....

Haven't bought it in a couple years.  Better than Evan Williams for sure, but like I said it needed some water.  We're talking $12 fifths and at that price point I thought it was among the better ones I tried.  And I tried a whole bunch. I guess it's kind of like arguing about who is the tallest midget. I don't recommend any of the Heaven Hill bottles, BTW.

Have you had any of the Weller?  I'd be interested in your take.  My recollection is the Special Reserve was pretty good.  I had a bottle of the Antique and found it a little rough.  In the same vein as the VOB.  Needed some water.  A bit harsh.  And of course I bought the 1.75L.

I'd like to try the Ancient Ancient Age, which is supposed to be outstanding.  But apparently you can only get it in Louisville or some deal like that.

I don't mean to knock Maker's.  I've had plenty and may pick up a bottle with the holiday packaging and two free glasses.  But it's just sort of middle of the road.  I think there's better for the price point.  But you can also go the other way and spend a lot on a mediocre whiskey, so Maker's is a solid and safe bet.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 12, 2013, 08:26:47 PM
Agree w/Maker's being middle of the road. No argument there. But for an everyday whickey it does the job for me. I'd much prefer a higher end bourbon for everyday, but I'm poor. :(

I have enjoyed Wellers but can't find it anywhere here. They had a wheat out a few years ago that was great.

As far as Evan Williams goes there was an Evan Williams single barrel bourbon out a few years ago that was very good for the $20 price. I might even go as far as to say outstanding - for $20.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 12, 2013, 08:29:54 PM
Thanks for the replies! I wasn't really meaning bourbon but now realize that the class is inseparable from American whiskeys. And to be sure I'm not really aware of the distinction other than Kentucky Bourbon appellation.

Makers, Weller, Ancient Age, Wild Turkey... Hell they all sound great to me! Aiming at maybe a new bottle every week but not wanting to break the bank either.

And I almost always drink liquor neat or on the rocks. Occasionally, I'll do club soda but even that smacks of being a real pussy. ::) I want to investigate the flavor! Roll it on my tongue.

And never a hangover drinking that way.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 12, 2013, 08:43:35 PM
In hot weather I like a bourbon with ginger ale.  Can't be beat.  Mix it strong and keep 'em coming.

I'll keep my eye out for Evan William's single barrel.  All I've seen is the black label.

Someone should start a thread on rye.  I've got opinions on rye, too!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 12, 2013, 09:01:26 PM
Thanks for the replies! I wasn't really meaning bourbon but now realize that the class is inseparable from American whiskeys. And to be sure I'm not really aware of the distinction other than Kentucky Bourbon appellation.

Makers, Weller, Ancient Age, Wild Turkey... Hell they all sound great to me! Aiming at maybe a new bottle every week but not wanting to break the bank either.

And I almost always drink liquor neat or on the rocks. Occasionally, I'll do club soda but even that smacks of being a real pussy. ::) I want to investigate the flavor! Roll it on my tongue.

And never a hangover drinking that way.

I told you, I'm a bourbon drinker. ;) Canadian Whiskey, Scotch, not so much. I do enjoy some Irish Whiskey though. Love me some Rye as well but normally prefer just plain old bourbon.

FYI Wild Turkey is "ok" but the Rare Breed is exceptional IMO.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 12, 2013, 09:31:17 PM
I do enjoy some Irish Whiskey though.

Top three?

Here're mine:

Red Breast - 15 year
Jameson 12 year reserve
Tullamore Dew 10 year
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on December 13, 2013, 12:53:40 AM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned Jim Beam Black. It's pretty nice for a $20 bottle of hooch, IMO.

I like bourbon, but it's rare for me to find one that really wows me. Knob Creek is my favorite "top shelf" bourbon, and my bottle of Blanton's is one of my treasured possessions. But otherwise, most other bourbons are passable but don't hold my interest the way Scotch does.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 13, 2013, 12:59:04 AM
Agreed on Scotch.  I like good bourbon, but no comparison for me. Single malt rocks.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: lornemagill on December 13, 2013, 01:38:36 AM
if you like peat try Ardmore, I think its a blend but is pretty good and only $23.  if you want to go higher end peat try Ardbeg, awesome.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 13, 2013, 01:45:32 AM
I've had Ardberg and I agree !  Very good.  I'll keep an eye out for the other.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on December 13, 2013, 03:33:23 AM
if you like peat try Ardmore, I think its a blend but is pretty good and only $23.  if you want to go higher end peat try Ardbeg, awesome.

If you're into peat, then the Islay whiskies are the ones you're after. In particular, the three on the southern coast (Ardbeg, Laphroiag and Lagavulin) have the biggest peat character. They pick up this briny, iodine character from being on the coast that combines with the smoke in amazing ways. Almost tastes like bacon.

The other Islay distilleries (Bruichladdich, Caol Ila and Bunnahabhain) still have quite a bit of smoke, but they're a lot more balanced. Scapa and Talisker are other island distilleries that are in a similar vein to the Islay ones with quite a bit of smoke. Both are also excellent.

Yes, I'm as much of a peat-head as i am a hop-head :)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 13, 2013, 08:32:19 AM
Agreed on Scotch.  I like good bourbon, but no comparison for me. Single malt rocks.

Disagreed. I like bourbon. You guys can keep the scotch. I never found the taste for the stuff. And I realley detest peat, in whiskey and beer.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 13, 2013, 01:18:25 PM
Totally agree on the peat in beer part.  I like it in Scotch just fine, but the worst examples of Scottish ale (for me) have the out of place peated malt. Sucks in Scottish ale IMO.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: mabrungard on December 13, 2013, 02:00:29 PM
Disagreed. I like bourbon. You guys can keep the scotch. I never found the taste for the stuff. And I realley detest peat, in whiskey and beer.

I had never tasted Scotch prior to this year. But when I did, all I could think as a BJCP judge was: Defect...chlorophenols.  The experience also helped me realize that some people just aren't very sensitive to chlorophenol in beer either. Possibly because they either don't taste it or think it's an attribute (probably from drinking scotch!).
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 13, 2013, 02:13:11 PM
Disagreed. I like bourbon. You guys can keep the scotch. I never found the taste for the stuff. And I realley detest peat, in whiskey and beer.

I had never tasted Scotch prior to this year. But when I did, all I could think as a BJCP judge was: Defect...chlorophenols.  The experience also helped me realize that some people just aren't very sensitive to chlorophenol in beer either. Possibly because they either don't taste it or think it's an attribute (probably from drinking scotch!).

I think you just nailed it. to me, every time I drink scotch it tastes like an off flavor. Chlorophenols seem to fit the bill. I'm not a beer judge but I do have a very sensitive pallet.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 13, 2013, 02:29:57 PM
All this talk about whiskey has made me happy it's the weekend. I haven't had a bourbon in 2 or 3 weeks and I think I'll pick me up something nice tonight. :)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: reverseapachemaster on December 13, 2013, 03:06:12 PM
Disagreed. I like bourbon. You guys can keep the scotch. I never found the taste for the stuff. And I realley detest peat, in whiskey and beer.

I had never tasted Scotch prior to this year. But when I did, all I could think as a BJCP judge was: Defect...chlorophenols.  The experience also helped me realize that some people just aren't very sensitive to chlorophenol in beer either. Possibly because they either don't taste it or think it's an attribute (probably from drinking scotch!).

What kind of scotch were you drinking? I could get on board with that idea on peated scotches but mainland scotches won't have that medicinal flavor of chlorophenols. There is a harder mineral taste in them than bourbon or Canadian whiskey but not chlorophenols.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: brewmichigan on December 13, 2013, 03:25:28 PM
I don't think I've seen anyone mention Eagle Rare. For the price, my favorite bourbon. Also, where are you finding Makers for 20 a bottle. It's easily 25-28 where I live. Taxes? Eagle Rare is 31 and much better than Makers IMHO.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 13, 2013, 03:27:30 PM
Disagreed. I like bourbon. You guys can keep the scotch. I never found the taste for the stuff. And I realley detest peat, in whiskey and beer.

I had never tasted Scotch prior to this year. But when I did, all I could think as a BJCP judge was: Defect...chlorophenols.  The experience also helped me realize that some people just aren't very sensitive to chlorophenol in beer either. Possibly because they either don't taste it or think it's an attribute (probably from drinking scotch!).

What kind of scotch were you drinking? I could get on board with that idea on peated scotches but mainland scotches won't have that medicinal flavor of chlorophenols. There is a harder mineral taste in them than bourbon or Canadian whiskey but not chlorophenols.

+1.  Not all scotches are created equal. There is a huge variety in terms of peatiness/smokiness, from heavy all the way down to basically none. I've never gotten a medicinal flavor from a scotch.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 13, 2013, 03:34:47 PM
Eagle rare is very good too. Might be my choice tonight.

Re:scotch. I used to subscribe to Malt Advocate years and years ago and they were I've scotch enthusiasts and I tried many of the scotches they recommended that I could afford and the range was from diesel to road tar to salty to some other flavor I find in bourbons I don't care for (if anyone has had Pearse Lyons reserve) and I just have never found them pleasant. No ones fault, just not my drink.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 13, 2013, 04:17:50 PM
I can get Maker's for just under $20 here. However, I've come to find wine and spirits are generally cheaper than in other places. Beer not so much. :(

What I get out of peaty scotch was iodine, but that could just be the Island scotch(s) tried.

Regarding "Entry level": which to me means no wild, odd or unique characteristics reserved for the discerning whiskey drinker's palate. I want to work myself up to being a connoisseur.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 13, 2013, 04:46:58 PM
Agreed on Scotch.  I like good bourbon, but no comparison for me. Single malt rocks.

Disagreed. I like bourbon. You guys can keep the scotch. I never found the taste for the stuff. And I realley detest peat, in whiskey and beer.

I keep Scotch in the cabinet for my father and for guests.  It rarely, if ever, crosses my palate.  I try to keep one bottle of lowland and one highland.

Eagle Rare is good stuff.  I can get behind that.  One of my new favorites is Noah's Mill (did I say that already), but it's not $20 bourbon.

Regarding "Entry level": which to me means no wild, odd or unique characteristics reserved for the discerning whiskey drinker's palate. I want to work myself up to being a connoisseur.

As far as bourbon, you won't get much wild or odd flavors.  If it's got rye in the bill, it will be sharper.  The Wellers are wheated whiskeys, IIRC, as are most of the Willets.  Willet tends to be pricier.  I believe the wheated whiskeys may be smoother.  Not positive, but I think Makers is wheated.

If you want to try Scotch, I'd go with a highland whiskey.  My recollection is they are smoother, less peaty, not briney.  But they still have the problem of tasting like Scotch.  Or maybe start with a blend, rather than jumping right on the single malts.  Johnny Walker is mass produced and most single malt people will turn up their noses, but it might be a decent starting point.  Scotch is an acquired taste which I do not intend to acquire.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 13, 2013, 04:51:02 PM
But they still have the problem of tasting like Scotch.

That's pretty funny right there what you did.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on December 13, 2013, 05:15:29 PM
Disagreed. I like bourbon. You guys can keep the scotch. I never found the taste for the stuff. And I realley detest peat, in whiskey and beer.

I had never tasted Scotch prior to this year. But when I did, all I could think as a BJCP judge was: Defect...chlorophenols.  The experience also helped me realize that some people just aren't very sensitive to chlorophenol in beer either. Possibly because they either don't taste it or think it's an attribute (probably from drinking scotch!).

Never could develop a taste for rauchbier for that reason.  I love German bier styles, but when I was in Bamberg  I found a style I couldn't drink.  Tastes like a bottle of band aids to me.

I like the peated Scotches and love smoked food, but just can't take the perception of phenols in smoked beer.

Favorite whiskey-wise, I love my Uncle Jessie's Sour Mash.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: tschmidlin on December 13, 2013, 06:08:07 PM
I had some Evan Williams for the first time last night and found it to be undrinkable.  It was passable in an old fashioned, but neat it was awful.  I prefer Beam for blending.  I don't drink much bourbon.

Whisky on the other hand, I love.  I don't drink it very often, so when I do I want the good stuff.  I finished off the last of a bottle of Balvenie last week.  I had some Ardbeg Galileo a couple of weeks ago that was really outstanding.

I love smoked beers, but hate peated malt and Briess cherry smoked malt in beer.  They are too harsh and phenolic.  That I hate those but love a really peaty whisky probably makes no sense, but that's the way it is.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 13, 2013, 06:16:43 PM
I had some Evan Williams for the first time last night and found it to be undrinkable.  It was passable in an old fashioned, but neat it was awful.  I prefer Beam for blending.  I don't drink much bourbon.

Whisky on the other hand, I love.  I don't drink it very often, so when I do I want the good stuff.  I finished off the last of a bottle of Balvenie last week.  I had some Ardbeg Galileo a couple of weeks ago that was really outstanding.

I love smoked beers, but hate peated malt and Briess cherry smoked malt in beer.  They are too harsh and phenolic.  That I hate those but love a really peaty whisky probably makes no sense, but that's the way it is.

My tastes exactly. I remember the first Scottish ale I made - I used the peated malt back in the day believing that was the right thing to do and HATED it. Gave it all away. But I love Balvenie, Ardberg, Glenmorangie, Lagavulin, Talisker, etc all day long.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: tschmidlin on December 13, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
My tastes exactly. I remember the first Scottish ale I made - I used the peated malt back in the day believing that was the right thing to do and HATED it. Gave it all away. But I love Balvenie, Ardberg, Glenmorangie, Lagavulin, Talisker, etc all day long.
I love those all too.  And a good Laphroaig as well, I have some Laphroaig Cairdeas that is awesome.  The local store has some of the Glenmorangie Ealanta on the shelf, I drool over that but it's out of my price range.  It takes me a long time to go through a bottle, but that just spreads out the enjoyment.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 13, 2013, 06:42:07 PM
I had some Evan Williams for the first time last night and found it to be undrinkable. 

Yeah, Evan Williams is rot gut. The Single Barrel is very good though - surprisingly good. Least it used to be when I last had it, but that was over 10 years ago probably.

If you just got plain old Evan Williams and atempted to drink that straight ..... that's funny.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 13, 2013, 06:55:43 PM
If you just got plain old Evan Williams and atempted to drink that straight ..... that's funny.

I have done so.  Recently.  Not so funny.

Single Barrel is $27 at Binny's.  I need to check my local and see if they have it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: tschmidlin on December 13, 2013, 07:08:09 PM
If you just got plain old Evan Williams and atempted to drink that straight ..... that's funny.
It was a catered private party, that was the only brown liquor they had.  It was worth it to know that I never need to try Evan Williams again. :)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: thebigbaker on December 13, 2013, 07:23:58 PM
My tastes exactly. I remember the first Scottish ale I made - I used the peated malt back in the day believing that was the right thing to do and HATED it. Gave it all away. But I love Balvenie, Ardberg, Glenmorangie, Lagavulin, Talisker, etc all day long.
I love those all too.  And a good Laphroaig as well, I have some Laphroaig Cairdeas that is awesome.  The local store has some of the Glenmorangie Ealanta on the shelf, I drool over that but it's out of my price range.  It takes me a long time to go through a bottle, but that just spreads out the enjoyment.

I really like all those too.  Every year about this time my local liquor store emails me a gift card for $10 that can be used on anything.  They also usually have a sale on a couple of their scotches and this year they have  Glenlivet 12 on sale yesterday and today for $24.99.  So I was able to pick that up for $15!  Last year they had Macallan 12 on a one day sale for $35 so I was able to pick that up for $25. 

Last year I had a client that gave me a bottle of Glenmorangie 18 as a gift!  They won it at the company Christmas party and they don't drink scotch, so they just gave it to me! 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: tschmidlin on December 13, 2013, 07:49:37 PM
My tastes exactly. I remember the first Scottish ale I made - I used the peated malt back in the day believing that was the right thing to do and HATED it. Gave it all away. But I love Balvenie, Ardberg, Glenmorangie, Lagavulin, Talisker, etc all day long.
I love those all too.  And a good Laphroaig as well, I have some Laphroaig Cairdeas that is awesome.  The local store has some of the Glenmorangie Ealanta on the shelf, I drool over that but it's out of my price range.  It takes me a long time to go through a bottle, but that just spreads out the enjoyment.

I really like all those too.  Every year about this time my local liquor store emails me a gift card for $10 that can be used on anything.  They also usually have a sale on a couple of their scotches and this year they have  Glenlivet 12 on sale yesterday and today for $24.99.  So I was able to pick that up for $15!  Last year they had Macallan 12 on a one day sale for $35 so I was able to pick that up for $25. 

Last year I had a client that gave me a bottle of Glenmorangie 18 as a gift!  They won it at the company Christmas party and they don't drink scotch, so they just gave it to me! 
That's just awesome. :)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 13, 2013, 07:52:08 PM
If you just got plain old Evan Williams and atempted to drink that straight ..... that's funny.
It was a catered private party, that was the only brown liquor they had.  It was worth it to know that I never need to try Evan Williams again. :)

I was at one of those last night.  They were pouring Jack Daniels.  I think they also had Crown Royal.

I went with the Bombay Sapphire.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 13, 2013, 07:55:24 PM
My tastes exactly. I remember the first Scottish ale I made - I used the peated malt back in the day believing that was the right thing to do and HATED it. Gave it all away. But I love Balvenie, Ardberg, Glenmorangie, Lagavulin, Talisker, etc all day long.
I love those all too.  And a good Laphroaig as well, I have some Laphroaig Cairdeas that is awesome.  The local store has some of the Glenmorangie Ealanta on the shelf, I drool over that but it's out of my price range.  It takes me a long time to go through a bottle, but that just spreads out the enjoyment.


Last year I had a client that gave me a bottle of Glenmorangie 18 as a gift!  They won it at the company Christmas party and they don't drink scotch, so they just gave it to me! 

Wow, that's a helluva gift !  Pretty pricey.  I tried some once - very,very good.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 13, 2013, 07:56:40 PM
I can get Maker's for just under $20 here. However, I've come to find wine and spirits are generally cheaper than in other places. Beer not so much. :(

What I get out of peaty scotch was iodine, but that could just be the Island scotch(s) tried.

Regarding "Entry level": which to me means no wild, odd or unique characteristics reserved for the discerning whiskey drinker's palate. I want to work myself up to being a connoisseur.

If I were going to prescribe an "entry" level approach to exploring whiskey...
-Start with the Canadians.  Canadian whiskeys are generally lighter, milder, easy drinking blended whiskeys.  Pendleton is sweet and caramelly, Crown is the standard for me.  There are tons of options, but that's a good place to jump off.
-Don't buy bottom shelf bourbon. You might get lucky but  spending $25-30 really improves your chances of getting something you'll enjoy.  The Four Roses Yellow Label is the best bottle under $25  I've had at $23.  I really like Woodford, Eagle Rare (spicy) and Blanton's. There is a lot of good bourbon out there.   
-Scotch-  Not my thing, at all.  Repeat step 2.
-Talk to the store owners/employees if you get a sense that they know their stuff. 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 13, 2013, 08:08:38 PM
Thanks Pinski those^^ are certainly the types of pointers I'm seeking.

The G. Dickle is quite good. I just don't think it is an entry level choice. Admittedly, the young lady who sold it to me liked it in Coke. I was actually looking for something lighter in color, flavor and complexity.

Perhaps some Seagrams or Canadian Club?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: thebigbaker on December 13, 2013, 08:09:48 PM
I goes into the closest SPEC's and ask for an entry-level whiskey. Walked out with some G. Dickle 8 classic recipe...

Is sour mash really an entry level whiskey? I was thinking of Canadian Club. Hell I could have picked Crown Royal.

Anyway I'm trying it straight. And indeed it is whiskey. I'm liking it. What should I buy next? For under $20.

One thing I would recommend is if you have stores that do any whiskey tastings, stop by and try some.  There are a couple of stores around me just outside of Denver that do a liquor tasting once a month, so a couple times a yr they have different whiskey tastings.  I "friended" a few on Facebook so I get their announcements there and I'm on a few email lists and get the info there also. 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 13, 2013, 08:14:42 PM
I goes into the closest SPEC's and ask for an entry-level whiskey. Walked out with some G. Dickle 8 classic recipe...

Is sour mash really an entry level whiskey? I was thinking of Canadian Club. Hell I could have picked Crown Royal.

Anyway I'm trying it straight. And indeed it is whiskey. I'm liking it. What should I buy next? For under $20.

One thing I would recommend is if you have stores that do any whiskey tastings, stop by and try some.  There are a couple of stores around me just outside of Denver that do a liquor tasting once a month, so a couple times a yr they have different whiskey tastings.  I "friended" a few on Facebook so I get their announcements there and I'm on a few email lists and get the info there also.

+1
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 13, 2013, 08:22:45 PM
I've found the staff at Binny's to be knowledgeable.  At least the staff that remains from before Binny's bought out Sam's.  Not all locations are the staffed equally and they don't often do tastings.

The independent small shop guys do a lot of tastings.  Thankfully, these have kept me from buying some of the craft distillery whiskeys that taste like crap.

Talking to knowledgeable staff has guided me on a lot of purchases from Scotch to Cognac, as well as recommendations on the more expensive bourbons.  Good staff should be able to find you good value with the flavor profile you're looking for. 

If they like it mixed with Coke, it means they don't like it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 13, 2013, 08:49:04 PM

If they like it mixed with Coke, it means they don't like it.

+1 Exactly!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 13, 2013, 08:50:36 PM
No, no, NO! Not Canadian whiskey! Try the makers! It's great entry level whiskey. If you want to spend some money on something that will be deliciously and smooth as can be (perhaps too smooth?) try basyl Haden's. It's about 40 bones and I promise you won't go long or miss a beat. But if money is an issue go with makers.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 13, 2013, 08:54:08 PM
Why I believe that is a resounding vote for Maker's!

Gotta a place a few blocks away so I will check pricing. If too high will have to wait until I'm near a SPECs again and can do a cash discount.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 13, 2013, 09:13:21 PM
No, no, NO! Not Canadian whiskey! Try the makers! It's great entry level whiskey. If you want to spend some money on something that will be deliciously and smooth as can be (perhaps too smooth?) try basyl Haden's. It's about 40 bones and I promise you won't go long or miss a beat. But if money is an issue go with makers.
Maker's doesn't do much for me personally.  It's not bad but I find it a bit harsh and I wouldn't really consider it entry level whiskey as it is rarely under $25 locally.  If Euge is looking to explore "Whiskey" and eventually become a connosoir, why should he limit himself to bourbon whiskey?  Although, the Basil Hayden recommendation is spot on. 
Canadian Whiskey
Bourbon Whiskey
Rye Whiskey
Scotch Whiskey
Irish Whiskey
Tennessee Sour Mash... you get the point.  There's a ton of good whiskey and nasty scotch out there to explore. 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 13, 2013, 09:33:07 PM
No, no, NO! Not Canadian whiskey! Try the makers! It's great entry level whiskey. If you want to spend some money on something that will be deliciously and smooth as can be (perhaps too smooth?) try basyl Haden's. It's about 40 bones and I promise you won't go long or miss a beat. But if money is an issue go with makers.
Maker's doesn't do much for me personally.  It's not bad but I find it a bit harsh and I wouldn't really consider it entry level whiskey as it is rarely under $25 locally.  If Euge is looking to explore "Whiskey" and eventually become a connosoir, why should he limit himself to bourbon whiskey?  Although, the Basil Hayden recommendation is spot on. 
Canadian Whiskey
Bourbon Whiskey
Rye Whiskey
Scotch Whiskey
Irish Whiskey
Tennessee Sour Mash... you get the point.  There's a ton of good whiskey and nasty scotch out there to explore.

I don't see how anyone could think it was harsh, but hey. That's me. I think Canadian whiskey is only good for blending so that's why I take that stance. I have had some very good Canadian sipping Whiskey but it was a bit more than 30 bucks a fifth.

As I said, I agree that Maker's isn't some sublime whiskey. But for the price it is very good, fairly smooth and a great entry level bourbon in my book. And usually around $20 in most places I have seen it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 13, 2013, 09:49:15 PM
Tennessee Sour Mash... you get the point.  There's a ton of good whiskey and nasty scotch out there to explore. 

Tennessee whiskey = bourbon distilled in Tennessee + marketing.

Activated charcoal filtration? Done elsewhere, too.

Sour mash?  Ubiquitous in the making of whiskey.

But your overall point I agree with.  Not sure I agree with Canadian whiskey, but I've never really been forced to explore it.  Rye whiskey is good stuff, but I don't think rye is entry level.  It can be sharp.  But good rye is good stuff.  And it makes the BEST Manhattan.

Maybe buy a couple different half pints and try them side by side?  Maybe a good starting point is several of the mass market "decent" whiskeys in half pints.  That way, your investment isn't too much and you've got some for side by side.  Can you get half-pints of Makers? You certainly can't get Basil Hayden's in half pints.

As you can see, we all (or several of us) have strong opinions on whiskey.

Major - How about Black Maple Hill?  That's some good stuff, too. 

I'm starting to sound like a rummy.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 13, 2013, 10:08:41 PM
I went by my local and their prices tend to be at least a couple bucks more but the convenience is worth it. The Maker's was $26/fifth. The Ancient Age bourbon was $14. Most of the good stuff was in the high 20's and 30's...

I opted for the J.T.S. Brown at $11 per. Sipping some now.. Big difference from the Dickle. Now this is entry level!

Quite good.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 13, 2013, 10:09:38 PM
Actually, Tennessee whiskey must be charcoal filtered to be considered Tennessee whiskey as well as being made in Tennessee.

Haven't had the black maple hill. Will look for it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 13, 2013, 10:11:06 PM
I opted for the J.T.S. Brown at $11 per. Sipping some now.. Big difference from the Dickle. Now this is entry level!


Oh well. Can't say I didn't try to steer you right. I tried.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 13, 2013, 10:17:10 PM
I opted for the J.T.S. Brown at $11 per. Sipping some now.. Big difference from the Dickle. Now this is entry level!


Oh well. Can't say I didn't try to steer you right. I tried.
You can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped.   ;D     I kid Euge.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on December 13, 2013, 11:24:28 PM
Sour mash?  Ubiquitous in the making of whiskey.

Not true.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 13, 2013, 11:40:40 PM
I opted for the J.T.S. Brown at $11 per. Sipping some now.. Big difference from the Dickle. Now this is entry level!


Oh well. Can't say I didn't try to steer you right. I tried.
You can't help someone that doesn't want to be helped.   ;D     I kid Euge.

Quote from: euge
Even though I knew better- I did it anyway...

Nah the bourbon is fine. Just what I was looking for to get some sort of baseline going. I'll price the Weller and Maker's at SPECs.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 13, 2013, 11:45:52 PM
Sour mash?  Ubiquitous in the making of whiskey.

Not true.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 14, 2013, 12:06:44 AM
Perhaps "ubiquitous" is overstating it. But it's not confined to Tennessee whiskey.

Edit: BTW, Chuck Cowdery who is something of an expert in bourbon claims here that all the major distilleries employ the sour mash technique: http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2011/02/buffalo-trace-demonstrates-another-way.html?m=1

Which would make it ubiquitous and at the least nothing particularly out of the norm.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on December 14, 2013, 01:44:43 AM
I must be using another definition of ubiquitous.

A couple of things about the article:
not all American distilleries use sour mash fermentation techniques.  Particularly if they are not making sour mash whiskey.

1:3 or 1:4 use of backset will inhibit fermentation:  at that application rate you will be attempting to start fermentation with a pH level in the high 2s.    20% (1:5) is the highest level of backset addition that I have found to be sustainable over repeated iterations.  Although, I think there is something else in the backset that inhibits yeast growth, in addition to acidification.  The inhibition effect intensifies with successive iterations, even when the pH is adjusted to an optimal range.   
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: klickitat jim on December 14, 2013, 01:49:17 AM
According to Bruce Willis in The Seige, M16s are "ubiquitous". I always wondered what that meant, but now I know it means "from Tennessee" .
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 14, 2013, 01:59:02 AM
I must be using another definition of ubiquitous.

No.  I doubt it.  Like I said, I may have overstated, but to my knowledge (not gleaned from first person visits or interviews) sour mash is a common practice in the production of bourbon which you are more likely than not to find.  Pretty much everyone employs it, though not all.  Even the local distiller I am most familiar with produces whiskeys that cannot be bourbon (grain bill) they employ (IIRC after a night of sampling) a sour mash in making their various whiskeys.

I can't speak to the ratios. Nor to anything related to actually producing whiskey.  Other than what I've learned from observation, reading, etc.

Nor am I suggesting that producers of Scotch whisky or Canadian whiskey employ this technique.  I have no idea.  My comments were restricted to the production of commercial bourbon.

My larger point was that there is nothing that Jack Daniels is doing in producing Tennessee Whiskey that is different from bourbon production.  Neither sour mash nor charcoal filtration is limited to Tennessee nor do they produce something that is not bourbon.  JD is bourbon.  The Tennessee Whiskey appellation is a marketing gimmick.  Even if they succeed in getting DOC status, which I seem to recall they were going for with respect to the European market.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 14, 2013, 02:03:20 AM
Just wanna say, after talking up the merits of single malts all day, I'm enjoying the hell out of some Knob Creek tonight. Good whiskey beats beats bad whiskey, bourbon or malt.       ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 14, 2013, 02:15:20 AM
Just wanna say, after talking up the merits of single malts all day, I'm enjoying the hell out of some Knob Creek tonight. Good whiskey beats beats bad whiskey, bourbon or malt.       ;)
Cheers to that! Two fingers please.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: thebigbaker on December 14, 2013, 02:18:28 AM
According to Bruce Willis in The Seige, M16s are "ubiquitous". I always wondered what that meant, but now I know it means "from Tennessee" .

Well, then as big fan of Alabama football, I hate anything that's "ubiquitous!"
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 14, 2013, 04:44:11 AM
According to Bruce Willis in The Seige, M16s are "ubiquitous". I always wondered what that meant, but now I know it means "from Tennessee" .

FTW!!!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on December 14, 2013, 07:24:47 AM
According to Bruce Willis in The Seige, M16s are "ubiquitous". I always wondered what that meant, but now I know it means "from Tennessee" .

FTW!!!

The movie Lawless (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1212450/) combines sour mash and carbines, but that was Virginia whiskey and back then I believe Thompson .45s and BARs were ubiquitous.  I've shot all three.  The Tompson is very cool (tends to pull off target), but I like the BAR the best. (.45 vs .30-06).   M16 comes in a pale 3rd place.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 14, 2013, 02:19:45 PM
I have never had J.T.S. Brown and can't find out much about it except that it is a Heaven Hill product and that it was also Fast Eddie's drink of choice in the Hustler, which I admit to finding worthy in of itself to be at least sampled.

But Euge, I think you are missing the point. I don't consider the whiskeys you are trying to be "entry level" whiskey's at all. This is like trying to get an entry level craft beer and starting at Meister Brau. None of those bourbon's are going to give you a good idea of what a good bourbon is going to taste like.

Maker's Mark is like the Sam Adams of craft beer. Its a good place to start. I think you will find the flavors more pleasant and smoother than any of the cheap ass rot gut whiskey you are attempting to try to understand. Just sayin'.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 1vertical on December 14, 2013, 03:43:03 PM
Available in a pint is one I enjoyed and worth a mention IMO 
Walkers Deluxe.....a pint won't break the bank and you can have
a little taste.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: tschmidlin on December 14, 2013, 07:20:32 PM
I have never had J.T.S. Brown and can't find out much about it except that it is a Heaven Hill product and that it was also Fast Eddie's drink of choice in the Hustler, which I admit to finding worthy in of itself to be at least sampled.

But Euge, I think you are missing the point. I don't consider the whiskeys you are trying to be "entry level" whiskey's at all. This is like trying to get an entry level craft beer and starting at Meister Brau. None of those bourbon's are going to give you a good idea of what a good bourbon is going to taste like.

Maker's Mark is like the Sam Adams of craft beer. Its a good place to start. I think you will find the flavors more pleasant and smoother than any of the cheap ass rot gut whiskey you are attempting to try to understand. Just sayin'.
I'm with Keith.  Trying all of the crap to work up to the good stuff makes no sense.  Start with the good stuff, save up for the great stuff.  Long ago I counted myself among those who do not like beer.  Turns out I just didn't like the crappy lagers I had been drinking (and still don't).
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 14, 2013, 08:15:52 PM
I understand guys on setting the bar a bit higher for the entry point. The JTS Brown ain't half bad at all so for the price it may go into rotation. Maybe I just got lucky but there were other labels that weren't so appealing- like McCormicks!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 14, 2013, 08:21:20 PM
Maker's Mark is like the Sam Adams of craft beer. 

Good way of putting it.

I do think (obviously from my earlier comments) you can find decent bottom shelf whiskey, but a random shotgun sampling of the bottom shelf is not what I'd advise.

Just checking prices on-line at Binny's, you could get Four Roses yellow label for the same price (at least here) as JTS Brown.  Interestingly, Brown gets some decent reviews on the bourbon forums.  Who knows?  I'm sure someone out there likes Evan Williams.

Eagle Rare and Buffalo Trace both are available in 375ml and under $20.  I really think small bottles and comparison tasting is a good way to go.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on December 14, 2013, 09:02:46 PM
Taste a few.  Find a whiskey reviewer whose tastes align with yours, and try ones they recommend.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: guido on December 14, 2013, 10:17:10 PM
I used to be a big fan of Makers Mark...until I found Woodford Reserve.  You can get a small bottle for around $20.  Great deal.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: coastsidemike on December 15, 2013, 03:03:37 AM
Maker's Mark is like the Sam Adams of craft beer. 

Good way of putting it.

I don't think the comparison works, saying that after visiting Maker's Mark in Louisville.  What I observed was slightly more than 75 bourbons on their menu, with some surprisingly unbiased opinion to try bourbons grouped by style.  My takeaway from visiting with them was to appreciate the regional culture and the efforts of individual distillers.   I'm not much of a bourbon drinker but now like to see some variety on hand.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 15, 2013, 12:39:04 PM
I used to be a big fan of Makers Mark...until I found Woodford Reserve.  You can get a small bottle for around $20.  Great deal.

I like woodford a lot. It is about $10 more than Makers 'round here. Still buy a bottle every now and then but rotate my mid shelf purchases.

FWIW woodford, when it first was released, was close to sublime and a great deal @ ~$30 per fifth. It's lost a little of it's complexity over the years and is not quite the whiskey it once was, but still very good.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 15, 2013, 02:44:33 PM
Worked last evening so on my lunch break ran over to SPECs and picked up some Makers and Bulleit 95 rye. I'll address price first: the Makers was $17 and the Bulleit was $19. The lady by my house wanted $26 and change for the same Makers!

Secondly: I can see Makers as an entry-level Bourbon. Not harsh just about the right dark sweetness and nice finish. The Bulleit I really like. Floral and spicy. Sharper but not harsh. Slight medicinal quality. Will most likely become my house whiskey...

Still I'd like to give a thumbs up for the JTS Brown though it is significantly harsher, less sweet and has a mouthfeel sorta on the thin side.

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 15, 2013, 03:53:11 PM
Hooray! I definitely keep my eye out for the JTS Brown now, especially for the novelty of Fast Eddie. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 16, 2013, 02:56:42 PM
FWIW woodford, when it first was released, was close to sublime and a great deal @ ~$30 per fifth. It's lost a little of it's complexity over the years and is not quite the whiskey it once was, but still very good.

I bet this is related to the increased popularity of whiskey and rye.

There are a couple labels that I know hit the shelves and are gone quickly.  Last time I looked for Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye you couldn't get it and probably not for a couple years.  Which also factors into the crazy prices for Pappy.

Maybe Woodford is rushing (I know, hard to rush aging) some part of the process or taking a short cut to get more product to the market.

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 16, 2013, 03:50:57 PM
I'm late to the party, but do enjoy trying Bourbon's. I'm not a purist, but always try it neat and on the rocks before heading off in other directions. I personally don't like Woodford, to me it is harsh, alcoholic and has an acidity I despise. I also don't like Booker's, too alcoholic for my tastes.

I like Buffalo Trace, Eagle Rare and Blanton's and all come from the same distillery. That might explain why I like them all. For the money BT and ER are tits.

I also like Knob Creek, Basil Hayden, and Bakers.

I've been working on Four Roses Small Batch and to me it is just a little boring and slightly harsh. If you really, really want boring get some Jefferson. Lexington bourbon (the brand) is pure monkey juice. Larceny wasn't bad at all when I got it for $15 after a $10 rebate. At $25 I'd go for something else. ;)

I recently had some Reservoir from Richmond, VA which is stupid expensive and just not enjoyable to consume. Harsh, acidic and alcoholic.

Bulleit I like, but I'm currently out of at home.

I believe Four Roses Single Barrel is on sale at our state owned liquor stores so I may go out today and grab a bottle.

If you want to know the lineage of Bourbon, GQ had a recent article which had a nice graphic.
http://mashbang.wordpress.com/2013/11/17/gq-the-bourbon-family-tree/
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 16, 2013, 11:22:51 PM
FWIW Four Roses Single Barrel is great. It was great neat and on the rocks.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 16, 2013, 11:48:41 PM
FWIW Four Roses Single Barrel is great. It was great neat and on the rocks.
+11 my favorite!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 17, 2013, 01:20:19 AM
Bookers is very special to me. I know it is very harsh and has a sharp alcoholic taste when consumed neat, but try it with a splash of water. It really opens up then and becomes very enjoyable, though it is not a sooth bourbon even with the splash. But layers of flavors: tobacco, leather, vanilla and wood.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 17, 2013, 01:45:23 AM
I just put a small splash in some makers. Not bad but I may try a cube next time.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 17, 2013, 12:37:34 PM
FWIW Four Roses Single Barrel is great. It was great neat and on the rocks.
+11 my favorite!

Agreed.  Worth every penny, IMO.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 17, 2013, 12:38:26 PM
I know it is very harsh and has a sharp alcoholic taste when consumed neat, but try it with a splash of water. It really opens up then and becomes very enjoyable, though it is not a sooth bourbon even with the splash.

Sounds like VOB...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 17, 2013, 01:05:45 PM
I've tried Booker's every which way but loose and it's dead to me. Too much money for very little enjoyment. Pass.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: tumarkin on December 17, 2013, 02:36:44 PM
Digression & Whisky Geek Alert.....

Ok, so I was reading an article in the recent Winter 2013 issue of Whiskey Advocate. It was a profile on London bartender, Tristan Stephenson. Within the article was the following gem of a paragraph....

"I made an Instant Rob Roy where I roto-vapped Highland Park (splitting it into distillate and extractives; ie, wood)" he explains. "I then cut the extract with water and made it into ice cubes.. The clear distillate was made into a Rob Roy, into which I popped in the ice cube, so that when you drank it, the drink 'aged.' It's a way to discover the effect of oak, and it's fun" Fun and whisky? It might just catch on.

Now, I have no idea if the reality matches what he says he's achieved; but, to me, he gets huge points for concept. Brilliant.

I didn't know what a rotovap is, so I googled it & found this article by Tristan which pretty well lays it out -

http://www.diffordsguide.com/class-magazine/read-online/en/2012-01-24/page-4/rotovaps-for-dummies

Oh, by the way, I googled 'used rotovap' and it looks like they range from just under a grand to $3500+. So, not something I'm going to play with at home.

I have my doubts about the cocktail anyway, but I'd love to drink one to see if it really works. Firstly, does the rotovap really break down the whisky into aged components and what would essentially be new make whisky? Maybe, could be, but I have my doubts. If it did, would the experience really provide a sense of the drink 'aging' as the ice melts. Again, I don't know but I'd love to find out. Even if not, huge kudos to Tristan for the idea alone!

Oh, and since I don't want to totally hijack this thread .... Highland Park rocks - but decidedly not an entry level whisky on the basis of price. However, it's very approachable for a newbie, but also has the complexity & depth to keep you coming back. Older is better, though more expensive, but even the base 12 year expression is fantastic - about $50-55 I believe.

Single malts keep going up in price steadily, dammit. I wish I liked bourbons as good bourbons are significantly cheaper than single malts, but they're generally too sweet for my taste (though there are exceptions). I limit my bourbon drinking mostly to friend's bottles for that reason, but I'd agree that Four Roses Single Barrel is a very good whiskey.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Jimmy K on December 17, 2013, 05:55:14 PM
Seems like it could be a small column still. The main runnings would be the spirit (just ethanol mostly) and the heads/tails would contain the flavor compounds.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on December 17, 2013, 07:14:55 PM
Rotovap?  Distilling is distilling, whether you draw a vacuum on the column or not.  The TTB will not care at what temperatures the ethanol was vaporized and recondensed at.

Heads play little role in whiskey flavors (but a huge role in hangovers).  That's where the perceived "heat" comes from.  Tails play a bit more of a role in flavors (and hangovers).  Wood is where the major flavor components (and color) come from.

Learning to recognize heads and tails in whiskey has ruined my taste for most commercial whiskeys. 
Age is not the only factor affecting the price of whiskey.  Quality whiskey can be young and quite delicious if it is made from deep heart cuts.

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: redbeerman on December 17, 2013, 09:13:16 PM
Rotovap?  Distilling is distilling, whether you draw a vacuum on the column or not.  The TTB will not care at what temperatures the ethanol was vaporized and recondensed at.

Heads play little role in whiskey flavors (but a huge role in hangovers).  That's where the perceived "heat" comes from.  Tails play a bit more of a role in flavors (and hangovers).  Wood is where the major flavor components (and color) come from.

Learning to recognize heads and tails in whiskey has ruined my taste for most commercial whiskeys. 
Age is not the only factor affecting the price of whiskey.  Quality whiskey can be young and quite delicious if it is made from deep heart cuts.

Yep.  I've had rye whiskey so smooth and sweet, it's almost like drinking nothing, except for it'll kick yer a$$.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 24, 2013, 11:02:17 PM
Went to the store to get some diapers and returned instead with a bottle of Henry McKenna sour mash straight Bourbon. I'm on a budget right now so at a couple bucks more this is light-years above the JTS Brown. Smooth and lacking of the ashtray quality of the aforementioned JTS.

BTW, they all say "Kentucky's finest"... Someone's lying by god.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: gmac on December 24, 2013, 11:37:57 PM
I started reading all 7 pages and then I got bored.
I did see some reference to Canadian Club. My go to rye is CC Classic. 12 yr old, oak aged and yummy.
Scotch of choice is lagavulin. Bourbon never wound my watch. Crown is over-rated. But now that I'm old, all hard liquor drank straight just gives me heart burn so I stick to beer. And ice is a sin.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 25, 2013, 03:24:57 AM
I started reading all 7 pages and then I got bored.
I did see some reference to Canadian Club. My go to rye is CC Classic. 12 yr old, oak aged and yummy.
Scotch of choice is lagavulin. Bourbon never wound my watch. Crown is over-rated. But now that I'm old, all hard liquor drank straight just gives me heart burn so I stick to beer. And ice is a sin.

I wouldn't expect a Canadian to understand the complexities of bourbon. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: tonyp on December 25, 2013, 09:02:58 AM
I normally only drink single malt and prefer highland/speyside. Anything with smoke/peat turns me off instantly and activates my gag reflex. If I wanted that taste in my mouth I would lick a dirty ashtray. But I digress…

Some of my favorites include:

The Balvenie 12 Double Wood
Glenmorangie Original
Glenmorangie Lasanta (Sherry finish)
Glenmorangie Quinta Ruben (Port finish)
Macallan 12
Glenlivet 12 and 18
Glenfiddich 12 and 18
Singleton of Glendullan 12
McClelland's Highland

I found this handy dandy flavor map useful when I was looking for new ones to try:

(http://www.scottishwhiskytours.co.uk/images/flavour_map_new.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 26, 2013, 01:43:29 PM
Wife got me some Booker's for Christmas. Man, this is the best bottle I ever had.  Rich leather, pecan pie and deep oak in the nose and smoother than previous years with layers of leather, wood, and a hint of butter scotch on the tongue. Paired it with a cigar from Garcia Y Garcia which was a darker cigar but on the mild side (I believe it is known as "The Sister" but I couldn't find anything about it on line. Guy at cigar shop recommended it based on my tastes to my wife.) Wonderful pairing.

Mike Dixon, you're crazy. ;) Seriously, tasting Booker's yesterday got me to thinking that a couple years ago I had a bottle I didn't care for as much and was wondering if you had sampled any other batches? Every year I get a bottle of Booker's and every year it is a little different. This batch is simply phenomenal. 'ol majorvices is gonna have a hard time staying out of the whiskey and cigars for next few days.  ::)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 26, 2013, 01:55:44 PM
That's what I like hearing! I will try some Booker's (without the cigar).

The bottle of Henry McKenna lasted two days. "Kentucky's finest table-whiskey"... What is beginning to surprise me is my capacity for Bourbon. Used to hate whiskey but favorite absinthe, campari, gin and vodka tastes like dust to me now. ???

So which is better- Ancient Age preferred blend or their slightly more expensive straight bourbon?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 27, 2013, 04:51:57 PM
I've mentioned that while I love Irish, Canadian, American and Bourbon whiskey. I just don't care much for Scotch. 
So, for Christmas my step-son gave me a book entitled "Whiskeypedia" (Scotch-centric), a set of whiskey stones and a really nice little whiskey tulip glass that looks like a tiny IPA glass. Very nice, thoughful present I thought. 
So now, I feel obligated to re-open my mind and pallette to the smoke and peat. I'd like some advice on a place to start, specifically regarding Scotch. Somewhere in the middle, I don't want to break the bank but I'm not interested in learning what bad Scotch tastes like. 

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 27, 2013, 05:21:58 PM
Personally, I skip the blended scotches though there are some solid ones - much like I like straight bourbons way better than blended Canadian types. For an entry level single malt Glenlivet 12 would be the starting point, both in price (~$ 27-29ish) and character. It's malty sweet but not overly, without a good bit of the smokey peat you don't care for.
  If you can (or want to) spend ~ $40 or $42, Balvenie DoubleWood is a steal. It's aged in ex-bourbon and sherry casks (hence the name DoubleWood), is complex, and also lacks the heavy peat/smoke character of some. It's the first bottle of single malt I bought and I still love it.

<EDIT>
I'd also add Glenmorangie as a great Scotch which is on a price range with Balvenie. I love many of the pricier, smokier scotches as well, but since you requested something fairly affordable and not too peaty I recommended these to fit the bill.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on December 27, 2013, 05:41:24 PM
I've mentioned that while I love Irish, Canadian, American and Bourbon whiskey. I just don't care much for Scotch. 
So, for Christmas my step-son gave me a book entitled "Whiskeypedia" (Scotch-centric), a set of whiskey stones and a really nice little whiskey tulip glass that looks like a tiny IPA glass. Very nice, thoughful present I thought. 
So now, I feel obligated to re-open my mind and pallette to the smoke and peat. I'd like some advice on a place to start, specifically regarding Scotch. Somewhere in the middle, I don't want to break the bank but I'm not interested in learning what bad Scotch tastes like.

For my tastes, I love Bruichladdich 10 the most. A little peaty, but mostly minerally with a lovely seaweed aroma. A friend in Scotland always tells me to get The Famous Grouse, but I have yet to get it. Otherwise, Talisker 10, and Highland Park 12 are my favorites.

To add to the rest of the thread. My favorites Irish Whiskey is John L. Sullivan. I'm also a fan of Redbreast, and Jameson Black. Bushmills Black is also great.

Bourbon favorites are Elmer T. Lee, Eagle Rare, Noah's Mill, and Preston's Double Barrel. My favorite Rye is Hi-Fi Rye Redemption (got it for $20). Any Four Roses will do as well, but the single barrels are great. The Evan Williams Single Barrels are also great, especially the 2001 version.

Cheers!
Kyle
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 27, 2013, 07:11:55 PM
Personally, I skip the blended scotches though there are some solid ones - much like I like straight bourbons way better than blended Canadian types. For an entry level single malt Glenlivet 12 would be the starting point, both in price (~$ 27-29ish) and character. It's malty sweet but not overly, without a good bit of the smokey peat you don't care for.
  If you can (or want to) spend ~ $40 or $42, Balvenie DoubleWood is a steal. It's aged in ex-bourbon and sherry casks (hence the name DoubleWood), is complex, and also lacks the heavy peat/smoke character of some. It's the first bottle of single malt I bought and I still love it.

<EDIT>
I'd also add Glenmorangie as a great Scotch which is on a price range with Balvenie. I love many of the pricier, smokier scotches as well, but since you requested something fairly affordable and not too peaty I recommended these to fit the bill.
Now that Balvenie DoubleWood sounds like something I  might like.  Perhaps a bridge from bourbon to scotch? I'll give it a shot, thanks Hoosier.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 27, 2013, 07:15:21 PM
I've mentioned that while I love Irish, Canadian, American and Bourbon whiskey. I just don't care much for Scotch. 
So, for Christmas my step-son gave me a book entitled "Whiskeypedia" (Scotch-centric), a set of whiskey stones and a really nice little whiskey tulip glass that looks like a tiny IPA glass. Very nice, thoughful present I thought. 
So now, I feel obligated to re-open my mind and pallette to the smoke and peat. I'd like some advice on a place to start, specifically regarding Scotch. Somewhere in the middle, I don't want to break the bank but I'm not interested in learning what bad Scotch tastes like.

For my tastes, I love Bruichladdich 10 the most. A little peaty, but mostly minerally with a lovely seaweed aroma. A friend in Scotland always tells me to get The Famous Grouse, but I have yet to get it. Otherwise, Talisker 10, and Highland Park 12 are my favorites.

To add to the rest of the thread. My favorites Irish Whiskey is John L. Sullivan. I'm also a fan of Redbreast, and Jameson Black. Bushmills Black is also great.

Bourbon favorites are Elmer T. Lee, Eagle Rare, Noah's Mill, and Preston's Double Barrel. My favorite Rye is Hi-Fi Rye Redemption (got it for $20). Any Four Roses will do as well, but the single barrels are great. The Evan Williams Single Barrels are also great, especially the 2001 version.

Cheers!
Kyle

Hmmm, the Bruichladdich 10 sounds interesting as well.  Ok, that gives me a couple to seek out and sample.  This looks to be a good weekend.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 27, 2013, 07:31:03 PM
Mike Dixon, you're crazy. ;) Seriously, tasting Booker's yesterday got me to thinking that a couple years ago I had a bottle I didn't care for as much and was wondering if you had sampled any other batches? Every year I get a bottle of Booker's and every year it is a little different. This batch is simply phenomenal. 'ol majorvices is gonna have a hard time staying out of the whiskey and cigars for next few days.  ::)

It is single barrel so each bottle (from a different barrel) could certainly be different. The one I had was a hot alcoholic mess. Of course I drank it, but I'll never spend another penny on it.

What I will spend coin on is Four Roses Single Barrel. At $35 it blows Booker's at $50-55 out of the water. It even gives Blanton's a run for it's money of course I know where I can get Blanton's for $22 a pint so off to the races (if you collect the little men on top).

Just picked up some Evan Williams Single Barrel to take around the block. I also recently got some Bulleit Rye and as it turns out I like it quite a bit or else the bottle has been evaporating. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 27, 2013, 07:51:04 PM
Mike Dixon, you're crazy. ;) Seriously, tasting Booker's yesterday got me to thinking that a couple years ago I had a bottle I didn't care for as much and was wondering if you had sampled any other batches? Every year I get a bottle of Booker's and every year it is a little different. This batch is simply phenomenal. 'ol majorvices is gonna have a hard time staying out of the whiskey and cigars for next few days.  ::)

It is single barrel so each bottle (from a different barrel) could certainly be different. The one I had was a hot alcoholic mess. Of course I drank it, but I'll never spend another penny on it.

What I will spend coin on is Four Roses Single Barrel. At $35 it blows Booker's at $50-55 out of the water. It even gives Blanton's a run for it's money of course I know where I can get Blanton's for $22 a pint so off to the races (if you collect the little men on top).

Just picked up some Evan Williams Single Barrel to take around the block. I also recently got some Bulleit Rye and as it turns out I like it quite a bit or else the bottle has been evaporating. ;)

Careful writing off an entire brand from an off single-barrel.  As you say, they're all different. Kinda like most of our creations.  Booker's tends to be hot in general, I find one rock does the trick and opens it up really nicely.  Four Roses single barrel is my go-to favorite and Blanton's is right there.  Pappy's is the white whale de jour and is definitely unique but over valued IMHO.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: The Professor on December 27, 2013, 08:52:15 PM
... Booker's tends to be hot in general, I find one rock does the trick and opens it up really nicely....

Booker Noe himself evidently never liked it 'straight up'...he strongly advocated cutting it with some water or at the the very least, serving it on ice.
Either way, it is a very nice whiskey.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 27, 2013, 09:26:00 PM
... Booker's tends to be hot in general, I find one rock does the trick and opens it up really nicely....

Booker Noe himself evidently never liked it 'straight up'...he strongly advocated cutting it with some water or at the the very least, serving it on ice.
Either way, it is a very nice whiskey.

Good to know because that's exactly what I've been saying for years. Also: Four Roses single barrel is $56 on store shelves here - only $4 cheaper than Bookers.

In other news, stopped by state store today and Maker's went up to $30 a bottle over night and that's not a $30 bottle of whiskey so looks like I will stop advocating for that brand. I know they are having supply problems because they had talked about lowering the ABV on it a few months back but at $30 per bottle I will definitely be choosing other bourbons that are worthy of paying that kind of money for and will overlook Maker's.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 28, 2013, 12:56:50 AM
Evan Williams Single Barrel is crap, skip it. Now I get to mix another fifth of less than stellar bourbon.

Four Roses Single Barrel is $40 most of the time here and $35 on sale. I probably could get it for less in SC. Alabama must have some stupid high taxes on liquor. NC is state run, SC is always less expensive than us, even on sale.

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 28, 2013, 02:02:16 AM
Picked up some Four Roses straight bourbon $18 and Bulleit bourbon (the non-rye) for $20. I'm assuming these are decent prices. Waiting for my call shift to end...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: gmwren on December 28, 2013, 02:55:41 AM
Thanks for the recommendation on Eagle Rare. I was never a Bourbon fan until now. Anything else similar and maybe cheaper?

Doing a Hot Scotchy tomorrow morning with some first runnings of a Wee Heavy and Dewar's.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 28, 2013, 04:55:43 AM
Picked up some Four Roses straight bourbon $18 and Bulleit bourbon (the non-rye) for $20. I'm assuming these are decent prices. Waiting for my call shift to end...

Not sure about Texas, but any bottle of Four Roses in Oregon less than $20 is very much a decent deal.  Lucky.
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 28, 2013, 02:12:45 PM
Four Roses is the smoothest bourbon yet and far better than the Makers IMO. Lightly sweet, maybe a hint of vanilla and without any aggressive oakiness or bitterness.

BTW checking the prices- the liquor store around the corner wants $12 more than SPECs for the same bottle of Makers! I guess it is only criminal if you pay. Their vodka and gin prices are not as bad but vodka is intrinsically worth less than a spirit that takes years to mature, such as Scotch or Bourbon. 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 28, 2013, 02:37:30 PM
Thanks for the recommendation on Eagle Rare. I was never a Bourbon fan until now. Anything else similar and maybe cheaper?


If you like Eagle Rare then try Buffalo Trace. It will be about $5 less per fifth and a bit more earthy. Eagle around here is only $25 per fifth.

Euge - Bulleit at 20 beans is great. I mix with it because to me it is a little boring. The interesting thing is a bottle of it or their Rye just seems to disappear.
I assume you got the Four Roses yellow label? I've not actually had that, but the Small Batch is boring, the Single Barrel is awesome.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 28, 2013, 02:59:13 PM
I dislike the regular Four Roses. It tastes cheap and rough. Haven't had single barrel so no comment. I down shifted to Bulleit because of price of Maker's and drank some last night. Again, that is a cheap and, in my honest estimation, a rough and flawed whiskey. Not worth the $23 I paid - I'd rather had Buffalo Trace for sure at same price. That said,  Buffalo Trace is pretty "OK" but far from great. Out of all of those Maker's is the smoothest and best tasting in my estimation. Still not going to pay $30 a fifth.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 28, 2013, 03:04:31 PM
Evan Williams Single Barrel is crap, skip it. Now I get to mix another fifth of less than stellar bourbon.

Bummer. It was great when I had it 10 or so years ago especially at the price. Haven't had it since then. It once got "whiskey of the year" by Malt Advocate - which is a fine honor and back when I had it I thought it well deserved the praise. But the quality may have slipped since then. OTOH from your dislikes of other whiskeys and the whiskey's you say are superior to one's I think are less than fantastic perhaps our pallets may not align. I'd love to do a whiskey tasting with you. How do we set that up? ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on December 28, 2013, 03:16:12 PM
vodka is intrinsically worth less than a spirit that takes years to mature, such as Scotch or Bourbon.

That is an interesting statement.  Age = value
It completely discounts the artisanal aspects of distilling.
.
Old s***ty whiskey is still s***ty whiskey
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 28, 2013, 03:21:20 PM
vodka is intrinsically worth less than a spirit that takes years to mature, such as Scotch or Bourbon.

That is an interesting statement.  Age = value
It completely discounts the artisanal aspects of distilling.
.
Old s***ty whiskey is still s***ty whiskey

I hate vodka, so to me his statements makes sense. Sure, there is an art to distilling. But there is more art to tasting and blending. A good whiskey has been either blended with other whiskey's or selected from a single barrel (or several select barrels). A "good" vodka simply is a clean and well distilled spirit. But it is utterly boring, unrefined and not worth contemplation. Age it for a few years in American Oak and we might have something to talk about. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on December 28, 2013, 03:29:19 PM
vodka is intrinsically worth less than a spirit that takes years to mature, such as Scotch or Bourbon.

That is an interesting statement.  Age = value
It completely discounts the artisanal aspects of distilling.
.
Old s***ty whiskey is still s***ty whiskey

I hate vodka, so to me his statements makes sense. Sure, there is an art to distilling. But there is more art to tasting and blending. A good whiskey has been either blended with other whiskey's or selected from a single barrel (or several select barrels). A "good" vodka simply is a clean and well distilled spirit. But it is utterly boring, unrefined and not worth contemplation. Age it for a few years in American Oak and we might have something to talk about. ;)

This is like reading a forum that debates which American light lager is less filling, or tastes better.   ::)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 28, 2013, 03:38:48 PM
vodka is intrinsically worth less than a spirit that takes years to mature, such as Scotch or Bourbon.

That is an interesting statement.  Age = value
It completely discounts the artisanal aspects of distilling.
.
Old s***ty whiskey is still s***ty whiskey

I hate vodka, so to me his statements makes sense. Sure, there is an art to distilling. But there is more art to tasting and blending. A good whiskey has been either blended with other whiskey's or selected from a single barrel (or several select barrels). A "good" vodka simply is a clean and well distilled spirit. But it is utterly boring, unrefined and not worth contemplation. Age it for a few years in American Oak and we might have something to talk about. ;)

This is like reading a forum that debates which American light lager is less filling, or tastes better.   ::)

You make less and less sense every time I read one of your posts. You must be getting too much sun. Head to Maine for the weekend. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on December 28, 2013, 03:46:48 PM
It's less filling!
NO, it tastes great!
NO, it's LESS filling!!
NO! IT TASTES GREAT!!! ...  :o
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 28, 2013, 03:47:26 PM
Evan Williams Single Barrel is crap, skip it. Now I get to mix another fifth of less than stellar bourbon.

Bummer. It was great when I had it 10 or so years ago especially at the price. Haven't had it since then. It once got "whiskey of the year" by Malt Advocate - which is a fine honor and back when I had it I thought it well deserved the praise. But the quality may have slipped since then. OTOH from your dislikes of other whiskeys and the whiskey's you say are superior to one's I think are less than fantastic perhaps our pallets may not align. I'd love to do a whiskey tasting with you. How do we set that up? ;)

I tend to dislike harsh, acidic, and alcoholic Bourbons. So I dislike Woodford and Bookers. I find many Bourbons boring - Larceny, Jefferson, Four Roses Small Batch, etc. I gravitate an underlying sweetness in the Bourbon - Knob Creek, Bulleit, Buffalo Trace, Eagle Rare, Basil Hayden, Blanton's Bakers, Four Roses Single Barrel, etc.

It might be you need to be the anti-Dixon. We had a wine store in town and whatever the guy suggested I knew not to buy. Our tastes were diametrically opposed. I've got a buddy and I always ask his opinion. We don't line up either, but if he thinks it is awesome I will as well. He appreciates several brands I find boring or dislike. I believe he drinks everything straight, with a splash or over ice. I try it straight and over ice and if it don't trip the trigger after trying on more than one occasion it becomes part of a ginger and bourbon. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 28, 2013, 04:36:04 PM
Ginger and bourbon sounds interesting. I love gingerale.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 28, 2013, 07:02:09 PM
Dixon - I think your taste and mine probably aline on some level. I don't really enjoy Woodford much any more - though it has changed over the years. It once was stellar. But it may be I have a peculiar sense to some of the bourbons you enjoy. There is a particular wood flavor I find in some of the bourbons you mention I don't care for. That said, I'm not one to put anything except ice or maybe a splash of water (and I am fortunate to have access to very fine branch water right out me back door).

Now, ginger ale and rye whiskey (or bourbon, but I prefer the rye) I can make an exception for on a hot summer afternoon at the pool. The only other blend I line whiskey in is coffee or, especially, Irish Creme.

1 cup light cream
14 ounces sweetened condensed milk
1 2/3 cup Irish whiskey
1 teaspoon instant coffee (I actually just use a splash of strong espresso)
1-2 tablespoons chocolate syrup
.5 teaspoon vanilla
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 29, 2013, 07:01:59 PM
My go to drink is something I call a Ginger Old Fashioned.

1 part bourbon
1 to 2 parts ginger ale
Maraschino cherry with teaspoon of the juice
Teaspoon of Stirrings Blood Orange Bitters
Large ice cube

I vary the ginger depending upon the Bourbon, the more alcoholic and harsh the Bourbon the more ginger I add to mask.

With the Bulleit Rye I mentioned earlier I probably do 1 part of it to 3/4 parts ginger.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jeffy on December 29, 2013, 07:08:50 PM
My go to drink is something I call a Ginger Old Fashioned.

1 part bourbon
1 to 2 parts ginger ale
Maraschino cherry with teaspoon of the juice
Teaspoon of Stirrings Blood Orange Bitters
Large ice cube

I vary the ginger depending upon the Bourbon, the more alcoholic and harsh the Bourbon the more ginger I add to mask.

With the Bulleit Rye I mentioned earlier I probably do 1 part of it to 3/4 parts ginger.

I've making sazeracs lately, currently with a bottle of Bulleitt Rye.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 30, 2013, 03:22:47 PM
I got everything to make a sazerac! Well it's angastora bitters not peychauds... will have to try one come cocktail hour this afternoon!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jeffy on December 30, 2013, 03:41:50 PM
The trick is to add a teaspoon of herbsaint or absinthe to a glass with ice, swirl it around a bit and then dump it.  Add the Rye to the empty, cool glass with a couple shots of bitters, twist in a lemon peel and Bob's your uncle.
I used up my Bulleit Rye yesterday.  What should I get next?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 30, 2013, 05:38:24 PM
Cocktail hour can come at any time in the euge household. Using the Bulleit rye I whipped up a quick Sazerac and am sipping it now while waiting for my congee to finish.

All flavors and smells that I love. Faint herbal notes from the bitters and the absinthe. Spicy anise from the rye and the Mythe Absinthe Traditional. Had heard about this cocktail for years but never thought to try making one. Now both my favorites can be combined! Thanks Jeffy!

I would suggest any of the bourbons tried so far to make one of these cocktails. I'm interested in using the JTS Brown but definitely the Henry McKenna would do nicely in a non-rye sazerac.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: bluesman on December 30, 2013, 09:36:32 PM
Don't know how I missed this post...perhaps I need to pay more attention. I'm a huge bourbon fan! I also like the more full bodied and flavored bourbons. Pappy, Bookers, Knob Creek...to name a few. Here's a small collection of my favorites.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/repricej/60D345FD-EFD3-426E-B509-B3ADE2FE43C9_zpscgtalmwl.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/repricej/media/60D345FD-EFD3-426E-B509-B3ADE2FE43C9_zpscgtalmwl.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 30, 2013, 10:14:04 PM
Why that is almost... shrine-like.

Better get to work on that back row. ;D
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: bluesman on December 30, 2013, 10:49:45 PM
Why that is almost... shrine-like.

Better get to work on that back row. ;D

Yea...well the Pappy Van Winkle is going to sit while I break into the back row. The Woodford Reserve Double Oak is a new favorite.

My next purchase is a bottle of Buffalo Trace. I'd love to take a road trip down to Buffalo Trace Distillery in Kentucky someday, purportedly the oldest continuously-operating distillery in the United States.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on December 31, 2013, 12:13:25 AM
Why that is almost... shrine-like.

Better get to work on that back row. ;D

Yea...well the Pappy Van Winkle is going to sit while I break into the back row. The Woodford Reserve Double Oak is a new favorite.

My next purchase is a bottle of Buffalo Trace. I'd love to take a road trip down to Buffalo Trace Distillery in Kentucky someday, purportedly the oldest continuously-operating distillery in the United States.

Friends who have gone there say that the Buffalo Trace Distillery is just absolutely amazing. I think I am going to stop by next year on my way to the Great Smokey Mountains. Although, I may need to stay the night.

Also, I really need to get some Pappy Van Winkle. Many a good night has been spent with a bottle of that. If you like the Double Oak Woodford, then I think the Double Barrel Preston's will blow you away. The nose is just is a thing to behold.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 31, 2013, 01:17:08 AM
Don't know how I missed this post...perhaps I need to pay more attention. I'm a huge bourbon fan! I also like the more full bodied and flavored bourbons. Pappy, Bookers, Knob Creek...to name a few. Here's a small collection of my favorites.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/repricej/60D345FD-EFD3-426E-B509-B3ADE2FE43C9_zpscgtalmwl.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/repricej/media/60D345FD-EFD3-426E-B509-B3ADE2FE43C9_zpscgtalmwl.jpg.html)
Wow Ron, that picture makes me happy.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 31, 2013, 01:24:03 AM
Really envying that bottle of Pappy there. I tried some one time - I don't know if it's worth the bottle price but it is the best bourbon I've tried (and I've tried many).
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 31, 2013, 01:31:50 AM
Really envying that bottle of Pappy there. I tried some one time - I don't know if it's worth the bottle price but it is the best bourbon I've tried (and I've tried many).

+11
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 31, 2013, 02:49:50 AM
Don't know how I missed this post...perhaps I need to pay more attention. I'm a huge bourbon fan! I also like the more full bodied and flavored bourbons. Pappy, Bookers, Knob Creek...to name a few. Here's a small collection of my favorites.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/repricej/60D345FD-EFD3-426E-B509-B3ADE2FE43C9_zpscgtalmwl.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/repricej/media/60D345FD-EFD3-426E-B509-B3ADE2FE43C9_zpscgtalmwl.jpg.html)

All the time I was needing back up and I was wondering where you were. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 31, 2013, 03:23:02 AM
Damn, you've all been busy.

Bourbon favorites are Elmer T. Lee, Eagle Rare, Noah's Mill, and Preston's Double Barrel.

Haven't had Preston's but I'll check it out because your other recommendations are outstanding.  I've got two bottles of Noah's in the cabinet.  One I bought, and one I got for Christmas.

People keep recommending Blanton's, but I just can't get behind that.  Too expensive for what you get.  Yeah, it's smooth.  But it's boring.  I'll drink it if you're pouring, but I won't spend the coin.  I'd rather have Four Roses Single Barrel.

Buffalo Trace?  Meh.  It's OK.  I'd put it on par with Makers.  Solid, not outstanding.  Nothing special to recommend it.

I got everything to make a sazerac! Well it's angastora bitters not peychauds... will have to try one come cocktail hour this afternoon!

Get some Sazerac rye if you can find it.  Outstanding stuff.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 31, 2013, 03:25:58 AM
Ginger and bourbon sounds interesting. I love gingerale.

That mix is about as good as it gets.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: tonyp on December 31, 2013, 04:46:46 AM
Received 750's of Glenfiddich 12 and Macallan 12 for xmas, it was a very merry day :)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Jimmy K on December 31, 2013, 03:36:43 PM
We got to visit Sons of Liberty distillery in South Kingston, RI just before Christmas. Their specialty is whiskey distilled using different beer styles as the wash. Their flagship Uprising is distilled stout. Battle Cry is made with trappist yeast and 20% rye. Great idea and the final products were tasty. They also make a dry hopped whiskey during the summer. Bonus points too for giving us a tour and tasting on a day they were not open to the public, since we were from out of town.

http://www.solspirits.com
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on December 31, 2013, 04:22:33 PM
Hopped beer whiskeys have a distinct flavor to them.  If you didn't know that the flavor is from hops you probably wouldn't be able to figure out what the flavor comes from.  It is not much like the flavors hops impart to beer.  Some find it to be pleasant.  Many do not. It is an odd flavor that I do not like.  I've been told it is an aquired taste.  I've tried, but I cannot aquire a taste for hopped beer whiskey.  Full disclosure: I LOVE the taste of hops in beer.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Jimmy K on December 31, 2013, 04:29:31 PM
You know, I've been wishing I asked if they hopped the beer. I'm guessing no - in fact I smelled the fermenting stout wash and didn't smell hops. They may just be using the grain bill from those beers. I can imagine that bitterness would be weird after distillation. The dry hopped whiskey is dry hopped after distillation (I think anyway) - It's a pretty fresh hop flavor.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on December 31, 2013, 04:31:13 PM
Don't know how I missed this post...perhaps I need to pay more attention. I'm a huge bourbon fan! I also like the more full bodied and flavored bourbons. Pappy, Bookers, Knob Creek...to name a few. Here's a small collection of my favorites.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/repricej/60D345FD-EFD3-426E-B509-B3ADE2FE43C9_zpscgtalmwl.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/repricej/media/60D345FD-EFD3-426E-B509-B3ADE2FE43C9_zpscgtalmwl.jpg.html)

I agree with how you set priorities.  Why waste money on something as superficial as drywall when it is much better spent on spirits!   ;D
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on December 31, 2013, 04:37:30 PM
You know, I've been wishing I asked if they hopped the beer. I'm guessing no - in fact I smelled the fermenting stout wash and didn't smell hops. They may just be using the grain bill from those beers. I can imagine that bitterness would be weird after distillation. The dry hopped whiskey is dry hopped after distillation (I think anyway) - It's a pretty fresh hop flavor.

The hops do not come across as bitter.  It is a funky flavor that comes from the part of hops that volatilize at the same temperature as ethanol in the distillation process.  The flavor does not diminish with successive distillations either.  That's what makes me think the flavor component has the same vapor pressure as ethanol. 

Dry hopped after distillation...  Hmmm...  Interesting idea.  I'm gonna have to give that a try.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: bluesman on December 31, 2013, 04:41:04 PM

Don't know how I missed this post...perhaps I need to pay more attention. I'm a huge bourbon fan! I also like the more full bodied and flavored bourbons. Pappy, Bookers, Knob Creek...to name a few. Here's a small collection of my favorites.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/repricej/60D345FD-EFD3-426E-B509-B3ADE2FE43C9_zpscgtalmwl.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/repricej/media/60D345FD-EFD3-426E-B509-B3ADE2FE43C9_zpscgtalmwl.jpg.html)

I agree with how you set priorities.  Why waste money on something as superficial as drywall when it is much better spent on spirits!   ;D

This is my cellar where all of the Zymurgical wonders occur.


Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ccfoo242 on January 01, 2014, 12:36:21 AM
Whiskey = Instant heartburn for me. I wish I could enjoy it, my brother is a huge whiskey fan and would like to join in.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: In The Sand on January 01, 2014, 04:01:03 AM

Whiskey = Instant heartburn for me. I wish I could enjoy it, my brother is a huge whiskey fan and would like to join in.

Me too. I just power through it though. Whiskey's just too damn good.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on January 03, 2014, 04:25:04 AM
Personally, I skip the blended scotches though there are some solid ones - much like I like straight bourbons way better than blended Canadian types. For an entry level single malt Glenlivet 12 would be the starting point, both in price (~$ 27-29ish) and character. It's malty sweet but not overly, without a good bit of the smokey peat you don't care for.
  If you can (or want to) spend ~ $40 or $42, Balvenie DoubleWood is a steal. It's aged in ex-bourbon and sherry casks (hence the name DoubleWood), is complex, and also lacks the heavy peat/smoke character of some. It's the first bottle of single malt I bought and I still love it.

<EDIT>
I'd also add Glenmorangie as a great Scotch which is on a price range with Balvenie. I love many of the pricier, smokier scotches as well, but since you requested something fairly affordable and not too peaty I recommended these to fit the bill.

Thanks for the recommendation Hoosier, this will be my tasting for the evening. Also trying out the new glass and whiskey stones.  Personally, I'm guessing the stones are going to end up being gimmicky but I'll use them proudly as it was a really thoughtful gift.  Cheers!

PS- This stuff aint cheap in Oregon, $59 for the bottle. Thank you Oregon Liquor Control Commission.  :P
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3826/11722668883_a20218744b_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on January 03, 2014, 05:15:21 AM
Personally, I skip the blended scotches though there are some solid ones - much like I like straight bourbons way better than blended Canadian types. For an entry level single malt Glenlivet 12 would be the starting point, both in price (~$ 27-29ish) and character. It's malty sweet but not overly, without a good bit of the smokey peat you don't care for.
  If you can (or want to) spend ~ $40 or $42, Balvenie DoubleWood is a steal. It's aged in ex-bourbon and sherry casks (hence the name DoubleWood), is complex, and also lacks the heavy peat/smoke character of some. It's the first bottle of single malt I bought and I still love it.

<EDIT>
I'd also add Glenmorangie as a great Scotch which is on a price range with Balvenie. I love many of the pricier, smokier scotches as well, but since you requested something fairly affordable and not too peaty I recommended these to fit the bill.

Thanks for the recommendation Hoosier, this will be my tasting for the evening. Also trying out the new glass and whiskey stones.  Personally, I'm guessing the stones are going to end up being gimmicky but I'll use them proudly as it was a really thoughtful gift.  Cheers!

PS- This stuff aint cheap in Oregon, $59 for the bottle. Thank you Oregon Liquor Control Commission.  :P
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3826/11722668883_a20218744b_m.jpg)

Yeah, I have the stones and they don't do much for me. I either go neat with about two straws full of cold, filtered water or with one or two ice cubes. I enjoy seeing how the flavors change as the ice slowly melts and progressively dilutes the Scotch.

The tasting glass, on the other hand is a fantastic investment. Love mine.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: klickitat jim on January 03, 2014, 05:16:03 AM
Don't know how I missed this post...perhaps I need to pay more attention. I'm a huge bourbon fan! I also like the more full bodied and flavored bourbons. Pappy, Bookers, Knob Creek...to name a few. Here's a small collection of my favorites.

(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r156/repricej/60D345FD-EFD3-426E-B509-B3ADE2FE43C9_zpscgtalmwl.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/repricej/media/60D345FD-EFD3-426E-B509-B3ADE2FE43C9_zpscgtalmwl.jpg.html)

I agree with how you set priorities.  Why waste money on something as superficial as drywall when it is much better spent on spirits!   ;D

You sir, are hilarious!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on January 04, 2014, 07:05:00 AM
Finally cracked a bottle of Old Bardstown. And I mean cracked. F'ing wax on a screw-cap. Honestly it was a messy struggle to open the bottle.

Anyway. Nice bourbon and really smooth at 101 proof. To me it is kinda like Scotch. Think this one will be savored.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: redzim on January 04, 2014, 05:40:18 PM
Finally cracked a bottle of Old Bardstown. And I mean cracked. F'ing wax on a screw-cap. Honestly it was a messy struggle to open the bottle.

Anyway. Nice bourbon and really smooth at 101 proof. To me it is kinda like Scotch. Think this one will be savored.

Just kegged my Bourbon Porter today.  I used Old Bardstown for 5 gal, and Buffalo Trace for the other 5 gal.  I consider these very solid bourbons. I think both will be great.

In line with the rest of the post, for those considering budget, take a look at Rebel Yell.  Around here, same price (or slightly cheaper) than Evan Williams and a whole lot better.   A couple years ago I split my porter with Evan in one keg and local small batch bourbon from Tuthilltown in the other. The Evan was noticeably more raw and rough in the beer.  The Tuthilltown was nice but at $40+ for a 375ml bottle I won't be trying it again (that one was a gift...)

red


Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 13, 2014, 03:57:50 PM
I wonder how that Maker's bottle is going to appear when the label is in Japanese? ;)
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BEAM_ACQUISITION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-01-13-07-19-30
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: bluesman on January 13, 2014, 05:42:14 PM
I wonder how that Maker's bottle is going to appear when the label is in Japanese? ;)
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BEAM_ACQUISITION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-01-13-07-19-30

Didn't see this coming...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on January 13, 2014, 06:36:09 PM
I wonder how that Maker's bottle is going to appear when the label is in Japanese? ;)

(http://www.suntory.com/news/2005/img/9134.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: brewmichigan on January 13, 2014, 06:52:05 PM
Whiskey is getting very big in Japan. Wasn't expecting it but am not surprised it happened. 13 Billion is a lot of dough.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 05, 2014, 10:21:37 PM
Just checking back in on this thread.  I've heard lots of recommendations for Four Roses yellow label so I picked up a bottle.  Not so impressed.  Kind of thin on flavor and what flavor exists is a bit... harsh is not the right word, but close.

I think the Double Barrel Preston's will blow you away. The nose is just is a thing to behold.

Wondering if you meant Pritchard's.  I found some of that, but it's $70 a bottle.  I skipped it and picked up the Four Roses yellow plus a bottle of their Single Barrel.  The single barrel is one of my favorites.

Snow and cold tonight, so I'll be tippling a glass or two.  Probably go with the Single Barrel or with Noah's Mill.  No cheap stuff tonight.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: bluefoxicy on February 09, 2014, 09:44:43 PM
Has nobody mentioned Tullamore Dew yet?  Under $20 and it's the best Irish whiskey available at any price anywhere.  $20 will get you a bottle and two whiskey glasses.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on February 10, 2014, 03:21:30 PM
Just checking back in on this thread.  I've heard lots of recommendations for Four Roses yellow label so I picked up a bottle.  Not so impressed.  Kind of thin on flavor and what flavor exists is a bit... harsh is not the right word, but close.

I think the Double Barrel Preston's will blow you away. The nose is just is a thing to behold.

Wondering if you meant Pritchard's.  I found some of that, but it's $70 a bottle.  I skipped it and picked up the Four Roses yellow plus a bottle of their Single Barrel.  The single barrel is one of my favorites.

Snow and cold tonight, so I'll be tippling a glass or two.  Probably go with the Single Barrel or with Noah's Mill.  No cheap stuff tonight.

Sorry about that. I did mean Pritchard's. I do enjoy Noah's Mill a bit more, fwiw.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on February 11, 2014, 12:39:31 AM
Pritchard's is literally right up the road from across the state line. As a matter of fact, I have some fermentors in my brewery that used to belong to Pritchards'.  Their whiskey not too bad. Way over priced though.

Speaking of overpriced, Maker's at $30/bottle here now that they raised the prices. That's too much to spend on Maker's.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 11, 2014, 02:47:31 PM
Maker's is kinda boring to me.

Side note - unless you like really sweet skip the Knob Creek Smoked Maple.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on February 11, 2014, 03:11:53 PM
Maker's is kinda boring to me.

Side note - unless you like really sweet skip the Knob Creek Smoked Maple.

I don't disagree but back in the day it was a good every day whiskey for $20 fifth.

Someone mentioned Eagle Rare - just picked up a bottle (same price as Maker's) and, if I didn't know any better I'd think it was Maker's.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on February 11, 2014, 05:45:12 PM
Maker's is kinda boring to me.

Side note - unless you like really sweet skip the Knob Creek Smoked Maple.

I don't disagree but back in the day it was a good every day whiskey for $20 fifth.

Someone mentioned Eagle Rare - just picked up a bottle (same price as Maker's) and, if I didn't know any better I'd think it was Maker's.

You do some variety from Eagle Rare single barrel, some better than other. Guess I've been lucky. It can be a bit hot, almost cinnamony.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on February 11, 2014, 08:54:18 PM
Maker's is kinda boring to me.

Side note - unless you like really sweet skip the Knob Creek Smoked Maple.

I don't disagree but back in the day it was a good every day whiskey for $20 fifth.

Someone mentioned Eagle Rare - just picked up a bottle (same price as Maker's) and, if I didn't know any better I'd think it was Maker's.

You do some variety from Eagle Rare single barrel, some better than other. Guess I've been lucky. It can be a bit hot, almost cinnamony.

I can't say I have had a sub-par Eagle Rare. Has always been good to me. I also get cinnamony and spicy.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on February 11, 2014, 08:59:19 PM
Maker's is kinda boring to me.

Side note - unless you like really sweet skip the Knob Creek Smoked Maple.

I don't disagree but back in the day it was a good every day whiskey for $20 fifth.

Someone mentioned Eagle Rare - just picked up a bottle (same price as Maker's) and, if I didn't know any better I'd think it was Maker's.

You do some variety from Eagle Rare single barrel, some better than other. Guess I've been lucky. It can be a bit hot, almost cinnamony.

I can't say I have had a sub-par Eagle Rare. Has always been good to me. I also get cinnamony and spicy.

I liked it fine just didn't think it was much better than Maker's. Haven't had single barrel.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on February 11, 2014, 09:20:27 PM
Maker's is kinda boring to me.

Side note - unless you like really sweet skip the Knob Creek Smoked Maple.

I don't disagree but back in the day it was a good every day whiskey for $20 fifth.

Someone mentioned Eagle Rare - just picked up a bottle (same price as Maker's) and, if I didn't know any better I'd think it was Maker's.

You do some variety from Eagle Rare single barrel, some better than other. Guess I've been lucky. It can be a bit hot, almost cinnamony.

I can't say I have had a sub-par Eagle Rare. Has always been good to me. I also get cinnamony and spicy.

I liked it fine just didn't think it was much better than Maker's. Haven't had single barrel.
Interesting, I didn't know about and have not seen a blended offering from Eagle Rare. 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on February 11, 2014, 09:32:27 PM
Well, whatdaya know, it says single bbl on label and I missed it.

I'll try it again tonight. Perhaps I judged it took quick. Reminded me a lot of Maker's though.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 11, 2014, 10:01:28 PM
Eagle Rare has not reminded me of Maker's, it has more character IMO. Of course I've not tried a plethora of bottles of it either.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 11, 2014, 10:07:38 PM
Dammit.  Do I have to go buy a bottle of Eagle Rare now?

I have not had it in years, but I recall it being good.  My recollection is not clear enough to come up with cinnamon or spice flavors.  At the time, though, I remember I preferred the bottle of Black Maple Hill.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on February 11, 2014, 10:51:10 PM
Dammit.  Do I have to go buy a bottle of Eagle Rare now?

I have not had it in years, but I recall it being good.  My recollection is not clear enough to come up with cinnamon or spice flavors.  At the time, though, I remember I preferred the bottle of Black Maple Hill.

Sorry ::)
It's not my favorite but I find it pretty reliable. There's a McMennamin's not far from here and they have a tiny little house with a woodstove & various whiskies where folks can smoke cigars called the little white shed.  Usually once a year the folks from Eagle Rare bring a few select barrels to the little white shed and do a tasting. Those present vote and the favorite barrel is bottled and sold at a local shop as "Shed Head Select 201x". 
I just realized I'm going to get a haircut not as far as I can spit from that liquour store tonight after work.  Guess who else is having some Eagle Rare tonight?!?  8)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on February 12, 2014, 12:50:28 AM
Not me. Nightcap will be Dickel #8. Wish it was their rye but the store was out.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on February 12, 2014, 03:47:15 PM
Went back and tried some Eagle Rare last night and I did get the cinnamon. For some reason I did not pick that up on Saturday (possibly because I had started off earlier in the day with some Hop Slam IIPA). I actually enjoyed it much more last night. But, for some reason, it still reminds me of Maker's (not in a bad way) - definitely some cherry notes that you find in Makers. But I do prefer the Eagle Rare, no doubt.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on February 13, 2014, 07:47:31 PM
So I stopped by the LS after a haircut the other day and as I was looking at the Eagle Rare a guy says, "that's no the shed head".  I asked if he had any in back and luckily i got the last bottle of the 2013 barrel. Perhaps the last bottle period. Apparently the rep was miffed at the shed heads because it took two rounds of samples to pick one last year. The owner said none met the standards the group had come to expect as something he'd put his name on and sell exclusively in his store.  Anyway, super nice guy. Had a neat taste last night and it's a very, very nice selection. Loads of oak and vanilla that made me sniff at it like your favorite IPA.  I'll see if I can hide it from myself and bring the bottle to Grand Rapids.  :o
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on February 18, 2014, 04:57:17 AM
Old Overholt.

Smoother and less prominent than the J.T.S Brown. I wanted a rye Bourbon but this is too center of the road. Drinkable yet unremarkable at $13.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 18, 2014, 03:52:05 PM
Old Overholt is a solid mixer, but I'm not sure I'd drink it straight.

I keep a bottle on hand for Manhattan's, but it's not first choice.  Rittenhouse is also a solid mixer for Manhattan's.  Maybe a step above Overholt.  Overholt is a great deal for the price, though.  Both of these tend to sell out IME.

If I'm not mixing it, I'd rather have something like Russel's Reserve, Sazerac, or something along those lines.

Bulliet Rye makes a very nice Manhattan.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on February 18, 2014, 07:16:12 PM
Old Overholt.

Smoother and less prominent than the J.T.S Brown. I wanted a rye Bourbon but this is too center of the road. Drinkable yet unremarkable at $13.

Euge, what do we have to do to get you to move on from the $13 bottles of mixin' whiskey and into the sippin' variety?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on February 18, 2014, 07:34:39 PM
Old Overholt.

Smoother and less prominent than the J.T.S Brown. I wanted a rye Bourbon but this is too center of the road. Drinkable yet unremarkable at $13.

Euge, what do we have to do to get you to move on from the $13 bottles of mixin' whiskey and into the sippin' variety?

Geez, I was thinking it and you said it. 
I'm not saying it's bad to dabble for a diamond in the rough from time to time. Personally,  I'd rather spend twice as much and drink half as often of stuff you're going to have much better odds of enjoying.  Yeah, there's some spendy stinkers out there too but there's generally a reason the price is higher unless you're paying for a fancy bottle or hype.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on February 18, 2014, 07:38:58 PM
Sipping? 8)

Good thing I picked up a shift tomorrow. Last week I placed an order for 2 bottles of George DIckel Rye that come in then. Keep on mentioning names and I'll look for them. West of the Mississippi the selection differs somewhat. I got a pitying yet appraising laugh from the staff when I asked for some Pappy Van Winkle.


Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on February 19, 2014, 12:08:04 PM
OTOH take care of that liver! You might be meaning pints not fifths...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 20, 2014, 01:37:03 AM
I pretty much hate Woodford, but have a buddy who thinks it is the Cat's Meow and so when I spotted the Double Oaked I decided to give it a whirl since his tastes generally mirror my own with a few exceptions.

I jumped across the line into SC where they generally have two prices, one for cash and one for credit and credit is generally 2% more. The price for cash was 49.99 and for credit it was 49.91...I used a card. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on February 20, 2014, 01:40:18 AM
I don't hate Woodford but it isn't quite the same whiskey it was 20 years ago when it won Malt Advocate Whiskey of the Year. Still a decent whiskey, wouldn't turn my glass upside down if you offered me a pour.

Let us know how the double oak is.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on February 20, 2014, 01:45:03 AM
I decided my rye for now would be this one and it isn't stocked at the specs. This'll keep for a while.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 23, 2014, 12:41:56 AM
Major - just not a fan of the Double Oaked either. Tastes like Woodford with, drumroll, more oak. I'll give it a try again with a clean palate (it was National Margarita Day after all so I was obliged to participate), but to me it still has the same alcoholic, acidic character of Woodford just with more oak. At $50 it really wasn't worth the price of admission.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on March 03, 2014, 05:51:29 PM
Had a glass of 15 year Pappy last night.  Damn fine whiskey.  Smooth, complex, carmel, vanilla, wood.  Good stuff.  But at the price per glass, I won't be tasting it again soon.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on March 04, 2014, 03:32:33 AM
Had a glass of 15 year Pappy last night.  Damn fine whiskey.  Smooth, complex, carmel, vanilla, wood.  Good stuff.  But at the price per glass, I won't be tasting it again soon.

This is what I find with so many of the super high-end whisk(e)ys. Johnny Walker Blue Label and Chivas Royal Salute are damn good Scotches, but not worth anywhere near the price. They're something I've had by the glass 2 or 3 times, but I'd never spring for a bottle. There are just as many whiskeys that are just as good (if not better) that don't carry the "name tax".
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on March 04, 2014, 04:00:32 AM
Had a glass of 15 year Pappy last night.  Damn fine whiskey.  Smooth, complex, carmel, vanilla, wood.  Good stuff.  But at the price per glass, I won't be tasting it again soon.

This is what I find with so many of the super high-end whisk(e)ys. Johnny Walker Blue Label and Chivas Royal Salute are damn good Scotches, but not worth anywhere near the price. They're something I've had by the glass 2 or 3 times, but I'd never spring for a bottle. There are just as many whiskeys that are just as good (if not better) that don't carry the "name tax".

I can't really speak about scotch but as far as Pappy's goes I've never even sniffed an opportunity to buy a bottle.  I've also never sniffed or tasted anything that comes close to the rich complexity of Pappy's 23 year.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 04, 2014, 01:17:04 PM
Had a glass of 15 year Pappy last night.  Damn fine whiskey.  Smooth, complex, carmel, vanilla, wood.  Good stuff.  But at the price per glass, I won't be tasting it again soon.

This is what I find with so many of the super high-end whisk(e)ys. Johnny Walker Blue Label and Chivas Royal Salute are damn good Scotches, but not worth anywhere near the price. They're something I've had by the glass 2 or 3 times, but I'd never spring for a bottle. There are just as many whiskeys that are just as good (if not better) that don't carry the "name tax".

+1 to the 'name tax'.  If you do some digging, there are some great Scotches for a fraction of those.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on March 04, 2014, 01:41:31 PM
That's why I'm in $20 range and trying different whiskies. Living within my means. Yeah I know it's un-American to do so but right now I'm not going to pay more than $30 for a bottle of booze. All the Scotch I looked at is in the nosebleed range.

How about Scotch then? We've discussed Bourbons. How about a $30 (or less) bottle of Scotch?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on March 04, 2014, 02:49:10 PM
I can't really speak about scotch but as far as Pappy's goes I've never even sniffed an opportunity to buy a bottle.  I've also never sniffed or tasted anything that comes close to the rich complexity of Pappy's 23 year.

23 year was $35 per pour.  At that price, it's worth buying the bottle if you could get it.  Maybe.

I wanted to try it next to the Weller, which supposedly starts as the same juice.  But one can only drink so much bourbon when out to dinner.

How about Scotch then? We've discussed Bourbons. How about a $30 (or less) bottle of Scotch?

There are so many different types of Scotch (Highland, Lowland, peaty, etc.) that it's a whole different animal IMO.  If you want to go that route, I'd start with a decent brand name blended Scotch and figure it out from there.  Johnny Walker might be decent place to start.  But I'm not the guy to advise others on Scotch.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on March 04, 2014, 03:10:06 PM
That's why I'm in $20 range and trying different whiskies. Living within my means. Yeah I know it's un-American to do so but right now I'm not going to pay more than $30 for a bottle of booze. All the Scotch I looked at is in the nosebleed range.

How about Scotch then? We've discussed Bourbons. How about a $30 (or less) bottle of Scotch?

Tell ya what Euge, try Hoosier's recommendation for the Balvenie Doublewood if you've been enjoying the bourbon.  I'm not a huge fan of scotch generally but this stuff I really like. Makes just fantastic hot scotchies on brew day. 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on March 04, 2014, 03:17:26 PM
That's why I'm in $20 range and trying different whiskies. Living within my means. Yeah I know it's un-American to do so but right now I'm not going to pay more than $30 for a bottle of booze. All the Scotch I looked at is in the nosebleed range.

How about Scotch then? We've discussed Bourbons. How about a $30 (or less) bottle of Scotch?

Tell ya what Euge, try Hoosier's recommendation for the Balvenie Doublebarrel (name?) if you've been enjoying the bourbon.  I'm not a huge fan of scotch generally but this stuff I really like. Makes just fantastic hot scotchies on brew day. 

+1.  DoubleWood is great.  For ~ $30-ish, Glenlivet and Glenfiddich are entry level, but smooth and good. Nice malt flavor.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on March 04, 2014, 11:48:53 PM
Nothing wrong with blended Scotch to get you started. Chivas Regal and Johnny Walker Black Label are the two I'd start with. JWBL is the peatier of the two. Glenlivet 12 and Bowmore Legend are the two single malts I'd pick for entry level. Bowmore is far peatier between the two.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on March 05, 2014, 06:54:46 PM
Tried a double glenfiddich 15 at the airport. That's a nice bourbon!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on March 05, 2014, 06:56:14 PM
Tried a double glenfiddich 15 at the airport. That's a nice bourbon! Scotch.

 ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on March 24, 2014, 05:55:41 AM
James E. Pepper 1776 100 proof rye.

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 1vertical on March 25, 2014, 05:10:28 AM
envy
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: reverseapachemaster on March 25, 2014, 02:00:57 PM
Johnny Walker Black should run you under $30 for a bottle and IMO the best scotch at that price point. It's a good mix of smooth flavors plus a little smoke.

There are decent single malts under $30 especially if you have access to a bottle shop with really good prices. I can get Macallan 12 for $40 but under $30 you can find decent single malts like Ardmore, Glenmorangie and maybe Glenlivet. There is a wide variety among single malts based on their geographic origin, barrel type, use of peat and so forth. If you want to try something interesting and crazy oaky try out Deanston's Virgin Oak.

Worthwhile blends I'd suggest trying include Johnny Walker Black, Ballantine's, Dewar's White Label, Dewar's 12, Famous Grouse Black Grouse and Pinch.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on March 25, 2014, 02:21:50 PM
James E. Pepper 1776 100 proof rye.

Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on March 25, 2014, 06:51:29 PM
Strong! Has a weird finish that I don't particularly care for. A bit of oak along with the characteristic rye flavor. Will revisit this evening.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: mchrispen on March 25, 2014, 07:00:42 PM
Dickel 12 just makes me feel at home. Dickel Rye - learning to love it. Hard to find on the road for some reason.


Recently spent time in N. Kentucky trying to find some Pappy VW... no luck there, but came across some Woodford Reserve Master's Collection bottles. There were two variations of the Master's Collection - one light done just in toasted barrels (classic), and the other in charred oak (straight). I got the latter - and it was worth every penny (around $100/bottle). Amazingly creamy and smooth without any of the harshness I expect in aftertaste. Not sure if that was technically bourbon, being from barley - but really wonderful. Opened up nicely with some ice, and warmed into a very fragrant spicy drink. Plan to buy both next time to really test the difference between barrels.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on March 29, 2014, 04:51:39 PM
Had Pritchard's Double Barrel last night.  Outstanding.

So much so that we almost killed the bottle.

This is the best bourbon I've had recently, Pappy excluded.

The bottle was pricey, but we were celebrating.  No regrets.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 1vertical on March 29, 2014, 05:11:35 PM
Please I implore you  all to watch this video and Insure that you
are using the proper technique for this epoch thread!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVG1U-faqHY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVG1U-faqHY)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ibru on March 29, 2014, 05:48:28 PM
He has a hilarious way of making his points.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on March 29, 2014, 06:53:26 PM
I think I learned more in that 3 minutes than I have in 5 years of trying scotch on my own!


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on March 29, 2014, 09:50:11 PM
Had Pritchard's Double Barrel last night.  Outstanding.

So much so that we almost killed the bottle.

This is the best bourbon I've had recently, Pappy excluded.

The bottle was pricey, but we were celebrating.  No regrets.

Yeah, I could take that in all day. What a wonderful nose on that one.

I finally bought a bottle of Noah's Mill. Looking forward to drinking on a camping trip with a few buddies.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on March 30, 2014, 05:25:55 AM
That's a great vid dave. I'm not too cool about the flagrant wastage of good booze however.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 1vertical on March 30, 2014, 01:55:03 PM
Euge, Not having done the method verbatum  so to speak.....
How can one be absolutly certain that it is a waste?

Rather perhaps it completely and effectively removes all prior residuals....
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on March 30, 2014, 02:10:40 PM
Had Pritchard's Double Barrel last night.  Outstanding.

So much so that we almost killed the bottle.

This is the best bourbon I've had recently, Pappy excluded.

The bottle was pricey, but we were celebrating.  No regrets.

I'll give it a try. Pritchard's is right down the road from me (well, within 30 miles) and I even have 4 fermentors in my brewery that came from them.

I've had some interesting whiskey from them that a local pub keeps on "tap" in a wooden barrel. Not sure which it is but tasty stuff.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on March 30, 2014, 03:31:23 PM
I didn't use quite as much spirit when I tried it. Didn't seem to make much any difference. But then again I use reasonably clean glassware. Not some hastily washed bar-glass. ;D
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on April 01, 2014, 03:35:47 PM
Johnny Walker Black should run you under $30 for a bottle and IMO the best scotch at that price point. It's a good mix of smooth flavors plus a little smoke.

There are decent single malts under $30 especially if you have access to a bottle shop with really good prices. I can get Macallan 12 for $40 but under $30 you can find decent single malts like Ardmore, Glenmorangie and maybe Glenlivet. There is a wide variety among single malts based on their geographic origin, barrel type, use of peat and so forth. If you want to try something interesting and crazy oaky try out Deanston's Virgin Oak.

Worthwhile blends I'd suggest trying include Johnny Walker Black, Ballantine's, Dewar's White Label, Dewar's 12, Famous Grouse Black Grouse and Pinch.

The price has gotten out of hand, but Sheep Dip remains one of my favorite blends.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: punatic on April 15, 2014, 06:12:29 AM
Howdy pardnahs.  Been busy in the distilling world lately.  The ADI conference in Seattle was amazing!  Washington State definitely has its s*** together when it comes to craft distilling.

You guys want to talk about good whiskey?  Do whatever it takes to get your hands on some Woodinville Whiskey Company whiskey.  It is way delicious.  Bourbon with rye in the grain bill.  Rye that will bring you to tears.  A vodka made from a bourbon grain bill that will flat-out knock your socks off!

Anyway, since I'm just posting a drive-by... Joe Bob says. "Check this out":

Why You Should Drink More Whiskey (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtVrS1bNDns)

That is all.  As you were...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: tschmidlin on April 15, 2014, 07:40:55 AM
Hey Carl, sorry we never managed to hook up when you were here.

I'm glad you enjoyed your visit, and it sounds like I need to make another visit to Woodinville Whiskey, I haven't had their rye yet.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: redbeerman on April 15, 2014, 04:31:11 PM
I'm going to Kentucky this week, for the sole purpose of drinking.  Where should I go?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 23, 2014, 12:53:42 AM
Just an update. Baker's turns out to be a little hot by itself for me. Took quite a bit of ice melt to take the beast. Basil Hayden's OTOH is sublime out of the gate. Also sublime is Four Roses Single Barrel.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 23, 2014, 01:31:52 AM
Also sublime is Four Roses Single Barrel.

No doubt.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on April 23, 2014, 01:58:49 AM
Man I want to try the Four Roses but the sticker shock! Consider that a bottle can/will only last a couple evenings if the euge likes it.

I'm back to the Dickel sour mash #8. Really liking what that company provides. A comparison of some Four Roses and Dickel obviously has to happen!

But I'm fully in the bourbon whiskey camp. All I keep is cognac vsop, potato vodka (for martini's) and bourbon- which has the highest turnover.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on April 23, 2014, 03:16:17 PM
I really like Monopolowa Austrian Potato Vodka, for Bloody Marys.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on April 23, 2014, 05:47:15 PM
I really like Monopolowa Austrian Potato Vodka, for Bloody Marys.

That's my brand! And very affordable- I highly recommend this particular vodka.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on April 23, 2014, 05:48:35 PM
I really like Monopolowa Austrian Potato Vodka, for Bloody Marys.

Chopin is probably my favorite vodka, but Luksosowa is pretty damn good as well. I don't know what it is about potato vodkas, but they just "taste right" to me.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on April 23, 2014, 06:07:33 PM
Luksusowa is another great one from Poland. I agree about potato vodka "just tasting right" and believe it is traditional. At least since potatoes were introduced to Europe...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on April 23, 2014, 10:28:59 PM
Ha, that's funny. We had a family brunch last weekend with Bloody Marys and Mom was supposed to show up with the Monopolowa but instead she had Luksusowa. I thought well, at least it rhymes. Not bad a'tall.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: gmac on April 24, 2014, 12:54:12 PM
That's why I'm in $20 range and trying different whiskies. Living within my means. Yeah I know it's un-American to do so but right now I'm not going to pay more than $30 for a bottle of booze. All the Scotch I looked at is in the nosebleed range.

How about Scotch then? We've discussed Bourbons. How about a $30 (or less) bottle of Scotch?

I'm late to the party but the best "economy" Scotch around here is Te Bheag (pronounced something like Shay Vek, not Tea Bag).  Very good for the money and worth it to have on hand.  Won't beat Lagavulin but nothing does in my opinion.  Wish I could still drink Scotch but I must be getting an ulcer or something because any straight alcohol seems to give me instant heartburn.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 24, 2014, 01:21:25 PM
I don't know how we got on Vodka exactly, but my wife likes 360 Vodka.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on April 24, 2014, 02:01:12 PM
LOL at first I was like tea-bag? ;D

http://www.abarabove.com/costco-kirkland-bourbon-review/ (http://www.abarabove.com/costco-kirkland-bourbon-review/) sounds interesting and qualifies for the price-point.

http://drinkingmadeeasy.com/blog/2014-whiskies-that-dont-need-an-age-statement-to-make-a-statement/ (http://drinkingmadeeasy.com/blog/2014-whiskies-that-dont-need-an-age-statement-to-make-a-statement/)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 24, 2014, 02:07:11 PM
http://www.abarabove.com/costco-kirkland-bourbon-review/ (http://www.abarabove.com/costco-kirkland-bourbon-review/) sounds interesting and qualifies for the price-point.

Kirkland bourbon, IME, is a bit harsh without some melted ice/water.  It's 100 proof but it's more than just the proof.  I'd describe it a bit like MDixon described Bakers.

It is not bad, and it is definitely affordable.  It's just not a smooth as some others.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: redbeerman on April 24, 2014, 04:25:09 PM
Well, I drank a lot of bourbon over the weekend.  Blanton's was the smoothest,  Four Roses single barrel was very good as well.  Had two tastes from two different barrels at the distillery and you can even tell the difference between barrels.  Also had Henry McKenna 10yr single barrel BIB  it was good as was Eagle Rare 10yr.  Funny Basil Hayden's was a bit harsher side by side with these others.  Willet pot still reserve was not as rich as the price.  If you get the chance Angel's Envy is really good too.  Had Mitcher's rye and also 10 yr single barrel, it was OK too.  Didn't have any bad bourbons.  Buffalo Trace was good, Evan Williams 12 yr old was good too, better with a drop or two of water to open it up.  Learned that from our guide.  I think for the money the Four Roses was the best value.  Can get it here for about $40 a bottle with tax.  I could drink Blanton's all the time, but I can't afford to.  Best place to buy bourbon in Kentucky, Rite Aid Pharmacy.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on April 24, 2014, 04:59:35 PM
Well, I drank a lot of bourbon over the weekend.  Blanton's was the smoothest,  Four Roses single barrel was very good as well.  Had two tastes from two different barrels at the distillery and you can even tell the difference between barrels.  Also had Henry McKenna 10yr single barrel BIB  it was good as was Eagle Rare 10yr.  Funny Basil Hayden's was a bit harsher side by side with these others.  Willet pot still reserve was not as rich as the price.  If you get the chance Angel's Envy is really good too.  Had Mitcher's rye and also 10 yr single barrel, it was OK too.  Didn't have any bad bourbons.  Buffalo Trace was good, Evan Williams 12 yr old was good too, better with a drop or two of water to open it up.  Learned that from our guide.  I think for the money the Four Roses was the best value.  Can get it here for about $40 a bottle with tax.  I could drink Blanton's all the time, but I can't afford to.  Best place to buy bourbon in Kentucky, Rite Aid Pharmacy.

Sweeet!!! Sounds like you had a good time. Can't wait till I go to Kentucky in a couple of weeks. I've been wanting to visit Buffalo Trace and Four Roses for a long time.

I totally agree about Four Roses. When my friend was getting me into Bourbon, he always had Four Roses and Old Van Winkle on hand. I enjoy having it around, although I use it as a mixer more often than not now.

I had Angel's Envy the other night at a restaurant, and was very pleased with it. I don't think I would buy a bottle, but I will definitely order it again.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on April 24, 2014, 06:10:46 PM
Well, I drank a lot of bourbon over the weekend.  Blanton's was the smoothest,  Four Roses single barrel was very good as well.  Had two tastes from two different barrels at the distillery and you can even tell the difference between barrels.  Also had Henry McKenna 10yr single barrel BIB  it was good as was Eagle Rare 10yr.  Funny Basil Hayden's was a bit harsher side by side with these others.  Willet pot still reserve was not as rich as the price.  If you get the chance Angel's Envy is really good too.  Had Mitcher's rye and also 10 yr single barrel, it was OK too.  Didn't have any bad bourbons.  Buffalo Trace was good, Evan Williams 12 yr old was good too, better with a drop or two of water to open it up.  Learned that from our guide.  I think for the money the Four Roses was the best value.  Can get it here for about $40 a bottle with tax.  I could drink Blanton's all the time, but I can't afford to.  Best place to buy bourbon in Kentucky, Rite Aid Pharmacy.

Dang Red, you covered some ground! Thanks for sharing your notes.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 29, 2014, 10:50:05 AM
Opened a bottle of Colonel E.H. Taylor Small Batch last night and it is divine. Sorry Euge...$50 price point.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: redbeerman on April 29, 2014, 11:53:04 AM
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Round one.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: redbeerman on April 29, 2014, 11:56:03 AM
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Way to begin the night in Kentucky.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: riceral on April 29, 2014, 12:44:31 PM
(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk32/redbeerman/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-04/B49A683C-A0D4-45B8-9551-8814B6D0785F_zpsmlgjdbgb.jpg) (http://s276.photobucket.com/user/redbeerman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-04/B49A683C-A0D4-45B8-9551-8814B6D0785F_zpsmlgjdbgb.jpg.html)

Way to begin the night in Kentucky.

Way to begin the night anywhere!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on April 29, 2014, 01:58:56 PM
Wow. I hope there was a beer-back for that whiskey!

Got a bottle of the Four Roses straight bourbon. Might sample tonight. I will have to work my way up to the single barrel or small batch.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 29, 2014, 02:04:09 PM
Wow. I hope there was a beer-back for that whiskey!

Got a bottle of the Four Roses straight bourbon. Might sample tonight. I will have to work my way up to the single barrel or small batch.

I agree.  That looks like a quick end to the night for me.

I am not a fan of the Four Roses yellow label bourbon.  Bought it once.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on April 29, 2014, 03:47:32 PM
Wow. I hope there was a beer-back for that whiskey!

Got a bottle of the Four Roses straight bourbon. Might sample tonight. I will have to work my way up to the single barrel or small batch.

I agree.  That looks like a quick end to the night for me.

I am not a fan of the Four Roses yellow label bourbon.  Bought it once.
I like the yellow label pretty well for the price but both the small batch and single barrel Four Roses are fantastic IMO.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: redbeerman on April 29, 2014, 04:20:16 PM
Wow. I hope there was a beer-back for that whiskey!

Got a bottle of the Four Roses straight bourbon. Might sample tonight. I will have to work my way up to the single barrel or small batch.

No beer with these.  The key is to sip.  It took me a couple of hours or so to get through these.  Had a couple of beers at the bar next door and finished the night with these.

(http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk32/redbeerman/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-04/7301A6AA-A69A-490A-A6BE-B262A1A7B989_zpssi9jbrcd.jpg) (http://s276.photobucket.com/user/redbeerman/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-04/7301A6AA-A69A-490A-A6BE-B262A1A7B989_zpssi9jbrcd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 29, 2014, 04:35:45 PM
The key is to sip.  It took me a couple of hours or so to get through these.  Had a couple of beers at the bar next door and finished the night with these.

OK.  If you're sipping, I could keep up with you.  I sure couldn't bang those down and keep on keeping on.

I like to do side-by-sides like that.  Good call.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: bluesman on April 29, 2014, 04:41:31 PM
Sippin' is key.  ;)

On the advisement of redbeerman, I decided to purchase Four Roses single barrel at 11yrs. 1mo. from ME warehouse at our local liquor store. It was a little pricey at $54.99, but well worth the money IMHO.  I poured about 3 oz. over 3 cubes of ice and let it aerate for about 5 minutes. This bourbon is subtly sweet with some maple syrup and molasses in the nose and the flavor. The typical vanilla/corn sweetness/oak combo was present. Very smooth and full bodied. Some caramel as well. It comes highly recommended. The sweetest of bourbons that I've ever tasted.  :)

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 29, 2014, 04:49:51 PM
We get Four Roses Single Barrel cask strength selections at the local Binny's.  They're each different, but the ones I've had are pretty tasty even at 65% ABV.  I'm not sure they're worth the premium over the standard single barrel, but now and then what the heck.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 30, 2014, 11:45:49 AM
Four Roses Single Barrel in NC is $40 and often drops to $35 on sale. If it is $55 I'd have to pass.

To me the Four Roses Small Batch is boring, good, but boring.

blues - how much is Blanton's? In NC we can occasionally get it on sale for $50.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: redbeerman on April 30, 2014, 04:17:14 PM
Four Roses Single Barrel in NC is $40 and often drops to $35 on sale. If it is $55 I'd have to pass.

To me the Four Roses Small Batch is boring, good, but boring.

blues - how much is Blanton's? In NC we can occasionally get it on sale for $50.

Around $50 in DE and MD.  I like it, very smooth, easy drinker.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: bluesman on April 30, 2014, 04:36:38 PM
Four Roses Single Barrel in NC is $40 and often drops to $35 on sale. If it is $55 I'd have to pass.

To me the Four Roses Small Batch is boring, good, but boring.

blues - how much is Blanton's? In NC we can occasionally get it on sale for $50.

Around $50 in DE and MD.  I like it, very smooth, easy drinker.

+1

I think Blanton's is good, but it didn't strike me the way Four Roses did. I think a side by side is in order here.  :)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on April 30, 2014, 07:55:04 PM
Four Roses Single Barrel in NC is $40 and often drops to $35 on sale. If it is $55 I'd have to pass.

To me the Four Roses Small Batch is boring, good, but boring.

blues - how much is Blanton's? In NC we can occasionally get it on sale for $50.

Around $50 in DE and MD.  I like it, very smooth, easy drinker.

+1

I think Blanton's is good, but it didn't strike me the way Four Roses did. I think a side by side is in order here.  :)
Challenge accepted  8)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 30, 2014, 09:52:30 PM
To me Four Roses Single Barrel is just a touch sweeter. I cannot say I like one over the other, but with a $15 price difference I'd probably fall back to Four Roses much of the time.

I had the price wrong on the Colonel EH Taylor Small Batch, it turns out it was $42. I almost bought another bottle of it today, but held off for the time being till I drink down the stash. ;)
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Post by: MDixon on May 06, 2014, 12:54:02 AM
Don't care for the Angel's Envy, too much nail polish.

George T Stagg is magnificent.

Colonel EH Taylor Single Barrel is crazy beautiful. OTOH Colonel EH Taylor Rye is nothing I would ever purchase.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: redbeerman on May 06, 2014, 01:20:35 PM
Don't care for the Angel's Envy, too much nail polish.

George T Stagg is magnificent.

Colonel EH Taylor Single Barrel is crazy beautiful. OTOH Colonel EH Taylor Rye is nothing I would ever purchase.
Stagg and Taylor are both produced by Buffalo Trace.  As is Blanton's and Eagle Rare - currently one of my faves.  I think Buffalo Trace produces many fine products.  The Van Winkle series are pretty good as well.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on May 06, 2014, 01:55:35 PM
I think Buffalo Trace produces many fine products.

I agree.  Buffalo Trace has a good line up.

Elmer T. Lee is delicious and is better than many more expensive bourbons.

Weller is good stuff, too.  I can't find the twelve year, but I picked up an antique and a special reserve last week.

For my money, I'd avoid the Ridgemont Reserve.  It's a bit harsh and takes a long time to mellow with ice.  It has a high amount of rye in the grain bill, so maybe that's it.  Might be good in a manhattan.

I went on a bit of a spree last week and picked up the two Weller's, the Ridgemont and a bottle of Evan Williams Single Barrel.  The EW Single Barrel is quite good.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: redbeerman on May 06, 2014, 03:06:11 PM
I like Heaven Hill's lineup as well, Elijah Craig, Evan Williams, Henry McKenna single barrels are all pretty good.  One thing I learned down there, the best bourbon I the world is the one you enjoy drinking.  For me, that can change day to day.  Sometimes I like smooth (Blanton's, Eagle Rare) and sometimes I like something a little more robust (Henry McKenna, Evan Williams).  So many bourbons, so many flavors, only so many dollars. :'(  Funny how tasting of bunch of them together, the differences are really not all that subtle.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on May 06, 2014, 08:17:41 PM
I often switch the Bourbon during the night. Right now I am trying to eliminate the dreaded Woodford Reserve Double Oaked so it will go away. I've been starting with it mixed with ginger which is the only way I can enjoy it at all. Then moving on to something else on the rocks. Last night everything I had was neat and it's interesting how the flavors change depending upon whether you are neat, on the rocks (which in my case is one big cube), or mixed with ginger (when I am trying to eliminate something I don't care for).
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on May 08, 2014, 10:39:51 PM
Just did the Buffalo Trace tour. Really well done, and what a beautiful location. Was a bit of a tease watching them bottle Pappy van Winkle 23 year. Gonna have to buy that ASAP. Going to Four Roses tomorrow.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on May 09, 2014, 03:38:10 AM
I'm drinking a few fingers of the Four Roses right now with a single melted icecube. Realized I hadn't had any in over a week.

It's light, sweet, a bit of oak/tobacco and initially some coconut. But that is replaced by a bitterness after a few sips.

Slightly better than the Henry McKenna but also more expensive...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on May 11, 2014, 01:45:02 PM
If you are in Kentucky try to find Town Branch bourbon. That's a special treat, not very expensive either. Has the most wonderful cinnamon character. It's one of my favorite whiskeys right now.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on May 12, 2014, 12:19:33 AM
If you are in Kentucky try to find Town Branch bourbon. That's a special treat, not very expensive either. Has the most wonderful cinnamon character. It's one of my favorite whiskeys right now.

Will do! They were recommended to us when we were in Frankfort. I will pick up a bottle on the way home.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on May 12, 2014, 11:21:53 AM
A little PSA - I just haven't found a way to love Bernheim Wheat Whiskey. It's a bit too hot and alcoholic to enjoy alone and doesn't have enough character to mix. Neat was hot, with water was the best of a bad bunch, and with ice just became a mess. I tried with ginger and it's pretty boring that way so I jazzed it up and you can't fix boring. Best attribute it had was a sub 25 bean price point.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on May 12, 2014, 02:57:56 PM


I went on a bit of a spree last week and picked up the two Weller's, the Ridgemont and a bottle of Evan Williams Single Barrel. The EW Single Barrel is quite good.

Glad to hear you say that since I recommended it early on in this thread and someone (Dixon?) said it was not good. I remember it being a really nice whiskey for the price.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on May 12, 2014, 03:03:41 PM


I went on a bit of a spree last week and picked up the two Weller's, the Ridgemont and a bottle of Evan Williams Single Barrel. The EW Single Barrel is quite good.

Glad to hear you say that since I recommended it early on in this thread and someone (Dixon?) said it was not good. I remember it being a really nice whiskey for the price.

It could have been me crapping all over Evan Williams.  The regular black label is horrid and but for the recommendations here I would have avoided anything else by them.

Tasted both (well, actually made someone else do it) side by side last Wed.  No comparison.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on May 12, 2014, 03:09:24 PM
I didn't like it. I'll take the blame. ;)

It wasn't awful or anything, but there are better options.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on May 12, 2014, 05:55:17 PM
I'm out of town and brought a bottle of Tom Sims with me. A little on the thin side and not very complex but a nice sipper all the same. Especially for the price.

In fact I've enjoyed all the bourbons tried so far. Definitely they have been of varying quality and perhaps in a couple years I'll be more discerning and will turn my nose at a majority of them. But enjoyable all the same.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: redbeerman on May 12, 2014, 06:43:17 PM
Just did the Buffalo Trace tour. Really well done, and what a beautiful location. Was a bit of a tease watching them bottle Pappy van Winkle 23 year. Gonna have to buy that ASAP. Going to Four Roses tomorrow.

Good luck finding Pappy.  It's on allocation and a lot goes over seas.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on May 13, 2014, 12:03:28 AM
Just did the Buffalo Trace tour. Really well done, and what a beautiful location. Was a bit of a tease watching them bottle Pappy van Winkle 23 year. Gonna have to buy that ASAP. Going to Four Roses tomorrow.

Good luck finding Pappy.  It's on allocation and a lot goes over seas.

Yup. They were bottling it for the Japanese buyers who were standing by watching them bottle it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on May 29, 2014, 01:40:11 AM
Tonight it is "Rebel Yell" Kentucky straight bourbon whiskey. Oooweee....!! Original time honored recipe.

I'm getting that coconut caramel finish again.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on June 04, 2014, 03:10:15 PM
Delicious whiskey tasting in Portland. Stumbled across this micro distillery. They were closed but very kind gentleman have us a personal tour and then let us saddle up to the bar and sample his fantastic whiskeys. I was able to buy two bottles to take back home. I'll report tasting notes when I sober up.

(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/majorvices/1A25D1FC-3460-4538-BC8B-A3253FD75DF1.jpg)

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 25, 2014, 02:01:56 AM
Crazy day in the stores today. Picked up two Elmer T Lee, another bottle of Colonel EH Taylor, a bottle of Old Medley 12 Year and a bottle of Wathen's Single Barrel. It might be awhile till I can work these into the queue.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 25, 2014, 02:15:05 AM
Elmer and Wathen's are two of my favorites.   I look forward to your reviews.

I'm currently enjoying some Weller 12 year and have also tried blending it with Antique for the Poor Man's Pappy. 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 25, 2014, 12:44:13 PM
I should have said I got the Colonel EH Taylor Small Batch. I do not like the EH Taylor Rye and cannot find the EH Taylor Single Barrel (yet). The small batch is a $40 price point. I think the Single Barrel is about twice that.

Rye - what's funny about the Rye is the price is $70 in most stores along the NC border in SC, with the exception of one which has it at $105. I tried it in a brewpub which had an outstanding selection of Bourbons and hated it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on June 25, 2014, 02:09:53 PM
I should have said I got the Colonel EH Taylor Small Batch. I do not like the EH Taylor Rye and cannot find the EH Taylor Single Barrel (yet). The small batch is a $40 price point. I think the Single Barrel is about twice that.

Rye - what's funny about the Rye is the price is $70 in most stores along the NC border in SC, with the exception of one which has it at $105. I tried it in a brewpub which had an outstanding selection of Bourbons and hated it.

Glad I went with the Small Batch then. I think Elmer is my favorite for its price. It has that nice big creamy mouthfeel.

Anyone try Wild Turkey Rare Breed? A store clerk was trying to sell me hard on it. Was a bit pricey for me at that moment.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 26, 2014, 01:03:09 AM
I have a bottle of Russel's Reserve 10 year in the queue, if I like it I might have to try the Rare Breed, or if I can find the RB at a bar I will try it there.

Three you should skip based on the reviews I can find are the Diageo Orphan Barrel Series. As far as I can tell all are overpriced for what you get. Old Blowhard, Barterhouse, and Rhetoric. I cannot find a review that makes me want to blow $75-100 per fifth even if they all are 20 year incantations.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: yso191 on June 26, 2014, 05:12:34 AM
My younger brother loves rye whiskey.  His favorite 'regular' whiskey is Sazerac.  He is going to be 50 on his next birthday so I'd like to get him a really nice bottle of something.  I am a whiskey novice, so I thought I'd ask here: What would blow his sox off?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 26, 2014, 11:12:41 AM
Sazerac is another Buffalo Trace product. I just saw some in a store.

I really like Bulleit Rye, but it's not high dollar. I don't care for Knob Creek Rye quite as much.

That's about all I have at the moment, you might find this interesting:
http://www.thefiftybest.com/spirits/best_rye_whiskey/
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 26, 2014, 02:56:39 PM
Sazerac rye is outstanding.

I also like Russel Reserve, but couldn't get any last night so it was Rittenhouse for the cabinet.

I had a bottle of Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye years ago.  Not sure you can still find it.  If you can, that might be a nice gift.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: redbeerman on June 26, 2014, 04:36:58 PM
I've had the Widow Jane....it's quite good..
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on June 26, 2014, 05:40:23 PM
I like Templeton, but don't understand the fervor people have for it. My favorite rye is Hi-Fi Redemption, but it's only $20. Masterson's is quite good as well, as is Bulleit Rye. I wasn't exactly blown away by Hudson's rye, but it was still good.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on July 10, 2014, 06:24:47 PM
FWIW - I got around to it and Russell's Reserve ain't bad. Now I followed it with some Bulleit (both were neat), and to my tastebuds Bulleit was better.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jeffy on July 10, 2014, 06:58:29 PM
FWIW - I got around to it and Russell's Reserve ain't bad. Now I followed it with some Bulleit (both were neat), and to my tastebuds Bulleit was better.

Same here.  I have a bottle of Russell's Reserve now.  I prefer Bulleit.
I tried a bottle of Corsair Ryemagedon and was not impressed.  Very roasty, but it says chocolate rye on the label so I guess I should have been prepared.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: BrewBama on July 10, 2014, 10:30:09 PM
I am a Maker's Mark Ambassador.  My son gave me a bottle of 46 for Father's Day. I've tried many others but always come home to Maker's.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Titanium Brewing on July 10, 2014, 10:30:14 PM
I only drink whiskeys that start with the name Old.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on July 11, 2014, 12:40:27 AM
I only drink whiskeys that start with the name Old.

Old Crow?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on July 11, 2014, 04:21:29 AM
Old Ballsack...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on July 11, 2014, 10:17:23 AM
Old Leg Humper, no wait, that's a porter...


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on July 11, 2014, 11:45:13 AM
I did recently buy a bottle of Old Medley 12 Year Bourbon. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on July 11, 2014, 02:48:20 PM
Old Ballsack...

I'm going to ask for that one next time I'm at the store.

I did a little research on Old Crow and apparently it was the stuff to drink way way back in the day.  Now it's just young watered down Jim Beam, which sounds horrid.  And it's apparently marketed (who knew?) along with Old Overholt and Old Grand Dad as "the Olds."

This is making me reconsider keeping a bottle of Old Overholt in the cabinet...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Titanium Brewing on July 11, 2014, 04:59:24 PM
Old Crow is not watered down Jim Beam. It's just not aged as long, so not as much of a oak flavor as Jim Beam. From what I can gather Jim Beam makes the 3 Olds.

"the current Old Crow product uses the same mash and yeast bill as Jim Beam, but is aged for a shorter period of time and mixed to a more lenient taste profile before bottling."

I grabbed these for a "Pickleback" party I had a couple weeks ago

(http://www.titaniumbrewing.com/The_Olds.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on July 11, 2014, 05:03:42 PM
"mixed to a more lenient taste profile before bottling."

I read this as "watered down." But that may just be my interpretation.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on July 12, 2014, 03:25:55 AM
Whenever I see a bottle of Old Grand Dad I get George Thorogood stuck in my head. Not a bad soundtrack for my Friday night...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: reverseapachemaster on July 12, 2014, 02:26:02 PM
"mixed to a more lenient taste profile before bottling."

I read this as "watered down." But that may just be my interpretation.

Mine too.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: chezteth on July 13, 2014, 07:36:28 PM
Whenever I see a bottle of Old Grand Dad I get George Thorogood stuck in my head. Not a bad soundtrack for my Friday night...

+1

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on July 24, 2014, 11:29:04 AM
Had the opportunity to have Four Roses Limited Edition Single Barrel 2013 last night and it was divine. There was a little over an ounce left so I drained the bottle at the bar. I think the price point was 90 beans at the store if you could find it. I believe the 2014 version is $100 or more.

I also had the Thomas Handy Sazerac Rye which was also quite divine.
http://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/brands/antique-collection#3
I think it went for about a hundred and it also seems to be difficult to find.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on July 26, 2014, 02:01:56 AM
I have a bottle of Russel's Reserve 10 year in the queue, if I like it I might have to try the Rare Breed, or if I can find the RB at a bar I will try it there.

Russel's Reserve is ok, sandalwood and cedar with a slight bit of nail polish when neat. A little more subdued over ice.  A solid meh considering I can find better for the same or less.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on July 29, 2014, 09:05:25 PM
Might want to check on who really made what you are drinking.
http://mashbang.wordpress.com/2014/07/29/who-really-made-it/
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on July 30, 2014, 12:05:45 AM
Pretty sure most rye comes from Indiana.  And pretty much all of the small brands are sourcing their whiskey from somewhere else, even if they do blend it or age it themselves.  Smooth Ambler, Hi West, pretty much anything by Kentuck Bourbon Distillers is sourced elsewhere.

As these brands get older, a lot of them will actually have their own juice in the bottles.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on July 30, 2014, 03:47:11 AM
It can be a little tough for a start up distillery to get funding: no return for years if product is sourced and made correctly in new site, with no previous stock to sell early on
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: reverseapachemaster on July 30, 2014, 03:04:26 PM
It's a good reason why many new distilleries are also putting out a vodka or rum that doesn't require any long term aging.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on August 12, 2014, 12:03:36 PM
Finally got around to the Kirkland Signature Small Batch Bourbon. It's a 7 year old and comes from Beam (think Knob Creek). Unfortunately it ain't Knob Creek. It's like a little brother to it with a fairly strong alcohol presence at 103 proof and a light character in the aroma and flavor. At first blush I'd say skip it, but then you factor in it was only like $25 or less for a Liter and all of a sudden everyone needs a bottle. I tried it neat and on the rocks and preferred rocks, but only because it tamed the alcohol. Probably would be best to me with just a smidge of water. Really nothing to lose by purchasing this one, but it's a bit boring.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on August 12, 2014, 05:29:36 PM
I, too, have found the Kirkland to be harsh.  But with a few cubes it's decent.  And improves by the 2nd glass.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on August 22, 2014, 01:16:53 AM
Skip Old Blowhard and Rhetoric. Neither is worth the price of admission. Barterhouse is good, but it also isn't worth $75 a fifth. So far none of the Orphan Barrel series from Diageo impress me much.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on August 22, 2014, 01:45:12 PM
Bought a bottle of Collingwood 21yr Rye for $60 at Binny's. This may be the best whiskey I have ever had. I highly recommend snatching it up while it is around. Whowee is it good. I think I may buy another bottle. Seems like a steal at that price.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on August 26, 2014, 12:21:57 PM
Lately I've been enjoying the Elmer T. Lee Single Barrel. It was $36 across the line in SC and while I don't particularly love it neat it is fantastic over a single large ice cube. I had the Commemorative version the other night at a bar and it was tame compared to the bottles I picked up in SC. I guess that demonstrates the Single Barrel variability.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on August 29, 2014, 06:03:15 PM
Cracked open a bottle of Ezra B Single Barrel 12 year last night. Quite a tasty morsel, but at $35 there are Bourbons I enjoy more. However I like variety and this one from Heaven Hill is quite tasty so I make make it part of the standard lineup. It has a nice smoke to it and toast.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 1vertical on August 30, 2014, 06:40:08 PM
I gotta chime in again and put in a plug for Low Gap.  Distilled by Crispin Cain on an antique
cognac pot still.  Never been in any oak....white whiskey....good  aromatic  smooth hints at sweetness
of alcohol the hearts of the cuts.  No bad congeners .  at 30 bux a bottle you can do much worse.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on August 31, 2014, 01:04:17 PM
I've not yet tried any of the "white" variants. I may have to give one a whirl at a watering hole to see if I can stomach them. We have a distillery in NC which does a white which to me tastes like moonshine and brings back some bad memories from days gone by, almost to the point of a reversal of fortune.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on October 21, 2014, 08:32:26 PM
Purchased a few more additions to put in the queue recently.
Ancient Ancient Age - was on sale at $13 so I could not resist
Colonel EH Taylor Barrel Proof
Rock Hill Farms
Stagg Jr.
Willett Pot Still Reserve
Buck 8 Year
Walthen's Single Barrel
Old Medley 12 Year
Henry McKenna 10 Year

Most recent opening was Elijah Craig.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 06, 2014, 02:45:58 PM
Walthen's is pretty darn tasty...

...that is all.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on December 06, 2014, 03:41:52 PM
Walthen's is pretty darn tasty...

...that is all.

Indeed! A good friend of mine always has that at his house. It's a good place to visit.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 06, 2014, 06:59:55 PM
Speaking of "Old" in the name, a guy I used to contract brew for brought in some handles of Very Old Bartons to recharge some old whiskey bbls (don't tell the TTB). We had a couple rolling around in the office and I decided to take one home a couple months ago.  And you know what, it really ain't half bad for the cost. Less than $25 for a handle! I'll probably keep some around from now on.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 06, 2014, 11:12:18 PM
They actually bottle it in fifths, but I've not been able to find one. A half gallon might be in my future if I cannot locate one of the fifths.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 07, 2014, 12:44:03 AM
Major you ripped on me when I suggested VOB. For the price it's alright. Glad to see you coming around.

Wathens is a favorite. Old Medley is delicious. I have an open bottle of each in my cabinet.

I'd live to try ancient ancient age. Can't find it but regular old ancient age is a decent sip for the price. Better than decent actually.

Can't do the white whiskey. Haven't tried one that's decent.

I've been drinking rye lately. Have a bottle of JL Pepper open as well as knob creek. Either are pretty good on the rocks. Rittenhouse I prefer to mix.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 07, 2014, 03:12:25 AM
Drinking Old Medley 12 yr tonight, more peppery, I think I prefer Wathen's. Wathen's is much less expensive too!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 07, 2014, 12:08:03 PM
Major you ripped on me when I suggested VOB. For the price it's alright. Glad to see you coming around.

Wathens is a favorite. Old Medley is delicious. I have an open bottle of each in my cabinet.

I'd live to try ancient ancient age. Can't find it but regular old ancient age is a decent sip for the price. Better than decent actually.

Can't do the white whiskey. Haven't tried one that's decent.

I've been drinking rye lately. Have a bottle of JL Pepper open as well as knob creek. Either are pretty good on the rocks. Rittenhouse I prefer to mix.


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Yes. I am afraid I will have to admit you were right and my nose was up in the air a little further than I am comfortable to admit. I've actually drank half the bottle over the last several weeks. I had to be convinced by a whiskey snob friend (the same guy who brought the bottles over) that it is a good drop regardless of the price. The stuff sat in my desk drawer for over a year.

As far as white whiskey, if you practice the "ahem" art you might have more appreciation for it. Not that I would ever do that sort of thing. Heaven's no! ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 07, 2014, 08:11:22 PM
To be fair, I think VOB needs a bit of water or melted ice to take the edge off, but there a lot of bourbons that cost more that need that, too.

I've always thought if I had a barrel, I'd fill it with some like VOB to recharge it, so I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one.

And, I know there must be white whiskey out there that is decent but the craft distillers around here aren't making it.  It's almost as if they add botanicals to give it different flavors.  Different flavors of BAD.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 08, 2014, 11:50:07 AM
We have a local distillery who makes a product they call "Platinum" which tastes exactly like moonshine we procured when I was younger. When I tasted it I almost had an immediate reversal of fortune. My system just won't let me go down that path again. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 08, 2014, 12:01:11 PM
To be fair, I think VOB needs a bit of water or melted ice to take the edge off, but there a lot of bourbons that cost more that need that, too.

I've always thought if I had a barrel, I'd fill it with some like VOB to recharge it, so I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one.

And, I know there must be white whiskey out there that is decent but the craft distillers around here aren't making it.  It's almost as if they add botanicals to give it different flavors.  Different flavors of BAD.

I've been drinking it on the rocks. Took it back packing a couple weeks back and drank it with a splash of water. I usually drink my bourbons with a splash or a couple of cubes of ice anyway. I honestly think most whiskey tastes best when diluted down to about 40%.

As far as the white whiskey goes, I have not had any commercially made stuff I really could say I enjoyed. But I haven't tried a lot either. I did have Buffalo Trace's "White Dog" and it tasted like they bottled the feints. Really nasty stuff. Could not for the life of me figure out why someone would have decided that was alright to sell.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 08, 2014, 03:22:09 PM
As far as the white whiskey goes, I have not had any commercially made stuff I really could say I enjoyed. But I haven't tried a lot either. I did have Buffalo Trace's "White Dog" and it tasted like they bottled the feints. Really nasty stuff. Could not for the life of me figure out why someone would have decided that was alright to sell.

Yes!  That's exactly what the stuff I've had locally tastes like.  Except I want to refer to it as the "t'ain'ts."

I, too, typically put my whiskey on cubes. Only the 100+ proof typically gets a splash of water.  Exceptions to this rule are Pappy, which goes in a chilled glass when I have the pleasure, and anything else that seems like a rare treat not likely to be tasted again.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 09, 2014, 12:55:04 AM
I try mine a variety of ways and then settle on what is best. I have a huge ice cube tray and after a first taste that is where I go next. I picked up a half-gallon of VOB just to keep you guys happy. $20 and change.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 09, 2014, 02:36:23 PM
I try mine a variety of ways and then settle on what is best. I have a huge ice cube tray and after a first taste that is where I go next. I picked up a half-gallon of VOB just to keep you guys happy. $20 and change.

Your not keeping me happy. If and when I visit I expect to sample your best drops. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: brick pig on December 10, 2014, 07:43:44 PM
I'd live to try ancient ancient age. Can't find it but regular old ancient age is a decent sip for the price. Better than decent actually.
You may already be aware of this, but Ancient Ancient Age 10 Year (as opposed to "10 Star") has been discontinued. This was a tough blow for me; it was my go-to sipper for years. Before it was discontinued, it was only available in KY. I had a network of friends and relatives who would replenish my supply whenever they happened to go to or through KY. This past June, one of said friends stopped to pick some up and ... nope.

I've never had the 10 Star, but reviews are pretty nearly unanimous that it doesn't measure up.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 17, 2014, 07:09:13 PM
I'd agree with that, 10 star is aged at least 36 months and just didn't trip my trigger for something neat or over ice, but of course would be good mixed.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 24, 2014, 05:31:51 PM
Medley Bros. Bourbon is tasty, but a tad on the sweet side. 102 proof it goes better with a large ice cube. Best I can tell it is 4 years old.

Old Medley is 12 year and 86.8 proof and personally I like the younger brother better. Especially with the lower price point.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 24, 2014, 05:45:19 PM
i will take balvenie (too many good ones to name) and jameson (reg , 12yr, 18yr, black barrel, gold) most anytime over anything.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 24, 2014, 06:38:04 PM
i will take balvenie (too many good ones to name) and jameson (reg , 12yr, 18yr, black barrel, gold) most anytime over anything.

Yeah, love the Balvenie ones.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 24, 2014, 09:18:27 PM
i will take balvenie (too many good ones to name) and jameson (reg , 12yr, 18yr, black barrel, gold) most anytime over anything.

Yeah, love the Balvenie ones.

Mmm hmmm, tasty stuff that Doublewood.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 24, 2014, 09:22:18 PM
i will take balvenie (too many good ones to name) and jameson (reg , 12yr, 18yr, black barrel, gold) most anytime over anything.

Yeah, love the Balvenie ones.

Mmm hmmm, tasty stuff that Doublewood.

Believe I'll be breaking some out this evening, matter of fact!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 24, 2014, 09:24:35 PM
i will take balvenie (too many good ones to name) and jameson (reg , 12yr, 18yr, black barrel, gold) most anytime over anything.

Yeah, love the Balvenie ones.

Mmm hmmm, tasty stuff that Doublewood.

Believe I'll be breaking some out this evening, matter of fact!
Ah geez, and here I thought I was done Christmas shopping!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 24, 2014, 09:48:20 PM
i will take balvenie (too many good ones to name) and jameson (reg , 12yr, 18yr, black barrel, gold) most anytime over anything.

Yeah, love the Balvenie ones.

Mmm hmmm, tasty stuff that Doublewood.

Believe I'll be breaking some out this evening, matter of fact!
Ah geez, and here I thought I was done Christmas shopping!

Last minute stocking stuffer!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 25, 2014, 02:06:47 AM
You can keep yer Scotch.

I won't turn down the Jameson, but Red Breast is where it's at for Irish Whiskey.

You can pour out the Bushmills.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 25, 2014, 02:18:26 AM
You can keep yer Scotch.

I won't turn down the Jameson, but Red Breast is where it's at for Irish Whiskey.

You can pour out the Bushmills.

Yeah,  Bushmill's is overrated and Red Breast is pretty tip top for Irish. I'd bet you'd like the Doublewood - all malt but not peaty, aged in bourbon barrels then in sherry barrels. It's a damn fine whisky - my bourbon drinking friends like it. FWIW, I like good bourbon, too. I'm a big Four Roses fan, among others.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on March 14, 2015, 12:51:30 PM
Friend of mine brought me a bottle of willett pot still reserve. First time having it and enjoyed.
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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on March 14, 2015, 12:52:01 PM
Friend of mine brought me a bottle of willett pot still reserve. First time having it and enjoyed.
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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on March 14, 2015, 01:46:46 PM
Friend of mine brought me a bottle of willett pot still reserve. First time having it and enjoyed.
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Yep. That's a nice whiskey. See if you can get your friend to pick you up some Town Branch

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 14, 2015, 01:54:36 PM
I've seen the Town Branch bottles in various stores, but haven't picked one up. The reviews have been mixed is why I've passed it up.

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on March 14, 2015, 02:17:17 PM
I've seen the Town Branch bottles in various stores, but haven't picked one up. The reviews have been mixed is why I've passed it up.

Try it for yourself. I find reviews foolish in most cases. It's not a popularity contest, it's whiskey!. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on March 14, 2015, 10:18:56 PM
I've seen the Town Branch bottles in various stores, but haven't picked one up. The reviews have been mixed is why I've passed it up.

Try it for yourself. I find reviews foolish in most cases. It's not a popularity contest, it's whiskey!. ;)

We just got Town Branch here, and that will be my next purchase along with Green Spot. Need that for next week. Loving Four Roses Single Barrel.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on March 14, 2015, 11:08:03 PM
I've seen the Town Branch bottles in various stores, but haven't picked one up. The reviews have been mixed is why I've passed it up.

Try it for yourself. I find reviews foolish in most cases. It's not a popularity contest, it's whiskey!. ;)

We just got Town Branch here, and that will be my next purchase along with Green Spot. Need that for next week. Loving Four Roses Single Barrel.

Four Roses Single Barrel is what I have ben keeping stocked at the house lately. Agree, good stuff. I can't get the Town Branch here but I think I would prefer that over the Four Roses Single Barrel, especially since it's a good bit cheaper.

I've been enjoying Jim Beam Rye a lot lately as a less expensive drop. I think that is a really, really nice Rye for the price.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on March 15, 2015, 12:42:34 AM
I've seen the Town Branch bottles in various stores, but haven't picked one up. The reviews have been mixed is why I've passed it up.

Try it for yourself. I find reviews foolish in most cases. It's not a popularity contest, it's whiskey!. ;)

We just got Town Branch here, and that will be my next purchase along with Green Spot. Need that for next week. Loving Four Roses Single Barrel.

Four Roses Single Barrel is what I have ben keeping stocked at the house lately. Agree, good stuff. I can't get the Town Branch here but I think I would prefer that over the Four Roses Single Barrel, especially since it's a good bit cheaper.

I've been enjoying Jim Beam Rye a lot lately as a less expensive drop. I think that is a really, really nice Rye for the price.
high praise. I will pick that up tomorrow.

Glad to hear someone else likes Jim Beam Rye. It's pretty good good stuff, although it's been a while since I've had it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 18, 2015, 12:35:11 PM
In case anyone wants to adulterate some Bourbon with Ginger I suggest you give Old Ballycaster a whirl. Nice and spicy and it only takes a splash.
https://powellandmahoney.com/product/ginger
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: mabrungard on March 20, 2015, 12:36:35 PM
I'm really enjoying the Town Branch Rye.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: mchrispen on March 20, 2015, 02:12:30 PM
So jealous of you guys in Indiana and Kentucky. Hard to get much beyond the big brands here. And I find the so-called Texas bourbons a bit rough, although Garrison Brothers can be nice on occasion.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on March 20, 2015, 03:03:53 PM
Interesting. I've consumed a couple bottles of the 1835 90 proof Texas bourbon. Not bad for $20. And the bottle has a real cork. ;)

Labels slid off like... well, real easy so the bottles now get filled with VOB and Evan Williams sour mash straight bourbon.

Serve these two cheap bourbons out of those bottles and all I get are complements.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: mchrispen on March 20, 2015, 06:41:19 PM
I'll have to give that a try I guess... just gun shy. Found the Pedernales to be meh... the so-called corn whisky from Bone Spirits to be impossible to drink (although their gin is really nice). Those guys at Bone are pretty nice though - I hate to talk bad about their whiskey.

Garrison's is just rougher and sharper than Dickel or even Bullet... yeah I am mixing up bourbon and Tenn whisky I know.

That distillery in Indiana (name slips my mind) is cranking out some amazing Ryes for other brands... even the Jack Daniels Rye is fairly tasty!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 20, 2015, 06:47:45 PM
MGP - Midwest Grain Products
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on March 20, 2015, 06:55:22 PM
Mike is that the old Seagram's distillery?  I live about 10 minutes away from there. Love driving by when they are mashing, smell is amazing
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on March 20, 2015, 06:57:31 PM
Nevermind,  just Googled  it, and they are one and the same. Gonna have to try to get a tour in there one of these days
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on March 20, 2015, 07:08:39 PM
I've seen the Town Branch bottles in various stores, but haven't picked one up. The reviews have been mixed is why I've passed it up.

Try it for yourself. I find reviews foolish in most cases. It's not a popularity contest, it's whiskey!. ;)

We just got Town Branch here, and that will be my next purchase along with Green Spot. Need that for next week. Loving Four Roses Single Barrel.

I'll give the Green Spot a big thumbs up.  Tasty stuff.  Took a flask to the parade last weekend, along with some Tullamore 12 year.  The 12 year was smooth.  The Green Spot was head and shoulders above it, and flavorful.

As far as rye, I've been drinking a fair bit of James Pepper lately.  I like it, though it's not as smooth as some.
Title: Whiskey
Post by: mchrispen on March 25, 2015, 12:38:53 AM
Went looking for Town Branch. It's not shipped into Texas yet it seems.

I saw part of the Bourbontucky documentary and Jefferson's had a little vignette - distilled in Louisville if I recall correctly. Just cracked open a Jefferson's Reserve Very Small Batch, #1119 of 2400 bottles. It was about $50 for a 750L.

Really nicely made. Lots of cinnamon in the nose, maybe a little cherry and vanillan - but this is lighter in color than my other bourbons. A very like oak character, but slightly smoky.

On the downside, their price on Lagavulin 16 year jumped to over $100 a bottle! I got my last one on sale and the box looked like hell - but I got it for $45.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 25, 2015, 12:13:40 PM
My understanding is the higher end Jefferson's (what you had) are really good. I personally found the Jefferson's Bourbon to be pretty boring.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 28, 2015, 11:58:52 AM
I.W. Harper will be back on the US market in April. Anybody ever had it?
https://mashbang.wordpress.com/2015/03/27/i-w-harper-bourbon-returns-to-the-us/
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on March 28, 2015, 12:47:13 PM
Never had that MDixon. Let us know how it is if you try it.

I did finally sample my bottle of Town Branch. Wow. Very good. Tastes a lot like Noah's Mill with a thinner body. It will be perfect for the warm months ahead. Thanks for the recommendation. For the price, I would not have thought it would be this good.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on March 29, 2015, 12:03:46 AM
Never had that MDixon. Let us know how it is if you try it.

I did finally sample my bottle of Town Branch. Wow. Very good. Tastes a lot like Noah's Mill with a thinner body. It will be perfect for the warm months ahead. Thanks for the recommendation. For the price, I would not have thought it would be this good.

Glad you liked it! Very excellent bourbon, especially considering the price, as you say.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: akwarmike on April 29, 2015, 11:29:14 AM
I'm a bourbon drinker. I love the stuff. I don't know prices where you are but probably the best lowest priced "passable" boubon you can buy that is ~20 is Maker's Mark. There's also Bulleit and Buffalo Trace and a few others I can think of.

Opinions being what they are, and everyone having one and all that, I have to disagree somewhat here.

You can get decent bourbons under $20.  Ancient Age is, in my opinion, pretty damn good for the price.  Very Old Barton 100 proof needs a splash of water but is also a decent sipper.  Anything by Weller, though some of them push up over $20.  Weller is supposedly the same juice that goes into Pappy Van Winkle, which is much much pricier.

Makers is OK.  Probably better than OK, but not something I typically stock.  Not a huge fan of Buffalo Trace but it's OK, too.  You can do better for the money, IMO.

In the mid-$20s I like Wathen's and Elmer T. Lee.  In the pricier range, I enjoy Four Roses Single Barrel and Noah's Mill (bottled by KBD but distilled by others).  Shared some Blanton's with a friend last week and it was better than I recalled but still over priced (again, IMO).

I'm told Evan Williams is a decent bourbon at a low low price point.

I've heard the same, and have a bottle in my cabinet.  On the bottom shelf next to the Beam.  OK for mixing or using in a BBQ sauce or mop sauce.

Elijah Craig gets a lot of praise, too.  It's OK.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Templeton Rye base spirit is made by MGP, a bioplastics food conglomerate, in Indiana. (95% rye, 5% barley) That base spirit is sold to several different brands to make several different whiskeys like Templeton Rye, Bulleit Rye, Willet, George Dickel Rye, etc.

So long story short, it may not be made in your home state.

You are not wrong.  Rye is a whole 'nother thread and I could go on an on.  Can't beat the Sazerac rye if/when you can get it. 

Here's a fun read which can maybe also give Euge some guidance on what to try next. 

http://www.gq.com/life/food/201311/bourbon-whiskey-family-tree

I went on a budget bourbon spree last year (or maybe two years ago) and Ancient Age, VOB and Weller were the best of the bunch.  You can also check out StraightBourbon.com and other sites dedicated to whiskey.

I agree that Ancient Age is not too bad rot gut, but it's not great and less than OK in my opinion. very old Barton is rot gut though. Shocked you find it acceptable. But just goes to show you different strokes....

I certainly don't think Maker's is a great bourbon, but is is great for the price. In fact, for the price and for commonly found bourbons I think it is about as good as you'll find.

George Dickel is a brand of Tennessee whiskey primarily distilled, mellowed, and aged in Cascade Hollow, Tennessee, near Tullahoma.  I was lucky enough to stop there and get a tour and sampling a couple weeks ago.  Yes they were bought out by Diageo PLC a few years back but still distill the Old No. 8 Brand with a black label, at 80 proof,  Superior No. 12 Brand with a beige label, at 90 proof, Barrel Select Tennessee is a small batch whiskey at 86 proof, and , No. 1 Foundation Recipe white corn whiskey at 91 proof right there in Cascade Hollow.  The George Dickel Rye Whisky[3] with a green label is a rye whiskey at 90 proof (produced at MGP Indiana).  The process was awesome to see as they were distilling the day we were there.  I do like Makers Mark and Makers 46, Buffalo Trace, Four Roses, and Bulleit (Even though Diageo owns them too).  Just picked up a bottle of Dickels Superior No 12, and it's actually really good neat or on the rocks.  I plan on finding some of the Barrel Select next as I remember it was even better than the No 12.  Just a note I found a bottle of Duke Bourbon (John Wayne son is making Bourbon now), haven't tapped into it yet but I'll let you know what I think.

Here is a list of Diageo Brands:

Beer: Guinness, Tusker, Smithwick's, Red Stripe, Harp Lager, Kilkenny, Kaliber (non-alcoholic), Windhoek
Scotch whisky: Johnnie Walker, Buchanan's, Cardhu, Justerini & Brooks (J&B), Bell's, Black & White, White Horse, Logan, Caol Ila, Vat 69, Oban, Talisker, Lagavulin, Glen Ord, Glenkinchie, Dalwhinnie, Cragganmore, Clynelish, Singleton, Haig, Royal Lochnagar, Glen Elgin, Knockando, The Dimple Pinch
Vodka: Smirnoff, Cîroc, Silent Sam, Popov, Ketel One
Gin: Gordon's, Tanqueray, Booth's, Nolet's Gin
Rum: Captain Morgan, Bundaberg, Pampero, Cacique, Myers's, Zacapa
Bourbon: Bulleit, Orphan Barrel[34]
American Whiskey: Seagram's Seven Crown
Canadian whisky: Crown Royal, Seagram's VO
Tennessee whiskey: George Dickel
Tequila: Don Julio, Peligroso, DeLeón
Schnapps: Black Haus, Rumple Minze
Baijiu: Shui Jing Fang
Mixed drinks: Archers, Pimm's, Jeremiah Weed, Smirnoff Cocktails
Liqueur: Baileys, Sheridans, Yukon Jack, Godiva
Wines: Sterling Vineyards, Beaulieu Vineyard, Chalone, Piat d'Or, Blossom Hill, Canoe Ridge Vineyard, Acacia, Moon Mountain, Dynamite, Provenance Vineyards, Hewitt Vineyard, Rosenblum and Navarro Correas.

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 29, 2015, 12:18:55 PM
Duke Bourbon is made by Wild Turkey.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 29, 2015, 08:31:44 PM
Picked up a fifth of IW Harper today, skipped the Town Branch for now as it was plentiful and almost 40 bucks.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on May 04, 2015, 12:50:33 AM
Opened a Henry McKenna 10 Year tonight and it was boring and disappointing. I'd much rather have a bottle of Medley Bros., Eagle Rare, Wathen's, Evan Williams Single Barrel, or Old Grand Dad 114 to name a few. HK was not bad Bourbon, just boring.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on May 04, 2015, 01:00:06 AM
Been trading off between wathens, Elmer lee, and four roses single barrel lately.

All delicious. But I think I prefer the Elmer.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on May 04, 2015, 11:39:48 AM
I like all three of those, the Elmer bottles I have are just a bit rougher in the flavor than Wathens or the FR Single Barrel, but I may just agree with you. At first I wasn't quite a fan of Elmer T Lee, but it really grew on me.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on May 04, 2015, 03:10:40 PM
Since they're single barrel bottles, there is variation as I'm sure you know.  So my bottle of Elmer may be a tad different than yours.

My current bottle of Elmer has just been standing out a little bit more than the others.  Not a huge amount, but enough.  I'll try it tonight to check for rough edges.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on May 04, 2015, 05:26:08 PM
I am near certain both my bottles of Elmer came from the same batch. I did try the black label Elmer Commemorative Edition (http://gobourbon.com/buffalo-trace-releases-elmer-t-lee-commemorative-edition-bourbon/) from 2013 IIRC and I did not care for it as much as my bottle of Elmer at home. It had less character.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on May 17, 2015, 05:14:05 PM
Two disappointments:
Old Ezra - 7 year old - 101 proof - pretty boring
Henry McKenna - 10 year - Bottled in bond - also boring

I'll give them both a better evaluation as I drain the bottles, but neither has much character IMO. I see quite a few rave reviews for the HM, but thus far I've not been excited.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 1vertical on May 27, 2015, 06:12:33 AM
I know that Elijah Craig goes very well in Denny's BVIP.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on May 27, 2015, 01:22:52 PM
Reviews are like the proverbial... Well anyway you gotta look hard and long at anything interesting with a review these days. I'm willing to bet that the bulk of them are canned, regurgitated or outright fictitious.

Then you have to be the final arbiter regardless.


One day I will step up into your high dollar bourbons. Still doing well and appreciating the more pedestrian and reasonably priced whiskies that I can afford. I'm even branching out into Scotch but Bourbon is a better drinker IMO.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on May 27, 2015, 02:04:57 PM
I think in the case of the HM the issue is it being single barrel and it just happens that barrel was boring. I see far too many reviews which are positive for it to be a fluke or fake. For sub $30 I'll pick up another bottle somewhere and test the theory. Keep in mind it isn't bad at all, just pedestrian.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 1vertical on May 27, 2015, 02:24:23 PM
but Bourbon is a better drinker IMO.

+1 ^^
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on May 27, 2015, 02:56:50 PM
but Bourbon is a better drinker IMO.

+1 ^^
Agreed, and I love Scotch - the smokier and peatier the better. But it's a sipper, especially the smoky ones. Good bourbon is much more dangerous.

By the way, thanks to everyone who has been keeping this conversation going. I recently tried Eagle Rare for the first time based on what I've picked up on this thread and it was fantastic. The vanilla and sweetness makes it go down way too easily. You wouldn't need much sugar to make a killer julep with it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: redbeerman on June 02, 2015, 01:31:22 PM
but Bourbon is a better drinker IMO.

+1 ^^
Agreed, and I love Scotch - the smokier and peatier the better. But it's a sipper, especially the smoky ones. Good bourbon is much more dangerous.

By the way, thanks to everyone who has been keeping this conversation going. I recently tried Eagle Rare for the first time based on what I've picked up on this thread and it was fantastic. The vanilla and sweetness makes it go down way too easily. You wouldn't need much sugar to make a killer julep with it.

Eagle Rare is my standard go to.  I have found that I enjoy most of what comes out of Buffalo Trace.  I bought a bottle of Stagg jr. for the heck of it.  Needs a little ice to cool it down a bit (134 proof barrel strength) but the depth of flavor is astounding.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on June 09, 2015, 05:06:30 PM
My mother drank Cluny (blended). So that's my house Scotch at the moment; seems more approachable for a Bourbon drinker as it isn't like licking an ashtray every time one takes a sip. Has a nice malt profile that would be appropriate in a beer IMO. Very drinkable.

Picked up a bottle of Rebel Yell Small Batch reserve and can't wait to try it this evening, perhaps earlier...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on July 13, 2015, 10:48:54 AM
Ok, I was a little fast to judge Old Ezra 101. By itself it ain't worth your time, but in a mixed drink it is divine. If you want something a little higher end to stick in the bar, this may be the one.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 1vertical on July 24, 2015, 05:01:21 AM
I just cracked open a bottle of Low Gap white Rye....OMG so good and smooth....ahhhhh
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on September 08, 2015, 04:29:02 PM
I am finally running out of several bottles all at once. I bought Wild Turkey Rare Breed, and really like it. Nice and spicy without feeling thin. Was looking for Elmer T. Lee, but saw that was sold out. Might have to go with Wathen's next. Haven't had that in a while. The Four Roses single barrels are pretty hard to beat for me lately.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on September 10, 2015, 12:20:57 AM
Rock Hill Farms Bourbon is pretty good stuff, another Buffalo Trace product.

IW Harper is a disappointment in both the 82 proof and the 15 year.

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on September 10, 2015, 02:28:47 AM
I'm not a huge fan of regular buffalo trace but they have the best line up of bourbon by far, IMO.

My most recent purchase though is Bulliet. Not bad at all. Great with BBQ. Took a bottle to my football draft and picked up another a couple days later.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on September 10, 2015, 06:01:49 PM
I'm not a huge fan of regular buffalo trace but they have the best line up of bourbon by far, IMO.

My most recent purchase though is Bulliet. Not bad at all. Great with BBQ. Took a bottle to my football draft and picked up another a couple days later.

+1 to Buffalo Trace lineup as well as Bulliet. I haven't had the Bulliet Rye yet. Any good?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on September 10, 2015, 06:17:58 PM
I had some Bulliet rye awhile ago.  We used it for Manhattan's, and it makes a good one.  I don't recall if we tried it straight up or not.

Of course, you can make a decent Manhattan with Old Overholt, which I wouldn't want to drink straight.  So take that for whatever it's worth.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on September 10, 2015, 07:05:26 PM
Bulleit Rye is good, but it is made by MGP (Midwest Grain Products). In reality MGP makes good Bourbon as well.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: tschmidlin on September 12, 2015, 08:52:44 AM
Yager is here and we are drinking JP Trodden Bourbon, from a local distillery.  Miss you guys.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on September 14, 2015, 04:34:44 AM
Yager is here and we are drinking JP Trodden Bourbon, from a local distillery.  Miss you guys.

People probably don't know that I'm Yager! If any of your want to try some great beer head out to Postdoc Brewing. Solid beers. The whiskey needs some work though. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on September 28, 2015, 02:04:57 PM
I had some Knob Creek Single Barrel Reserve yesterday while tailgating before the Pat's game. I've never had a barrel-strength whiskey (or whisky, for that matter) that was such a smooth sipper. It still had a lot of sweetness left, and that ended up balancing out the heat and leaving a remarkably rich mouthfeel. This is a dangerous one.

Knob Creek is my "first love" when it comes to bourbon, and this is like seeing her at your 20-year reunion looking hotter than ever. Great stuff.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on September 28, 2015, 02:32:51 PM
Barrel strength can be dangerous.

I've got some Red Breast barrel strength Irish Whiskey.  One must be careful on St. Pats.  It's smooth, but it's strong.

I've also had a couple of the Four Roses barrel strength offerings.  It's really cool to taste the differences between the barrels.  But again, care must be taken. 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on September 28, 2015, 02:47:36 PM
It's Scotch, but I had some Macallan 18 the other night at a restaurant. In my area this goes for $250 a fifth in the liquor store. Awesome stuff, but the price of admission is just too high.

Also recently found Smokehead Scotch at a restaurant in GA and it is just as ashy as I remember. Picked up a fifth in SC. Had this at Cafe Highlander in Antwerpen many moons ago with a McEwan Scotch Ale chaser. Now the issue is I cannot find McEwan Scotch Ale anywhere to relive the experience. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on September 29, 2015, 12:41:55 AM
Barrel strength can be dangerous.

I've got some Red Breast barrel strength Irish Whiskey.  One must be careful on St. Pats.  It's smooth, but it's strong.

I've also had a couple of the Four Roses barrel strength offerings.  It's really cool to taste the differences between the barrels.  But again, care must be taken.

Agreed on barrel strength. Ever since I finished my bottle of Town Branch, it has all been barrel strength.

I need another new bourbon. Might try a high west offering of some kind, but those Four Roses single barrels are too damn good. Need to stock something full for the Cubs' wildcard game.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on September 29, 2015, 11:43:57 AM
FWIW - High West is mostly blended Bourbons from Midwest Grain Products in Indiana.
http://recenteats.blogspot.com/p/the-complete-list-of-american-whiskey.html
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on September 29, 2015, 07:44:09 PM
I could be wrong, but I think MGP distills most of the rye that you will find out there.

There are some great whiskeys that start at MGP.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on September 29, 2015, 08:51:19 PM
He is right about that. The issue is are they worth the price of admission or not. ;)

Had a really good Japanese whiskey the other night, Hakushu 12 year. Currently looking for a bottle to take home. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on September 29, 2015, 09:13:07 PM
Wow. That is a long list. That Redemption Rye coming out of MGP is very good, and usually about $20-30. One of my favorites. I think I will pass on the High West this time. They are too many blends to choose from, and they are too pricey for what I have had so far.

Good to know about the Hakushu 12 year. I've never had a Japanese whiskey. I will seek that one out.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Biran on September 30, 2015, 03:44:56 PM
For that price point I like Maker's Mark or Bulleit Bourbon.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Scot (one T) on October 01, 2015, 01:04:59 AM
http://drinkmicro.com/2015/09/29/10-whiskeys-you-need-in-your-life/

I have to agree with this list beings that I make the #2 in my day job!

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on October 01, 2015, 02:28:43 AM
He is right about that. The issue is are they worth the price of admission or not. ;)

Had a really good Japanese whiskey the other night, Hakushu 12 year. Currently looking for a bottle to take home. ;)
Interesting. I've only ever seen Suntory in my travels. I thought it was good, but nothing special for the price.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on October 01, 2015, 12:09:11 PM
Turns out the Hakushu 12 has a much higher price point than I was expecting. Around here it is running $85-90 and that puts it outside my comfort zone.

The NC ABC stores have it, but SC has run dry according to the person I spoke with. He indicated people have started to notice the Japanese Whiskeys and they are now MIA in SC.

Another oddity I noticed was Rowan's Creek. The shelf was bare and the shelf tag in SC said limit 1 bottle per customer. I had a buddy ask me about it as well. I've not sampled it yet, it was on my to do list. I wonder if it go some press recently which drove up demand.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 01, 2015, 02:14:03 PM
I've not been impressed with Rowan's Creek.  For my money, I'd rather spend a little bit more and get Noah's Mill.  The price difference around here is approximately $5 or so (IIRC) and to me the Noah's Mill is far superior.

Rowan's Creek was not bad.  Just not worth the price and lacking in complexity and flavor (again, going by memory).
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on October 01, 2015, 03:19:15 PM
I've not been impressed with Rowan's Creek.  For my money, I'd rather spend a little bit more and get Noah's Mill.  The price difference around here is approximately $5 or so (IIRC) and to me the Noah's Mill is far superior.

Rowan's Creek was not bad.  Just not worth the price and lacking in complexity and flavor (again, going by memory).

I totally agree with this.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 01, 2015, 07:09:13 PM
I've not been impressed with Rowan's Creek.  For my money, I'd rather spend a little bit more and get Noah's Mill.  The price difference around here is approximately $5 or so (IIRC) and to me the Noah's Mill is far superior.

Rowan's Creek was not bad.  Just not worth the price and lacking in complexity and flavor (again, going by memory).

I totally agree with this.

Made a Binny's run at lunch.  The difference between the Creek and the Mill was around $13.  But this does not change my opinion.  Particularly as the Binny's price for Noah's Mill is $5 - 10 more than I can get it for at Vin.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 02, 2015, 02:11:20 AM
So, on my lunch run I picked up an Old Forester Signature 100 proof and a Knob Creek 100 proof.

Old Forester is primarily hot.  A little spicy.  There's vanilla in there if you wait for it to open up and look for it.  But mostly hot.  Also very light in color.

Knob Creek has a much greater complexity.  More flavors. Vanilla, oak, etc.  Not hot at all.

Same price, as the Knob Creek was on sale. 

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on October 02, 2015, 12:09:32 PM
I have a bottle of Old Forrester 1870 which is 90 proof waiting in the queue. It had pretty good reviews when I checked it out so I grabbed it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 02, 2015, 02:29:46 PM
In general, I've heard good things about Old Forrester.  Maybe I should've gone with the regular bottling.  I'd be interested to hear what you think once you crack it open.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: brewday on October 04, 2015, 03:00:03 AM
It had pretty good reviews when I checked it out so I grabbed it.

What are your go-to sources for reviews?  This thread has been a great resource for me but I'd like to branch out a bit.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on October 04, 2015, 10:19:08 PM
I usually Google them and aggregate the reviews myself. Often you have to ignore those attending free events and dig into those offering their opinion.

Many may disagree with my thoughts on Bourbon because I don't care for "rougher" Bourbons like Woodford Reserve or really alcoholic Bourbons like Booker's. I much prefer something smoother, but it has to have a great character. Boring don't cut it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 04, 2015, 11:15:53 PM
I check out the bourbon forums now and then.  I think one of them is straightbourbon.com or something like that.

You can get a decent consensus from reading what people there have to say.  There's a lot of noise sometimes, and I don't always agree, but it's a nice starting point.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 04, 2015, 11:55:09 PM
Knob Creek has a much greater complexity.  More flavors. Vanilla, oak, etc.  Not hot at all.

+1.  I haven't had near the variety of good bourbons as you, Joe (though single malt Scotch might be another story), but I really enjoy Knob Creek 100 - I find it pretty dangerously drinkable at 100. Though some of the Four Roses and Eagle Rare 10 are mighty fine as well IMO. I need to try more.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 05, 2015, 12:17:30 AM
I will never catch up in the single malt category.  I just don't enjoy it.

Bourbon, on the other hand, I enjoy almost too much.  Started drinking the better bourbons back in my 20s.  That's when I ran through the Bs.  Bookers, Basil Haden, Blantons.  And also realized that you could get good bourbon for less than premium price.  In those days, there were bottles of Pappy just sitting on the top shelf easily available.  What a change.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on October 07, 2015, 12:44:21 AM
So right now Rock Hill Farms is tripping my trigger. Another Buffalo Trace product and it is pretty tasty.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 07, 2015, 01:40:31 AM
Don't mix Old Forrester Signature with Knob Creek... 

I think the Old Forrester is going to get relegated to a mixer.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on October 11, 2015, 09:21:55 PM
FEW whiskey out of Evanston - solid bourbon, a little pricey for what it is. Goes well with Cubs playoff baseball though.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on October 11, 2015, 09:58:40 PM
I had a guy tell me FEW wasn't so great. Now I gotta go look at the reviews.

FWIW - hoping to have some of this at a bar this week (on the work dime). WILL NOT be purchasing a pint.
https://mashbang.wordpress.com/2015/10/05/600-fifth-of-bourbon-john-e-fitzgerald-very-special-reserve/
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 11, 2015, 11:42:19 PM
I've only had the FEW white whiskey.  Nasty stuff. But most white whiskeys are nasty in my opinion.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on October 12, 2015, 12:04:44 AM
I would recommend sampling FEW, but it is not worth the price of a bottle. Similar to Town Branch, but twice the price. The finish is not nearly as good as Town Branch as well.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 16, 2015, 08:01:13 PM
Ran into Binny's today to get a bottle of Very Old Barton for adding to my bourbon stout.  It seems like they're not carrying it anymore, or else they sell it out pretty quick (which would be odd for bottom shelf bourbon).

Anyway, I noticed that all of the bottle prices seem to have increased by about 10% in the last year.  What's up with that?

Four Roses Single Barrel is now $38.99 when it was always under $35.  Wathen's is $35, was always $32 or under.  Etc. etc.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on October 16, 2015, 08:40:50 PM
There is a bourbon and whiskey movement, creating new drinkers and the expected future demand is outpacing production , or at least that is what I have been told by family members. This was after an afternoon on the bourbon trail at Town Branch, Woodford, and Buffalo trace. From what the distillers said, we can only expect prices to continue to rise and s scarcity to increase. Just hear say and maybe distillers trying to justify, but think of all the marketing out there now pushing these spirits. Trying to get millennials Drinking top shelf spirits
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: brewday on October 24, 2015, 02:11:44 AM
I'm winding down a bottle of 4RSB that I've really enjoyed and I'm looking to try something different.  I'm a long time single malt guy, but still kinda new to bourbon.

I did treat myself to a post game Bulliet 10yr at Rockit after the Cubs knocked of the Cards last week, and I remember really liking it.  The oak/smoke I got from it actually reminded me a lot more of a SM Scotch than a bourbon.  But that came after a pretty good beer session at Wrigley, so I suppose my judgment could've been clouded.  Any thoughts on it - is it worth $42?

Rock Hill Farms sounds intriguing, I might look for it.  Also I see Maker's cask strength is $49 at Costco right now, anyone tried it?

Any other suggestions?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on October 24, 2015, 05:00:05 PM
I'm winding down a bottle of 4RSB that I've really enjoyed and I'm looking to try something different.  I'm a long time single malt guy, but still kinda new to bourbon.

I did treat myself to a post game Bulliet 10yr at Rockit after the Cubs knocked of the Cards last week, and I remember really liking it.  The oak/smoke I got from it actually reminded me a lot more of a SM Scotch than a bourbon.  But that came after a pretty good beer session at Wrigley, so I suppose my judgment could've been clouded.  Any thoughts on it - is it worth $42?

Rock Hill Farms sounds intriguing, I might look for it.  Also I see Maker's cask strength is $49 at Costco right now, anyone tried it?

Any other suggestions?
I haven't tried that Maker's cask, but I am in general not a fan of Maker's Mark. Let us know what you think if you get it.
I'm a big fan of Noah's Mill. If you like 4RSB, I think you will like that. Additionally, Elmer T Lee, and Wathans come to mind. If you like a smoky American whiskey, then I would go with Balcones Brimstone. I like to get a glass of that when I am at a good whiskey bar.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: brewday on October 24, 2015, 07:41:56 PM
That's good info, thanks.  I've got some exploring to do.  Been close to pulling the trigger on Wathans, and now that I see it endorsed here a couple of times, I may just give it a shot.

As for Makers Mark, totally agree.  To me it's thin and kinda lifeless, and probably a big reason why I've been slow to move to bourbon.  But I am intrigued by the cask strength.  I might have to sneak it into the cart next time out.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 24, 2015, 11:36:05 PM
For just about the same price as makers, I'd go for knob creek.

Can't go wrong with wathens even though I'm not enjoying my current bottle as much as I had hoped. That's single barrel for you I guess.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on October 24, 2015, 11:46:43 PM
For just about the same price as makers, I'd go for knob creek.

Same here. Much better bourbon IMO. I'm not a Maker's hater by any means, I just think there's a noticeable leap in quality between the two.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: brewday on October 25, 2015, 02:17:30 AM
Ok noted.  Thanks gentlemen.

Switching gears...

What about beer barrel bourbon - ever had it?  I noticed a bottle from New Holland, and my first thought was that it would be a white whiskey quickly oaked and finished in a stout barrel.  No thanks.

But it looks like a decently aged bourbon, and the fact that it's finished in Dragon's Milk casks has my attention.

Just curious.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 25, 2015, 03:25:05 AM
Dragon's Milk is the best.  Dunno about the bourbon.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on October 25, 2015, 04:20:16 PM
I'd prefer not to dilute our long thread with a beer discussion. ;)

Still after that really expensive John E Fitzgerald, the bar which has it was closed last week so I gotta make sure I am there on some day other than Monday.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on October 30, 2015, 12:39:49 PM
In general, I've heard good things about Old Forrester.  Maybe I should've gone with the regular bottling.  I'd be interested to hear what you think once you crack it open.

I opened the 1870 last night. It was quite good, still need to give it some additional tasting. I was having some really dark chocolate with espresso which was quite dry and that lead to a strong cherry flavor and sweetness which I really don't think was as prominent as it seemed. I snapped a photo of the 1870 and the 1897 side by side in the liquor store. 1870 was $45 and 1897 was $50. I don't think the 1870 is too far out of line at that price based on my single experience, but like I said, more tasting is required to fully peel that onion.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on October 30, 2015, 01:43:00 PM
I took a flask of the Signature to a party.  It was described as rough by the others who shared it.  Definitely a one-time purchase.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on October 31, 2015, 12:19:35 AM
The 1870 with a clean palate is peppery and a tad hot. Nice brown sugar flavor and finish. Worth the $45 price of admission.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on October 31, 2015, 04:13:24 PM
The 1870 and 1897 are definitely different birds from the Signature. I'm gonna pick up an 1897 the next time I run into it and give it a whirl.

http://www.oldforester.com/bourbon/
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: chumley on November 02, 2015, 09:33:36 PM
I had a dram of Redbreast 12 last night while watching the last game of the World Series.  Now that is a fine whiskey.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 1vertical on November 03, 2015, 05:44:30 AM
I had a dram of Redbreast

Rather Small glass eh?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: chumley on November 03, 2015, 08:36:36 PM
Yes, it was a very small glass.

At least that is what I told my wife, and I am sticking to that story.  8)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on November 20, 2015, 11:44:32 PM
I've been loving this bottle of Tincup, out of Colorado. 84 proof, with a nice oaky presence. A good juicy middle, with plenty of herbs and spice. I bought on sale for $25 to boot, which will make this a repeat buy. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on November 23, 2015, 02:26:40 PM
I've been loving this bottle of Tincup, out of Colorado. 84 proof, with a nice oaky presence. A good juicy middle, with plenty of herbs and spice. I bought on sale for $25 to boot, which will make this a repeat buy. Highly recommended.

It's another MGP whiskey.
http://recenteats.blogspot.com/p/the-complete-list-of-american-whiskey.html
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 01, 2015, 02:02:23 AM
Opened both the Rowan's and the Noah's tonight to see the difference. Rowan's was nice and tame, but at ~$35-40 it needs a kick in the pants to outshine some of the contenders at that price point. Noah's was a bit hotter with pepper and cinnamon characteristics and higher alcohols until the ice started to melt. Then it became clear this was head and shoulders above the Rowan's. At a $45-50 price point it does shine, but there are Bourbons I prefer more. That's just first impressions, my opinion may change as the bottles drain. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on December 01, 2015, 05:10:27 AM
Mike, that MGP listing is ridiculous,  and once again, I must say that I need to get over there and check the place out. It's a 10 minute drive from home
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 01, 2015, 01:01:19 PM
I don't think MGP bottles anything, they just sell it for others to age and bottle. It would be a cool tour!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 01, 2015, 01:10:37 PM
For just about the same price as makers, I'd go for knob creek.

Same here. Much better bourbon IMO. I'm not a Maker's hater by any means, I just think there's a noticeable leap in quality between the two.

Makers was great when it was $10 cheaper than it is now. Now there is no way I'd buy Maker's when Knob Creek and Woodford Reserve and a handful of other premium whiskey's are about the same price.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: yso191 on December 01, 2015, 05:33:10 PM
I'm wanting to buy a very nice bottle of whiskey for the holidays.  What do you recommend?  Anything under $100.  I realize I am probably opening myself up for 40 opinions but I hope to distill (pun intended) a decision out of your responses.

I find I do not prefer peaty scotch.  Also in my limited experience I have preferred rye whiskeys.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 01, 2015, 05:55:51 PM
I had some Michter's this weekend.  Too much, actually.  But it was delicious.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on December 01, 2015, 06:11:07 PM
I had some Michter's this weekend.  Too much, actually.  But it was delicious.

That is good stuff. I think that will be my next purchase. I wanted to get Noah's Mill last time, but they were out, so I got another bottle of Wild Turkey Rare Breed. This one isn't as good as the last one, but for $40 is still quite good.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 01, 2015, 07:55:01 PM
I'm wanting to buy a very nice bottle of whiskey for the holidays.  What do you recommend?  Anything under $100.  I realize I am probably opening myself up for 40 opinions but I hope to distill (pun intended) a decision out of your responses.

I find I do not prefer peaty scotch.  Also in my limited experience I have preferred rye whiskeys.

Colonel EH Taylor Small Batch ~$40
Four Roses Single Barrel ~$40
and since you have a bit of that $100 left just get some Buffalo Trace. ;)

Blanton's is a wise decision.

As far as rye, Sazerac Rye would be ~$30, Four Roses Rye is good, Bulleit Rye is good, most Rye are MGP sourced, but are still great whiskeys.

I would not suggest you spend 100 beans on a single bottle, most of the $40-50 offerings are as good or better than anything in that price point.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 01, 2015, 08:07:25 PM
Sazerac Rye, if you can find it, is the tops in my opinion.

It's been awhile since I had it, but I recall enjoying Russel's Reserve Rye.

There are a couple others I keep around the house, but they are mixers.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on December 02, 2015, 03:50:41 AM
I'm wanting to buy a very nice bottle of whiskey for the holidays.  What do you recommend?  Anything under $100.  I realize I am probably opening myself up for 40 opinions but I hope to distill (pun intended) a decision out of your responses.

I find I do not prefer peaty scotch.  Also in my limited experience I have preferred rye whiskeys.

Colonel EH Taylor Small Batch ~$40
Four Roses Single Barrel ~$40
and since you have a bit of that $100 left just get some Buffalo Trace. ;)

Blanton's is a wise decision.

As far as rye, Sazerac Rye would be ~$30, Four Roses Rye is good, Bulleit Rye is good, most Rye are MGP sourced, but are still great whiskeys.

I would not suggest you spend 100 beans on a single bottle, most of the $40-50 offerings are as good or better than anything in that price point.

I heartily gree with all of this. I love the Four Roses Single Barrels, and Colonel EH Taylor Small Batch. Redemption High Rye is a good rye for the $20-30 range. Otherwise, I would recommend Noah's Mill, and Prichard's Double Barrel.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 02, 2015, 03:53:31 AM
Yep. Agree with Dixon.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 02, 2015, 01:25:01 PM
I made a flub, I meant Knob Creek Rye. I don't think Four Roses makes a rye (I was typing too fast).

Noah's Mill might be a bit hot for some tastes, kinda like Booker's. Baker's would be a good choice as would Basil Hayden's. For that matter Eagle Rare is a fine one for an inexpensive price and Elijah Craig isn't too shabby either.

I've really enjoyed Old Forrester 1870 ($45) lately and have a bottle of Old Forrester 1897 ($50) which has been getting good reviews.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: riceral on December 02, 2015, 03:30:52 PM
Angel's Envy is expensive but less than $100 and worth it. A bottle around here runs $60-$65.

Agree with Joe Sr about Sazerac rye.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: pete b on December 02, 2015, 04:13:11 PM
Sazerac Rye, if you can find it, is the tops in my opinion.

It's been awhile since I had it, but I recall enjoying Russel's Reserve Rye.

There are a couple others I keep around the house, but they are mixers.
I will have to try some drinking rye. I keep Old Overholt around as an economical mixer but would like a sipper. I might try the sazerac first, and of course in addition to sipping I'll have to make a sazerac with it, its one of my favorite cocktails.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: yso191 on December 02, 2015, 05:40:12 PM
Thanks everyone.  I may have to take a trip to Seattle to get the Sazerac.  Yakima does not have a good liquor store.  Everyone only has the stuff that sells a lot, no specialty or hard to find items.  I went to the best stocked store in town yesterday and brought up the list that Dixon made...nothing.

I know I can find a Knob Creek though.  Thanks Guys.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 02, 2015, 09:17:10 PM
FWIW - I do not care for Angel's Envy...YMMV

Colonel EH Taylor could be difficult to find, but not impossible. The rest shouldn't be difficult at all.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 02, 2015, 09:53:33 PM
I enjoyed some Angel's Envy on Halloween.  About the same way I enjoyed the Michter's.  A little too much.  Again, no real tasting notes other than I enjoyed it.

Knob Creek rye is good.  Bulliet rye, also.  Either should be easy to find.

As far as a Sazerac (the drink) no one around here actually makes it with Sazerac, even when they have it on the shelf.  It confuses me.  I admonish them and ask them to substitute it for me.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 02, 2015, 10:49:31 PM
Finally having the John E Fitzgerald 20 year. $300 retail for a 375 ml. At the bar it is $100 per ounce.  It is stellar by the way, but I'm too cheap to have it on my own nickel.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on December 05, 2015, 03:46:07 PM
Finally having the John E Fitzgerald 20 year. $300 retail for a 375 ml. At the bar it is $100 per ounce.  It is stellar by the way, but I'm too cheap to have it on my own nickel.
At those prices, I would be too.

I paid $35 for a pour of Laphroig 30-year once, but that's about my upper limit. Worth every penny and then some, by the way.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 05, 2015, 06:13:37 PM
It was awesome, but I just cannot stomach $300 a 375ml ($600 a fifth). FWIW - Maccallan 25 is running $999 a fifth in our liquor stores. That is $40 an ounce retail...ouchy!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 07, 2015, 02:05:04 AM
Old Forrester 1870 is killer, 1897 is only 100 proof, but comes off too hot and not to my liking. As always, perhaps the impression will change as the bottle drains.

Had Four Roses Limited Edition Small Batch 2015 the other night at a cocktail bar. It was mindblowing fantastic. If anyone has an inkling where I might get a bottle for the original retail price (~$110), please hook a brother up.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 07, 2015, 04:06:23 PM
Had Four Roses Limited Edition Small Batch 2015 the other night at a cocktail bar. It was mindblowing fantastic.

Mmmm, I'm jealous. 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on December 07, 2015, 06:59:05 PM
Had Four Roses Limited Edition Small Batch 2015 the other night at a cocktail bar. It was mindblowing fantastic.

Mmmm, I'm jealous.

Yeah, me too. I am also very jealous of the Fitzgerald that was consumed.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 08, 2015, 12:20:59 AM
Anybody ever warm their whiskey or scotch? Bring it into the 80's and then sip away- opens up the aroma. I float my brandy snifter in the hot tub for a minute- winter warmer.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 08, 2015, 01:16:40 AM
I typically try mine room temp and then with a very large ice cube. Room temp this time of year is 68. In the summer more like 74. I generally find I like most of them with the cube because the flavor changes as the cube melts.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 08, 2015, 03:01:10 AM
Depends what I'm drinking and mood I'm in....I chill but rarely dilute. I use the stainless cubes.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on December 08, 2015, 03:41:05 AM
I have found I like mine at room temp. Right now it is 60f, and I like my whiskey a touch warmer than that, but I have never done anything to correct that. I suppose I should get a hot tub.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 08, 2015, 04:58:49 PM
Huntsville has finally gotten a dedicated Whiskey bar (inside one of our premier craft beer bars) and last night I was invited to its soft opening. They have a pretty good selection of rare and high end whiskey's. Last night I tried Angel's Envy Mountain Wood 10 year old, Black Maple Hill small batch bourbon and Jefferson's 10 Year 100% rye. Didn't take tasting notes this time but thoroughly enjoyed them all.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: pete b on December 08, 2015, 05:03:13 PM
I typically try mine room temp and then with a very large ice cube. Room temp this time of year is 68. In the summer more like 74. I generally find I like most of them with the cube because the flavor changes as the cube melts.
Same here, I try it first and generally prefer one cube.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on December 09, 2015, 01:34:25 AM
I typically try mine room temp and then with a very large ice cube. Room temp this time of year is 68. In the summer more like 74. I generally find I like most of them with the cube because the flavor changes as the cube melts.
Same here, I try it first and generally prefer one cube.
For a slow sipper, I'm the same way. But for a serious "getting to know you" tasting, I will drop about half a straw's worth of RO/filtered water just to open it up a bit and take it from there.

If it's a social night and I'm just having whiskey for drinks, more rocks is just fine too. But in those cases I'm typically sticking with something familiar like Knob Creek (or Johnny Black if it's a scotch night).
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: mchrispen on December 09, 2015, 02:21:29 AM
Rocks here... Bigger cubes or spheres the better. Drinking a Dickel Select Barrel right now. Everything good about George Dickel turned to 11. Better love corn though... a nice rustic dram for sure.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 09, 2015, 02:34:33 AM
Perhaps it's just me then. I really like it undiluted - especially the complex, aged stuff.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 09, 2015, 03:11:38 AM
Perhaps it's just me then. I really like it undiluted - especially the complex, aged stuff.


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Depends what you are drinking and where. If I am going to truly sample a bourbon it must be neat - maybe with just a slight splash of water when it needs opened up. When I am backpacking I like a splash of spring or branch water. If it is a Saturday night and I want to really relax and watch a movie and not fuss over sipping it's on the rocks with a three finger pour.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: pete b on December 09, 2015, 12:34:35 PM
Perhaps it's just me then. I really like it undiluted - especially the complex, aged stuff.


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I have noticed that more often than not I taste flavors with a few drops of water or a cube that I miss neat. Its counter intuitive for sure.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 09, 2015, 12:43:30 PM
As mentioned, I usually sample neat and then use a small cube or a very small amount of water if it needs opened up a bit.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 09, 2015, 01:42:37 PM
Perhaps it's just me then. I really like it undiluted - especially the complex, aged stuff.


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I have noticed that more often than not I taste flavors with a few drops of water or a cube that I miss neat. Its counter intuitive for sure.

Whiskey bar I mentioned the other they were eye droppering water into neat drinks. I tried my buddy's before and after and while I am still skeptical it could have made a real difference I did at least perceive the whiskey opened up afterwards.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 09, 2015, 01:44:04 PM

Perhaps it's just me then. I really like it undiluted - especially the complex, aged stuff.


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I have noticed that more often than not I taste flavors with a few drops of water or a cube that I miss neat. Its counter intuitive for sure.

Whiskey bar I mentioned the other they were eye droppering water into neat drinks. I tried my buddy's before and after and while I am still skeptical it could have made a real difference I did at least perceive the whiskey opened up afterwards.
Never done this. How many drops we taking about?


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Phil_M on December 09, 2015, 01:54:46 PM
When I've added water to Scotch, it's always been a drop or two at a time. Once you get the right amount of water the aroma opens up noticeably, I've always stopped then.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 09, 2015, 02:35:50 PM
I've been to Scotch tastings, once with some dude in a kilt from Johnny Walker (I think he was one of the distillers), and they have always insisted you need some water to open the flavors.

If I don't add cubes (I prefer the biggest cubes possible), I'll add a splash of water.  100 proof should get a splash, IMO.  For some of the harsher whiskeys (Very Old Barton, for example) some water (or melted cubes) has a dramatic impact.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 09, 2015, 03:42:16 PM
interesting- i will have to start experimenting with this theory and see what I perceive. 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 09, 2015, 04:00:57 PM
Do it slowly, I was recently at a distillery where they mentioned if you cut the alcohol too fast you can cause the profile to be less than stellar. So they cut and wait, cut and wait, cut and wait...they indicated when they did it all at once it just didn't come out as well. Not sure of the science behind it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: pete b on December 09, 2015, 04:27:48 PM
Do it slowly, I was recently at a distillery where they mentioned if you cut the alcohol too fast you can cause the profile to be less than stellar. So they cut and wait, cut and wait, cut and wait...they indicated when they did it all at once it just didn't come out as well. Not sure of the science behind it.
I don't know the science either, but my perception of it is that the alcohol hotness kind of gets out of the way so other things are noticed. I don't get it because simple dilution of the alcohol doesn't make much sense because the amount of water is so little.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 09, 2015, 05:30:12 PM

Do it slowly, I was recently at a distillery where they mentioned if you cut the alcohol too fast you can cause the profile to be less than stellar. So they cut and wait, cut and wait, cut and wait...they indicated when they did it all at once it just didn't come out as well. Not sure of the science behind it.
I don't know the science either, but my perception of it is that the alcohol hotness kind of gets out of the way so other things are noticed. I don't get it because simple dilution of the alcohol doesn't make much sense because the amount of water is so little.

Yeah you would think a few drops wouldn't do much- compared to splash of water or whole cube volume. 

Going to pour some different ones tonight or this week and try drops of water to the point I perceive something different.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 09, 2015, 06:30:29 PM
I didn't count the drops. Bar tender gave my friend a small vial filled with water and he dropped several drops in. It did seem to make a difference.

I disagree that all whiskey needs water, but some definitely benefits from a splash or two. One thing you will find when you add ice is you will drink the whiskey much faster. If you drink neat or with a splash you will drink slower.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 09, 2015, 06:38:36 PM
One thing you will find when you add ice is you will drink the whiskey much faster. If you drink neat or with a splash you will drink slower.

now this ^^^^^ I understand and agree with  ;D
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 09, 2015, 07:48:45 PM
I disagree that all whiskey needs water, but some definitely benefits from a splash or two. One thing you will find when you add ice is you will drink the whiskey much faster. If you drink neat or with a splash you will drink slower.

Apparently I was unaware there were acceptable speeds for consumption. ;)

I find the more I spent on the hooch the slower I ingest it...YMMV
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 09, 2015, 07:53:45 PM
I find the more I spent on the hooch the slower I ingest it...YMMV


I find the same. The pricey stuff definitely sticks around longer.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 09, 2015, 07:58:05 PM
I've found that the bigger the glass, the more you can pour into it and thus the longer it lasts.  Ice or no ice.

In my house, the cheap stuff tends to last and last.  The rare or hard to get stuff gets rationed.  When I'm pouring, I tend to go for the better stuff.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on December 09, 2015, 08:03:25 PM
I find the more I spent on the hooch the slower I ingest it...YMMV


I find the same. The pricey stuff definitely sticks around longer.

Wish I could say the same. Once I open a bottle of whiskey it becomes extremely important for me to consume the contents within 2 or 3 weeks. 'Cause, you know, you want it to stay fresh. Right? ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 09, 2015, 08:54:06 PM
Since it was brought up I use primarily is a 13 ounce glass I got as a set from Target:
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http://www.target.com/p/threshold-short-glass-tumbler-set-of-4-13-oz/-/A-14604067

I make 6 cubes at a time in these:
http://www.amazon.com/Tovolo-King-Cube-Ice-Tray/dp/B00395FHRO

This is how it typically looks in my glass:
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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 09, 2015, 08:59:20 PM
I use similar cubes, but perhaps a smaller glass.  Or maybe a bigger pour.  I pour to the height of the cube.

Those cubes will last for two pours, in my experience.  It's a much smaller cube for the 2nd pour.  2nd pour goes to the height of the smaller cube.

I also got the round ice-cube molds.  I like those, too, but it's harder to judge a pour.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 09, 2015, 09:37:33 PM
I go 3/4 of the way up the cube and it lasts for two pours. Anything higher and I seem to go to sleep earlier than planned. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 09, 2015, 09:40:15 PM
I go 3/4 of the way up the cube and it lasts for two pours. Anything higher and I seem to go to sleep earlier than planned. ;)

I will admit to an early bed time on occasion.  Such as last night.  I blame it on the kids, though.  Putting young ones to bed is tiring work.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jeffy on December 09, 2015, 10:28:57 PM
I prefer to put the whiskey into the glass first, then add an ice cube.  It is easier to measure the volume since I don't have uniform cubes or use the same glass.  I usually drink single malts neat or with a small shard of ice, but have my bourbon on the rocks.
Title: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 09, 2015, 11:32:19 PM
Sipping some Balvenie double wood 17. Drops of water IMO isn't making it better.


Edit: perhaps it's my upbringing. My papa drank it neat, my dad also, and perhaps I'm just biased because that's how I enjoy it.

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 09, 2015, 11:47:36 PM
Sipping some Balvenie double wood 17. Drops of water IMO isn't making it better.


I agree in that case - Double Wood is my favorite non peaty Scotch. Love that stuff !


EDIT - And I like it neat, too.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 09, 2015, 11:49:42 PM

Sipping some Balvenie double wood 17. Drops of water IMO isn't making it better.


I agree in that case - Double Wood is my favorite non peaty Scotch. Love that stuff !

Perhaps that's my problem. I'm not at all educated enough to know what you should or want to dilute and not. I'm just accustomed to neat all around.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 09, 2015, 11:53:03 PM
I usually try it neat first, then add a small amount of water (maybe 1/4 oz ish) and try again. If it improves I decide it needed it. Some like Double Wood are great neat as is.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 09, 2015, 11:56:27 PM

I usually try it neat first, then add a small amount of water (maybe 1/4 oz ish) and try again. If it improves I decide it needed it. Some like Double Wood are great neat as is.

Ok so give me a few examples of " improved by water".


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 10, 2015, 12:04:36 AM

I usually try it neat first, then add a small amount of water (maybe 1/4 oz ish) and try again. If it improves I decide it needed it. Some like Double Wood are great neat as is.




Ok so give me a few examples of " improved by water".


I think cask strength (strong) Scotch, smokey/peaty Scotches like Lagavulin, Glenmorangie, Talisker, etc., and most good bourbons open up a little with a small splash of water. High proof bourbons definitely benefit, too. Though I do like Knob Creek neat.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 10, 2015, 12:11:01 AM
Man, at the end of the day, drink it the way it tastes best. It's what I do.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 10, 2015, 12:12:32 AM

Man, at the end of the day, drink it the way it tastes best. It's what I do.

Agreed. I'm not opposed to new tricks to enjoy it even more!


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 10, 2015, 02:56:11 AM
I typically find most Single Batch Bourbons are great neat, but I also try them with a cube to see what I prefer. Often when the proof goes 100 or higher they need a chill pill. Some exceptions are George T Stagg and Stagg Jr. Despite high alcohol levels they drink mighty fine neat. Occasionally I find one I don't like neat and which does not seem to improve with the cube. The Old Forester 1897 is 100 proof and I don't particularly like it neat, nor with a cube. Still seems hot even with the ice melt. I'll give it a few more tries, but it may become a Bourbon I use for mixed drinks.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 10, 2015, 03:53:36 PM
I usually try it neat first, then add a small amount of water (maybe 1/4 oz ish) and try again. If it improves I decide it needed it. Some like Double Wood are great neat as is.

I enjoy the Double Wood neat, but where it really shines is in a Hot Scotchy!

I would say the barrel strengths "tend" to benefit from light had doses of water. Booker's is a good example.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 10, 2015, 03:59:37 PM
I usually try it neat first, then add a small amount of water (maybe 1/4 oz ish) and try again. If it improves I decide it needed it. Some like Double Wood are great neat as is.

I enjoy the Double Wood neat, but where it really shines is in a Hot Scotchy!

I would say the barrel strengths "tend" to benefit from light had doses of water. Booker's is a good example.


I'm with you, Steve. I put some Balvenie in the first runnings of my last Quad.  Crazy good !
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 11, 2015, 02:17:06 AM
Picked up a couple of new bottles this week, they will go into the queue.

The first was a Bourbon, Medley's Private Stock 10 Year. Thus far I have really enjoyed the Medley Bros, Old Medley 12 year, and Wathens Bourbon so I am looking forward to this one when it comes around.

Also picked up Nikka Coffey Grain Whiskey from Japan. I tried it at a bar recently and it was nicely fruity. Coffey is the type of still, not coffee which is a mistake even the liquor store was making with the description.

Heard an ABC store had Colonel EH Taylor Small Batch which is only about $40, and they brought me a bottle from the back. Was at another in SC and asking about various things and they also had one under the counter so I snagged it as well. Nothing like having three bottles of your favorite!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on December 12, 2015, 02:50:43 AM
One can never have enough of that Colonel EH Taylor Small Batch. I drank a lot of that when I was in NC last year. I am glad to hear the positive review of Nikka Coffey. That will be high on my list to try. I am looking forward to the Old Medley review. A good friend loves Wathens, so that would be a good Xmas gift.

I tell you, I just got home from having surgery, and I am dying for a glass of bourbon. I also can't wait to brew again. Haven't done that in a good six months, which was six months removed from the batch before that.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on December 12, 2015, 04:49:54 AM
Yall are having an effect on my purchasing choices. 2 will be suppers and one is going to a hockey game in a plastic flask tomorrow. Any guesses as to which will be in the flask?
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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on December 12, 2015, 04:59:48 AM
Jon and Pinski, great suggestion on the double wood. So smooth, might become my new favorite sipper over Macallan 12
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 12, 2015, 01:55:47 PM
Jon and Pinski, great suggestion on the double wood. So smooth, might become my new favorite sipper over Macallan 12


Nice. I think it's head and shoulders over Macallan in terms of flavor and complexity.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on December 12, 2015, 08:49:16 PM
I agree Jon after just one short tasting. Won't regularly be stocked at home, but when I am on the mood. The sales guy tried to push the Balvenie Double wood 17 year when I go to the counter. Steep jump from $63-$149! Maybe next time around but not likely
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 12, 2015, 09:46:04 PM
I agree Jon after just one short tasting. Won't regularly be stocked at home, but when I am on the mood. The sales guy tried to push the Balvenie Double wood 17 year when I go to the counter. Steep jump from $63-$149! Maybe next time around but not likely


Yeah, big jump.  Ouch.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 12, 2015, 10:40:59 PM
I agree Jon after just one short tasting. Won't regularly be stocked at home, but when I am on the mood. The sales guy tried to push the Balvenie Double wood 17 year when I go to the counter. Steep jump from $63-$149! Maybe next time around but not likely

Wow, yeah that is steep. While navigating the duty free maze at Heathrow I stumbled across the 17 year and they also had Triple Wood that looked interesting but about the same price point.  The financial committee wasnt' having it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 12, 2015, 11:04:31 PM
The financial committee wasnt' having it.

That's funny, my financial committee would very likely concur.   ;D
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 14, 2015, 02:29:04 AM

I agree Jon after just one short tasting. Won't regularly be stocked at home, but when I am on the mood. The sales guy tried to push the Balvenie Double wood 17 year when I go to the counter. Steep jump from $63-$149! Maybe next time around but not likely

Double wood 17 is a juice worth the squeeze frank....great stuff.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on December 15, 2015, 01:13:55 AM
I agree Jon after just one short tasting. Won't regularly be stocked at home, but when I am on the mood. The sales guy tried to push the Balvenie Double wood 17 year when I go to the counter. Steep jump from $63-$149! Maybe next time around but not likely
Yeah, big jump.  Ouch.
When I acquired my bottle of Portwood 21-year it only cost $39. It is by far my favorite non-Islay single malt, but I've been reluctant to finish that last pour because I don't know if I could justify the replacement cost nowadays.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 15, 2015, 01:20:51 AM
I agree Jon after just one short tasting. Won't regularly be stocked at home, but when I am on the mood. The sales guy tried to push the Balvenie Double wood 17 year when I go to the counter. Steep jump from $63-$149! Maybe next time around but not likely
Yeah, big jump.  Ouch.
When I acquired my bottle of Portwood 21-year it only cost $39. It is by far my favorite non-Islay single malt, but I've been reluctant to finish that last pour because I don't know if I could justify the replacement cost nowadays.

Wow, that's an absolute steal for 21 year even years ago. I'm sure the cost today is steep.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 15, 2015, 01:34:44 AM
I bought a Pierre Ferrand 25 year cognac for my father in law in his waning years.  As much as I know I indulged him at the time, the price of  replacement bottle, to be kept in memoriam, was $80+.  There's no way I dropped that much 5 or so years ago.  No way.  I can't believe how some of the prices have jumped.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on December 15, 2015, 05:54:59 AM
I bought a Pierre Ferrand 25 year cognac for my father in law in his waning years.  As much as I know I indulged him at the time, the price of  replacement bottle, to be kept in memoriam, was $80+.  There's no way I dropped that much 5 or so years ago.  No way.  I can't believe how some of the prices have jumped.
Makes me wish that my dad was into something other than wine. I bought him a bottle of Opus One for his 60th a few months ago. That one hit the wallet pretty good.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 15, 2015, 01:12:12 PM

I bought a Pierre Ferrand 25 year cognac for my father in law in his waning years.  As much as I know I indulged him at the time, the price of  replacement bottle, to be kept in memoriam, was $80+.  There's no way I dropped that much 5 or so years ago.  No way.  I can't believe how some of the prices have jumped.
Makes me wish that my dad was into something other than wine. I bought him a bottle of Opus One for his 60th a few months ago. That one hit the wallet pretty good.

Yep as far as wine goes- great choice. Uber pricey for sure.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: heavydeadlifts on December 15, 2015, 08:39:03 PM
Thanks to this thread I just bought 2 bottles of Balvenie 17 yr doublewood to savor over the holidays
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on December 15, 2015, 09:09:00 PM
Thanks to this thread I just bought 2 bottles of Balvenie 17 yr doublewood to savor over the holidays

Ho ho ho!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 16, 2015, 12:30:08 AM

Thanks to this thread I just bought 2 bottles of Balvenie 17 yr doublewood to savor over the holidays

Getting near end of mine.....already dropped hint to wifey for my stocking stuffer


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: heavydeadlifts on December 16, 2015, 01:42:35 AM

Thanks to this thread I just bought 2 bottles of Balvenie 17 yr doublewood to savor over the holidays

Ho ho ho!

Ho Ho Ho and a bottle of scotch


Thanks to this thread I just bought 2 bottles of Balvenie 17 yr doublewood to savor over the holidays

Getting near end of mine.....already dropped hint to wifey for my stocking stuffer


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How does this compare to the standard doublewood version?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 16, 2015, 02:54:10 AM


Thanks to this thread I just bought 2 bottles of Balvenie 17 yr doublewood to savor over the holidays

Ho ho ho!

Ho Ho Ho and a bottle of scotch


Thanks to this thread I just bought 2 bottles of Balvenie 17 yr doublewood to savor over the holidays

Getting near end of mine.....already dropped hint to wifey for my stocking stuffer


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How does this compare to the standard doublewood version?

More oak, and the additional cinnamon, vanilla, and spice really shine. 12 yr is really good stuff, but you'll notice the difference. The second conditioning in sherry wood makes both of these very nice.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 16, 2015, 12:50:50 PM
I got a bottle of 12 year DoubleWood as a gift for a friend, but our NC prices are kinda steep. I'll drift across the line into SC and see if I can get it for $10-20 less. Out the door in NC was 70 beans.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on December 16, 2015, 04:02:44 PM
Yea Mike,  mine was a little over $68 out the door. Very steep for me, but it will be a savored sipper
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: heavydeadlifts on December 16, 2015, 04:28:36 PM
$149.99 per bottle for the 17 yr Doublewood ..... My wife almost killed me


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 16, 2015, 06:11:14 PM
$149.99 per bottle for the 17 yr Doublewood ..... My wife almost killed me


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That's when I ever so gently remind wifey of last time she bought these:
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/e08e1306a42aea2fcda9624a92c41712.jpg)

Or these.....
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/2aa0c870bdb979f29d7163f9ae5e2b8a.jpg)

Or had this done....
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/d094553150ababe152617674ffa567a6.jpg)

That usually ends that  discussion

everyone deserves a vice!


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: tommymorris on December 16, 2015, 08:58:21 PM

$149.99 per bottle for the 17 yr Doublewood ..... My wife almost killed me


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That's when I ever so gently remind wifey of last time she bought these:
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/e08e1306a42aea2fcda9624a92c41712.jpg)

Or these.....
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/2aa0c870bdb979f29d7163f9ae5e2b8a.jpg)

Or had this done....
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/d094553150ababe152617674ffa567a6.jpg)

That usually ends that  discussion

everyone deserves a vice!


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She's trying to look good for you. You're adding a beer belly. I think my wife would cut right through that argument and leave me laying on the ground in pieces.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 16, 2015, 09:06:24 PM
naaa...its all good. she drinks my beer and even some whiskey now and then. on the other hand, yes I get the enjoy her dolled up....so now complaints!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 17, 2015, 02:48:39 PM
I tried searching and didn't come up that I had posted about Old Grandad 114. I think I paid $20 for the fifth and it is almost gone, might finish up tonight. Most of the time I find anything over 90 proof to be a little hot and need a cube. Old Grandad 114 was in that category and just not mindblowing enough to drink by itself so I made it a mixer and it is fantastic with ginger. I quit using ginger ale and use Old Balycaster Ginger from Powell & Mahoney instead.
https://powellandmahoney.com/product/ginger

I mentioned Old Ezra 101 back in July and it is the same story except more boring in the glass by itself than Old Grandad 114. In any mixed Bourbon drink it is devine. I think I shelled out 20 beans for Old Ezra and after I drained that bottle I immediately grabbed another to put in the queue.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: heavydeadlifts on December 17, 2015, 04:20:06 PM

$149.99 per bottle for the 17 yr Doublewood ..... My wife almost killed me


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That's when I ever so gently remind wifey of last time she bought these:
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/e08e1306a42aea2fcda9624a92c41712.jpg)

Or these.....
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/2aa0c870bdb979f29d7163f9ae5e2b8a.jpg)

Or had this done....
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/12/16/d094553150ababe152617674ffa567a6.jpg)

That usually ends that  discussion

everyone deserves a vice!


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lol yeah that is typically my rebuttal, but to totally avoid the discussion at all I will typically buy things without her there, we learned a long time ago that we both have expensive taste and the only answer was to set up seperate spending accounts with money for each of us to have fun with on items that are non necessities....as in a 150$ bottle of scotch haha



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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on December 17, 2015, 11:15:41 PM
I tried searching and didn't come up that I had posted about Old Grandad 114. I think I paid $20 for the fifth and it is almost gone, might finish up tonight. Most of the time I find anything over 90 proof to be a little hot and need a cube. Old Grandad 114 was in that category and just not mindblowing enough to drink by itself so I made it a mixer and it is fantastic with ginger. I quit using ginger ale and use Old Balycaster Ginger from Powell & Mahoney instead.
https://powellandmahoney.com/product/ginger

I mentioned Old Ezra 101 back in July and it is the same story except more boring in the glass by itself than Old Grandad 114. In any mixed Bourbon drink it is devine. I think I shelled out 20 beans for Old Ezra and after I drained that bottle I immediately grabbed another to put in the queue.

That ginger concoction from Powell and Mahoney looks good. Have you tried any of their other products?
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Post by: jeffy on December 17, 2015, 11:26:56 PM
I tried searching and didn't come up that I had posted about Old Grandad 114. I think I paid $20 for the fifth and it is almost gone, might finish up tonight. Most of the time I find anything over 90 proof to be a little hot and need a cube. Old Grandad 114 was in that category and just not mindblowing enough to drink by itself so I made it a mixer and it is fantastic with ginger. I quit using ginger ale and use Old Balycaster Ginger from Powell & Mahoney instead.
https://powellandmahoney.com/product/ginger

I mentioned Old Ezra 101 back in July and it is the same story except more boring in the glass by itself than Old Grandad 114. In any mixed Bourbon drink it is devine. I think I shelled out 20 beans for Old Ezra and after I drained that bottle I immediately grabbed another to put in the queue.

That ginger concoction from Powell and Mahoney looks good. Have you tried any of their other products?
I just ordered a bottle as a Christmas present for my wife.  Couldn't find it locally, so the shipping is as much as the product, but tis the season.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 17, 2015, 11:56:07 PM

That ginger concoction from Powell and Mahoney looks good. Have you tried any of their other products?

Their Bloody Mary sucks...I mean really, really, really sucks. I paid for the bottle and shipping so I will jazz it up and use it up, but if I had paid $5 or less I would pour it out. I also purchased their Margarita, but haven't used any of it yet. It better be good!

It only takes a splash of the ginger in a drink. It is spicy and nice.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jeffy on December 18, 2015, 12:13:24 AM

That ginger concoction from Powell and Mahoney looks good. Have you tried any of their other products?

Their Bloody Mary sucks...I mean really, really, really sucks. I paid for the bottle and shipping so I will jazz it up and use it up, but if I had paid $5 or less I would pour it out. I also purchased their Margarita, but haven't used any of it yet. It better be good!

It only takes a splash of the ginger in a drink. It is spicy and nice.
I am looking forward to it.  We have been using Q Ginger Beer in mixed drinks lately.  It makes a spicy hot cocktail.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on December 18, 2015, 12:33:31 AM

That ginger concoction from Powell and Mahoney looks good. Have you tried any of their other products?

Their Bloody Mary sucks...I mean really, really, really sucks. I paid for the bottle and shipping so I will jazz it up and use it up, but if I had paid $5 or less I would pour it out. I also purchased their Margarita, but haven't used any of it yet. It better be good!

It only takes a splash of the ginger in a drink. It is spicy and nice.

I am glad I asked, as that is what I was thinking of adding.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on December 18, 2015, 01:16:24 AM
Don't know if you ever heard of this, but I had it in Milwaukee bar, and loved all of them.very unique and enjoyed them.
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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 19, 2015, 02:53:06 AM
Town Branch is solid Bourbon. The bottle weighs a metric crapload. Took me awhile to pick up a bottle and get to it in the queue, but it is pretty tasty. I think it was about $35 and change.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jeffy on December 20, 2015, 12:04:45 AM
I am enjoying a cocktail now that is made up of Corner Creek Reserve Bourbon, Bitter Truth Own Decanter Bitters, Q Ginger Beer and a slice of lime.  I may have to make another.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 20, 2015, 01:38:40 AM
Jealous.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on December 21, 2015, 03:30:57 AM
Ok, so without going back through this whole thread, I know I saw a suggestion for Templeton Rye. Thank you for that suggestion, the wife and I are loving it. Found a bottle down here on Marco Island, FL. Just what we needed for a nightcap. A great little sipper. In keeping with recent posts, for me, it was a little harsh neat, but opened up and was a pleasure to sip on a couple large rocks.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 21, 2015, 02:27:04 PM
Another MGP Rye made in Indiana...they make good rye.
http://recenteats.blogspot.com/p/the-complete-list-of-american-whiskey.html
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: euge on December 22, 2015, 08:49:18 PM
I am enjoying a cocktail now that is made up of Corner Creek Reserve Bourbon, Bitter Truth Own Decanter Bitters, Q Ginger Beer and a slice of lime.  I may have to make another.

I like a good bourbon and ginger- and a sazerac too. Will try some peychauds in my next B&G! And I mean, like- right now.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 06, 2016, 01:37:03 AM
So today I picked up a Balvenie Double Wood in SC for $55 and a Four Roses Single Barrel Barrel Strength for $65. Looking forward to both!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 06, 2016, 01:42:37 AM
I'll be curious to see what you think of the Balvenie. It actually spends part of its aging in bourbon barrels. It's tasty.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 06, 2016, 01:18:40 PM
At $70 (NC prices) it was a ?, at $55 (SC prices) it is a no brainer. ;)

It'll be in the queue for awhile before it comes up to bat.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on January 06, 2016, 06:17:47 PM
So today I picked up a Balvenie Double Wood in SC for $55 and a Four Roses Single Barrel Barrel Strength for $65. Looking forward to both!

Two favorites! Enjoy!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 08, 2016, 12:00:52 AM

Ok, so without going back through this whole thread, I know I saw a suggestion for Templeton Rye. Thank you for that suggestion, the wife and I are loving it. Found a bottle down here on Marco Island, FL. Just what we needed for a nightcap. A great little sipper. In keeping with recent posts, for me, it was a little harsh neat, but opened up and was a pleasure to sip on a couple large rocks.

Too funny Frank. Got a bottle as gift over holidays...cracking it open tonight.
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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jeffy on January 08, 2016, 12:31:51 AM

Ok, so without going back through this whole thread, I know I saw a suggestion for Templeton Rye. Thank you for that suggestion, the wife and I are loving it. Found a bottle down here on Marco Island, FL. Just what we needed for a nightcap. A great little sipper. In keeping with recent posts, for me, it was a little harsh neat, but opened up and was a pleasure to sip on a couple large rocks.

Too funny Frank. Got a bottle as gift over holidays...cracking it open tonight.
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I happen to be drinking that right now and it is very nice.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on January 08, 2016, 12:59:15 AM
Enjoying some Bulleit tonight.  It's good, but doesn't have the depth or complexity of Knob Creek (which I've been enjoying the hell out of lately) IMO. Thinner, less oak maybe.  But it's tasty and does the trick.

Went to wedding right after NYD.  Top shelf bar, all the vodkas you might want.  A couple Scotches.  Bombay Sapphire gin.  Jack and Jim were the only bourbons.  Very, very disappointing.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 08, 2016, 01:05:32 AM
Up next....
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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 08, 2016, 01:07:06 AM
That's a nice Irish. Had it many times.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 08, 2016, 01:12:16 AM
Yeah tullamore is one I enjoy couple drops of water and some stainless cubes.


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Post by: Joe Sr. on January 08, 2016, 01:22:23 AM
Not my favorite.  And Irish Joe lives in Tullamore.  Get their reserve, and I'll join you.

Red Breast.  Green Spot.  Jameson Reserve.  Any of those and I'll join you, too.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on January 08, 2016, 01:28:58 AM

Not my favorite.  And Irish Joe lives in Tullamore.  Get their reserve, and I'll join you.

Red Breast.  Green Spot.  Jameson Reserve.  Any of those and I'll join you, too.

Well agreed, reserve is fantastic...tullamore, Jameson. Everyday Jameson  and tullamore- I'll take it over many others.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on January 08, 2016, 01:30:10 AM
Just don't bring me Bushmill's.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 08, 2016, 01:33:26 AM
Yeah, I see Tullamore along the lines of regular Jameson - an everyday whiskey I like. But the reserve is a cut or two above.

Edit - Agreed on Bushmill's.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on January 08, 2016, 02:52:23 AM
Just don't bring me Bushmill's.

Ha! I say that all the time. I have never tried Bushmill's, and I never will.

I am drinking Green Spot at the moment, as well as some Michter's small batch. Love the Green Spot. I had Tulleymore Dew the other day in a whiskey sour. It was pretty dang good.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 08, 2016, 11:06:52 PM
Here's an opportunity to try and win Hakushu 18yr. I really like the 12yr, hope I win the 18yr and you don't. ;)
http://contest.distillerslist.com/?ref=4cf9e1bdd6
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 08, 2016, 11:13:48 PM
Here's an opportunity to try and win Hakushu 18yr. I really like the 12yr, hope I win the 18yr and you don't. ;)
http://contest.distillerslist.com/?ref=4cf9e1bdd6


You had me at 18yr single malt. Signed up !
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 10, 2016, 05:19:12 PM
Nikka Coffey Grain Whiskey is wonderful. Neat the flavor is divine.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on January 12, 2016, 07:49:47 PM
I received my bottles of Powell and Mahoney. I bought 2 of the ginger, 1 of the blood orange, and 1 pomegranate. I finished off the FEW bourbon with the ginger, as that whiskey just tasted worse and worse to me on its own. Made a couple of cocktails last night. 1 pt Aquavit, 1 pt ginger, 1 pt club soda, couple dashes of bitters -- very very tasty. Substituted the ginger with the blood orange, and upped the amount of club soda and added a twist of lemon, which was also very tasty. I had forgotten about the bottle of Aquavit I had bought from North Shore distillery. I aged a pint on the side with some American oak, and love that on its own. Otherwise, I have no Aquavit to compare it to. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 15, 2016, 02:02:34 PM
Ran into Hakushu 18 the other night, it was great, but at $200 a bottle it had better be awesome. Reminded me of Macallan 18 which is about the same price.

Also had the Balvenie DoubleWood 17 and it was great. My coworker said he was going to run out and buy a bottle immediately even after I told him it's a buck forty a bottle.

The interesting find of the night was Connemara Peated Whiskey which is a new fave. To me it is somewhere in the middle ground between Bourbon and Scotch with an Irish Whiskey base and peat added. The whiskey is 12 year and I really enjoyed the aroma and flavor. If you've been to Ireland all you smell is peat fires in most pubs and having it loud and proud in the whiskey conjured images of that trip.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 18, 2016, 11:42:47 PM
Probably more Powell & Mahoney Ginger than anyone other than me wants, but WalMart has it for $41 a case (6) and nine bucks more gets you free shipping. Mine are already on the way. ;)
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Powell-Mahoney-Limited-Old-Ballycastle-Ginger-Cocktail-Mixer-25.36-fl-oz-Pack-of-6/31221970
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 21, 2016, 12:24:06 AM
I'm enjoying the Four Roses Single Barrel Barrel Strength (OESK) and while it is very good, it isn't that much better than standard Single Barrel for me to chase down more of it. I realize it is Single Barrel and will vary, but $38 vs $70 is kinda stiff when $38 is stellar!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: yso191 on January 21, 2016, 02:42:49 PM
I don't know how available it is outside of the Pacific Northwest, but hands down my favorite whiskey is Pendleton's 1910.  Very smooth, very flavorful, and around $40.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 21, 2016, 10:13:20 PM
I wonder where they get the barrels of rye from in Canada. It's on the NC special items list so it is available.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Pinski on January 21, 2016, 10:34:43 PM
I don't know how available it is outside of the Pacific Northwest, but hands down my favorite whiskey is Pendleton's 1910.  Very smooth, very flavorful, and around $40.
Veeery Caramely too. Dangerous stuff if you like Canadians. I like Canadians.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: narvin on January 22, 2016, 02:35:52 AM
It's Scotch weather.  Hoping to walk over to my favorite Scotch bar during the big storm this weekend.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 23, 2016, 10:04:16 PM
Don't think we've seen this in the topic before. I'm going to use it as a shopping list!
http://vinepair.com/buy-this-booze/best-single-malt-scotches-under-50/
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on January 23, 2016, 11:32:09 PM
Nice find Mike
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: narvin on January 23, 2016, 11:35:04 PM
Picked up the Laphroaig 10 yr on Friday before the storm, actually.  Also like the Ardbeg.  Both very nice alternatives to a more expensive Lagavulin.  You have to like the peat, though.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on January 23, 2016, 11:40:00 PM
Some good ones on that list. I am a fan of the Highland Park, Ardbeg, and the Aberfeldy. I have heard good things about Bowmore, which will be a purchase of mine soon.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 23, 2016, 11:44:23 PM
I was gonna add the Laphroiag 10 and Ardbeg as well as the Aberlour 12 as the ones I enjoyed most. I love how a lot of the 10 year scotches might be a little less smooth but seem to be more flavorful. That Laphroiag 10 is just killer.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: pete b on January 24, 2016, 02:34:02 AM
I was gonna add the Laphroiag 10 and Ardbeg as well as the Aberlour 12 as the ones I enjoyed most. I love how a lot of the 10 year scotches might be a little less smooth but seem to be more flavorful. That Laphroiag 10 is just killer.
Always keep a laphroig 10 around. Its our house whiskey really. Make the occasional smoking gun with it but usually just for sipping.My son got us a bottle of laphroig 15 for Christmas. Very nice. I'm not drinking until next month so really shouldn't be thinking about this...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 24, 2016, 02:42:31 AM
I was gonna add the Laphroiag 10 and Ardbeg as well as the Aberlour 12 as the ones I enjoyed most. I love how a lot of the 10 year scotches might be a little less smooth but seem to be more flavorful. That Laphroiag 10 is just killer.
Always keep a laphroig 10 around. Its our house whiskey really. Make the occasional smoking gun with it but usually just for sipping.My son got us a bottle of laphroig 15 for Christmas. Very nice. I'm not drinking until next month so really shouldn't be thinking about this...


Yeah, tasty stuff. The 15 is sublime but obviously pricey. I can buy the 10 more often.  ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on January 24, 2016, 04:20:20 AM
Laphroaig 10 is my go-to as well. Caol Ila is another great one if you're into peat.

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Post by: pete b on January 24, 2016, 01:00:50 PM
Laphroaig 10 is my go-to as well. Caol Ila is another great one if you're into peat.

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Caol Ila? I never heard of it or have seen it as far as I know. Is it an Islay?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on January 24, 2016, 06:33:27 PM
Laphroaig 10 is my go-to as well. Caol Ila is another great one if you're into peat.

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Caol Ila? I never heard of it or have seen it as far as I know. Is it an Islay?

It is indeed an Islay. I've had them a couple of times. One was very good, the other was not. I forget what they were, other than they were aged in wine barrels.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on January 27, 2016, 05:27:15 AM
Laphroaig 10 is my go-to as well. Caol Ila is another great one if you're into peat.

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Caol Ila? I never heard of it or have seen it as far as I know. Is it an Islay?
Yep. After the three distilleries on the southern coast of Islay (Laphroaig, Lagavulin and Ardbeg), it's probably the next peatiest. The other Islay distilleries (Bowmore, Bunnahabhain and Bruichladdich) tend to be lower on peat, although still a fair amount compared to Highland whiskies.

Scapa 16 year is another overlooked Scotch that is similar in style to the Islay distilleries.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: curtism1234 on January 27, 2016, 04:57:06 PM
Here's a question on Wild Turkey

I haven't had 101 in years and decided to pick up a bottle because it's brand is rebounding. This is a truly good bourbon.

However, it's not quite how I remembered it. It was much more mellow (a good thing).

Do you all know if they changed anything in the past 5 years or so or if it's just my taste buds changing? Yes, this was 101 and not the new 81.

Thanks
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 29, 2016, 08:03:40 PM
I gotta be honest, I purchase a handle of Wild Turkey 101 when I graduated with my MS in 1994 and it lingered in the bar until about 2012 when I finished it off and I haven't had any since that I can recall.

I also remember someone getting us some WT back in the early 80's and not getting the 101, it was 80 proof.

I'll have to try some more recent vintage 101. Had I been smart enough I could have compared the 1994 to what is available today.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: curtism1234 on January 29, 2016, 10:57:21 PM
I gotta be honest, I purchase a handle of Wild Turkey 101 when I graduated with my MS in 1994 and it lingered in the bar until about 2012 when I finished it off and I haven't had any since that I can recall.

I also remember someone getting us some WT back in the early 80's and not getting the 101, it was 80 proof.

I'll have to try some more recent vintage 101. Had I been smart enough I could have compared the 1994 to what is available today.

If I remember right, originally it was 80. Then they made the 101. A few years ago they brought back the 80 in addition to their 101
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 30, 2016, 03:24:23 AM
They had 101 in the 80's if not before. 81 came out in 2011 and I haven't given it a spin around the block yet. I need to purchase a 101 and an 81 and give them a whirl!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 30, 2016, 03:34:31 AM
Yep, I drank a decent amount of 101 in the 80s. Remember the hangovers pretty vividly.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 13, 2016, 12:40:23 AM
Glad I purchased these last week. 2" cube works great.
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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 13, 2016, 01:02:47 AM
Man, that stuff is tasty. Might have to open a taste of something.   ;)
Title: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 13, 2016, 01:04:31 AM
Yeah in whiskey mood tonight
Probably because it's freezing here!

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 13, 2016, 01:23:25 AM
Got Four Roses Single Barrel, Knob Creek (my standby), 12 yr DoubleWood, and Glenmorangie 12 yr Sherry Wood on hand at moment. Not bad (or damn good). As my Grandpa used to say, "Cold enough to freeze a well digger's a$$".  ;D


Edit -  He was really smart.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 13, 2016, 01:31:43 AM

Got Four Roses Single Barrel, Knob Creek (my standby), 12 yr DoubleWood, and Glenmorangie 12 yr Sherry Wood on hand at moment. Not bad (or damn good). As my Grandpa used to say, "Cold enough to freeze a well digger's a$$".  ;D


Edit -  He was really smart.

Nice! Yeah I love the things my pops used to say....old timers had some great sayings.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on February 13, 2016, 01:33:30 AM
Got Four Roses Single Barrel, Knob Creek (my standby), 12 yr DoubleWood, and Glenmorangie 12 yr Sherry Wood on hand at moment. Not bad (or damn good). As my Grandpa used to say, "Cold enough to freeze a well digger's a$$".  ;D


Edit -  He was really smart.
Your grandpa was definitely on to something :) It's colder than a witch's t!t up my way, and I'm fighting a head cold. Might need to hit grampa's ol' cough medicine tonight, myself. I want scotch, but I'm afraid I'll wake up with peaty cotton mouth. Might be a Johnny Gold kinda night...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on February 14, 2016, 12:17:39 AM
Just bought a bottle of Bowmore 12. Very tasty, and the price was right. Highly recommended.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 14, 2016, 01:24:53 PM
I had a Bowmore 15 The Darkest the other night and it was very nice.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on February 14, 2016, 04:03:39 PM
I had a Bowmore 15 The Darkest the other night and it was very nice.
I've never had a bad whisky from Bowmore, but the Darkest might be my favorite of theirs. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 19, 2016, 12:08:07 AM
Traveling left to right tonight
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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on February 19, 2016, 02:22:01 AM
Nice Ken,  loved the Balvenie, fan of Bulleit, never had the Dew, and Jameson not bad in a pinch
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 19, 2016, 02:34:29 AM

Nice Ken,  loved the Balvenie, fan of Bulleit, never had the Dew, and Jameson not bad in a pinch

Jameson is my everyday pour...smooth and nice...Dew a step up IMO. Just started trying different rye's...nice change of pace. Balvenie is one of my favorites- many to enjoy.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on February 19, 2016, 02:54:04 AM
Very nice, Ken. Tullamore  Dew makes a killer whiskey sour.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 19, 2016, 03:03:46 AM
Nice order of whiskeys. Tasty!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 19, 2016, 03:43:47 PM
I'm not a huge fan of the regular Tullamore, but their reserve is outstanding.

The Jameson 12 year is outstanding as well.

I've moved away from the non-reserves, unless its Red Breast or Green Spot.  But those are pricey bottles at their entry level.

EDIT:  Not to crap all over your selections.  I would certainly join you for a flight.  As long as I could have two ryes and skip the Scotch.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: mpietropaoli on February 19, 2016, 03:47:21 PM
Traveling left to right tonight
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Hmm, I think I would have tasted in the exact opposite direction!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 22, 2016, 01:35:50 AM
I'd go left to right for sure.

Decided tonight that Rowan's Creek isn't as slouchy as I first thought, pretty good stuff. Might open some Scotch soon...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 22, 2016, 01:55:39 AM
Gonna have to try Aberlour 12 with a clean palate. Fruity aroma with a tequila aspect and a light flavor with a lingering hint of espresso. With a splash the flavor opens up a little. More experimenting to be done with this one methinks!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: mpietropaoli on February 22, 2016, 09:16:30 PM
Wait, am I missing something?  Or do you guys also drink the Yellow Tail before the Caymus?

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 22, 2016, 11:07:45 PM
I go lightest flavor to strongest. Of course I would never buy Yellow Tail Cab anyway. ;)
Title: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 23, 2016, 12:15:03 AM
I go lightest flavor to strongest. Of course I would never buy Yellow Tail Cab anyway. ;)

Same here. Not that I generally drink that many different whiskey and quality levels in one sitting...although it has happened in a few tastings before.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 25, 2016, 01:24:07 PM
Tried the Balvenie Caribbean Cask last night and it just didn't thrill me. At the bar they gave you little snacks and one was a small lemon cupcake and paired with that it was pretty darn stellar.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 25, 2016, 01:39:15 PM
Tried the Balvenie Caribbean Cask last night and it just didn't thrill me. At the bar they gave you little snacks and one was a small lemon cupcake and paired with that it was pretty darn stellar.

always interesting what seems to pair well with a whiskey. I love a chunk of 86% dark chocolate to nibble on as I sip.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: davidw on February 25, 2016, 08:33:15 PM
If I don't get some whiskey soon I'm gonna DIIIIEEEE!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoZ9pvkceYU

Great movie, sorry for the tangent, please return to your regularly scheduled programming . . .
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 26, 2016, 12:37:54 AM
It's a roses kind of night.
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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 26, 2016, 12:40:20 AM
Man I love that stuff. Really nice.
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Post by: mchrispen on February 26, 2016, 12:46:43 AM
If you ever get to visit, they poured us some barrel strength (straight from a barrel in the tasting room) that was off the chain good. Have to be careful - it will take your breath away. Really, really good strong, dark and velvety. They just cannot bottle that stuff and send it out - shame.
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Post by: HoosierBrew on February 26, 2016, 12:48:28 AM
If you ever get to visit, they poured us some barrel strength (straight from a barrel in the tasting room) that was off the chain good. Have to be careful - it will take your breath away. Really, really good strong, dark and velvety. They just cannot bottle that stuff and send it out - shame.


Sounds awesome, Matt. I need to visit there sometime.
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Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 26, 2016, 12:50:21 AM

If you ever get to visit, they poured us some barrel strength (straight from a barrel in the tasting room) that was off the chain good. Have to be careful - it will take your breath away. Really, really good strong, dark and velvety. They just cannot bottle that stuff and send it out - shame.

Sounds great. I had similar experience at Jameson in Ireland. I had some of the best reserve and undistributed whiskey I've ever tasted. I was smashed at 10am in the morning!


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Post by: Joe Sr. on February 26, 2016, 04:28:24 AM
If you ever get to visit, they poured us some barrel strength (straight from a barrel in the tasting room) that was off the chain good. Have to be careful - it will take your breath away. Really, really good strong, dark and velvety. They just cannot bottle that stuff and send it out - shame.

Four Roses sells a whole series of barrel strength single barrel whiskeys.  They ones I've had are tasty, but expensive.  65% ABV or so, too.

I've never had the small batch.  Picked up a single barrel today as well as an Old Forester 1870.  I wasn't really feeling it and the selection at Binny's didn't excite me.

I'll crack the Old Forester tomorrow.  It better be significantly better than the Signature.  That stuff was nasty.
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Post by: toby on February 26, 2016, 06:07:29 AM
If you ever get to visit, they poured us some barrel strength (straight from a barrel in the tasting room) that was off the chain good. Have to be careful - it will take your breath away. Really, really good strong, dark and velvety. They just cannot bottle that stuff and send it out - shame.

That's not entirely accurate.  They will sell barrels to certain places and basically bottle the whole barrel and then send the barrel along with it.  The Avenue Pub has done this with a variety of distilleries.  I still have a bottle of NOLA Irish Channel Stout aged on a fresh Four Roses barrel in the garage fridge.  They only bottled an extremely limited number (as in for internal use only).  I shared a bottle of my BA Scotch Ale with the brewers and they gave me the last bottle out of the cooler.  I'll have to ask Sheila if she'll let me bring it to NHC First Round.
Title: Whiskey
Post by: mchrispen on February 26, 2016, 12:22:09 PM
Hmmm. I thought that all Kentucky bourbon whiskey had to diluted to a minimum strength legally before bottling and distribution. We looked at a barrel buy at Woodford R. They indicated that was the case... But maybe it's just a distillery policy?

I know the barrels concentrate the proof. If I recall, 4 Roses goes into the barrel at 120 proof, out as high as 140-150.
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Post by: Joe Sr. on February 26, 2016, 12:34:45 PM
I haven't seen the barrel strength as high as 170 but I bought one previously at close to 140 proof.

Binny's will get them in and have four or more different strengths/barrels on the shelf. All have different proofs and tasting notes. I probably would have bought one yesterday but they were not available.

I think the dilution to 90 or 100 proof is for blending and consistency for the most part.


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Post by: Joe Sr. on February 27, 2016, 12:27:33 AM
Sipping a glass of old forester 1870 after a loooong day.

Tasty. Infinitely  better than the signature.

I'll need to have a second glass to be sure. Could just be the day making it taste so good.


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Post by: MDixon on February 27, 2016, 02:15:48 AM
It's good stuff. Skip the 1897.
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Post by: euge on February 27, 2016, 02:28:01 PM
How are you guys drinking your Bourbon these days?

I like 3oz with three clear cubes of ice. That's it.

Was thinking the more complex examples should be enjoyed with a splash of "branch-water" instead of ice...
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Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 27, 2016, 03:29:55 PM
see in my pic i use 2" square cube. doesn't melt as fast as smaller cubes and at the end i still have about 1" square.

I also drink some neat or with sprinkle of water...just depends.
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Post by: Joe Sr. on February 27, 2016, 04:41:39 PM
I've got the same cubes as Ken.  I can get two pours with one cube, but sometimes I'll drop an couple regular cubes in for the second pour.
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Post by: euge on February 27, 2016, 05:24:19 PM
I have the 2 3/4" spheres of ice moulds. Pretty cool but even with ro water about 7ppm they'll have a giant hemispherical inclusion that sometimes splits the ice neatly in half after a couple drinks.

This is promising: http://www.amazon.com/Neat-Ice-Kit-Double-Mold/dp/B00O2CO93G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1456593530&sr=8-2&keywords=clear+ice+cube+maker (http://www.amazon.com/Neat-Ice-Kit-Double-Mold/dp/B00O2CO93G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1456593530&sr=8-2&keywords=clear+ice+cube+maker)

Anyone tried boiling the water first before making cubes? Evidently dissolved gasses interfere with the clarity of the ice as it freezes.
Title: Whiskey
Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on February 27, 2016, 05:34:53 PM
I use RO water also...definitely not clear but they don't split. Might have to try boiling the RO and see if it works on clarity.


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Post by: euge on February 27, 2016, 06:33:26 PM
Boiled (nuked) 3 ppm RO water, let it cool down now have and two spheres in the freezer. Will try a test-run this evening.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: toby on February 28, 2016, 12:39:14 AM
How are you guys drinking your Bourbon these days?

I drink all my Bourbon and Scotch with a few drops of the purest water I have on hand.  I will also 'sacrifice' and use a spherical whisky stone.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 28, 2016, 04:02:27 PM
I taste them all neat and with a cube, but find a large cube is perfect and I too can get two pours out of it. I like the way the flavor changes as the cube melts.
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Post by: euge on February 28, 2016, 04:25:36 PM
Well the "boiled water" and clear ice was mostly a fail.

1. The ice was a bit clearer but the inclusion was as bad or worse even. The sphere split in half immediately- before it'd even tasted whiskey!

2. The ice tasted unpleasantly weird.  :o

3. It also melted faster (seemingly) as it was gone by the time I finished 3oz in normal fashion.

My ice is already pretty darn good. Ultra clear ice seems more like "flair" than actually improving the experience.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 29, 2016, 12:21:32 AM
I have a whole house filter and then pull the water from the fridge which has another filter. That is where we get the water we drink and it is good.

If you want to get crystal clear ice you have to insulate as it freezes as I understand it. That allows the air to come out during the slow freezing process. I see some notes on the web about insulating with salt water on the outside of the ice cube tray.
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Post by: mchrispen on February 29, 2016, 12:37:57 AM
Yeah. Hard boil on the water, DI if you have it. No gasses to escape and slow the freezing as much as possible. I use a small cooler in the deep freeze. Does pretty well - just a few bubbles but fairly clear. Seems to melt much slower.


Love the large cubes, but the wife bought me little deathstar spheres :)
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Post by: euge on February 29, 2016, 12:42:57 AM
Obsessive compulsive me I'm trying another batch with an insulated freeze-down approach. Looks promising.

Still I think it's all about looks. :D
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Post by: Joe Sr. on February 29, 2016, 12:45:00 AM
I have the spheres, too.  But it's a PITA getting the ice out of them.  I have to run warm water on them to get them out.

Any tricks you want to share?

As far as clear ice, I've never worried too much.  I use warm water when I think of it, but I prefer to use filtered water.
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Post by: euge on February 29, 2016, 01:20:04 AM
Got the blue ones off Amazon. Cheap.

At first the sphere molds were fairly rigid but loosened up a little; plus, not overfilling and allowing for some expansion seems to make them easier to detach.

Filled them full for the experiment.
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Post by: euge on February 29, 2016, 04:04:39 AM
Allrighty then.

There has been significant success.

1. The flaw has been eliminated.

2. Clear ice with bubbles. No giant white flaw. Ice spheres look like the glass ornament on your grandma's fancy table. ;)

Not perfect but I think I'm really close.

16oz double walled plastic glass
1/2 cup plastic container (ziplock or rubbermaid)
the ice mould
RO water.

Fill both mould and 1/2 cup container to brim with water. I used RO. Upend mould into full container leaving it at a slight angle. You don't want the hole in the mould facing directly down but offset a little.

This cup holding the mould is placed into the opening of the double-walled cup. Place this into the freezer.

Ideally all the water in the mould will freeze and push the gasses and impurities away into the unfrozen water in the 1/2 cup container which will also slightly freeze.

I got real close without having to use the suspended and partially submerged perforated icetray in a cooler in the freezer method.

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 02, 2016, 06:29:32 PM
Opened up the Stagg Jr. last night. I have had it before, but I don't recall it being so over the top hot. Had to allow the ice cube to melt substantially before it suited my palate.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on March 02, 2016, 07:21:05 PM
How are you guys drinking your Bourbon these days?

I like 3oz with three clear cubes of ice. That's it.

Was thinking the more complex examples should be enjoyed with a splash of "branch-water" instead of ice...

I've gotten to the point now where I drink pretty much everything neat.  Sometimes if I'm at a bar and I have an ice water as well I'll toss in a drop or two.  I try not to order anything I wouldn't drink neat.

We have quite a few good choices here in Oregon.  Hogshead Whiskey by McMenamins is one of my favorites, but it's spendy.  Their Billy Whiskey is also good and a little cheaper.  Woodford Reserve is my go-to Kentucky.  Burnside Bourbon by Eastside Distilling here in Portland is good but can be hit or miss.  First time I tried it I loved it, the next time not so much.

Picked up a bottle of Rebel Yell the other day, and I'm sure it's probably full of adjuncts to be at the price point it's at (18$ per 750ml) but it's not bad on it's own.  It's light colored but very smooth.  I got it mostly for making hot toddy's for my sick wife so wasn't gonna break the bank on it, but it turned out decent.  Made a good Old Fashioned as well.
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Post by: jeffy on March 02, 2016, 10:54:08 PM
How are you guys drinking your Bourbon these days?

I like 3oz with three clear cubes of ice. That's it.

Was thinking the more complex examples should be enjoyed with a splash of "branch-water" instead of ice...

I've gotten to the point now where I drink pretty much everything neat.  Sometimes if I'm at a bar and I have an ice water as well I'll toss in a drop or two.  I try not to order anything I wouldn't drink neat.

We have quite a few good choices here in Oregon.  Hogshead Whiskey by McMenamins is one of my favorites, but it's spendy.  Their Billy Whiskey is also good and a little cheaper.  Woodford Reserve is my go-to Kentucky.  Burnside Bourbon by Eastside Distilling here in Portland is good but can be hit or miss.  First time I tried it I loved it, the next time not so much.

Picked up a bottle of Rebel Yell the other day, and I'm sure it's probably full of adjuncts to be at the price point it's at (18$ per 750ml) but it's not bad on it's own.  It's light colored but very smooth.  I got it mostly for making hot toddy's for my sick wife so wasn't gonna break the bank on it, but it turned out decent.  Made a good Old Fashioned as well.
I liked the Hogshead when I had it a while back.  McMenamins makes a pretty good gin, too.  Of course this review is biased because whenever I have had it I was on vacation.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 03, 2016, 02:16:55 PM
Opened up the Balvenie Doublewood 12 yr last night. It was mighty tasty, especially at a $55 price. Perfect neat!
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Post by: HoosierBrew on March 03, 2016, 02:21:45 PM
Opened up the Balvenie Doublewood 12 yr last night. It was mighty tasty, especially at a $55 price. Perfect neat!


Yep, love it neat!
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Post by: Wort-H.O.G. on March 03, 2016, 03:17:36 PM
Opened up the Balvenie Doublewood 12 yr last night. It was mighty tasty, especially at a $55 price. Perfect neat!


Yep, love it neat!

same here.good stuff.
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Post by: Pinski on March 03, 2016, 03:35:55 PM
Opened up the Balvenie Doublewood 12 yr last night. It was mighty tasty, especially at a $55 price. Perfect neat!


Yep, love it neat!

same here.good stuff.

Indeed, good price too!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 05, 2016, 07:54:57 PM
I am jones'in for a bottle of Colonel E.H. Taylor Seasoned Wood. Cured Oak was made of unobtainium although I did get a glass at a brewpub in Wilmington, NC. I'm not traveling hardly at all anytime soon so I doubt I will run across it only hanging out in NC. I read online that Virginia got 150 bottles in total and they had over 1,000 people ask about Seasoned Wood.
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Post by: kmccaf on April 10, 2016, 02:12:10 AM
I wish I could get a sample of that Seasoned Wood Col. Taylor. Must be amazing stuff.

Decided to try something new today: Roughstock Montana Bourbon barrel strength. Coming in at 118 proof, it needed a splash of water. Very good though, albeit a bit pricey. Full mouthfeel, spicy with a little sweetness.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 10, 2016, 02:39:56 PM
The reviews I have seen are mixed for Seasoned Wood, still doesn't stop me from wanting a bottle. ;)
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Post by: tumarkin on April 12, 2016, 01:48:24 PM
A new lowland single malt in the offing......
http://whiskyadvocate.com/2016/03/29/burnbrae-distillery-plans-for-the-rolls-royce-of-single-malts/

some interesting info about the new Burnbrae single malt and how it will be made.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 13, 2016, 07:55:05 PM
Had a bartender give me a sip of a Boulevardier last night. Equal parts Bourbon, Campari, and Sweet Vermouth over ice. I found another recipe calling for 1.5/1/1. I tried 1/1/1 and 1/0.5/1 last night and liked both. I may try the heavy hand Bourbon one tonight. The bartender suggested Rye as the whiskey so that might be good as well. I was using Very Old Barton since I had a handle of it...handy. ;)
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Post by: Joe Sr. on April 13, 2016, 10:16:30 PM
Had a bartender give me a sip of a Boulevardier last night. Equal parts Bourbon, Campari, and Sweet Vermouth over ice. I found another recipe calling for 1.5/1/1. I tried 1/1/1 and 1/0.5/1 last night and liked both. I may try the heavy hand Bourbon one tonight. The bartender suggested Rye as the whiskey so that might be good as well. I was using Very Old Barton since I had a handle of it...handy. ;)

I've been sipping some VOB lately.  I thought they made a 100 proof, but I may be confusing that with Weller Antique.  I'm enjoying the VOB at 90 proof and also at 84 proof (I think that's the bottling).

I also bought a handle of Ancient Age.  It doesn't seem to hold up to my memory as well as I had hoped.  It may get mixed with ginger ale on hot days.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: pete b on April 14, 2016, 01:41:43 AM
Had a bartender give me a sip of a Boulevardier last night. Equal parts Bourbon, Campari, and Sweet Vermouth over ice. I found another recipe calling for 1.5/1/1. I tried 1/1/1 and 1/0.5/1 last night and liked both. I may try the heavy hand Bourbon one tonight. The bartender suggested Rye as the whiskey so that might be good as well. I was using Very Old Barton since I had a handle of it...handy. ;)
I think you would much prefer a 1794: 2 parts rye, 1 part each campari and sweet vermouth. I don't think the equal parts thing works in a Boulevardier like it does in its cousin the Negroni. The gin stands with the campari better than whiskey can.
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Post by: pete b on April 16, 2016, 10:50:29 PM
Just had a 1794 as an apertif while starting dinner: good stuff and yes, campari is astringent which is actually nice in an apertif. My mouth is watering for shakshuka and fresh baked pita.
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Post by: euge on April 17, 2016, 08:35:17 PM
Aperol isn't as bitter as Campari.
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Post by: MDixon on April 29, 2016, 01:48:12 PM
I tried a Bourbon based 1794 last night and it hit the nail square on the head. 2 parts Bourbon, 1 Campari, 1 Sweet Vermouth. Not sure what it is since it used Bourbon instead of Rye, but it was delicious.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: morticaixavier on April 29, 2016, 02:09:35 PM
My wife has gone bananas for Manhattans lately. Been using Mad River Rye. it's a locally produced rye and pretty nice. at <$40 a fifth the prices is reasonable too.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 29, 2016, 02:14:12 PM
When you can find it, Sazerac Rye is fantastic and affordable. In NC it runs $30 which typically means you can find it for less everywhere else.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: reverseapachemaster on April 29, 2016, 02:48:42 PM
Came across the Corsair Ryemageddon on sale at a good price last weekend and gave it a whirl. A really interesting rye whiskey. It's whiskey distilled from rye and chocolate rye and aged for six years (it's the aged version of their normal rye). Nice depth of earthy flavor. Probably the second most earthy rye I've had behind High West Rendezvous Rye.

FYI - Corsair sells 10 and 15 gallon barrels on their website at extremely reasonable prices if one is looking for a larger barrel.

A few weeks back I also picked up a bottle of Alberta Rye Whisky Dark Batch for a little under $30. It's 91% Canadian rye whisky, 8% rye-heavy bourbon and 1% sherry. It's smooth, spicy and fruity. Sweeter and heavier than the Corsair. It's not garbage Canadian rye that's often not rye at all. It's genuinely rye whisky. If the Corsair rye is a solid expression of the earth side of rye then this is a solid expression of the spicy and subtly fruity side of rye. Between the two it's an excellent range of rye whisky.
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Post by: pete b on April 29, 2016, 04:58:44 PM
I tried a Bourbon based 1794 last night and it hit the nail square on the head. 2 parts Bourbon, 1 Campari, 1 Sweet Vermouth. Not sure what it is since it used Bourbon instead of Rye, but it was delicious.
I would call it a boulevardier, just a better version than the equal parts formula IMO.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 29, 2016, 06:29:09 PM
When you can find it, Sazerac Rye is fantastic and affordable. In NC it runs $30 which typically means you can find it for less everywhere else.

Finding it is the hard part.  If you do find it, buy at least two bottles.

I had a Manhattan last night with Templeton rye.  Very tasty.  I was impressed.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jeffy on April 29, 2016, 11:12:11 PM
Came across the Corsair Ryemageddon on sale at a good price last weekend and gave it a whirl. A really interesting rye whiskey. It's whiskey distilled from rye and chocolate rye and aged for six years (it's the aged version of their normal rye). Nice depth of earthy flavor. Probably the second most earthy rye I've had behind High West Rendezvous Rye.

FYI - Corsair sells 10 and 15 gallon barrels on their website at extremely reasonable prices if one is looking for a larger barrel.

A few weeks back I also picked up a bottle of Alberta Rye Whisky Dark Batch for a little under $30. It's 91% Canadian rye whisky, 8% rye-heavy bourbon and 1% sherry. It's smooth, spicy and fruity. Sweeter and heavier than the Corsair. It's not garbage Canadian rye that's often not rye at all. It's genuinely rye whisky. If the Corsair rye is a solid expression of the earth side of rye then this is a solid expression of the spicy and subtly fruity side of rye. Between the two it's an excellent range of rye whisky.
I wasn't too fond of  Ryemageddon myself, but I have used three of their barrels for various club project beers.  The barley wine from the Triple Smoke barrel was awesome.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on May 09, 2016, 01:07:53 PM
I had opened my bottle of Stagg Jr. some time back and found it to be a bit too alcoholic for my tastes neat. My bottle is 132.1 proof. I had hit it over ice a few times and still found it hot. Last night I started with a more subdued Bourbon and then poured Stagg Jr. on the remaining cube, probably a half cube. It was divine. I suspect the initial drink had affected my palate and nasal passages enough to deaden the alcohol and allow the flavors and aromas to shine. When I had drank Stagg Jr. out and about it almost always was later in the evening so after a drink or two. That might explain why I found my bottle overly alcoholic and those in various restaurants no so strong. Anyway, I think from now on I will make it a headliner as opposed to the opening act.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on May 27, 2016, 05:07:19 PM
Went into Binny's today.  They want $42.99 for Wathen's.  What's happening to the world?  They were wiped out of pretty much everything else.  No 4 Roses Single Barrel.  No Elmer (haven't seen it in awhile).  No Eagle Rare.  I ended up getting some Knob Creek for the weekend as I'm out of good bourbon.

Was also out last week and saw the bar had a bottle of Weller 12 on the shelf.  I was going to get some, but they wanted $50 for a two-ounce pour.  WTF?  It's good, but it ain't Pappy and I've had Pappy for less than $50 a pour.  The world is getting ridiculous.  I might have to go back to gin.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 27, 2016, 05:38:44 PM
Maybe next year the new "in" spirit will be orange vodka (or something else crappy), with high end bottles of it selling for $100, and the cost of good bourbon will come back down. Or not.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on May 27, 2016, 05:41:19 PM
Maybe next year the new "in" spirit will be orange vodka (or something else crappy), with high end bottles of it selling for $100, and the cost of good bourbon will come back down. Or not.

Here's to hoping.  But I think we're in for the long haul on good bourbon becoming more scarce and more expensive.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on May 27, 2016, 05:42:02 PM
Maybe next year the new "in" spirit will be orange vodka (or something else crappy), with high end bottles of it selling for $100, and the cost of good bourbon will come back down. Or not.

Here's to hoping.  But I think we're in for the long haul on good bourbon becoming more scarce and more expensive.

Agreed. No relief on Scotch either.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on May 27, 2016, 10:22:52 PM
Weller 12 (not the Antique Series), was like $30 the last time I snagged a bottle. We are nasty in NC with Eagle Rare and Four Roses Single Barrel.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on May 28, 2016, 12:02:40 AM
Found Four Roses Single Barrel, barrel strength. Man that packs a punch at 55.8%. Quite nice over some ice, still very hot though.  Not putting multiples of these down in an evening, but a great sipper me thinks
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jeffy on July 02, 2016, 09:43:25 PM
My wife and I have been enjoying our drinks over "really big" ice cubes, not sure what else to call them.  We got a mold that makes three big spheres a little larger than golf balls and another mold that makes six cubes almost 2 inches wide.  It makes it more fun to have a dram and lasts pretty much through the whole glass.
We still have trouble getting them perfectly clear even using distilled water.  Any hints?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on July 03, 2016, 12:41:12 PM
My understanding is for perfectly clear ice it must freeze slow enough to allow the air to escape. Try insulating the mold in a freezer to allow for a slower freeze.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on July 03, 2016, 02:14:43 PM
My wife and I have been enjoying our drinks over "really big" ice cubes, not sure what else to call them.  We got a mold that makes three big spheres a little larger than golf balls and another mold that makes six cubes almost 2 inches wide.  It makes it more fun to have a dram and lasts pretty much through the whole glass.
We still have trouble getting them perfectly clear even using distilled water.  Any hints?
My son got a whole bunch of silicone Star Wars-themed ice trays for his birthday, including a round mold that makes a racquetball-sized Death Star. Guess who's going to be drinking a whole lot of spirits served over That's-no-moon  ;D

As far as getting clear ice goes, here are a few suggestions:

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Clear-Ice

I haven't given any of these a try yet, but I might give the cooler method a shot. Or maybe I'll try the warm freeze next time I'm lagering a beer at 30F.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on August 08, 2016, 12:35:31 PM
Kentucky Vintage has been growing on me as of late. I think it was around $35 and it plays well with a cube. The first time I had it after opening the bottle it didn't trip the trigger, but the last few times it has been quite good. I can probably find better at that price point, but it is a nice change of pace.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: yso191 on August 08, 2016, 02:49:22 PM
I've added one to my favorites list: Aberlour Scotch.  I picked it up at Costco for ~$40.  Very nice!  For me just the right level of peatiness - which is to say not much.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on August 08, 2016, 02:56:13 PM
I've added one to my favorites list: Aberlour Scotch.  I picked it up at Costco for ~$40.  Very nice!  For me just the right level of peatiness - which is to say not much.

Love it, and the price.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on September 27, 2016, 11:18:55 AM
Buffalo Trace is releasing their O.F.C. Bourbons by donating a bottle to charitable organizations to use for fundraising. 200 bottles are in the first release.

https://mashbang.wordpress.com/2016/09/27/bourbon-you-wont-find-and-could-not-afford-if-you-did-find/
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: reverseapachemaster on September 27, 2016, 04:28:11 PM
I've added one to my favorites list: Aberlour Scotch.  I picked it up at Costco for ~$40.  Very nice!  For me just the right level of peatiness - which is to say not much.

That is right up my alley on peatiness. I really enjoy it in low levels but it easily turns from delicious to a salty iodine bath in low levels.

I hate that the local Costcos don't sell liquor. I went to one in Missouri over the summer that did and was just blown away by the quality of some of the offerings and the cheapness of some of the private label stuff which isn't that bad.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on September 27, 2016, 07:07:11 PM
I've been wallowing in Bulliet and Maker's lately, as Target always has them on sale.  The last bottle of Maker's just does not taste good.

So I picked up Knob Creek and splurged on a bottle of Noah's Mill.  The Knob Creek is solid as usual.  Looking forward to the Noah's, but I'm not feeling a $50 bottle as an everyday drink right now.
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Post by: yso191 on September 27, 2016, 07:14:01 PM
Last weekend while in Spokane, I tried McCallan 12.  Seriously good.  Will get a bottle ~$50 after payday.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on September 27, 2016, 11:44:00 PM
Last weekend while in Spokane, I tried McCallan 12.  Seriously good.  Will get a bottle ~$50 after payday.
Love that stuff. Bought some around the holidays last year and the gift box came with a smallish sample (1.25 Oz maybe) of their 18. Unbelievable, but not getting a bottle of that anytime soon at the prices it goes for
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on September 28, 2016, 12:15:13 PM
18 is divine, but Hakushu 12 is a better bargain. Maybe I should say was a better bargain. Just went online and it appears what was once an $80 price tag is now nearly a Benny.

Another one you'd like is Nikka Coffey Grain and it falls in at about $65. (Coffey is a still, so don't confuse it with Coffee.)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on September 28, 2016, 11:24:47 PM
Thanx MDixon,  will have to look around for it when I'm at The Part Source again,  was just there shortly after you posted this but had not seen the post. Next time
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on October 29, 2016, 01:37:51 PM
Picked up a bottle of Suntory Toki this week, it was at the NC ABC store for $30. Poured very light and my wife commented on how light it was since I rarely drink spirits neat which are light in color. Reminded me of a lighter Macallan 12 and the price was nice. Let me know if you try it, I'd like your thoughts. Personally I enjoyed it quite a bit.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on October 30, 2016, 07:06:25 AM
Still kicking myself for passing on the "xxxxx" coffee (some Japanese distillery) that I found in CO after your suggestion, but I had already spent way too much on local beer to drop another $60 on a whiskey we would not have had time to finish/enjoy in our last 3 nights there. Will look for this one locally. Thanks for another suggestion

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on October 30, 2016, 12:29:14 PM
Nikka Coffey Grain
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on October 30, 2016, 03:15:57 PM
That was it, have not seen it around home but had it in my hands in CO and put it down

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on November 08, 2016, 11:45:08 PM
http://thewhiskeywash.com/bourbon/coffey-stills-dont-make-americanos/
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on November 12, 2016, 12:57:30 AM
Old Grandad Bonded is 100 proof and about $20 and I'm finding it quite enjoyable neat. Not too hot, some spicy notes coupled with brown sugar and leather, and very easy to drink.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on November 12, 2016, 01:33:55 AM
Get. Out.  Old Grandad? 

I must confess that I have Old Overholt in the cabinet.

Is Old Crow next?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: mabrungard on November 12, 2016, 02:49:12 AM
I've had the Old Grand Dad Bonded and I concur that its not bad for a cheap bottle.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on November 12, 2016, 02:01:45 PM
Yep, Old Granddad Bonded. I bought it to try and with the ultimate plan being to mix it with ginger. I'll be drinking it neat instead.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on November 15, 2016, 02:58:44 PM
Balvenie Double Wood was $47 in CA, in NC it is $63. In contrast Suntory Toki is $30 in NC and it was $50 in CA. Needless to say a bottle of Double Wood will be making the trek back to NC with me since I am checking luggage. That also will allow me to drain my opened bottle at the house since I now have a replacement! ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 15, 2016, 03:08:34 PM
Balvenie Double Wood was $47 in CA, in NC it is $63. In contrast Suntory Toki is $30 in NC and it was $50 in CA. Needless to say a bottle of Double Wood will be making the trek back to NC with me since I am checking luggage. That also will allow me to drain my opened bottle at the house since I now have a replacement! ;)


Love the Balvenie. Never lasts long.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Phil_M on November 16, 2016, 11:15:52 PM
I almost bought a bottle of the Balcenie Double Wood today...glad I didn't after seeing what everyone else is paying for it.

I did buy a bottle of Laphroaig 10 Cask Strength. I've still yet to try any Scotch that tops this one, but keep in mind I love peat. I've got several bottles of Islay Malt, the regular Laphroaig 10 and the cask strength version are still my favorites, especially considering the price.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 16, 2016, 11:20:01 PM
I almost bought a bottle of the Balcenie Double Wood today...glad I didn't after seeing what everyone else is paying for it.

I did buy a bottle of Laphroaig 10 Cask Strength. I've still yet to try any Scotch that tops this one, but keep in mind I love peat. I've got several bottles of Islay Malt, the regular Laphroaig 10 and the cask strength version are still my favorites, especially considering the price.


I think you and I are in the minority here - I love the smoky, peaty ones too, aside from the cleaner ones like Balvenie. If I had to pick one Scotch only, it'd probably be a Lagavulin but it's kind of like trying to pick your favorite kid.  :)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Phil_M on November 16, 2016, 11:25:29 PM
I've been watching for Lagavulin. Sadly, I've yet to see it for sale locally. I was into Scotch before Nick Offerman and the whole Ron Swanson bit became a thing, but I'd be lying if his fireplace video didn't make me want to try Lagavulin more...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on November 16, 2016, 11:32:44 PM
I've been watching for Lagavulin. Sadly, I've yet to see it for sale locally. I was into Scotch before Nick Offerman and the whole Ron Swanson bit became a thing, but I'd be lying if his fireplace video didn't make me want to try Lagavulin more...


Yeah, classic - he took a field trip to the distillery in one episode. He rocks.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: yso191 on November 18, 2016, 07:20:57 AM
I just opened my second 1.75 l bottle of Kirkland (Costco) Blended Scotch Whiskey.  The first one was very pleasant, but simple.  Easy to drink, but without distinction.

This second one is IMO a bit phenolic.  It is not unpleasant, but right on the border.  It tastes of band-aids, smoke, sea-water, cinnamon and (I'm reaching here) marshmallow.  As I taste a little more of it,  sea water or oyster shell is what comes to mind more than anything else.

Dang it!  I think my palate training is ruining my drinking.

I liked the first bottle better.  It was unremarkable but pleasant.  This one...right on the fence... but more to think about.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Phil_M on November 18, 2016, 12:05:59 PM
Aren't some Scotches supposed to be that way? Look at Laphroaig, smells like straight iodine. I've had some that are also downright salty.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: pete b on November 18, 2016, 12:13:24 PM
I almost bought a bottle of the Balcenie Double Wood today...glad I didn't after seeing what everyone else is paying for it.

I did buy a bottle of Laphroaig 10 Cask Strength. I've still yet to try any Scotch that tops this one, but keep in mind I love peat. I've got several bottles of Islay Malt, the regular Laphroaig 10 and the cask strength version are still my favorites, especially considering the price.


I think you and I are in the minority here - I love the smoky, peaty ones too, aside from the cleaner ones like Balvenie. If I had to pick one Scotch only, it'd probably be a Lagavulin but it's kind of like trying to pick your favorite kid.  :)
Same here. Laphroaig is our house scotch and both my girlfriend and I almost exclusively drink Islay scotch. And I love me a smoking gun!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 03, 2016, 12:41:26 PM
Picked up a bottle of Alexander Murray Bon Accord at a Costco in SC for $24.

I wasn't expecting much from a no age, no distillery information scotch which simply said Highland. It was alcoholic at first to the nose and kinda boring. I kept thinking it needed more character so I poured another glass just to be sure. Then last night it took two glasses to confirm it was not that complex. As I look at the half empty bottle I'm thinking it might take another bottles to truly decide how boring it is in reality. Would be great for a party where foods are served as it would not be overbearing on the palate or for someone who was trying to ease into scotch. At 24 bucks I may pick up another bottle or two just for having if I go to a party or don't want to wreck my palate. I mainly drank it last night because I knew the palate would be just fine this morning for proctoring a BJCP exam.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: reverseapachemaster on December 03, 2016, 05:43:37 PM
Picked up a bottle of Alexander Murray Bon Accord at a Costco in SC for $24.

I wasn't expecting much from a no age, no distillery information scotch which simply said Highland. It was alcoholic at first to the nose and kinda boring. I kept thinking it needed more character so I poured another glass just to be sure. Then last night it took two glasses to confirm it was not that complex. As I look at the half empty bottle I'm thinking it might take another bottles to truly decide how boring it is in reality. Would be great for a party where foods are served as it would not be overbearing on the palate or for someone who was trying to ease into scotch. At 24 bucks I may pick up another bottle or two just for having if I go to a party or don't want to wreck my palate. I mainly drank it last night because I knew the palate would be just fine this morning for proctoring a BJCP exam.

More or less my feeling on most blended scotch in the $15-30 range.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on December 03, 2016, 06:18:48 PM
I almost bought a bottle of the Balcenie Double Wood today...glad I didn't after seeing what everyone else is paying for it.

I did buy a bottle of Laphroaig 10 Cask Strength. I've still yet to try any Scotch that tops this one, but keep in mind I love peat. I've got several bottles of Islay Malt, the regular Laphroaig 10 and the cask strength version are still my favorites, especially considering the price.


I think you and I are in the minority here - I love the smoky, peaty ones too, aside from the cleaner ones like Balvenie. If I had to pick one Scotch only, it'd probably be a Lagavulin but it's kind of like trying to pick your favorite kid.  :)
Same here. Laphroaig is our house scotch and both my girlfriend and I almost exclusively drink Islay scotch. And I love me a smoking gun!
Big peat fan, myself. I have at least one bottle from every Islay distillery except for Port Ellen. The best scotch I've ever had was a 30-year old Ardbeg - plenty of peat left after all that time, but so smooth. And as far as peat goes, you can't beat Johnnie Black for a blended scotch (although Sheep Dip is pretty nice, too). I have the Double Black as well, but that is a bit heavier on the oak to the point where it overtakes the peat.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 04, 2016, 09:48:56 PM

More or less my feeling on most blended scotch in the $15-30 range.

Perhaps we should make a list of the inexpensive blends worth the time and price of admission. While I'm not blow away by the Bon Accord, I am heading back to buy more. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Phil_M on December 04, 2016, 10:06:43 PM
The issue I have with the more inexpensive Scotches is that for the money, I think a cheap bourbon is the better buy. A $25 is only so-so, but spend that on bourbon and you get a nice range of quality choices.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 04, 2016, 10:09:44 PM
The issue I have with the more inexpensive Scotches is that for the money, I think a cheap bourbon is the better buy. A $25 is only so-so, but spend that on bourbon and you get a nice range of quality choices.


I agree. It's why I'm not a fan of the vast majority of blended scotches - for the price range you can get a solid bourbon instead of a mediocre (at best) single malt wanna-be IMO.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Phil_M on December 05, 2016, 01:16:27 AM
I think the way I said that came out wrong though. It's not that cheap Scotches are bad, just that the same price point bourbons are better.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 05, 2016, 01:20:16 AM
I think the way I said that came out wrong though. It's not that cheap Scotches are bad, just that the same price point bourbons are better.


Yeah that's what I was trying to get across, too - getting the best product for the $. I just feel that Scotch's entry price for pretty good stuff is higher than that of bourbon.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: pete b on December 05, 2016, 03:27:43 AM
I tend to be willing to spend a bit more for scotch than bourbon. the reason is I usually drink scotch by itself, neat or with a cube, as a sipper. i sometimes drink a glass of bourbon but it mostly goes in cocktails. I find bourbon, very generally speaking, a bit sweet for my taste on one hand, and too poundable on the other, so. a drink with a bitter component is the way to go. When i drink scotch the intent is usually to do so slowly. I usually keep one bottle of blended scotch around, dewars or cutty sark, because every now and then a Rob Roy is just the thing. and of course now and then nothing will do but a Smoking Gun which I always make with Laphroig.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on December 05, 2016, 04:35:22 PM
I tend to be willing to spend a bit more for scotch than bourbon. the reason is I usually drink scotch by itself, neat or with a cube, as a sipper. i sometimes drink a glass of bourbon but it mostly goes in cocktails. I find bourbon, very generally speaking, a bit sweet for my taste on one hand, and too poundable on the other, so. a drink with a bitter component is the way to go. When i drink scotch the intent is usually to do so slowly. I usually keep one bottle of blended scotch around, dewars or cutty sark, because every now and then a Rob Roy is just the thing. and of course now and then nothing will do but a Smoking Gun which I always make with Laphroig.
For me, I tend to prefer scotch with food (dessert in particular), because for some reason the peated stuff is extra hard on my heartburn if I drink it solo. If I'm looking for a neat/rocks sipper then I lean towards bourbon or rum.

As far as blended scotch for mixing, Johnny Gold Label is my favorite choice. That probably gives you a good idea about how price affects my purchasing philosophy :) I agree that scotch is definitely pricier than other spirits at similar quality levels, but I don't drink enough of it for that to play a big factor in my choices. For me, my selection is diverse enough that when I add a bottle to my collection it will be many years before it is finished. I buy a couple of bottles a year of various spirits, and maybe have two or three glasses a month so it really is more like collecting for me.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 05, 2016, 05:42:31 PM
The issue I have with the more inexpensive Scotches is that for the money, I think a cheap bourbon is the better buy. A $25 is only so-so, but spend that on bourbon and you get a nice range of quality choices.

I'm not finding much in the $25 range these days.  Maker's and Bulliet when it's on sale.  Other than that you're into the Jim and Jack selection.  Or dropping down into the Very Old Barton budget shelf.

$32 seems to be the bottom end for anything decent.  Buffalo Trace, Elijah Craig, etc. is all at the range around here.  Move up to Wathen's (if you can find it) or Four Roses Single Barrel and your talking $40 or more.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Phil_M on December 05, 2016, 06:25:10 PM
I guess I'm lucky then, Bulliet is all of 50 cents more than Jack at my local store. ~$23 for a fifth.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 05, 2016, 07:21:19 PM
$26.99 when I can get it on sale.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 05, 2016, 09:10:06 PM
Elijah Craig is running $24 at Costco in SC or on sale in NC. Buffalo Trace is typically $22-25 IF you can find it, I typically pick up a handle of it for $42 when in SC.

I have to agree, most everything else seems to be going up in price or is made of unobtanium. I recently saw WL Weller Special Reserve in a store for $79.99. Can you say GOUGE! The last time I ran into it I paid like $27 for the fifth. Of course this store had several decent things in stock, but they were $5 to $20 more than everywhere else so I passed.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 05, 2016, 09:32:56 PM
I came across a bottle of Weller Antique and they wanted something north of $30.  The first Special Reserve I picked up had to be less than $20 and maybe six years ago.  I think the prices have gone up because of the link to Pappy, even though there is no longer a Weller distillery.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: JJeffers09 on December 06, 2016, 12:07:52 AM
It must be in my blood, but I am an Irish/Rye/Tennessee/Bourbon fan.  In that order.

Irish - Kilbeggan, Bushmills, Teeling
Rye - Whistlepig, Knob Creek, Russells, Slow & Low
Tennessee - Collier & Mckeel, Jack, Rollins
Bourbon - Kings County, Hillrock, Weller

I still need to get my hands on a pappy 23 but everyone has a dream right... lol.  My prized bottle right now is the 21 bush.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 06, 2016, 01:08:25 AM
Won't touch the Bushmills, but that starts treading into politics.  Albeit furrin politics.

As I've aged, I've found Irish whiskey to be too sweet.  Green Spot hits the spot.  Redbreast, too.  Jameson's is just too sweet for a regular drink.

I'll meet you at rye.  Whistle Pig is outstanding.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: JJeffers09 on December 06, 2016, 12:44:10 PM
I have always found it to be 'sweet oak' fresh wood flavors vs sugary sweet.  I am not sure I follow the politics but it will give me something to google... ;)

I will agree with you Redbreast is sweet, sugary sweet.  Not the neat kind of whiskey, its a car bomb whiskey.  Kilbeggan is high for most but the 21YO blend is pretty awesome.  The ex-Bourbon Barrel is the only negative I have picked up, but it is still an ever changing bottle.  Funny thing about the Kilbeggan single malt 8y that I found funny anyway, the main ingredient is corn.  Which to me isn't irish whiskey, but I am not against it I just don't call it "Irish Whiskey" its Irish Bourbon.  I will agree it is sweeter than a bourbon, but still good.

Whistle Pig is one of the only ryes (straight up rye) I will order neat.  Everything else is better in a cocktail for my tastes anyway.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 06, 2016, 01:52:14 PM
Whistlepig = MWGP as do most Rye's.

I was in a bar in Baltimore last night and they had a bottle of "local" Sagamore rye so I took a glass. Sure enough when I looked it up it was Midwest Grain Products. Tasty stuff, but not from Baltimore. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: JJeffers09 on December 06, 2016, 03:35:49 PM
Whistlepig = MWGP as do most Rye's.

I was in a bar in Baltimore last night and they had a bottle of "local" Sagamore rye so I took a glass. Sure enough when I looked it up it was Midwest Grain Products. Tasty stuff, but not from Baltimore. ;)

Whats that now? It is owned by Raj Peter Bhakta.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 06, 2016, 04:03:17 PM
He might own Sagamore, but most rye is distilled in Indiana.  Maybe aged near Baltimore.

Bushmills vs. Jameson is a loaded topic.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 07, 2016, 03:57:05 AM
He might own the company, but he doesn't make the rye, he buys it from Indiana.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 07, 2016, 03:27:21 PM
Just to be clear, that's not to say it's not good rye.  Just that the vast majority of rye is distilled in Indiana as well as a ton of the smaller label bourbons.

Whistle Pig is outstanding rye.  Noah's Mill is outstanding bourbon.  They're both distilled in Indiana.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: reverseapachemaster on December 07, 2016, 04:12:31 PM
Whistlepig = MWGP as do most Rye's.

I was in a bar in Baltimore last night and they had a bottle of "local" Sagamore rye so I took a glass. Sure enough when I looked it up it was Midwest Grain Products. Tasty stuff, but not from Baltimore. ;)

This is one area where I feel the TTB does its worst job regulating the industry. If you buy fermented product (whether it is wine or spirit) from another business you should not be able to even intimate it is a local product just because you repackage it locally. I don't mind that businesses buy industrial wine/spirit but be honest that you aren't the producer, just a packager or blender.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on December 07, 2016, 04:28:33 PM
Just seems like that would be common sense Mike. They regulate so much down the nitty gritty. To let this continue to occur just seems like they are missing a huge piece in this day and age of buying local

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: JJeffers09 on December 10, 2016, 01:28:46 PM
I agree with you.  Let me say I do think it is an amazing product, however, I can't say when I crack knob creek, whistlepig, bullet, dickel that they all taste the same.  I do not appreciate regulations, but could you imagine what it would be like without them?

At any rate, I love me some sippin whiskey...  Oh and is W.L. Weller 12 easy to get your hands on or about as hard as the Pappy 12?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 10, 2016, 03:36:20 PM
If you are looking for the Antique series it is near impossible to find. The WL Weller Special Reserve is not that bad, but most people gouge. I didn't find it to be all that impressive when I had it, but I think it was like $27. I saw a bottle just the other day for $80 which is nuts.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 10, 2016, 08:43:44 PM
Anything Weller is hard to get by me.  I almost ordered a pour of Weller 12 when i came across it but they wanted more than $25 for a glass.  Crazy.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 12, 2016, 02:45:29 PM
I've been working my way through some blends lately. Monkey Shoulder was on sale this month in NC for $27 so I figured why not. Really enjoyable at an affordable price point. Appears to primarily be casks from Balvenie, Glenfiddich, and Kininvie with other Speyside casks added from time to time. Anyway it has quite a bit more character than the Bon Accord I mentioned not long ago. I can see both finding a home in the bar except not long after each is opened they seem to be drained.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 19, 2016, 02:11:44 PM
I just opened my second 1.75 l bottle of Kirkland (Costco) Blended Scotch Whiskey.  The first one was very pleasant, but simple.  Easy to drink, but without distinction.

This second one is IMO a bit phenolic.  It is not unpleasant, but right on the border.  It tastes of band-aids, smoke, sea-water, cinnamon and (I'm reaching here) marshmallow.  As I taste a little more of it,  sea water or oyster shell is what comes to mind more than anything else.


I bought the $18 handle of Kirkland blended and I cannot choke it down. I can't make it work neat or with any volume of water except the water chasing it down the drain. I'll try it in some mixed beverages, but if it doesn't present as tasty in anything I can come up with it will probably get to clean my pipes.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: pete b on December 19, 2016, 02:28:27 PM
I just opened my second 1.75 l bottle of Kirkland (Costco) Blended Scotch Whiskey.  The first one was very pleasant, but simple.  Easy to drink, but without distinction.

This second one is IMO a bit phenolic.  It is not unpleasant, but right on the border.  It tastes of band-aids, smoke, sea-water, cinnamon and (I'm reaching here) marshmallow.  As I taste a little more of it,  sea water or oyster shell is what comes to mind more than anything else.


I bought the $18 handle of Kirkland blended and I cannot choke it down. I can't make it work neat or with any volume of water except the water chasing it down the drain. I'll try it in some mixed beverages, but if it doesn't present as tasty in anything I can come up with it will probably get to clean my pipes.
Try it in a Rob Roy
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: yso191 on December 19, 2016, 04:55:54 PM
I'm getting the impression that Kirkland is not going for consistency.  It may be that they are just buying up the leavings of various distillers, blending those and bottling...but that is just a guess based on the variation observed.

I'm headed there today, and plan to pick up another.  It may be my last.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 19, 2016, 07:48:57 PM
They had a more expensive Kirkland handle, perhaps $38 of ?12 yr?. I figured if the blend was good I'd try it. The blend was almost awful so I probably won't head down that path. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: JJeffers09 on December 19, 2016, 09:52:20 PM
Basil Hayden is a nice mellow approachable bourbon.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 20, 2016, 12:10:11 AM
It's a Beam in the same family as Knob Creek, Baker's and Booker's. Basil Hayden's is about $40 and while tasty, at that price point there are several great Bourbons. If you want some Booker's snag it now while it is $50-60. They are raising the price by double and are allocating the brand. At $50+ I find it hot and boozy and at double that I find it to be a great way for stores to keep dust off their shelves while the bottles sit and effectively collect dust bunnies.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 22, 2016, 12:51:52 AM
You can keep the Booker's.  I'll take Knob Creek if we're going that way.

I just opened a bottle of Mortlach Rare Old single malt scotch.  Not typically my thing, but buying for the holidays and it was on sale at $50 off.  It's very light, spicy, and the peaty scotchness is restrained.  Smoooooth.  Good stuff, but only coming out for special occasions.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 22, 2016, 01:06:47 AM
You can keep the Booker's.  I'll take Knob Creek if we're going that way.

I just opened a bottle of Mortlach Rare Old single malt scotch.  Not typically my thing, but buying for the holidays and it was on sale at $50 off.  It's very light, spicy, and the peaty scotchness is restrained.  Smoooooth.  Good stuff, but only coming out for special occasions.



I agree on the Knob Cree, Joe. I love it for the price point. I've never tried the Mortlach, though - sounds right up my alley.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 22, 2016, 01:14:18 AM
Drinking it neat, from a Glencairn glass.  Smooth and not hot or boozy.  I could sip it all night.  Need a cigar or a fire.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 22, 2016, 01:16:53 AM
Drinking it neat, from a Glencairn glass.  Smooth and not hot or boozy.  I could sip it all night.  Need a cigar or a fire.


Sounds awesome. As tempted as I am tonight, gonna wait until tomorrow to pour some Lagavulin into my thistle glass and celebrate - vacation starts at 4pm tomorrow.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 22, 2016, 01:22:55 AM
I'm going in at least once over my vacation to meet a deadline.  Maybe twice.  I'll drink 'em when I've got 'em.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: yso191 on December 22, 2016, 01:42:12 AM
Given the recent notes indicating glassware, I'm curious if anyone has tried the new Norlan whiskey glasses.

https://www.norlanglass.com/?gclid=CJSfzv7VhtECFZ26wAodVtEEeQ
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Post by: HoosierBrew on December 22, 2016, 01:48:17 AM
Given the recent notes indicating glassware, I'm curious if anyone has tried the new Norlan whiskey glasses.

https://www.norlanglass.com/?gclid=CJSfzv7VhtECFZ26wAodVtEEeQ



That's pretty interesting.Looks like the aromas get intensified by the airflow from the air chamber. May look into one sometime.
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Post by: yso191 on December 22, 2016, 04:18:04 AM
I bought 4 for my son-in-law, but have never used them.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 22, 2016, 01:46:24 PM
I saw those, but most of the time I drink my whiskey neat in a jelly jar.

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Because it was on sale I bought a fifth of Black Grouse and for me it takes some water to make it palatable. The smoke seems forced and slightly medicinal neat. With a splash it is better, but I probably will not purchase it again once it is gone.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: reverseapachemaster on December 22, 2016, 03:52:18 PM
Picked up a bottle of Johnny Walker Green a few months ago. I usually don't consider blends good value at that price but I had my wife pick it up in a duty free shop so it was a pretty good deal. It's a little more smoky than Black and more peaty. It's drier and more complex but also harsher.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Phil_M on December 22, 2016, 04:01:48 PM
Green Label is back? I'm still nursing the bottle that I managed to grab when it was discontinued. I ought to have tried it again, curious if my taste buds have moved on.

It is a blend, but at least it's a blend of single malts, not single malts and generic "whisky".
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: reverseapachemaster on December 23, 2016, 03:20:41 PM
Green Label is back? I'm still nursing the bottle that I managed to grab when it was discontinued. I ought to have tried it again, curious if my taste buds have moved on.

It is a blend, but at least it's a blend of single malts, not single malts and generic "whisky".

Yeah it came back in February.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 24, 2016, 03:38:14 PM
So right now Rock Hill Farms is tripping my trigger. Another Buffalo Trace product and it is pretty tasty.

This was still lurking in my bar and last night I pulled it out with just a single pour remaining. Some recent articles have said Rock Hill Farms is the same grist as Blanton's. I have not seen Rock Hill on the shelves recently.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 25, 2016, 01:40:23 AM
I always felt Blanton's was over-rated/priced.  Bought it in my 20s but I'll only drink it now if you're pouring.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on December 25, 2016, 06:18:24 AM
Mike I found the Nikka whiskey and the Nikka Coffey grain whiskey here in Gunnison on vacation. Taking home to enjoy later

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: yso191 on December 25, 2016, 06:40:42 AM
The new bottle of 12 year old blended scotch whiskey from Costco is delicious.  Complex, layered flavors, and smooth.  The best of the three I have tried.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 25, 2016, 02:42:03 PM
That was the ~$35 bottle?

Guess I'll just pour out the cheap stuff.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 26, 2016, 09:04:36 PM
Some good ones on that list. I am a fan of the Highland Park, Ardbeg, and the Aberfeldy. I have heard good things about Bowmore, which will be a purchase of mine soon.

Aberfeldy 12 went on sale in NC in December for $34 a fifth so I picked one up. Saw it in SC for close to $50. While tasty and enjoyable I gotta say I like Monkey Shoulder quite a bit more and at $28 a fifth picked up three more recently. Sale in NC is on for it until the end of the year so I might sneak off and buy a few more.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 26, 2016, 09:06:18 PM
Mike I found the Nikka whiskey and the Nikka Coffey grain whiskey here in Gunnison on vacation. Taking home to enjoy later

Was the Nikka Whiskey - Pure Malt or Whiskey from the Barrel? I have not tried either of those, but hear wonderful things about Pure Malt.
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Post by: 69franx on December 26, 2016, 09:18:07 PM
I'll have to double check when I get home and sample some. I'll let you know

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Post by: JJeffers09 on December 28, 2016, 03:39:19 PM
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Whiskey rocks are my new favorite addition.  I will probably never drink  whiskey 'neat' without them.

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Post by: pete b on December 28, 2016, 04:46:41 PM
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Whiskey rocks are my new favorite addition.  I will probably never drink  whiskey 'neat' without them.

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Post by: JJeffers09 on December 28, 2016, 04:51:18 PM
Haha, no!

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 28, 2016, 05:15:03 PM
I've gotten accustomed to drinking some neat and at ambient temps, but with some Bourbons I like the way the flavor changes as a large cube melts. Cold would change the equation, but I'd have to have so many rocks in the freezer we wouldn't be able to accommodate any food. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: JJeffers09 on December 28, 2016, 06:16:24 PM
Who needs frozen food though?

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: BrewBama on December 28, 2016, 07:31:53 PM
I have whiskey stones and an ice ball mold. I prefer the ice but the stones work when I forget to make the ice. Cheers!


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Post by: MDixon on December 28, 2016, 08:06:01 PM
I use this silicone six cube tray and each time I empty it I freeze another six.

(http://images.crateandbarrel.com/is/image/Crate/JumboSlcnIceCubeTrayRedF13/$web_product_hero$&/150824171052/jumbo-red-silicone-ice-cube-tray.jpg)

Each cube looks like this in the glass.

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Post by: JJeffers09 on December 28, 2016, 08:53:38 PM
I was gifted the whiskey wedge this year too, interested how that works with a Kentucky Cuban and rye
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Post by: 69franx on December 30, 2016, 03:04:29 AM
Mike, that's the same ice block tray we have. By the way, here's the Nikka bottles I found: Nikka Whisky Pure Malt and Nikka Coffey Grain Whisky
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Neither have been opened yet, but after driving 1350 miles back from Colorado, I'm about ready

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 30, 2016, 09:14:28 AM
I really enjoy the Coffey Grain, I'll be interested to hear your thoughts on both. Pure Malt is MIA around here so far.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on December 31, 2016, 03:35:36 PM
I just bought the Coffey Grain, and have been enjoying it immensely.
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Post by: 69franx on December 31, 2016, 03:37:45 PM
Sampled the pure malt last night neat. Very enjoyable, but a little hot. Next time will be over a big cube, along with the Coffey. Gotta go slow, as both are MIA back here at home

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Post by: Joe Sr. on December 31, 2016, 05:29:54 PM
I use this silicone six cube tray and each time I empty it I freeze another six.

(http://images.crateandbarrel.com/is/image/Crate/JumboSlcnIceCubeTrayRedF13/$web_product_hero$&/150824171052/jumbo-red-silicone-ice-cube-tray.jpg)

Each cube looks like this in the glass.

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The cube looks even better with the Sazerac.  I was drinking Templeton last night.  Not bad, but relatively boring.  Fine for a party.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 31, 2016, 08:26:05 PM
Sampled the pure malt last night neat. Very enjoyable, but a little hot. Next time will be over a big cube, along with the Coffey. Gotta go slow, as both are MIA back here at home


I typically have the coffey neat. It is a tad warm, but oh so tasty!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 02, 2017, 02:03:11 PM
Building Science of Boubon link
https://mashbang.wordpress.com/2017/01/02/the-building-science-of-bourbon/
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Post by: tonyp on January 02, 2017, 06:09:54 PM
happy new year everyone!

Have any of you tried Bulleit 95 Rye? While liquor shopping for xmas I saw it on the shelf and since it was only $28, I grabbed a 750 of it. I'm completely blown away with how tasty and smooth it is, it really surprised me.

We had some friends over for Irish Coffees one night and instead of Irish Whiskey I subbed in the Rye and everyone raved about it!

If you haven't tried it, give it a whirl, it might surprise you too!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 02, 2017, 09:33:38 PM
Bulleit Rye = MGP and it definitely is tasty stuff
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 04, 2017, 12:23:16 AM
Costco Scotch info
https://thewhiskeywash.com/scotch-whiskey/steve-lipp-man-behind-great-private-label-scotch/

Turns out the nasty solventy character of the $18 handle of Costco Blended lessened after a few glasses were poured out the the bottle opened for a short while. Turns out it ain't a bad glass so I won't be pouring it out. However I am not sure I'll buy another.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on January 05, 2017, 03:16:03 AM
I use this silicone six cube tray and each time I empty it I freeze another six.

(http://images.crateandbarrel.com/is/image/Crate/JumboSlcnIceCubeTrayRedF13/$web_product_hero$&/150824171052/jumbo-red-silicone-ice-cube-tray.jpg)

Each cube looks like this in the glass.

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I was at the hotel bar/restaurant ordering takeout for my son last week on vacation and ordered a nice glass of rum on the rocks while I was waiting. It came out with a 1x2x3 inch slab of ice in the glass. I wish I had a picture, but it was really cool (pun intended). I was surprised that they "got it" at a resort rum bar/restaurant.

To top it off, a really good flamenco guitarist was absolutely killing it for live entertainment while I was waiting. It was one of those memorable drinks that captured the mood just right.
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Post by: MDixon on January 05, 2017, 02:04:02 PM
I like craft cocktail bars like that who make their own ice slabs. The only downside is sometimes it is difficult to drink the drink around the chunk of ice. I was at one who had this contraption for making the round ball ice and it slowed getting a drink down to a crawl and eventually they ran out of ice to use in the ball maker. Not a fan of gimmicks which lead to slow service.
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Post by: 69franx on January 06, 2017, 03:23:43 AM
http://www.cincinnatimagazine.com/high-spirits-blog/mgp-ingredients-lawrenceburg/
Mike I have not read yet but it's the story behind MGP

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Post by: JJeffers09 on January 06, 2017, 12:18:55 PM
Then that link brought me to SKU - whiskey blogger.

http://recenteats.blogspot.com/p/the-complete-list-of-american-whiskey.html

That is one hell of a list.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: reverseapachemaster on January 06, 2017, 04:24:42 PM
I like craft cocktail bars like that who make their own ice slabs. The only downside is sometimes it is difficult to drink the drink around the chunk of ice. I was at one who had this contraption for making the round ball ice and it slowed getting a drink down to a crawl and eventually they ran out of ice to use in the ball maker. Not a fan of gimmicks which lead to slow service.

I'm generally not a fan of the big ice in my drinks but I cannot stand the big ice ball. I always feel like I'm fighting to keep it in the glass while drinking. Plus, as you said, if the bar is remotely busy you're waiting unnecessarily for some stupid piece of ice.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 06, 2017, 09:04:36 PM
Then that link brought me to SKU - whiskey blogger.

http://recenteats.blogspot.com/p/the-complete-list-of-american-whiskey.html

That is one hell of a list.

And a quick way to tell if something you are drinking is made somewhere completely different! ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: yso191 on January 07, 2017, 05:27:21 AM
I like craft cocktail bars like that who make their own ice slabs. The only downside is sometimes it is difficult to drink the drink around the chunk of ice. I was at one who had this contraption for making the round ball ice and it slowed getting a drink down to a crawl and eventually they ran out of ice to use in the ball maker. Not a fan of gimmicks which lead to slow service.

I'm generally not a fan of the big ice in my drinks but I cannot stand the big ice ball. I always feel like I'm fighting to keep it in the glass while drinking. Plus, as you said, if the bar is remotely busy you're waiting unnecessarily for some stupid piece of ice.

I don't like my whiskey with anything in it.  Neat for me.  IMO anything else dilutes or gets in the way.
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Post by: erockrph on January 07, 2017, 02:53:23 PM
I like craft cocktail bars like that who make their own ice slabs. The only downside is sometimes it is difficult to drink the drink around the chunk of ice. I was at one who had this contraption for making the round ball ice and it slowed getting a drink down to a crawl and eventually they ran out of ice to use in the ball maker. Not a fan of gimmicks which lead to slow service.

I'm generally not a fan of the big ice in my drinks but I cannot stand the big ice ball. I always feel like I'm fighting to keep it in the glass while drinking. Plus, as you said, if the bar is remotely busy you're waiting unnecessarily for some stupid piece of ice.

I don't like my whiskey with anything in it.  Neat for me.  IMO anything else dilutes or gets in the way.
Dilution is not a bad thing with whiskey! (or most other spirits for that matter) The alcohol heat at full strength masks a lot of the more subtle flavors and aromatics that a splash of water will bring out.

For me, tasting is done at room temp with a splash of cool water. Sipping is done over an ice cube or two. I enjoy the changes in flavor over time as the ice slowly melts.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on January 18, 2017, 07:45:45 PM
So for our thoughts on the Nikka whiskys:
She feels that the pure malt is too much like Scotch Whiskey, I really enjoyed it over a large cube from the red tray
She is much happier with the coffey, I think it comes off as too sweet on the front palate and leaves me with an odd taste on the back end.
Both of these are thoughts from my fairly untrained whisky/whiskey palate, so take them with a grain of salt or a splash of water.  ;D
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 19, 2017, 12:52:00 PM
It does have a bit of sweetness. Hit it again in a few days to see if the perception changes, I like it neat.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on January 19, 2017, 12:58:26 PM
Will do

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on January 22, 2017, 08:48:07 PM
Bought some Yellow Spot Irish Whiskey. Very good! I am not decided yet on whether it is worth the price, but it is indeed delicious.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on January 23, 2017, 03:28:59 PM
Bought some Yellow Spot Irish Whiskey. Very good! I am not decided yet on whether it is worth the price, but it is indeed delicious.

I've been tempted.  But the Yellow is a bit pricier than the Green.  Green Spot is outstanding, so I have no doubt that Yellow Spot is as well.

How would you describe it?  Is it sweet?  Irish Whiskey's are too sweet for me these days, at least for a regular sip.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on January 26, 2017, 01:08:33 PM
The new bottle of 12 year old blended scotch whiskey from Costco is delicious.  Complex, layered flavors, and smooth.  The best of the three I have tried.

Snagged one of these. Seem to recall it was $38 for the handle. Very nice glass, much better than the cheaper half gallon. Of course the cheaper half gallon grew on me over time and has now gone to recycling. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on January 27, 2017, 02:22:40 AM
Bought some Yellow Spot Irish Whiskey. Very good! I am not decided yet on whether it is worth the price, but it is indeed delicious.

I've been tempted.  But the Yellow is a bit pricier than the Green.  Green Spot is outstanding, so I have no doubt that Yellow Spot is as well.

How would you describe it?  Is it sweet?  Irish Whiskey's are too sweet for me these days, at least for a regular sip.

It is a little sweet. As far as a description: plum, a little bit of apple, and iodine. Even with a splash of water it is a little hot. I would say it is not as sweet as other Irish Whiskeys.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 07, 2017, 01:18:14 PM
The Famous Grouse was on sale for $21 and while it is not a bad glass, the Kirkland 12-year blend is much better and less expensive at $38 a handle and Monkey Shoulder blows it out of the water. Of course Monkey Shoulder is 30% more than Famous Grouse so it should be that much better.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: JJeffers09 on February 07, 2017, 01:32:57 PM
Enjoyed a neat glass of Angel's Envy.  Not bad, seemed oddly familiar but could not place it.

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 07, 2017, 02:25:32 PM
Angel's was all the rage a few years back but to me at that time it had a fusel alcohol aroma with a tad bit of nail polish and was off-putting so I have skipped it ever since.

It appears AE was introduced in 2010. I am guessing I had it 3 or 4 years years ago. At 50 beans a bottle I can find something I appreciate more for less. ;)

PS (edit): What is interesting is this is the first mention we have had about it in the thread.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 07, 2017, 04:13:10 PM
Angel's was all the rage a few years back but to me at that time it had a fusel alcohol aroma with a tad bit of nail polish and was off-putting so I have skipped it ever since.

It appears AE was introduced in 2010. I am guessing I had it 3 or 4 years years ago. At 50 beans a bottle I can find something I appreciate more for less. ;)

PS (edit): What is interesting is this is the first mention we have had about it in the thread.

Actually, we discussed it a bit in 2015... I recall as someone brought a bottle over for Halloween that year.

I also received a bottle of Angel's Envy this year for Christmas.  It's not going real fast.  I think maybe there's something with the sherry casks that I'm not loving.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 11, 2017, 01:22:24 AM
Just about to finish off a fifth of Auchentoshan American Oak and it just seems rough around the edges to me. It's got a woody aroma of the oak and a spicy character as well. I'm not planning to buy it again.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 12, 2017, 04:43:23 PM
I've been trying to make the rounds with the various Bottled In Bond Bourbons. Evan Williams Bottled In Bond was on sale for $14 so how could I resist. Could not make it work for me neat or over ice so I mixed up a Bourbon and Ginger (Powell & Mahoney) and it was quite good.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 13, 2017, 09:11:18 PM
For the most part, I find Evan Williams to be undrinkable.  I haven't had their Bottled in Bond but their black label is terrible.

I did enjoy their single barrel, though.  So that stands out from their offerings.

As far as drinking it mixed with ginger ale (or beer), pretty much any bourbon is drinkable that way IMO.  I've had plenty of Beam and gingers, and I would not want Beam neat or over ice.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 13, 2017, 09:43:33 PM
Some just don't shine with ginger. The EW BiB reminds me of Buffalo Trace when mixed with Ginger. I will also point out I am having a BOURBON with ginger if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 13, 2017, 09:57:49 PM
Heard that.

I'm tempted to get the Old Grandad Bottled in Bond since you said you enjoyed it.  Saw it at Whole Foods but I don't need to pay their prices.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 14, 2017, 12:00:55 AM
I drank it neat and it was quite tasty.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 14, 2017, 12:10:16 AM
I've got it on ice right now.  It starts a little hot.  Spicy.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 15, 2017, 10:56:33 PM
You can still get Old Grandad 114...for now.
http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2017/02/dont-cry-for-old-grand-dad-114.html
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 15, 2017, 11:03:29 PM
I had the BIB neat last night, and then over ice.  I think it was actually better neat.  $22 at Whole Foods, so probably under $20 anywhere else.  Not bad.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 15, 2017, 11:42:50 PM
It kinda grows on you and the next thing you know the fifth is empty. I'm currently waiting for it to go on sale again at NCABC where it is currently $24.

EDIT: It goes on sale again at NCABC in April for $20.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: coolman26 on February 23, 2017, 11:08:06 PM
I stopped to get some OGD 114 last night. They wanted $43.99.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 24, 2017, 01:15:43 PM
What!!! It's typically $25-29 when I spot it out and about.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: coolman26 on February 24, 2017, 09:22:51 PM
That was the price I was looking for. Bought Willet Pot Still instead. It was on sale and the store owner said it was his favorite of all he carries. Haven't tried it yet.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 24, 2017, 10:17:49 PM
Willet is good stuff.  Just made a run to Binny's and they're shelves were pretty full.  No OG 114 though.  And prices seem to keep creeping up.

I noticed they're stocking more and more of the craft/small distilleries (which are largely MGP juice) at the expense of some of the lower-end Kentucky products (VOB, Heaven Hill, etc.).  Was thinking of picking up a bottled-in-bond offering, but all they had was Evan Williams and Old Grandad (at $1 more than Whole Foods go figure).
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 24, 2017, 10:56:19 PM
Evan Williams BIB is a deal at $15 for mixing, at $20 I've got other Bourbons I like better.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 24, 2017, 11:01:26 PM
I didn't even look at the price on the EW.  Their black label is so putrid I can't bring myself to make that leap yet.  Maybe another time.  I'll probably try JTS Brown bonded beforehand, though.

Instead, I picked up some Elijah Craig on sale.  Haven't had it in years and recall being unimpressed.  But it was a good sale so I'll give 'er a whirl.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 24, 2017, 11:37:35 PM
EC is good stuff. Often at $24-25 it is a bargain.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on February 25, 2017, 03:26:22 AM
On sale for $27.  $34 at full price is too much.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 25, 2017, 01:34:24 PM
Cracked open the Ardbeg 10 YR last night. I have a sinus infection and ear infection so I figured the smoky phenols would be more subdued. Found I preferred it with a splash of water. It will be interesting to see how much my impression changes when my condition clears up. I really didn't find the phenols subdued, ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Phil_M on February 25, 2017, 02:56:45 PM
I almost always drink Ardberg with a little water. Just put a few drops in, smell it, and continue till it kinda opens up some. It's really good stuff.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 25, 2017, 03:36:01 PM
I almost always drink Ardberg with a little water. Just put a few drops in, smell it, and continue till it kinda opens up some. It's really good stuff.


Yeah, tasty stuff.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on February 26, 2017, 06:28:32 PM
I almost always drink Ardberg with a little water. Just put a few drops in, smell it, and continue till it kinda opens up some. It's really good stuff.

That's my MO for tasting any scotch. Sipping might be done on ice, but when I really want to dig into the flavor and aroma. it's neat with a splash of water.

I waffle back and forth a bit, but Ardbeg is possibly my favorite Islay distillery. I find Ardbeg to have the most peaty/smoky character out of three south coast Islay distilleries, which are generally the peatiest of all the Islay distilleries.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Phil_M on February 27, 2017, 02:52:55 AM
Of the three the only one I still haven't tried is Lagavulin...I don't know if the Ron Swanson character made it so popular that it sells before I find it or what.

Of the two I've tried Laphroig is my go-too. The Ardberg is just a bit too hot, and not in an alcohol heat way. I haven't tried it in a while, maybe it's time to revisit it...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 27, 2017, 02:19:26 PM
Of the three the only one I still haven't tried is Lagavulin...I don't know if the Ron Swanson character made it so popular that it sells before I find it or what.


Yeah, I love Laphroaig, too. Awesome stuff. But Lagavulin is pretty sublime IMO, too. And I bet 'Ron Swanson' drove up the interest and maybe the price a bit.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on February 27, 2017, 04:10:39 PM
Of the three the only one I still haven't tried is Lagavulin...I don't know if the Ron Swanson character made it so popular that it sells before I find it or what.

Yeah, I love Laphroaig, too. Awesome stuff. But Lagavulin is pretty sublime IMO, too. And I bet 'Ron Swanson' drove up the interest and maybe the price a bit.
I highly recommend Talisker if you like the peatiest/smokiest Islay malts. The distillery is on the coast of the Isle of Skye, and must have a similar ocean climate. The character is very similar to something like Lagavulin. Talisker doesn't seem to get as much attention as the distilleries on Islay, but it is right up there with them if that's your type of Scotch.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on February 27, 2017, 04:15:00 PM
Of the three the only one I still haven't tried is Lagavulin...I don't know if the Ron Swanson character made it so popular that it sells before I find it or what.

Yeah, I love Laphroaig, too. Awesome stuff. But Lagavulin is pretty sublime IMO, too. And I bet 'Ron Swanson' drove up the interest and maybe the price a bit.
I highly recommend Talisker if you like the peatiest/smokiest Islay malts. The distillery is on the coast of the Isle of Skye, and must have a similar ocean climate. The character is very similar to something like Lagavulin. Talisker doesn't seem to get as much attention as the distilleries on Islay, but it is right up there with them if that's your type of Scotch.

I've had it and agree. Very tasty stuff, and underrated.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: el_capitan on February 27, 2017, 10:55:53 PM
I was not impressed with the Four Roses yellow label - I like more of a caramel character.  I can get Elijah Craig for like $12 here, and I like that one fairly well. 

I've enjoyed Two Gingers quite a bit, and Paddy makes a good whiskey too.  Hellcat Maggie was also decent. 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on February 27, 2017, 11:59:38 PM
Found a whale today. Had been trying to get a bottle of Elijah Craig Barrel Proof for several years and never was able to find it. Happened to see it on the NCABC warehouse list and through several calls and stops figured out when delivery was scheduled and arrived just after it hit the shelf. Great timing, only three bottles per case and only one case went to that store. It will be quite some time before it comes up in the queue.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 19, 2017, 09:37:15 PM
Finished off the fifth of 2 Gingers Irish Whiskey. Not very complex, but not overly sweet. Only $17 so not much coin. I'm sure it was meant to be drank mixed as opposed to neat as I drank it. Would be a good choice for a party as it paired well with almost everything.
Title: Whiskey
Post by: coolman26 on March 19, 2017, 11:32:55 PM
Had a customer give me some Elijah Craig when I completed his job. I've never had it. I was wondering if I should soak my oak spirals in Elijah for my RIS, or drink it.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 20, 2017, 12:39:06 AM
Drink it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: 69franx on March 20, 2017, 03:10:28 AM
I agree with MDixon here

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on March 20, 2017, 11:57:33 AM
Has anyone tried the Jameson Caskmates? I'm very interested to try a whiskey aged in beer barrels (rather than the other way around).  I'm sure any changes are subtle, but it's only 30$ a 1/5th here in Oregon so I figure it's worth a shot. 

I don't like scotch (or haven't found one yet I like) and American whiskey is hit or miss for me, most of the really nice stuff is also really expensive, but I've discovered I like Irish Whiskey.  The blending I feel makes it smoother and I think it tends to be a little sweeter.  One of my favorites is the Bushmills 16 yr, but that's spendy.  Had some Tullamore DEW 12 yr last weekend that was quite nice.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 20, 2017, 12:16:58 PM
I didn't care much for the Jameson I had from from the stout cask, but you might not have the same experience. It's been quite some time, but I remember I enjoyed the Bourbon and Scotch I had that night much, much more.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: coolman26 on March 20, 2017, 11:13:42 PM
Drink it.
Consider it done. Thanks, I figured it to be too "top Shelf" for an additive.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 21, 2017, 01:25:01 PM
I like it with a cube, but I've been drinking most everything neat lately so I might have to buy a fifth and see how I prefer it now.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 24, 2017, 01:46:53 AM
Finishing off a fifth of West Cork Irish Whiskey Bourbon Cask tonight. Much less sweet neat as compared to 2 Gingers. Was a bit fusel when first opened, kinda grew on me over time, but rather boring all things considered. Not bad by any means, but missing the expected Bourbon character other than an oak presence. At $22, worth trying if you decided to give it a whirl.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 26, 2017, 12:47:25 AM
Finishing up a bottle of Medley Private Stock 10 Year Bourbon. Turns out this one was rare and I didn't even know it. Only sold in 20 markets and 1,000 cases. It is a Medley/Frank-Lin creation and despite not being but 90 proof came off as a bit hot without a cube. It had a cedar aromatic neat which blossomed into rye and brown sugar with a cube. If memory serves it was a 60 beans and at 40 it would be a no brainer, but at 60 it only commands the price because it's a bit rare.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on March 26, 2017, 06:56:47 PM
Was at McMenamins Edgefield this weekend for a friends weddings and they tend to have a very nice whiskey selection, including the ones they make.

McMenamins Hogshead is my favorite of the ones they make, I presume it's an american whiskey/bourbon style.  They just released on St Patty's day their limited release Devils Bit, which is an irish style whiskey which is also really good, but sadly only comes in small 200ml bottles.  But it's small batch limited release, so I can understand that. 

The others I got to try were a few that I've seen on Whiskey posts on Instagram and other locations.  One was Elmer T Lee, which was decent for a cheaper bourbon, ended up adding a couple ice cubes to that. 

Then I tried the Suntory Toki.  Very light in color, but super smooth.  Drank that one neat.

The last one I tried was the Colonel E.H. Taylor Small Batch.  That one was for sure the best of the bunch.  Super oaky and vanilla heavy.  I wanted just a drop of water in that one, so I ended up dunking an ice cube into and then pulling it back out.  Opened it up really nice. 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 26, 2017, 09:38:48 PM
E.H Taylor Small Batch is my go to, difficult to find so I hoard it, currently 3 bottles at the house. It retails around $40. Elmer T. Lee is also very difficult to snag so if you see it, buy all they will let you get. The last time I was able to get two bottles and still have one. I believe they were $36 ea. Toki is very nice. In NC it is $30, but everywhere else it goes higher, I saw it for much higher in CA.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on March 27, 2017, 11:54:51 AM
E.H Taylor Small Batch is my go to, difficult to find so I hoard it, currently 3 bottles at the house. It retails around $40. Elmer T. Lee is also very difficult to snag so if you see it, buy all they will let you get. The last time I was able to get two bottles and still have one. I believe they were $36 ea. Toki is very nice. In NC it is $30, but everywhere else it goes higher, I saw it for much higher in CA.

Yeah I did some googling and the prices didn't look bad at all.  I love that the OLCC here in Oregon publishes their price lists, so I can just look something up anytime I want.  The Toki here is 40$.  The other two aren't listed, so I guess the bar is the only place to get those.  They weren't too bad at 8-10$ a pour, but bottles will always be cheaper.

Another thing I noticed as I started looking things up (and it makes sense from a distribution standpoint) was that McMenamins had essentially the entire Buffalo Trace portfolio.  They had BT, Eagle Rare, EH Taylor, Elmer T Lee, Stagg Jr and I think even a couple of the bottom shelf ones like Ancient Age, which are all Buffalo Trace labels.

I had had a bottle of the Eagle Rare before, and I knew Buffalo Trace was the same company, so another time I went to a different McM's I got a pour of the Buffalo Trace and it was really nice.  Paired nicely with a cigar.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jeffy on March 28, 2017, 12:05:57 AM
It's been several years but I have had a really nice bourbon that McMenamins made as well as an excellent gin.  Sitting at an outside bar by the fire in Bend may have enhanced the experience.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jeffy on March 28, 2017, 12:11:25 AM
It's been several years but I have had a really nice bourbon that McMenamins made as well as an excellent gin.  Sitting at an outside bar by the fire in Bend may have enhanced the experience.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: JJeffers09 on April 02, 2017, 01:46:28 AM
A fun prank serve scotch fans Kessler and wait for them to explain what they are tasting...

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 15, 2017, 02:47:51 PM
McClelland's Highland Single Malt was only $22, but it is a pass. Too harsh and alcoholic for my tastes and too much cedar and oak character. Water didn't temper it, the only thing which did was having a few IPAs before a glass of it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: barliman on June 04, 2017, 08:55:43 PM
I'm ready to join in. I'm a novice when it comes to bourbon, and am trying a few bourbons in the $20-30 price range. The first purchases were Elijah Craig, Evan Williams Single Barrel, and Jim Beam BIB.  I've had all of them neat, with a splash of water, with a couple cubes of ice, and with Coca Cola. The best of those to drink neat was the Beam. It was very smooth. The other two were great with a splash of water, as well as with some ice. 

Next, for me will be the Four Roses Single Barrel. With all of the positive reviews for it, I'm pretty excited to try this one.

J
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on June 05, 2017, 11:57:47 AM
I'm ready to join in. I'm a novice when it comes to bourbon, and am trying a few bourbons in the $20-30 price range. The first purchases were Elijah Craig, Evan Williams Single Barrel, and Jim Beam BIB.  I've had all of them neat, with a splash of water, with a couple cubes of ice, and with Coca Cola. The best of those to drink neat was the Beam. It was very smooth. The other two were great with a splash of water, as well as with some ice. 

Next, for me will be the Four Roses Single Barrel. With all of the positive reviews for it, I'm pretty excited to try this one.

J

I'm still in the exploring stage myself, isn't that the fun part?

One thing I've learned with whiskey is the adage holds true (to a certain extent) that you "get what you pay for".  That doesn't mean you have to drop $300 on a 27yr single malt.. but that you can tell a pretty big difference between an $25 bottle of Evan Williams and a $45 bottle of Eagle Rare. I've enjoyed a lot of stuff in the $40-60 a bottle range. Of course, personal preference varies both in taste and willingness to spend, so what you like may not be the same.

That said, I haven't had the Four Roses, but also from word of mouth, I think you'll really like it and it should be a step up from the previous three you mentioned.

A lot of my favorites come from the Buffalo Trace Portfolio.  Buffalo Trace, Eagle Rare, Colonel E H Taylor and Blantons are all quite good.  Woodford Reserve is another favorite.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 05, 2017, 04:26:06 PM
I'm ready to join in. I'm a novice when it comes to bourbon, and am trying a few bourbons in the $20-30 price range. The first purchases were Elijah Craig, Evan Williams Single Barrel, and Jim Beam BIB.  I've had all of them neat, with a splash of water, with a couple cubes of ice, and with Coca Cola. The best of those to drink neat was the Beam. It was very smooth. The other two were great with a splash of water, as well as with some ice. 

Next, for me will be the Four Roses Single Barrel. With all of the positive reviews for it, I'm pretty excited to try this one.

J

I tried the Beam Bottled in Bond over the weekend.  I did not enjoy it.  I'd rather have regular Beam.

Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 05, 2017, 09:18:52 PM
It's always a different strokes for different folks kinda thing with Whiskey. Be sure to find what YOU like. I tend to not like high alcohol and harsh flavors. For that reason Booker's is not a favorite and Woodford is a little rough around the edges for me. The nice thing about Bourbon is in the sub $50 price range you can go just about hog wild. I tend to find the $25-35 price point is a sweet spot for good quality Bourbons so have at it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: barliman on June 06, 2017, 01:33:41 AM
I don't really see myself spending more than $40 on a bottle of bourbon. Like you said, there are very good options in the $25-35 price range.

I have read through the entire thread, and here is my list of bottles that I want to try: Knob Creek, Eagle Rare, Buffalo Trace, Henry McKenna, Elmer T. Lee, Basil Hayden, and if I get lucky, Weller Antique or Special Reserve.

I may also have to revisit Jim Beam White, and Black Label.

Seems like I have some work ahead of me.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 06, 2017, 02:27:58 AM
You'll need to be lucky to find some Elmer T.  If you're really lucky, maybe some Weller 12.

I'm by no means recommending Beam white label but I was disappointed with the BIB.  I'll certainly try it again but based on the Old Grandad BIB I was expecting more.  Beam white is great with ginger ale.  But most bourbon is.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: barliman on June 06, 2017, 03:45:01 AM
I knew that you weren't a huge fan of the JB White label. I am going to use them as a baseline that I can compare the others to.

As I was reading through the thread, it seemed like my tastes were most similar to yours and mdixon's. As I said before, I am a novice when it comes to bourbon. I figured that using yours and his recommendations would be a good place to start.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 06, 2017, 11:17:44 AM
Old Grandad BIB is fantastic for the price. You will probably not find Elmer T. Lee and depending upon where you live Eagle Rare can be difficult. In NC we are nasty with Eagle Rare whereas in SC you cannot find it anywhere.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jrdatta on June 06, 2017, 01:32:21 PM
You'll need to be lucky to find some Elmer T.  If you're really lucky, maybe some Weller 12.

I'm by no means recommending Beam white label but I was disappointed with the BIB.  I'll certainly try it again but based on the Old Grandad BIB I was expecting more.  Beam white is great with ginger ale.  But most bourbon is.

The Old Granddad BIB is a different mash bill from the beam label.  Granddad is the same bourbon as Basil Hayden's (just younger and bottled in higher proof). Big fan of the Bonded Granddad!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jrdatta on June 06, 2017, 01:52:11 PM
So, after reading through the thread, it amazes me the hate directed at the "bottom" shelf.  American bourbon, especially the bottle shelf, are some of the best deals for quality:price in booze.  I think a bunch the dislike of it is marketing bias. Take Granddad BIB for instance.  A couple years ago when it still came in the gaudy bright orange bottle with the plastic screw cap, it got no love but it was amazing for the price point (remember it is just young basil haydens). Then they redesigned the bottle with a cork closure, bumped the price per bottle by three bucks and then it started getting recognition.  Evan Williams is from Heaven Hill (who consistently make some wonderful bourbons and the bartenders darling Rittenhouse Rye) and is a wonderful bourbon for how DIRT CHEAP it is.  The big problem with it is the bottle is terrible.  If I served it out of a decanter, most people wouldn't think twice about it.  If you want a dirt cheap no thinker wheated bourbon Old Crow is a good stand in and in my market is $12/liter.  Blows the doors off of a Canadian, scotch, or irish at that price.  The high dollar bourbons aren't really worth it in my experience (we are talking like north of 35 bucks here) when we have a plethora of beautiful bourbons for not a lot of scratch.  ****end rant and apologies to the thread****  #allofthesaltiness
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 06, 2017, 02:13:47 PM
I don't see the "no love for bottom shelf" but maybe that's my limited perspective.

I went on a bottom shelf tour somewhere around 8 years ago and found some good stuff there.  VOB, Ancient Age (though the last bottle did not hold up to my memory), and Weller (Antique and Special Reserve) were some of the best.  Of course, you can't get Weller anymore and the price point has jumped significantly.

Heaven Hill used to bottle a private label for Zimmerman's Liquors in Chicago and it was a great bourbon.  Supposedly the same juice as the Heaven Hill bourbon, which again I cannot find anywhere any longer.

Evan Williams was awful when I had it.  Black Lablel, though.  There may be better options.  Their Single Barrel is nice.

Perception certainly plays a role in it, but everyone has different preferences, too.  Some days Makers tastes good to me.  Other days, not so much.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jrdatta on June 06, 2017, 02:27:17 PM
That's fair, and palates are all different so that plays a factor too.  I just let my inherent saltiness get the better of me.

That said if it has been a while I would give the black label a try again.  Just pretend it is in a nicer bottle. Also, if you can find it and can deal with the fact that it looks like something a frat boy would buy for the giggle factor Fighting Cock (see, told ya) is a pretty solid bourbon, especially for serious cocktail mixing.  Made by Heaven Hill and it usually runs like 16-18 for a 750.  At 103 proof, it is a pretty big whiskey, but good stuff.  Definitely throw it in a decanter before serving to company.

 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on June 06, 2017, 11:41:25 PM
I went on a bottom shelf tour somewhere around 8 years ago and found some good stuff there.  VOB, Ancient Age (though the last bottle did not hold up to my memory), and Weller (Antique and Special Reserve) were some of the best.  Of course, you can't get Weller anymore and the price point has jumped significantly.

Evan Williams was awful when I had it.  Black Lablel, though.  There may be better options.  Their Single Barrel is nice.

At first I was like "Weller's Bottom Shelf?" but I see now the change...

I also didn't like the straight Even Williams when I tried it, but my wife and I are both very fond of the Evan Williams Cherry.  Of course, it's sweet and flavored and goes down smooth as silk. 

To me, how and where you're going to drink something makes a difference.  If we're going out of town just for a fun weekend we'll grab a bottle of that $15 EW Cherry... if we're at a fancy cigar bar I'm gonna order a 16yr Bushmills or something of that ilk.  I think a lot of the people in this thread are enthusiasts (which makes sense for a group of homebrewers) and if they are going to try something they want to taste just that, not mixed with water or soda or whatever.  Doesn't mean these guys and gals don't care for a jack and coke every now and then, but when they're on a forum they're gonna talk about the white whale they found like a 20 yr Rip Van Winkle. I totally get the point of your "rant" but just offering up a side angle of what could be going on.

I'm looking at the price list for this month (I love that Oregon Liquor Control does that) and I'm a bit shocked how low the prices are for the EW 1738 and the EW Single Barrel, so I will absolutely have to give those a try. I'm also fairly sure I tried the Green Label and not the Black Label.  (Oddly, the Green Label is not on the EW Website). 

My wife had the pleasure of visiting the Evan Williams Distillery in Kentucky and was very impressed with it.  I can't remember the details but she said that had a bourbon you could only buy at the tasting room, but it was well north of $100. She enjoyed everything there and appreciated that they are still family owned and American owned (unlike Jim Beam).
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: barliman on June 07, 2017, 02:26:18 AM
Old Grandad BIB is fantastic for the price. You will probably not find Elmer T. Lee and depending upon where you live Eagle Rare can be difficult. In NC we are nasty with Eagle Rare whereas in SC you cannot find it anywhere.

My local municipal liquor store had Eagle Rare last time I was there. I think it was about $40.

I saw the grandad bonded last time I was at another liquor store. I did give it a second look, but went with the Old Grand Dad 114 instead.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 07, 2017, 02:36:46 AM
It seems like in Chicago availability by store depends on who the distributor is.  I can get Eagle Rare every day at Whole Foods.  Never at Binny's.

Some of the smaller places don't carry any of the Buffalo Trace brands.  Others it seems like that's all they carry.

I'm giving the Beam BIB another run tonight.  Still not loving it.  For me, it's too much spice and not enough vanilla.  But it's not bad by any measure.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 07, 2017, 11:20:25 AM
Old Grandad 114 is supposedly being phased out or they are lowering production, I forget which. The price at one time was low, but it is climbing. It's a nice Bourbon and not nearly as hot as one would imagine being 114 proof.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: barliman on June 07, 2017, 02:06:05 PM
Old Grandad 114 is supposedly being phased out or they are lowering production, I forget which. The price at one time was low, but it is climbing. It's a nice Bourbon and not nearly as hot as one would imagine being 114 proof.

That was why I chose the 114 over the bonded.  I may put it in the back of the cabinet and forget about it for awhile.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: barliman on June 07, 2017, 05:34:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diPPMlpjGM0

I ran across this video while searching for info about Old Grand Dad.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: kmccaf on June 23, 2017, 12:58:49 AM
Found a bottle of Noah's Mill, which I haven't seen in a while. Still tastes good. Very oaky, sweet, and a little hot. A nice floral aroma. A solid summer sipper.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: weazletoe on June 30, 2017, 12:10:47 AM
Been looking for this since I left idaho, to no avail. I finally had given up. After work Saturday I was going to stop at the state store for a bottle of Gentlemen Jack. For some reason I decided to stop at the one about 1/4 doom my office as opposed to the one next to my condo. Went to grab my Jack, when I see this out of the corner of my eye. So for 4 years I've been sitting on top of it and had no clue.

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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 30, 2017, 09:35:27 PM
You've not been able to find Elijah Craig? In NC and SC it is everywhere. A great value IMO.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on July 01, 2017, 02:34:16 AM
No doubt. I can get it at target. Elmer T on the other hand I'll buy whatever I can find since I can't find it.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jimmykx250 on July 01, 2017, 11:30:57 AM
I have a bottle of old grand dad that my dad got as a gift when he got out of the war. Still hasn't been opened. Just tried high west for the first time really impressed with how smooth that was.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jeffy on July 01, 2017, 10:21:13 PM
I liked a dram of Nikka Coffey Malt at an upscale bar recently so I splurged and bought a bottle. Even though it was a bit less than double what I normally spend on whiskey, I am really enjoying this bottle.  Who knew that they could make such good scotch in Japan?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on July 02, 2017, 03:54:03 AM
Shhh, don't let everyone in on that secret!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on July 02, 2017, 02:09:48 PM
Been looking for this since I left idaho, to no avail. I finally had given up. After work Saturday I was going to stop at the state store for a bottle of Gentlemen Jack. For some reason I decided to stop at the one about 1/4 doom my office as opposed to the one next to my condo. Went to grab my Jack, when I see this out of the corner of my eye. So for 4 years I've been sitting on top of it and had no clue.

(http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd235/Weazletoe/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-06/20170624_121146_zpshdqd74ws.jpg) (http://s225.photobucket.com/user/Weazletoe/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-06/20170624_121146_zpshdqd74ws.jpg.html)

The stores here in Oregon are that way. Different stores stock different things.  What I love about Oregon is they publish price lists online, so you can see a big list of everything they carry "somewhere"... sometimes it just takes a bit to find it.  Eventually you can figure out some of the stores in some neighborhoods carry the fancier stuff.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on July 04, 2017, 12:43:16 PM
Finished off the bottle of Old Forester 1920 Prohibition Style last night. I just never truly enjoyed this one. At 115 proof it was too hot for neat and even a cube didn't quite tame the beast. At $60 there are better Bourbons for less.

Not sure we have discussed 1897 BIB from Old Forester. I did not enjoy it nearly as much as the 1870 Original Batch.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: coolman26 on July 04, 2017, 01:28:23 PM
I'm not a fan of Old Forester. It is too hot in all forms for me.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on July 04, 2017, 09:27:01 PM
1870 Original Batch is a nice glass.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on July 22, 2017, 01:33:54 AM
Finished up my bottle of Wildcatter 8 Yr tonight. A darn nice glass as all the Frank-lin products tend to be. This one says Elite Brands, At 90 proof I found at best with a cube. I think the price point was something like $35.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on July 22, 2017, 02:01:12 AM
Finished up my bottle of Wildcatter 8 Yr tonight. A darn nice glass as all the Frank-lin products tend to be. This one says Elite Brands, At 90 proof I found at best with a cube. I think the price point was something like $35.

Working on a binnys barrel select knob creek single barrel. It's tasty but at 120 proof it's warm. Rocks and water and there's still some heat and a ton of flavor.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on August 09, 2017, 12:18:53 AM
Went camping over the weekend with my wife's family and they are people of simple tastes (Coors Light, Miller Light etc).. so when my brother in law goes in to town for a nip, what does he bring back but a 1/5th of Jack Daniels Black Label. 

It ain't fancy, but man it's good.  I forget how good it is because I think I look down on it as a "bottom shelf" brand, but it's not bad.  Is is single malt scotch? Of course not, but it's not trying to be.  I didn't try it neat, but it mixed really well with Diet Coke.  Strong vanilla flavor from the oak, nice and smooth.  It goes down really well, which can be dangerous.  But, in a situation like camping where I'm not driving anywhere in 3 days, pour me another one! I think I have a bad habit of lumping it in with Evan Williams and Jim Beam, but it's light years better than those two (in my opinion).  Also, at 23$ a 750ml, it's pretty nice on the wallet too.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: coolman26 on August 16, 2017, 07:36:21 PM
Went camping over the weekend with my wife's family and they are people of simple tastes (Coors Light, Miller Light etc).. so when my brother in law goes in to town for a nip, what does he bring back but a 1/5th of Jack Daniels Black Label. 

It ain't fancy, but man it's good.  I forget how good it is because I think I look down on it as a "bottom shelf" brand, but it's not bad.  Is is single malt scotch? Of course not, but it's not trying to be.  I didn't try it neat, but it mixed really well with Diet Coke.  Strong vanilla flavor from the oak, nice and smooth.  It goes down really well, which can be dangerous.  But, in a situation like camping where I'm not driving anywhere in 3 days, pour me another one! I think I have a bad habit of lumping it in with Evan Williams and Jim Beam, but it's light years better than those two (in my opinion).  Also, at 23$ a 750ml, it's pretty nice on the wallet too.
I would agree with this. Evan is not good IMO. I'll do ET before either of those 2.


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Post by: MDixon on August 30, 2017, 04:27:29 PM
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Post by: JJeffers09 on September 01, 2017, 02:45:55 PM
MaCallan Double Cask 12 is really disappointing... I actually think its going to be a cocktail whiskey until its gone.
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Post by: barliman on September 03, 2017, 08:33:54 PM
Have any of you done the whiskey tasting at Total Wine? I am considering attending one, but I'm not sure it will be worth $20 for the ticket. 

If any of you have attended one, what bourbons did you get to taste?
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Post by: MDixon on September 12, 2017, 11:22:10 PM
I thought I was drinking Double Cask, but I haven't opened the bottle yet. It's Macallan Fine Oak 10 and I think it was 40 something.
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Post by: A-Walker on September 17, 2017, 08:59:47 AM
Went camping over the weekend with my wife's family and they are people of simple tastes (Coors Light, Miller Light etc).. so when my brother in law goes in to town for a nip, what does he bring back but a 1/5th of Jack Daniels Black Label. 

It ain't fancy, but man it's good.  I forget how good it is because I think I look down on it as a "bottom shelf" brand, but it's not bad.  Is is single malt scotch? Of course not, but it's not trying to be.  I didn't try it neat, but it mixed really well with Diet Coke.  Strong vanilla flavor from the oak, nice and smooth.  It goes down really well, which can be dangerous.  But, in a situation like camping where I'm not driving anywhere in 3 days, pour me another one! I think I have a bad habit of lumping it in with Evan Williams and Jim Beam, but it's light years better than those two (in my opinion).  Also, at 23$ a 750ml, it's pretty nice on the wallet too.

Totally agree, about Jack, and in to some extent about "bottom shelf" brands. I lived in Tokyo for a few years and my go to whisky was Santory White, which is their basic one. But it was so smooth - went down really well - didn't try to be complex or anything, just good ol' booze.
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Post by: erockrph on September 18, 2017, 10:28:20 AM
Went camping over the weekend with my wife's family and they are people of simple tastes (Coors Light, Miller Light etc).. so when my brother in law goes in to town for a nip, what does he bring back but a 1/5th of Jack Daniels Black Label. 

It ain't fancy, but man it's good.  I forget how good it is because I think I look down on it as a "bottom shelf" brand, but it's not bad.  Is is single malt scotch? Of course not, but it's not trying to be.  I didn't try it neat, but it mixed really well with Diet Coke.  Strong vanilla flavor from the oak, nice and smooth.  It goes down really well, which can be dangerous.  But, in a situation like camping where I'm not driving anywhere in 3 days, pour me another one! I think I have a bad habit of lumping it in with Evan Williams and Jim Beam, but it's light years better than those two (in my opinion).  Also, at 23$ a 750ml, it's pretty nice on the wallet too.

I like to think of JD and Jim Beam as "middle shelf". They're passable for a shot, and are great mixers. There's a reason it's called "Jack and Coke" and not just "Whiskey and Coke". I always have a bottle of one (or both) on hand.
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Post by: A-Walker on September 19, 2017, 11:04:29 AM
Btw, what do you guys think about carrying whisky in a flask? Does it work, or hurts the flavor? And also, like would you say it's fine for bottom or middle shelf but a shame for top? I have a couple of flasks, one is made of stainless steel, the other one a classier, pewter flask - is there a difference between the two types as far as friendliness for whisky, material wise? This is half personal half professional curiosity... I have this site called Flaskaholic - http://www.flaskaholic.com/ (http://www.flaskaholic.com/) - obviously about hip flasks for men and women, and I want to be able to give practical information, like in this case, whether it's ok to carry different types of liquor and for how long. Thanks!
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Post by: MDixon on September 19, 2017, 12:16:05 PM
It simply cannot hurt the flavor unless you keep it in there partially filled for a long time. Seems like a good idea to me when you don't want to carry the full bottle somewhere. It should still be poured in a glass for consumption unless you are mixing with something.
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Post by: tumarkin on September 20, 2017, 12:43:49 AM
I use a stainless steel flask for single malt with no problem (though I usually don't leave it in there for long).

I'd personally not want to use a pewter flask. Pewter is a mix of tin and several other metals, such as copper or antimony, but can include lead - though today that is most common in low grade pewter. These other metals are used to harden the tin. Although lead isn't used as much here, I'd guess it'd be more common in China. And I'd also guess many (most?) inexpensive flasks would be of Chinese origin. Obviously your call, but I'd stick to stainless steel myself.
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Post by: A-Walker on September 25, 2017, 03:52:13 AM
It simply cannot hurt the flavor unless you keep it in there partially filled for a long time. Seems like a good idea to me when you don't want to carry the full bottle somewhere. It should still be poured in a glass for consumption unless you are mixing with something.

Cheers - good point on the "partially filled"!
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Post by: A-Walker on September 25, 2017, 03:56:51 AM
I use a stainless steel flask for single malt with no problem (though I usually don't leave it in there for long).

I'd personally not want to use a pewter flask. Pewter is a mix of tin and several other metals, such as copper or antimony, but can include lead - though today that is most common in low grade pewter. These other metals are used to harden the tin. Although lead isn't used as much here, I'd guess it'd be more common in China. And I'd also guess many (most?) inexpensive flasks would be of Chinese origin. Obviously your call, but I'd stick to stainless steel myself.

Yes, most definitely many most inexpensive hip flasks are made in China. There are of course the high end manufacturers, in the US and UK, that are making stuff you can count on, but the vast majority, as any other vast majority is Made in China.

Thanks for the intel regarding the pewter - ironic, the classier, more pricey one is less effective in its single purpose - containing liquor.
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Post by: ethinson on September 26, 2017, 11:55:09 AM
I like to think of JD and Jim Beam as "middle shelf". They're passable for a shot, and are great mixers. There's a reason it's called "Jack and Coke" and not just "Whiskey and Coke". I always have a bottle of one (or both) on hand.

We got a bottle of Jack last time we were at the store, and I tried some on it's own and yes, it's not bad, but it's much better mixed, which is fine.  That's what we got it for. 

I use a stainless steel flask for single malt with no problem (though I usually don't leave it in there for long).

I'd personally not want to use a pewter flask. Pewter is a mix of tin and several other metals, such as copper or antimony, but can include lead - though today that is most common in low grade pewter. These other metals are used to harden the tin. Although lead isn't used as much here, I'd guess it'd be more common in China. And I'd also guess many (most?) inexpensive flasks would be of Chinese origin. Obviously your call, but I'd stick to stainless steel myself.

Yes, most definitely many most inexpensive hip flasks are made in China. There are of course the high end manufacturers, in the US and UK, that are making stuff you can count on, but the vast majority, as any other vast majority is Made in China.

Thanks for the intel regarding the pewter - ironic, the classier, more pricey one is less effective in its single purpose - containing liquor.

I would certainly stick with Stainless for any food contact surface if you can.  Just out of curiosity, was the pewter one more expensive because it was old, perhaps antique and collectible or was it new? I can't imagine why the pewter one would be more expensive unless it was very small batch and highly decorated (carved/molded vs just flat). 

If my wife and I take a flask somewhere it usually means we're outdoors somewhere like a hike or campground or corn maze/festival etc.  Typically we'll bring something with enough flavor to drink straight from the flask which also tends to end up being something cheaper.  Fireball and Evan Williams Cherry are a couple flask go-to's. 
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Post by: MDixon on October 09, 2017, 05:00:31 PM
Finished off the Kirkland Signature Aged 16 Years Highland Single Malt Scotch Whisky Aged in Bourbon Casks this weekend. IIRC it rang in at about $48 and while it was tasty, it was not complex enough to keep me interested. I'd much rather have a Monkey Shoulder at a sub $30 price tag, or a handle of their 12 year blended for $38 with more than double the volume.
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Post by: ethinson on October 09, 2017, 08:07:28 PM
Finished off the Kirkland Signature Aged 16 Years Highland Single Malt Scotch Whisky Aged in Bourbon Casks this weekend. IIRC it rang in at about $48 and while it was tasty, it was not complex enough to keep me interested. I'd much rather have a Monkey Shoulder at a sub $30 price tag, or a handle of their 12 year blended for $38 with more than double the volume.

I've been interested to try some of the Kirkland stuff.  It looked pretty interesting.  Costco here in Oregon doesn't sell hard liquor, but just across the river in Washington they do.  They had a bottle of some ridiculous single malt (30 year?) in a glass case for 300+ dollars.  Thankfully the other stuff wasn't as spendy.
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Post by: MDixon on October 10, 2017, 01:10:48 AM
Finishing up a fifth of The Macallan Fine Oak 10 Year. It is quite restrained, but nicely complex. With a $45 price point it wasn't overpriced and was actually quite nice, but I wouldn't suggest having it with food or after another beverage/spirit.
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Post by: MDixon on November 04, 2017, 04:14:17 PM
Opened Wild Turkey Rye last night. Not feeling it yet, a bit medicinal. Let's see if it grows on me.
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Post by: mchrispen on November 05, 2017, 12:14:08 AM
The Macallan is solid. And you are right - feels like a value price. I have paid more for meh.

I am surprised by the delta between so many Ryes given most are from Indiana. Has to be recipe difference given extremes of sweetness. Haven’t had the WT Rye, but blown away by Bulleit’s Rye. Been a long time Dickel fan, but cannot drink their Rye (similar recipe as I recall). Has me wondering about barreling technique.


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Post by: ethinson on November 06, 2017, 04:50:26 PM
The Macallan is solid. And you are right - feels like a value price. I have paid more for meh.

I am surprised by the delta between so many Ryes given most are from Indiana. Has to be recipe difference given extremes of sweetness. Haven’t had the WT Rye, but blown away by Bulleit’s Rye. Been a long time Dickel fan, but cannot drink their Rye (similar recipe as I recall). Has me wondering about barreling technique.


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I'm a big fan of Bulleit Rye as well.  Trying that one is what made me want to try other rye whiskeys.  McMenamins just released a rye version of their Billy Whiskey but I haven't had a chance to try it. 

Next week I'm going to a McMenamins hosted whiskey tasting event that includes about 20 different whiskeys from the US, Ireland, Scotland and Japan.  Including a special McMenamins only Woodford Reserve Cosmic Selection.  I'm interested to try that.  Not sure if it's a blend or a single barrel, but I've noticed a lot of special custom blends and single barrel things lately. 

Last month when we were at Disneyland we got drinks at the swanky cocktail bar at Grand Californian and they had a special Knob Creek Single Barrel Disneyland Select.  It was amazing. Sweet caramel, oaky vanilla and just a hint of smoke.  It was very nice.  I would assume you can only get it at Disneyland (or perhaps some other Disney properties, such as the cruise ship).
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Post by: jeffy on November 06, 2017, 10:08:03 PM
We had some nice whiskies at McMennamins - gin as well.
I have an Irish Whisky advent calendar this year with a dram a day for 25 days.  I hope we can keep up.
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Post by: brick pig on November 16, 2017, 04:06:40 PM
Breaking out of my usual lurker mode to recommend a recent discovery I made at Total Wine: Oregon Spirit Wheat Whiskey. Bought it on a whim just because I'd never seen or heard of it. I'm generally a bourbon guy, but this very well may become my "house" whiskey going forward. Easily among the best I've had in its price range (~$40).
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Post by: ethinson on November 17, 2017, 10:03:19 PM
Breaking out of my usual lurker mode to recommend a recent discovery I made at Total Wine: Oregon Spirit Wheat Whiskey. Bought it on a whim just because I'd never seen or heard of it. I'm generally a bourbon guy, but this very well may become my "house" whiskey going forward. Easily among the best I've had in its price range (~$40).

I don't know if I've had that one, but another good wheat whiskey is Dry Fly out of Washington State.  I had that one at the Spring Beer and Wine Fest and then went out to get a bottle. 

The Backstage Pass to Whiskey last night at McMenamins was bonkers.  Really impressive list.  It was super crowded but I got to taste some really interesting stuff that I otherwise wouldn't be able to afford.  There was a really nice Jameson Select Reserve Black Barrel, 12 and 18 year Yamazaki from Japan, a large list of Bourbons and Ryes, the highlight of the night was probably the Bookers 25th Anniversary.  I figured it was rare, with the gold wax and the two token cost, but I didn't realize how rare until I looked it up this morning.  In my whiskey haze last night I mistook 25th Anniversary for 25 years old.  Apparently the 25th Anniversary was a limited release in 2014.  It appears the retail on it was 109$, which isn't bad, but the only website I can find with an actually bottle (rather than just a page that says Out of Stock or Unavailable) is wine-searcher.com and it's 750-999$.  Ridiculous. 
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Post by: Joe Sr. on December 05, 2017, 08:52:33 PM
I've been enjoying Henry McKenna bottled in bond lately.  Damn good and at $32 it may replace some of my preferred bottles (I'm looking at you Wathen's) which have crept up in price over the years.  At 100 proof, it's very smooth and not hot.
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Post by: HoosierBrew on December 05, 2017, 10:20:02 PM
I've been enjoying Henry McKenna bottled in bond lately.  Damn good and at $32 it may replace some of my preferred bottles (I'm looking at you Wathen's) which have crept up in price over the years.  At 100 proof, it's very smooth and not hot.



I'll be looking to pick some up, Joe. Sounds like a good value for roughly Knob Creek money. Thanks.
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Post by: Joe Sr. on December 05, 2017, 10:44:19 PM
I've been enjoying Henry McKenna bottled in bond lately.  Damn good and at $32 it may replace some of my preferred bottles (I'm looking at you Wathen's) which have crept up in price over the years.  At 100 proof, it's very smooth and not hot.



I'll be looking to pick some up, Joe. Sounds like a good value for roughly Knob Creek money. Thanks.

Let me know what you think. 

I've been going through bourbon pretty quickly lately, particularly with friends coming by over Thanksgiving, and I've defaulted to the handle-sized Bulliet.  It's good stuff, not my favorite, but at $42 for 1.75L on sale it's a damn bargain.
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Post by: HoosierBrew on December 05, 2017, 10:57:21 PM
I've been enjoying Henry McKenna bottled in bond lately.  Damn good and at $32 it may replace some of my preferred bottles (I'm looking at you Wathen's) which have crept up in price over the years.  At 100 proof, it's very smooth and not hot.



I'll be looking to pick some up, Joe. Sounds like a good value for roughly Knob Creek money. Thanks.

Let me know what you think. 

I've been going through bourbon pretty quickly lately, particularly with friends coming by over Thanksgiving, and I've defaulted to the handle-sized Bulliet.  It's good stuff, not my favorite, but at $42 for 1.75L on sale it's a damn bargain.


Will do. The handle of Bulleit is a great value also.
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Post by: MDixon on December 06, 2017, 12:48:06 AM
Finished off a bottle of Stagg Jr. this past weekend. While delicious the alcohol is just a bit off putting to me. Of course if I run into another bottle I will buy it. ;)
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Post by: tumarkin on December 06, 2017, 01:31:12 AM
Just read that Diageo is going to 'unshutter' the Brora, Port Ellen, and Rosebank distilleries. Incredible whiskies all, but unfortunately even their new production is likely to be very, very expensive (although the Rosebank is possibly more likely to be somewhat affordable).
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Post by: ethinson on December 06, 2017, 01:08:38 PM
I picked up a bottle of Trader Joe's Rye Bourbon over the weekend.  I knew about TJ's wine and beer, but didn't know they did liquor since they can't sell it in Oregon.  Found it at a TJs across the border up in Washington where they do sell liquor in grocery stores.  It's usually more expensive than in Oregon, but it is pretty impressive to walk out of Costco with a 3L bottle of Grey Goose.. and boutique stuff like the trader joes or kirkland brands don't make it into the Oregon OLCC stores. 

This whiskey has a very nice rye kick.  The spice almost reminds me of cinnamon, which the only other thing I've had like that was High West Double Rye.  I like it on it's own but it also holds up well to mixing.  Made an old fashioned with it last night for Repeal Day and the whiskey still was apparent, while other whiskies get lost behind the bitters and sugar water. 

It's $19.99 (23 after WA tax) and it comes from a private label distributor in Minnesota so I have no idea who makes it.  The label says it's 70% Corn and 30% Rye, so no Malt (barley) at all and it's 42% (84prf).  When I tried to google it I found out their "Kentucky Straight Bourbon" was made by Sazarec/Buffalo Trace, but that's a different product, so not sure if this one is the same.  Like most Trader Joe's products, someone had some excess inventory (or a couple barrels that didn't match their flavor profile) and off loaded it at a discount.  It may be a one off that doesn't happen again.
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Post by: MDixon on December 06, 2017, 02:28:37 PM
I saw a few places online it is distilled at Barton 1792 which is Buffalo Trace. Now I want it.
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Post by: Joe Sr. on December 07, 2017, 01:35:00 AM
I generally avoid trader joes but maybe a trip is in order.


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Post by: ethinson on December 07, 2017, 12:59:26 PM
I saw a few places online it is distilled at Barton 1792 which is Buffalo Trace. Now I want it.

I like everything I've had from the Buffalo Trace line.  I haven't had any of the high end stuff like Pappy or GTS, but Eagle Rare, E.H. Taylor, Buffalo Trace, Blantons and Elmer T Lee have all been good.
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Post by: MDixon on December 11, 2017, 12:39:45 AM
Finishing the bottle on The Macallan Double Cask 12 Year tonight. I really enjoyed this one. I think it was $63 and had a nice complexity and flavor. If it were a tad less expensive it would have been even better because I think at $30 I enjoy Monkey Shoulder twice as much. ;)
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Post by: MDixon on December 17, 2017, 02:08:23 PM
Wild Turkey Rye is about as boring as you can get. Mixes well, but I won't buy it again.
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Post by: Joe Sr. on December 17, 2017, 05:49:46 PM
I was in a small boutique-type store on Friday and they had not only a bottle of Sazerac rye but also some Weller Antique.  I know I over-paid by $5 - $8 per bottle (based on the other bottle prices they had) but I haven't found either of these anywhere in something near a year.  Poured a small glass of the Weller last night and was underwhelmed at this price point (one bottle was $32 and one $38, not sure which).  I remember buying the Antique for around $20 or maybe slightly under.  A great deal at that price point, but around here you can't find anything Weller for anything reasonable.  Even VOB is allocated these days.

Also had a couple glasses of Town Branch at a party on Friday.  I would not buy this whiskey and would probably turn it down if offered.  I did not enjoy it.  Something weird in the finish.  IMO, at lot of the smaller craft distilleries are turning out stuff with a similar weird finish.  Maybe the whiskey is too young?  I don't know.
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Post by: jeffy on December 17, 2017, 07:55:21 PM
I was in a small boutique-type store on Friday and they had not only a bottle of Sazerac rye but also some Weller Antique.  I know I over-paid by $5 - $8 per bottle (based on the other bottle prices they had) but I haven't found either of these anywhere in something near a year.  Poured a small glass of the Weller last night and was underwhelmed at this price point (one bottle was $32 and one $38, not sure which).  I remember buying the Antique for around $20 or maybe slightly under.  A great deal at that price point, but around here you can't find anything Weller for anything reasonable.  Even VOB is allocated these days.

Also had a couple glasses of Town Branch at a party on Friday.  I would not buy this whiskey and would probably turn it down if offered.  I did not enjoy it.  Something weird in the finish.  IMO, at lot of the smaller craft distilleries are turning out stuff with a similar weird finish.  Maybe the whiskey is too young?  I don't know.
I am not a big fan of Sazerac rye, too hot for me.  We just spent the weekend in NOLA and had Sazeracs at the original bar at the Roosevelt hotel.  The presentation and atmosphere were nice, but I think I make a better one at home.  I did pick up a bottle of Herbsaint to bring back though and I like it better than the absinthe we have.  I bought a bottle of Crown Royal Northern Harvest Rye yesterday and will try it out with the Herbsaint later.
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Post by: Joe Sr. on December 18, 2017, 01:53:06 AM
Huh.  I love Sazerac and prefer it on ice rather than mixed.  I'll look for the heat with this bottle.

Since you mentioned Crown Royal, I've been thinking about checking out some Canadian whiskeys with the assumption that their prices haven't gone crazy.  Anyone got Canadian whiskey recommendations?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on December 20, 2017, 12:55:38 AM
Finishing up a fifth of Kirkland Signature 27 Year Blended Scotch. I think it was about $55 and to me it was a bit hot and the flavors are muted to the point I find it long in the tooth. I don't think at half the price I would love it, so I'm going to suggest you pass on it.
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Post by: HoosierBrew on December 20, 2017, 01:11:47 AM
the flavors are muted to the point I find it long in the tooth.


I guess I'm not the only one. I find several of the expensive, older Scotches highly smooth but sometimes at the expense of flavor. Many of my favorite Scotches are in the 12 year (even 10 year) range - obviously a tad hotter than a 15+ but also more intense and enjoyable in flavor to me. I like a very light dose of water in those to open them up anyway.
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Post by: kmccaf on December 20, 2017, 02:58:25 AM
Huh.  I love Sazerac and prefer it on ice rather than mixed.  I'll look for the heat with this bottle.

Since you mentioned Crown Royal, I've been thinking about checking out some Canadian whiskeys with the assumption that their prices haven't gone crazy.  Anyone got Canadian whiskey recommendations?

Collingwood. I had a rye they made a few years ago that was maybe the best whiskey I've ever had. Super silly looking bottle. It's been awhile since I've had their standard, but I recall it being quite good as well.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Robert on December 23, 2017, 03:13:28 AM
Finishing the bottle on The Macallan Double Cask 12 Year tonight. I really enjoyed this one. I think it was $63 and had a nice complexity and flavor. If it were a tad less expensive it would have been even better because I think at $30 I enjoy Monkey Shoulder twice as much. ;)
Thanks for the tip.  I'm not particularly well schooled in whisky; had seen Monkey Shoulder at the store but never would have tried it otherwise.  Indeed nice for the price.  A tad bit "hot" to my palate, but I've had far more disappointing domestic products at the price ($33 here.)
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Post by: erockrph on December 24, 2017, 07:28:37 AM
the flavors are muted to the point I find it long in the tooth.

I guess I'm not the only one. I find several of the expensive, older Scotches highly smooth but sometimes at the expense of flavor. Many of my favorite Scotches are in the 12 year (even 10 year) range - obviously a tad hotter than a 15+ but also more intense and enjoyable in flavor to me. I like a very light dose of water in those to open them up anyway.

I definitely find this to be true with most blended and Highland scotches; i.e., ones that start on the mellow side to begin with. Johnny Blue and Chivas Royal Salute are my classic examples of this. They are great, easy-drinking whiskies without a doubt, but they've lost all their edge. If I wanted a milder whiskey, I'd be drinking a bourbon instead of Scotch.

Islay malts are a different animal, though. They start off peaty, salty, and smoky when young, and they still carry through a lot of that character well into their old age. As some of the strong flavors start to mellow with time, the complexity really starts to increase. Laphroaig 30 year is the best glass of any spirit I've ever had, bar none. It was till unmistakeably Islay in character, but the peaty/smokiness had mellowed out and you could pick out more nuances in flavor and aroma.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 24, 2017, 08:50:05 PM
Picked up some George dickel rye yesterday. Haven't sampled it neat but it was delicious in a Manhattan. With a stogie. By the fire pit. Watching Green Bay lose.

All things were good last night
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Robert on December 26, 2017, 03:49:29 AM
Picked up some George dickel rye yesterday. Haven't sampled it neat but it was delicious in a Manhattan. With a stogie. By the fire pit. Watching Green Bay lose.

All things were good last night
I'd  appreciate a quick update when you've tried it neat.  I think I recall I've enjoyed this one.  I'm looking to pick up a rye this week and could use a memory refresher.  I do recall the price was easy.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on December 26, 2017, 04:44:40 AM
Not digging it neat. A bit hot. A bit rough. I'm heading back for bitters and vermouth.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Robert on December 26, 2017, 06:24:40 AM
Not digging it neat. A bit hot. A bit rough. I'm heading back for bitters and vermouth.
Thanks.  I'll probably look to something Canadian -- I know you've inquired about these on this board -- I'll try to report back.
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Post by: JJeffers09 on December 28, 2017, 08:38:11 PM
So I got a charred barrel for Xmas and I am thinking if starting with an American bourbon cocktail with a twist. Anyone else playing around with some cocktails in these little barrels? Negroni , Manhattan, old fashions, or boulevardier have all been up for consideration but first will be:

A cocktail that I am dubbing the -
Bobby Boucher
3-750s Bourbon or Rye
1-750 Carpano antica
5 oz Indy Honey
.5 oz peychauds
.5 oz luxardo syrup
Aged for 2 weeks then served over rocks with luxardo cherry and an orange twist



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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Ale Farmer on December 29, 2017, 02:29:19 AM
Had some Talisker on Christmas for the first time in at least 5 years and--unlike other things from my past--it was still as wonderful as I remember it: great balance of peat, honey, etc. I know this is saying what many others have long said, but, damn, it sure is gratifying to be able to rely on some things....
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 29, 2017, 02:36:29 AM
Had some Talisker on Christmas for the first time in at least 5 years and--unlike other things from my past--it was still as wonderful as I remember it: great balance of peat, honey, etc. I know this is saying what many others have long said, but, damn, it sure is gratifying to be able to rely on some things....


Love that stuff, too.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: erockrph on January 08, 2018, 12:43:48 PM
Had some Talisker on Christmas for the first time in at least 5 years and--unlike other things from my past--it was still as wonderful as I remember it: great balance of peat, honey, etc. I know this is saying what many others have long said, but, damn, it sure is gratifying to be able to rely on some things....

Love that stuff, too.
Talisker and Scapa are often overlooked because they technically aren't Islay distilleries, but they both fall into that peaty, island-distillery category. They are both fantastic, Talisker is very similar to the coastal Islay malts like Laphroiag and Scapa is in the ballpark of the interior Islay distilleries like Bowmore and Bruichladdich.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 20, 2018, 03:24:38 AM
Finished off a bottle of The Irishman Founder's Reserve on St. Paddy's Day. I found myself going to it quite often as it was smooth with a nice sweetness. Gotta see if I can find it on sale again.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on March 20, 2018, 12:07:29 PM
Finished off a bottle of The Irishman Founder's Reserve on St. Paddy's Day. I found myself going to it quite often as it was smooth with a nice sweetness. Gotta see if I can find it on sale again.

I'll have to give that a try.  I really like Irish whiskey and that's a great price point.

I had a nice pour of Woodford Reserve Rye on Saturday.   Didn't have any Irish but figured I could at least have whiskey.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 20, 2018, 12:59:11 PM
I believe this was on sale for $25.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on March 20, 2018, 10:21:35 PM
I believe this was on sale for $25.

That's what OLCC has it listed for.  I love that you can search OLCC's data base to see what they have in stock and what the price is.  The prices are the same in every store in town and if a certain store doesn't have something but it's in the inventory they can order it for you.  From what I've heard a store can request as low as one bottle (doesn't have to by cases).
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 21, 2018, 12:21:44 AM
Finished off another one, Old Forester Single Barrel bottled for Augusta Liquors 2016. This one was quite tasty, but a tad bit hot for 90 proof. I found it was best with a cube or a splash unless it was your second or third glass of the night.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 22, 2018, 12:25:48 AM
Finished off the bottle of Old Forester Signature 100 Proof tonight. It had a nice complexity for a $25 fifth and the alcohol was nicely restrained as well. There are other Bourbons I like more, but the price on this one is right!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: heavydeadlifts01 on March 22, 2018, 09:38:52 AM
I have become an Eagle Rare 10yr lover as of lately, perfect balance of oak and malt complexity, not hot, goes down smooth neat, and not super expensive.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on March 22, 2018, 11:57:57 AM
Finished off the bottle of Old Forester Signature 100 Proof tonight. It had a nice complexity for a $25 fifth and the alcohol was nicely restrained as well. There are other Bourbons I like more, but the price on this one is right!

I can't remember what Old Forester expression I had a while back (could probably search the posts on here) but I did enjoy it.  I got it to try because those were the barrels we were using to barrel age some beer, so I was interested in the base spirit.  I think I just got whatever the lowest one is, the classic 86 proof.  It was OK neat, but I probably ended up mixing it.  The single barrel and the birthday bourbon both look interesting but are more expensive.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on March 22, 2018, 12:13:35 PM
Birthday is really tasty, but a PITA to find. I have only had it at a bar or restaurant. My favorite from them is the 1870. The recently released Stateman is ok, but not worth the price of admission.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: yso191 on March 22, 2018, 02:16:59 PM
I tried a new whiskey and I really like it!  Rogue Spirits, Dead Guy Whiskey.  They say it is distilled from the same malts as the Dead Guy Ale their brewery puts out.  Aged at least 2 years. 80 proof.

From the card hung on the bottle: "Double gold at San Francisco World Spirits Competition.  Masters medal at the American Whiskey Masters.  More than 45 medals in total."

I found it quite complex for the price point... as I recall somewhere in the $30-40 range.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on March 22, 2018, 08:53:17 PM
I tried a new whiskey and I really like it!  Rogue Spirits, Dead Guy Whiskey.  They say it is distilled from the same malts as the Dead Guy Ale their brewery puts out.  Aged at least 2 years. 80 proof.

From the card hung on the bottle: "Double gold at San Francisco World Spirits Competition.  Masters medal at the American Whiskey Masters.  More than 45 medals in total."

I found it quite complex for the price point... as I recall somewhere in the $30-40 range.

I haven't had Rogue whiskey in a while, I should try it again.  They are moving away from vodka based spirits (flavored vodkas and gins) and getting more into whiskey.  They just released an Oregon Single Malt which I assume is made with Oregon grown grain (they grow a lot of their own stuff). 

One of the things that impresses me the most about Rogue is they have a cooperage and they make their own barrels.  The Rolling Thunder Imperial Stout that they release ever year is aged in barrels they made which held their own whiskey... pretty cool to keep it all in house.

The beer side could use some work (in my opinion) but they are doing really adventurous stuff on the distilling side.

I don't remember if it was the dead guy whiskey that sparked it or something else, but as I got into homebrewing and working in the beer industry it dawned at me at one point that Whiskey is distilled beer.  All the main grains in whiskey (wheat, barley malt, rye) are often used in beer.  The mash to extract the sugar is pretty much the same, just no hops (although some people now do make hopped spirits). McMenamins makes their whiskey wash in the brewery and then carts it over to the distillery.  No need for two mash tuns.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Robert on March 22, 2018, 10:05:11 PM
Whiskey is distilled beer!  That's how it originated.  Crusaders learned how the Arabs were distilling date wine and palm wine to make araq,  and went back to Europe and distilled what they were already making at home: wine  and cider in France, and ale in Ireland (Scotland picked it up later.)  At some point the Irish dispensed with boiling with gruit or other flavorings as for ale, and just fermented and distilled the mash.
 Related:  Local microdistillery (connected to LHBS) makes a whisky (-ey?) from Maris Otter and Melanoidin, fermented with Abbey ale yeast, aged on charred American oak.  Yum.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: tumarkin on March 23, 2018, 12:11:54 AM
yes, the 'wash' from which whisky is distilled is (wait for it)...... beer. the way I like to look at it is whisky is beer that got too close to the fire.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Robert on March 23, 2018, 12:15:40 AM
And by the fire is a fine place to be with a whisk(e)y.  It all comes together.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Phil_M on March 23, 2018, 12:27:12 AM
What's really investing to me is that the wash is basically wild yeast run amok...or it least that's the impression I got from my tour of Copper Fox in Sperryville, VA.

Regardless of it I understood that right or not, "sour mash" whiskeys/bourbons are long-running yeast cakes, in a way...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Robert on March 23, 2018, 01:01:23 AM
I may have misunderstood, or there may be variations, but:  I understand the portion of sour mash to be, just as in German brewing (except for its being carried forward), a pH control for the mash (added at the beginning of mashing,) which may then be fermented by a house culture yeast (some like Jack Daniel's call it jug yeast) which may in turn be recultured and  repitched.  So multiple levels of throughput.  I don't suppose you'll get the full story on anybody's tour! (Well, I've learned the secrets at the local guys, but they aren't too worried about espionage at their scale!)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Phil_M on March 23, 2018, 04:38:05 PM
That may be. To further clarify my "impression", sour mash is a portion of one mash that's allowed to continue and act as the "starter" on the next. Copper Fox fermented everything together, the grain is in there.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Robert on March 23, 2018, 05:01:12 PM
I think it's most traditional to both ferment the whole mash and put the whole mash into the still.  Micros tend to separate the wort and ferment and distill that, probably because they use mash tuns and fermenters made for brewing.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 01, 2018, 11:43:22 PM
Yet another bottle bit the dust. Kirkland Signature 18 Year Speyside Single Malt was the bottle I drained tonight. Aged in Bourbon barrels and finished for 6 months in Sherry barrels. Quite tasty and not ridiculously expensive at $55 or so a bottle, but just like Bourbon I found the flavor a little muted.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 10, 2018, 12:01:11 AM
Received a free airplane bottle of Bushmills Red Bush Irish Whiskey with another purchase. This one is not worth your money at the price I paid. Skip it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: yso191 on April 10, 2018, 07:08:25 PM
My two favorite inexpensive whiskeys are Costco 12 year Scotch, and Wild Turkey 101.  How about you guys?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 10, 2018, 10:27:05 PM
Costco 12 year half gallon and Buffalo Trace half gallon and I could get by for awhile... ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on April 11, 2018, 10:54:31 AM
Received a free airplane bottle of Bushmills Red Bush Irish Whiskey with another purchase. This one is not worth your money at the price I paid. Skip it.

That's a shame since the black bush is quite nice.  Bushmills 16 is pretty close to the top of my all time list, although it's out of my price range.

Had  some Canadian Club last night since I'm here in Canada.  It was ok.  First sip was pretty sweet (a common theme I'm noticing with Canadian whiskey) after that it smoothed out.  Decent sipper, likely more geared towards mixing.  I assume it was the standard Premium/6 year expression.  It was one of the cheaper things on the menu.

I plan on bringing a bottle of something home, but havent decided on what yet. 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: yso191 on April 11, 2018, 04:00:51 PM
I just tried a new one: Grand Old Parr 12.  I enjoyed it.  The right amount of smoke for me, I thought it was at the same intensity as the other flavors: cinnamon, oak, & a touch of clove.  Very smooth.  Caramel finish.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 12, 2018, 12:37:39 AM

That's a shame since the black bush is quite nice. 

I agree, Black Bush is quite nice with an great sherry note.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: coolman26 on April 17, 2018, 05:58:57 PM
I just bought a bottle of Henry McKenna. Really impressed for a 10yr at a sub $40 price point. Have to say it may be my favorite mid shelf. I wasn’t surprised seeing I like ECraig. Heaven Hill produces some fantastic product.


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Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 17, 2018, 06:09:32 PM
I just bought a bottle of Henry McKenna. Really impressed for a 10yr at a sub $40 price point. Have to say it may be my favorite mid shelf. I wasn’t surprised seeing I like ECraig. Heaven Hill produces some fantastic product.


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I love their Bottled in Bond.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 25, 2018, 01:23:34 AM
Had some Kelsey Creek bourbon at a fundraiser on Saturday.  Was not impressed.  Hot, alcoholic.  Got better as the ice melted and was OK in a Manhattan, but did not keep me coming back for more.

I understand from a little research that it is a Buffalo Trace product.  Didn't excite me.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 25, 2018, 02:45:08 AM
That's one I haven't seen.
https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=14286001000217
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on April 25, 2018, 11:47:45 AM
That's one I haven't seen.
https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=14286001000217

I should have known that stuff had to be public record but never knew you could search for it.  I find it interesting that one uses another name "Old Tine Distilling".  Similar to how Blue Moon beer is listed as the "Blue Moon Brewing Company" and not "Miller Coors". 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on April 25, 2018, 03:03:44 PM
Cool.  I didn't know you could see that.

Anyway, I don't think I had a single barrel, but maybe?  They were pouring from 1.75L handles.  I assumed it was bottom shelf next to the Evan Williams.  Or Benchmark 8.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on April 25, 2018, 11:55:22 PM
Having some Mellow Corn Bottle In Bond. A tad bit hot and almost no complexity. Can't expect much for only a few bucks (rhyme intentional).
https://heavenhill.com/brand/25
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: tumarkin on May 03, 2018, 05:00:48 PM
Was over at a friend's house a few weeks ago and tried an interesting whiskey.... Basil Hayden Dark Rye. It's a mix of blended Canadian and American rye whiskeys, combined with port.

Yes, combined with port ..... not aged in port barrel. This gives it some prominent fruity notes and definitely a sweeter finish than I usually like in whiskey. It’s moderately spicy, rich, huge mouthfeel, somewhat sweet, especially in the finish (but not cloyingly so).

Found a bottle at the ABC yesterday, and tried it again last night. I'm really looking forward to getting into it this weekend. Moderately priced ($41), a good sipping whiskey - though I'm sure it'd be great in cocktails as well. I had some neat first and then with a single ice-cube, which really opened it up and released the beautiful, spicy rye character.

Looking at some online reviews, it gets mixed reviews – some fans of traditional rye whiskies think it’s heresy, while others love it. Many question why they chose to blend the already excellent Basil Hayden rye with Canadian rye. Others question why they added port rather than the more common practice of barrel finishing. And why at 80 proof rather than barrel strength?

While I wouldn’t mind answers to those questions, I really don’t care. Me likes it.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on May 15, 2018, 12:33:04 AM
I read some positive reviews and have seen a few bottles here and there of the Dark Rye. Of course now I have to try it. ;)

Saw a post on FB a county ABC store was having special bottles. Waited in line 3 hours and scored a Colonel EH Taylor Single Barrel. They had the Old Fitzgerald Bottled in Bond, but at $110+tx it was a little rich for my blood.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: yso191 on May 15, 2018, 02:13:31 AM
My go-to Scotch is Costco's Kirkland 12 year. So I picked up the Kirkland 27 year blended Scotch today. $52. It is quite good. Very smooth. So smooth it would be an excellent intro Scotch. Also helping that is the fact that it's 80 proof.

Honey, vanilla, apricot jam, and just a smidgen of smoke. In a word: elegant.

It will be a favorite, but not in the 'Blow me away' category.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on May 15, 2018, 01:10:40 PM
The issue I saw with it was the price point and a lack of complexity. I think in my neck of the woods it was closer to $60.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on May 26, 2018, 12:23:21 AM
Drained the Beam I've had in my barrel last night.  Damn was it tasty.  Nice and oaky but not overpowering.  A lot like Knob Creek but more oak.

I had 7 handles in the barrel for about eight to ten months.  Close to 5 handles came out. 

I've got a stout in the barrel now, and a lot of Beam.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 11, 2018, 12:09:18 PM
So I met someone who should know about Bourbon and they suggested I try Virgin Bourbon. They had sampled it in a blind tasting and were surprised at how good it actually was. I broke down and spent $13 on a fifth. Guess what, I was surprised at how good it actually was. Get some, in fact get two, or five, it's cheap!
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 11, 2018, 03:22:18 PM
I was at Binny's on Friday and saw there is now an Old Overholt Bottled in Bond rye.

I couldn't bring myself to spring the extra $10 for it, when the guy at the store was ambivalent and said it was good for mixing. 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 11, 2018, 04:02:14 PM
By chance I just bought of fifth of the BIB Old Overholt. I didn't save the receipt, I think it was $25. In our stores the standard is $23.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 11, 2018, 04:11:13 PM
$17.99 and $27.99 here in Chicago.

There are a lot of great ryes in the $27 - $30 range.

Report back when you've tried it.  I was intrigued, but the salesman didn't sell me.  Quite the opposite.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 11, 2018, 04:17:07 PM
Standard goes on sale in August for $20. I may wait until it hits sale to grab one. If I open the BIB I'll post my thoughts.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on June 11, 2018, 04:35:12 PM
This is just for Oregon, so apologies for being very narrow, but if you find yourself in the area it might be worth trying.

Double Mountain Brewing out of Hood River, OR teamed up with Hood River Distillers to make a hopped whiskey.  It's 100% Corn whiskey with Cascade and Apollo hops.  It's incredibly smooth and super citrusy.  I tried it at their Portland Taproom with the pale ale beer back (which they recommended) and the beer took away most of the harshness (what little there was) of the whiskey and just accented the sweet citrusy notes of the whiskey. 

They aren't the first ones around here to do a hopped whiskey, but it turned out really well.  They have it labeled at batch #001, so I hope that means they'll do it again, maybe with a different hop blend. 

Here's the info from HRD - http://hrdspirits.com/the-brands/double-mountain-hopped-whiskey/ (http://hrdspirits.com/the-brands/double-mountain-hopped-whiskey/)

41% ABV (82 proof) and $22.95/750ml according to OLCC.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 11, 2018, 05:15:06 PM
Thanks for volunteering to bring a bottle to Portland later this month for us all to try. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: jeffy on June 11, 2018, 07:50:06 PM
Thanks for volunteering to bring a bottle to Portland later this month for us all to try. ;)
We used to have whiskey tastings at NHC, with Jeff Renner, Mark Tumarkin, Bev Blackwood, some others.  Fun, but dangerous times.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 11, 2018, 11:11:10 PM
In Orlando it was a seminar. ;)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on June 12, 2018, 11:57:47 AM
Thanks for volunteering to bring a bottle to Portland later this month for us all to try. ;)

Sadly I won't be at HomebrewCon this year, but I bet the Double Mountain people will be there but maybe not with the whiskey.  Of course the one year it's local for me, my wife and I are booked up with something that was planned many years ago.  Oh well... C'est la vie.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 12, 2018, 12:08:22 PM
Just so it isn't lost. Hit the Virgin Bourbon again last night. Very impressed at how good a $13 bottle is served neat.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Robert on June 12, 2018, 12:22:56 PM
Just so it isn't lost. Hit the Virgin Bourbon again last night. Very impressed at how good a $13 bottle is served neat.
Looked into it, seems not to be available up here in Ohio.  Wonder how it compares to another surprising bargain also from Heaven Hill, Ezra Brooks?
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 12, 2018, 03:44:39 PM
I'll have to try it to know. Currently in NC Ezra Brooks 90 runs $12.

I like Old Ezra, but it is boring neat. Virgin is certainly not boring.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Robert on June 12, 2018, 05:04:45 PM
Ezra 90 is boring, I'll grant you, but drinkable neat, which is the surprise, since I can't say that about some bourbons at twice the price.  It at least offers a little sweet spice from a rye-heavy mash bill.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 12, 2018, 05:56:13 PM
I'm gonna go pick some up in a few minutes. Virgin to me tastes very similar to Four Roses SB, it is 101 proof and aged 7 years. It is much better than expected.

Edit: Ezra Brooks 90 is very boring. Nothing wrong with it, but boring.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Robert on June 13, 2018, 02:30:22 AM
I'm gonna go pick some up in a few minutes. Virgin to me tastes very similar to Four Roses SB, it is 101 proof and aged 7 years. It is much better than expected.

Edit: Ezra Brooks 90 is very boring. Nothing wrong with it, but boring.
Yep.  But  nothing wrong, at $12, is nothing lost.  I've paid way more for way worse. It's not gasoline, just no excitement and no finish. Here in OH all spirits are available only through state stores, and price varies intermittently according to beaurocratic whim.  Handles of Ezra are on sale at $23 now.  Think I'll pick up a couple, drop in #3 char oak spirals from LHBS, and have something nice for Christmas parties. Meanwhile, I hope this Virgin shows up here.  But again at the mercy of the state liquor control board.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: majorvices on June 13, 2018, 11:10:45 AM
LOL - https://finance.yahoo.com/news/aldi-whisky-named-best-world-171739485.html
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on June 13, 2018, 12:01:42 PM
Just so it isn't lost. Hit the Virgin Bourbon again last night. Very impressed at how good a $13 bottle is served neat.

Is this from the same company as Virgin Airlines/Records? Or something else. I haven't heard of this.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 13, 2018, 12:36:58 PM
No, Virgin Bourbon is Heaven Hill. I don't believe it appears on their website.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on June 13, 2018, 09:15:21 PM
No, Virgin Bourbon is Heaven Hill. I don't believe it appears on their website.

I googled it and it sure looks like a 13$ bottle... monotone green and white label, plain lettering.  Both websites I looked at said it's actually rare to find in the US anymore, the majority gets shipped out.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 13, 2018, 09:33:22 PM
No, Virgin Bourbon is Heaven Hill. I don't believe it appears on their website.

I googled it and it sure looks like a 13$ bottle... monotone green and white label, plain lettering.  Both websites I looked at said it's actually rare to find in the US anymore, the majority gets shipped out.

You can't get it in Chicago as far as I've searched since the first posting.  I'm even having a hard time finding regular old Heaven Hill...

But I may just walk over to Aldi and pick up some gold medal Scotch.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 14, 2018, 11:44:24 AM

I googled it and it sure looks like a 13$ bottle... monotone green and white label, plain lettering.  Both websites I looked at said it's actually rare to find in the US anymore, the majority gets shipped out.

It's a black label which looks atrocious. (Photo off the internet.)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2e/75/94/2e759426e8262ce85c01691778169068.jpg)
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on June 14, 2018, 11:48:05 AM
The picture on this website is so pixalated it looks green..

https://distiller.com/spirits/virgin-bourbon-7-year-101 (https://distiller.com/spirits/virgin-bourbon-7-year-101)

Ironically at least the black looks like Jim Beam or something like that...
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 14, 2018, 11:55:07 AM
Apparently it has been around a long time. There have been 15yr and 21yr releases.

I pretty much agree with this review:
https://www.connosr.com/virgin-bourbon-7-yo-whisky-review-9833
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 20, 2018, 09:51:07 PM
So our area has finally received some Blanton's and if I didn't need to finish the darn horse race I would have skipped recent purchases. The distribution has been limited and one local store only got two bottles. Today I decided to see what I could drum up and a neighboring county listed four stores with bottles and out of the three I visited I picked up two. Unfortunately one was a letter I had. Anyway, on the way back I hit a few stores in my county and found another bottle with a letter I needed. When I got home I posted the duplicate letter and then it dawned on my I have a buddy who keeps a stock. He went through and we worked out a trade of his letter for mine. Now we're off to the races.

On another note, opened up Wild Turkey Longbrach. Very smooth with a peppery cinnamon finish. I could not pick out the mesquite last night, but in all fairness we were polishing off the remnants of a Tomahawk Ribeye I grilled on mesquite charcoal so my palate wasn't in tip top shape for picking up subtle flavors. I may hit it again tonight.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: ethinson on June 22, 2018, 11:49:14 AM
I've had Blantons a couple times and really enjoyed it.  I keep saying I'm gonna buy a bottle one of these days but it's a bit spendy.. even if it's "worth it". 
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: MDixon on June 22, 2018, 12:27:02 PM
To me it is all about finishing the horse race at this point. After collecting 3 of the stoppers and seeing the supply dry up I figured why not seek out the other 5. Currently only lacking 2. If the price was $10 less it would be about right IMO.
Title: Re: Whiskey
Post by: Joe Sr. on June 22, 2018, 02:32:49 PM
If the price was $10 less it would be about right IMO.

Or maybe $15 less.  It's one of the first premium bourbons I ever bought.  Didn't know about the race at the time (mid 90s).  It's solid, but over priced for what you get.

I certainly won't turn it down, though.