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Title: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Herminator on December 21, 2013, 02:49:23 PM
So I was just recently looking at the latest issue of Zymurgy online and noticed that there was a small write up about NHC in Grand Rapids. It indicated a pre-registration over time but there is a chance of not being selected to attend.  Can anyone explain how this will work?  Also, when would one know if one is selected to attend through this lottery system?  I have never seen a conference utilize a lottery registration system.

Cheers!
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: klickitat jim on December 21, 2013, 04:17:22 PM
The competition will be by lottery. Lottery attendance at the conference is news to me.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: guido on December 21, 2013, 04:39:40 PM
So I was just recently looking at the latest issue of Zymurgy online and noticed that there was a small write up about NHC in Grand Rapids. It indicated a pre-registration over time but there is a chance of not being selected to attend.  Can anyone explain how this will work?  Also, when would one know if one is selected to attend through this lottery system?  I have never seen a conference utilize a lottery registration system.

Cheers!

Perhaps you're confused with the conference and the competition.  Hope so.  A lottery for the conference would alienate a lot of homebrewers.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: jmalex on December 21, 2013, 04:53:47 PM
Zymurgy most definitely mentioned that attendance will be done based on a lottery as well. This certainly has me worried.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: james on December 21, 2013, 04:55:05 PM
So I was just recently looking at the latest issue of Zymurgy online and noticed that there was a small write up about NHC in Grand Rapids. It indicated a pre-registration over time but there is a chance of not being selected to attend.  Can anyone explain how this will work?  Also, when would one know if one is selected to attend through this lottery system?  I have never seen a conference utilize a lottery registration system.

Cheers!

Perhaps you're confused with the conference and the competition.  Hope so.  A lottery for the conference would alienate a lot of homebrewers.

I just checked Gary's article and it indeed says the conference will be lottery to attend and those who don't get in can be on the waiting list just like in the past.  There are also 20% more spots available.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: AmandaK on December 21, 2013, 06:08:13 PM
Zymurgy most definitely mentioned that attendance will be done based on a lottery as well. This certainly has me worried.

You preregister first, which isn't as bad ad just doing a lottery of every member.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on December 21, 2013, 09:13:05 PM
I haven't read the article, yet, but this will allow everyone who wants to go a chance to pre register. There are 4000 places contracted for the conference, don't know if they can get more in.

I think there will be good demand at GR, others think it is harder to get to, and not as many people in a short drive. This will give a count on the true demand, and be fair (remember all of those that said it was not fair that they had tok be at work and could not be on line?). People won't give up due to a crashed web site or the conference filling up too quickly. The wait list will be there. Also don't forget that just on this forum they were several tickets offered up by folks who had last minute conflicts - so if you have will there is a way.

My take on it is that the AHA and the GC listened to the members and made adjustments.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: srankert on December 21, 2013, 10:22:55 PM
Limit for the competition is 6 entries.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Herminator on December 21, 2013, 10:23:35 PM
But I wonder how pre-registrations will really allow AHA to truly measure demand since I am assuming there is not a cash/payment commitment. One could simply pre-register and then flake...putting those on the wait list into a fury trying to get there.  I tend to understand the move but the amount of work for staff to manage registration with pre reg and wait lists...seems excessive and unnecessary. I worry the pre reg process will actually greatly decrease the amount of attendees who actually attend since I don't lose anything by pre-registering. Curious to see how this works out. I hope I win the lottery! Ha.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: klickitat jim on December 21, 2013, 10:44:47 PM
Limit for the competition is 6 entries.

Info leak?
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: james on December 21, 2013, 10:54:11 PM
Limit for the competition is 6 entries.

Info leak?


It's written in the zymurgy article
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: srankert on December 21, 2013, 11:05:17 PM
Limit for the competition is 6 entries.

Info leak?


It's written in the zymurgy article
Leaked by Gary Glass. I had to read his article online to see what was being discussed.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: klickitat jim on December 21, 2013, 11:32:08 PM
Haven't gotten my issue yet
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: james on December 22, 2013, 12:03:36 AM
Haven't gotten my issue yet

I haven't received my copy yet either, but you can view them online.  The android app gives a notification when a new issue is available
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: klickitat jim on December 22, 2013, 01:24:32 AM
Tempted but I'm old fashioned. I like reading the hard copy. Something to look forward to.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: punatic on December 22, 2013, 11:46:52 AM
I will have to forego the Homebrewers Conference in Michigan in order to attend the ADI Conference in Seattle March 27 - April 7.   No lottery necessary to participate in Seattle

Venue for NHC 2014?
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: guido on December 22, 2013, 03:12:44 PM
I read Gary's letter, and I understand his point:  it's difficult for many people to be available to register at an exact moment and then have the ensuing rush cause a computer crash.  (It's only through the grace of God that I got in for Philly.)  I would like to toss out a request if the AHA is going to the lottery system for the conference.  Could you please post the location of the next year's conference (2015) before pre-registration?  That might allow some people who are on the fence to be able to say "Next year's conference is  in my back yard.  I'll go in 2015" or  "I'll never be able to go to (fill in blank).  I have to try for GR in 2014."
Title: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: a witty man on December 22, 2013, 10:35:22 PM
I think lottery systems for the competition and NHC tix are reasonable solutions to a difficult situation.

A few more details  (and questions) from the zymurgy article:
- Judges and stewards in the 2013 NHC competition have a guaranteed "opportunity to submit entries" in 2014. (Does this mean an opportunity to submit  6 entries?)

- AHA Members get "pre-registration option" for the conference - I'm guessing this would be pre-registration for a lottery? Is there a separate lottery for AHA members?

- Do judges and stewards in the competition get priority registration for the conference?
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: james on December 23, 2013, 04:13:19 AM
I think lottery systems for the competition and NHC tix are reasonable solutions to a difficult situation.

A few more details  (and questions) from the zymurgy article:
- Judges and stewards in the 2013 NHC competition have a guaranteed "opportunity to submit entries" in 2014. (Does this mean an opportunity to submit  6 entries?)

From the rumors I heard the volunteers get 2 guaranteed entries and the rest is lottery.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: morticaixavier on December 23, 2013, 04:38:54 PM
I haven't read the article, yet, but this will allow everyone who wants to go a chance to pre register. There are 4000 places contracted for the conference, don't know if they can get more in.

I think there will be good demand at GR, others think it is harder to get to, and not as many people in a short drive. This will give a count on the true demand, and be fair (remember all of those that said it was not fair that they had tok be at work and could not be on line?). People won't give up due to a crashed web site or the conference filling up too quickly. The wait list will be there. Also don't forget that just on this forum they were several tickets offered up by folks who had last minute conflicts - so if you have will there is a way.

My take on it is that the AHA and the GC listened to the members and made adjustments.

+1

Also seems like they listened to the requests for guaranteed entries for volunteers.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on December 23, 2013, 06:26:32 PM
But I wonder how pre-registrations will really allow AHA to truly measure demand since I am assuming there is not a cash/payment commitment.

A lottery is a double-edged sword: you can't expect a payment commitment with the potential of not getting in, but if there's no financial commitment, the lottery will fill up with people who aren't necessarily committed to attending...

I guess as long as the method of keeping up with cancellations and waiting list is solid, its an improvement from the mad dash and subsequent server crash.

I'm not too worried about getting a spot with 4000 available, but at the rate its growing, 20% wouldn't be surprising...
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on December 23, 2013, 07:27:53 PM
I'm not too worried about getting a spot with 4000 available, but at the rate its growing, 20% wouldn't be surprising...

My concern is they will keep growing it to a point where it just won't be worth it anymore.  Pro and Club night are already a mad house and waiting for 1-2 hours outside the banquet hall to make a mad rush to get a table is crazy.  It's worse than a Black Friday sale at Walmart.

Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: kylekohlmorgen on December 23, 2013, 08:48:32 PM
I'm not too worried about getting a spot with 4000 available, but at the rate its growing, 20% wouldn't be surprising...

My concern is they will keep growing it to a point where it just won't be worth it anymore.  Pro and Club night are already a mad house and waiting for 1-2 hours outside the banquet hall to make a mad rush to get a table is crazy.  It's worse than a Black Friday sale at Walmart.

The event space(s) should be appropriately sized to handle the larger attendance.

If more folks want to attend and learn about/grow within the hobby, they should have that opportunity. This hobby (and craft beer, in general) is an inclusive (not exclusive) thing.

The goal is to properly anticipate and plan for the increased interest.

I thought Pro Night was rather spacious compared to some of the beer festivals I've been to recently...
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Jimmy K on December 31, 2013, 07:48:58 PM

A lottery is a double-edged sword: you can't expect a payment commitment with the potential of not getting in, but if there's no financial commitment, the lottery will fill up with people who aren't necessarily committed to attending...
They could actually. I enter race lotteries where you register and give your credit card information. If you are selected, you are charged immediately and notified that you are registered. There is no requirement to log back in and pay. 

Then again, I'd be pretty hesitant to enter a lottery like this thinking that I might get in and not my wife (or the other way). We're really only interested in attending together.  Actually, I'm wondering how this will work out for the two of us - since it will really require two of us to make it through. It would be nice if there was a group option - register a group and either everybody gets in or nobody.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: james on December 31, 2013, 07:51:42 PM

A lottery is a double-edged sword: you can't expect a payment commitment with the potential of not getting in, but if there's no financial commitment, the lottery will fill up with people who aren't necessarily committed to attending...
They could actually. I enter race lotteries where you register and give your credit card information. If you are selected, you are charged immediately and notified that you are registered. There is no requirement to log back in and pay. 

Then again, I'd be pretty hesitant to enter a lottery like this thinking that I might get in and not my wife (or the other way). We're really only interested in attending together.  Actually, I'm wondering how this will work out for the two of us - since it will really require two of us to make it through. It would be nice if there was a group option - register a group and either everybody gets in or nobody.

In the past you could buy a ticket for you and a guest, I imagine this would still be the case
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: klickitat jim on December 31, 2013, 11:02:08 PM
I'd love to go sometime but it would take a series of miracles. Time open when it's my turn to vacation bid, then when it's my wife's turn to bid, then win lottery, then wife wins lottery, etc.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: punatic on January 01, 2014, 01:25:10 AM
I'd love to go sometime but it would take a series of miracles. Time open when it's my turn to vacation bid, then when it's my wife's turn to bid, then win lottery, then wife wins lottery, etc.

It's a Zen thing, "BE the lottery, Grasshopper..."   ;D
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: klickitat jim on January 01, 2014, 12:29:33 PM
Maybe it will be in Yakima in 2015? That would make it easier. Of course Toppenish would be even better.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Jimmy K on January 02, 2014, 03:35:10 PM
They could actually. I enter race lotteries where you register and give your credit card information. If you are selected, you are charged immediately and notified that you are registered. There is no requirement to log back in and pay. 

Then again, I'd be pretty hesitant to enter a lottery like this thinking that I might get in and not my wife (or the other way). We're really only interested in attending together.  Actually, I'm wondering how this will work out for the two of us - since it will really require two of us to make it through. It would be nice if there was a group option - register a group and either everybody gets in or nobody.

In the past you could buy a ticket for you and a guest, I imagine this would still be the case
That's right. Hopefully that's the case.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: zen_brew on January 05, 2014, 03:27:54 AM
 Obviously a complex issue addressing the demand, but I really dislike the lottery for attendance. I attend with my wife who is also an AHA member. So it is possible for one of us to get in and one of us not. Also a large event like this over multiple days requires advanced planning and for some people reserving vacation days well in advance. It is hard to plan and budget for a multi-day event that you need to win a lottery to attend.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: mabrungard on January 05, 2014, 01:26:42 PM
I attend with my wife who is also an AHA member.

You have it made with twice the probability of the typical member. Do remember that every attendee has the opportunity to include a guest, so you both can enter the lottery and if either gets selected...you both go.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on January 07, 2014, 05:43:58 PM
I would like to toss out a request if the AHA is going to the lottery system for the conference.  Could you please post the location of the next year's conference (2015) before pre-registration?  That might allow some people who are on the fence to be able to say "Next year's conference is  in my back yard.  I'll go in 2015" or  "I'll never be able to go to (fill in blank).  I have to try for GR in 2014."

AHA, how's 2015 NHC planning coming along? 
I think guido's request is a good one...
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on January 08, 2014, 02:21:33 AM
Looks like the http://www.ahaconference.org/ website has been updated for Grand Rapids.  No hard dates except the lottery entry dates will be a week in February and notification and hotel registration in March.   It looks like the conference packages are just full conference and a banquet add on ($285 total).

Hope I find a golden ticket!
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: guido on January 08, 2014, 10:17:16 AM
Looks like the http://www.ahaconference.org/ website has been updated for Grand Rapids.  No hard dates except the lottery entry dates will be a week in February and notification and hotel registration in March.   It looks like the conference packages are just full conference and a banquet add on ($285 total).

Hope I find a golden ticket!

I saw the update.  Did anyone notice that there's no Pro Brewers' Night?  I'm sure there won't be a shortage of beer at the conference, but I'm going to miss it.  Good luck to all getting a ticket.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: AmandaK on January 08, 2014, 12:46:25 PM
Looks like the http://www.ahaconference.org/ website has been updated for Grand Rapids.  No hard dates except the lottery entry dates will be a week in February and notification and hotel registration in March.   It looks like the conference packages are just full conference and a banquet add on ($285 total).

Hope I find a golden ticket!

I saw the update.  Did anyone notice that there's no Pro Brewers' Night?  I'm sure there won't be a shortage of beer at the conference, but I'm going to miss it.  Good luck to all getting a ticket.

"New in 2014, conference attendees will enjoy a welcome reception on Thursday evening."

So... the conference is a day shorter now?  ???
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Jimmy K on January 08, 2014, 01:00:23 PM

So... the conference is a day shorter now?  ???
The overview includes the competition all day Thursday and the expo and seminars in the afternoon, same as last year. It's common for conferences to actually start before the welcome reception.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 08, 2014, 02:10:22 PM

So... the conference is a day shorter now?  ???
The overview includes the competition all day Thursday and the expo and seminars in the afternoon, same as last year. It's common for conferences to actually start before the welcome reception.

The change I see is just Pro Brewers night being changed to a reception featuring local craft beers and appetizers. Ends at 7:30. You can read it in the link.
http://www.ahaconference.org/events/welcome-reception-toast/
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on January 08, 2014, 02:25:26 PM
Huh...no Pro-Brewers night. And it doesn't look like the Social Club is open on Thursday night.  Seems like a big chunk of the conference has been eliminated and the cost went up.  I have no idea what it takes to run pro night, so I really don't know why the change.  I usually need Thursday as a down day anyways being it's the next day after the BN Anniversary party and the day before Club Night.  I wonder if the local committee will plan any events that night since it's wide open after 7:30pm.

On the Conference overview page, it shows the Social Club only going to midnight.  Was this the case in the past (thought the went well beyond that)?

Last thought...are there any silly MI laws that say you cannot serve alcohol before 11am like in Philly?  I attended a couple morning seminars and it would have been nice to taste what they were talking about.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on January 08, 2014, 02:27:09 PM

So... the conference is a day shorter now?  ???
The overview includes the competition all day Thursday and the expo and seminars in the afternoon, same as last year. It's common for conferences to actually start before the welcome reception.

The change I see is just Pro Brewers night being changed to a reception featuring local craft beers and appetizers. Ends at 7:30. You can read it in the link.
http://www.ahaconference.org/events/welcome-reception-toast/

I wonder how long it is?
might not be a great deal of time between the end of the Final Round judging and this event.  I've always enjoyed resting a bit after the Finals.  Or perhaps they plan to have so many judges we can finish before lunch (finished 23 of 28 before lunch in 2013).
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on January 08, 2014, 02:29:01 PM

I wonder how long it is?
might not be a great deal of time between the end of the Final Round judging and this event.  I've always enjoyed resting a bit after the Finals.  Or perhaps they plan to have so many judges we can finish before lunch (finished 23 of 28 before lunch in 2013).

2 hours - 5:30pm - 7:30 pm

http://www.ahaconference.org/conference/conference-overview/  and click on Thursday to expand.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on January 08, 2014, 02:45:37 PM

I wonder how long it is?
might not be a great deal of time between the end of the Final Round judging and this event.  I've always enjoyed resting a bit after the Finals.  Or perhaps they plan to have so many judges we can finish before lunch (finished 23 of 28 before lunch in 2013).

2 hours - 5:30pm - 7:30 pm

http://www.ahaconference.org/conference/conference-overview/  and click on Thursday to expand.

thanks.  archaic work browser wouldn't open it.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dkfick on January 08, 2014, 02:46:40 PM
Huh...no Pro-Brewers night. And it doesn't look like the Social Club is open on Thursday night.  Seems like a big chunk of the conference has been eliminated and the cost went up.  I have no idea what it takes to run pro night, so I really don't know why the change.  I usually need Thursday as a down day anyways being it's the next day after the BN Anniversary party and the day before Club Night.  I wonder if the local committee will plan any events that night since it's wide open after 7:30pm.

On the Conference overview page, it shows the Social Club only going to midnight.  Was this the case in the past (thought the went well beyond that)?

Last thought...are there any silly MI laws that say you cannot serve alcohol before 11am like in Philly?  I attended a couple morning seminars and it would have been nice to taste what they were talking about.
MI Beer selling/serving laws are: Mon-Sat 7am-2am.  Sunday is noon-2am... but places can purchase a cheap license to extend that to 7am as well.... Not that there is anything planned for Sunday... But it could come into play if you are from out of state and want to buy beers before going back home on Sunday.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: macbrews on January 08, 2014, 03:13:46 PM
I attend with my wife who is also an AHA member.

You have it made with twice the probability of the typical member. Do remember that every attendee has the opportunity to include a guest, so you both can enter the lottery and if either gets selected...you both go.

I looked at the registration details and found this:  Each member who enters the lottery can register up to one additional guest. All attendees must be a member of the AHA, including guests.

Does that mean if I take my wife, she has to be an AHA member?  She wasn't last year.  If so, when would she have to join?   Before the lottery?  After an opportunity to register might be extended to me?  That's a new wrench thrown in.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dkfick on January 08, 2014, 03:17:53 PM
I attend with my wife who is also an AHA member.

You have it made with twice the probability of the typical member. Do remember that every attendee has the opportunity to include a guest, so you both can enter the lottery and if either gets selected...you both go.

I looked at the registration details and found this:  Each member who enters the lottery can register up to one additional guest. All attendees must be a member of the AHA, including guests.

Does that mean if I take my wife, she has to be an AHA member?  She wasn't last year.  If so, when would she have to join?   Before the lottery?  After an opportunity to register might be extended to me?  That's a new wrench thrown in.
I believe the assumption is if your guest, wife in this case, is planning on attending the conference they should be members of the AHA and must be interested in homebrewing.  I think they are probably trying to get rid of the guests that have no interest in homebrewing and are just there to drink beer the whole time.  These guests take up a slot for those that might get a bit more out of it...  I Think the upgrade for the household membership is something like $19...
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on January 08, 2014, 03:57:41 PM
I attend with my wife who is also an AHA member.

You have it made with twice the probability of the typical member. Do remember that every attendee has the opportunity to include a guest, so you both can enter the lottery and if either gets selected...you both go.

I looked at the registration details and found this:  Each member who enters the lottery can register up to one additional guest. All attendees must be a member of the AHA, including guests.

Does that mean if I take my wife, she has to be an AHA member?  She wasn't last year.  If so, when would she have to join?   Before the lottery?  After an opportunity to register might be extended to me?  That's a new wrench thrown in.

yeah, that's a head-scratcher.  My wife wants to go as my guest but she barely ever drinks, and just a few ounces.  She hates beer.  I'm sure as hell not buying her an AHA membership.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dkfick on January 08, 2014, 04:02:53 PM
I attend with my wife who is also an AHA member.

You have it made with twice the probability of the typical member. Do remember that every attendee has the opportunity to include a guest, so you both can enter the lottery and if either gets selected...you both go.

I looked at the registration details and found this:  Each member who enters the lottery can register up to one additional guest. All attendees must be a member of the AHA, including guests.

Does that mean if I take my wife, she has to be an AHA member?  She wasn't last year.  If so, when would she have to join?   Before the lottery?  After an opportunity to register might be extended to me?  That's a new wrench thrown in.

yeah, that's a head-scratcher.  My wife wants to go as my guest but she barely ever drinks, and just a few ounces.  She hates beer.  I'm sure as hell not buying her an AHA membership.

I'd hate to say it but if she did have a ticket to the conference she would most likely be taking a space away from someone who could arguably get more out of it. (A homebrewer and AHA member).  It wouldn't prevent you from having her come along on the trip... She just wouldn't be able to attend the conference.  Seems legit to me.  My girlfriend is an AHA member because she enjoys beer and brews beer as well.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on January 08, 2014, 04:10:40 PM
I attend with my wife who is also an AHA member.

You have it made with twice the probability of the typical member. Do remember that every attendee has the opportunity to include a guest, so you both can enter the lottery and if either gets selected...you both go.

I looked at the registration details and found this:  Each member who enters the lottery can register up to one additional guest. All attendees must be a member of the AHA, including guests.

Does that mean if I take my wife, she has to be an AHA member?  She wasn't last year.  If so, when would she have to join?   Before the lottery?  After an opportunity to register might be extended to me?  That's a new wrench thrown in.

yeah, that's a head-scratcher.  My wife wants to go as my guest but she barely ever drinks, and just a few ounces.  She hates beer.  I'm sure as hell not buying her an AHA membership.

I'd hate to say it but if she did have a ticket to the conference she would most likely be taking a space away from someone who could arguably get more out of it. (A homebrewer and AHA member).  It wouldn't prevent you from having her come along on the trip... She just wouldn't be able to attend the conference.  Seems legit to me.  My girlfriend is an AHA member because she enjoys beer and brews beer as well.

maybe.  But I cannot be the only married guy who gets to go on vacations on the condition he bring his wife along...
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dkfick on January 08, 2014, 04:12:10 PM
But that's what I'm saying... You can bring her along... If she is uninterested in beer and brewing why would she even want to attend the conference?
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dbeechum on January 08, 2014, 04:13:22 PM
I'm not privy to everything, but I can tell you that:

Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on January 08, 2014, 04:14:43 PM
But that's what I'm saying... You can bring her along... If she is uninterested in beer and brewing why would she even want to attend the conference?

because she likes me, and likes being around me, and wants to be there when I win another medal, maybe?

...who cares why, really?  She wants to go.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: denny on January 08, 2014, 04:20:17 PM
I for one won't miss Pro night.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on January 08, 2014, 04:20:31 PM
But that's what I'm saying... You can bring her along... If she is uninterested in beer and brewing why would she even want to attend the conference?


because she likes me, and likes being around me, and wants to be there when I win another medal, maybe?

...who cares why, really?  She wants to go.
I can see both sides of this, but I would never go to a scrapbooking conference with my wife just so I could be around her :)

Also, it look like there is only 1 conference pass level this year (Full) and the banquet add-on (i.e. no social or reduced tickets).  Or maybe the site needs to still be updated.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dkfick on January 08, 2014, 04:22:02 PM
But that's what I'm saying... You can bring her along... If she is uninterested in beer and brewing why would she even want to attend the conference?

because she likes me, and likes being around me, and wants to be there when I win another medal, maybe?

...who cares why, really?  She wants to go.
My guess is the person that would care is the homebrewer that doesn't get to attend...
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on January 08, 2014, 04:29:49 PM
But that's what I'm saying... You can bring her along... If she is uninterested in beer and brewing why would she even want to attend the conference?

because she likes me, and likes being around me, and wants to be there when I win another medal, maybe?

...who cares why, really?  She wants to go.
My guess is the person that would care is the homebrewer that doesn't get to attend...

that would be me, under these rules.

...look, it's clear we're going to agree to disagree.  That's fine.

cheers--
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: macbrews on January 08, 2014, 07:34:49 PM
But that's what I'm saying... You can bring her along... If she is uninterested in beer and brewing why would she even want to attend the conference?

I am fortunate in that my wife is interested in homebrewing (she became interested in order to spend more time with me).  I guess I have never seen the need to register her as well.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: punatic on January 08, 2014, 07:47:59 PM
So, maybe to be eligible to enter the lottery, there should be a mandatory questionnaire assessing you and your guest's brewing knowledge/enthusiasm.  Then, if you or your guest are not deemed altruistic enough to attend, you would be excluded from entering the lottery.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 08, 2014, 08:48:20 PM
But that's what I'm saying... You can bring her along... If she is uninterested in beer and brewing why would she even want to attend the conference?


because she likes me, and likes being around me, and wants to be there when I win another medal, maybe?

...who cares why, really?  She wants to go.
I can see both sides of this, but I would never go to a scrapbooking conference with my wife just so I could be around her :)

Also, it look like there is only 1 conference pass level this year (Full) and the banquet add-on (i.e. no social or reduced tickets).  Or maybe the site needs to still be updated.
The reduced Fri-Sat ticket last year was due to the AHA realizing another conf was ending on Thursday, so more space would be available. They acted quickly on that and got another 900 or so in, over the initial contract, IIRC

Grand Rapids was contracted for 4000, so no need for the 2 day ticket.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Stevie on January 08, 2014, 08:57:45 PM
My lady and I will not be attending, though she is a member. She is only into the hanging out aspect of brewing and doesn't brew herself. She uses the heck out of the discount.

Upgrading to the family membership is not too expensive and I think worth it.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: morticaixavier on January 08, 2014, 08:59:46 PM
But that's what I'm saying... You can bring her along... If she is uninterested in beer and brewing why would she even want to attend the conference?


because she likes me, and likes being around me, and wants to be there when I win another medal, maybe?

...who cares why, really?  She wants to go.
I can see both sides of this, but I would never go to a scrapbooking conference with my wife just so I could be around her :)

Also, it look like there is only 1 conference pass level this year (Full) and the banquet add-on (i.e. no social or reduced tickets).  Or maybe the site needs to still be updated.
The reduced Fri-Sat ticket last year was due to the AHA realizing another conf was ending on Thursday, so more space would be available. They acted quickly on that and got another 900 or so in, over the initial contract, IIRC

Grand Rapids was contracted for 4000, so no need for the 2 day ticket.

and perhaps the need for the 'social' level was perceived as reduced because of the membership requirement even for guests.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on January 08, 2014, 11:19:22 PM
A few words
The 2014 NHC will be held in the DeVos center in Grand Rapids.  We have the entire center as I currently understand it so we have a lot of space. 

The Lottery.  A lot of thought went into this for the competition and the conference.  I believe you will see all Brewers Association events moving this way.  Why?  First and foremost, most ticket agencies can handle 10,000 requests in an hour, in the first 30 seconds --- No.  There will be no advantage to entering your request in the first hour.  Take your time, but also don't enter your request in the last half hour.  IMHO it is unfair to favor members that can be entering data into 10+ computers and hitting them as often and as quick as you can.    My hope is that we will not have to actually enter the "lottery" phase of buying tickets for the NHC.  Good luck to all.  You can blame me as a member of the Governing committee for this.  After a lot of discussion and input from AHA members this is the direction we decided to take to be fair to all.  As usual we will evaluate how well this worked and evaluate changes (if needed) for future events.

New this year is that all guests MUST be AHA members.  This can be a household membership which is (I believe) currently $22.  My wife wants to come so I have purchased this membership for her.

Last year, despite all the early problems, everyone that had expressed an interest in attending was given the opportunity.  The AHA refused no one to the current largest conference to date, Philly.  Offering more admissions, it is our hope that everyone that applies can attend. 

Pro-Brewers.  The welcome reception you all know about.  We are trying to spread the Pro's out throughout the conference and details are not finalized.

Thursday night on-the-town.  We have our Local Committee Staff working on that to ensure you can enjoy Beer City's hospitality.

Pre-Events:  We have some awesome tours in the process of being scheduled.  Bell's, Founders, plus many others.  Oh, and does anyone out there like sour beers? . . . . . . . .

Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: morticaixavier on January 08, 2014, 11:49:39 PM
A few words
The 2014 NHC will be held in the DeVos center in Grand Rapids.  We have the entire center as I currently understand it so we have a lot of space. 

The Lottery.  A lot of thought went into this for the competition and the conference.  I believe you will see all Brewers Association events moving this way.  Why?  First and foremost, most ticket agencies can handle 10,000 requests in an hour, in the first 30 seconds --- No.  There will be no advantage to entering your request in the first hour.  Take your time, but also don't enter your request in the last half hour.  IMHO it is unfair to favor members that can be entering data into 10+ computers and hitting them as often and as quick as you can.    My hope is that we will not have to actually enter the "lottery" phase of buying tickets for the NHC.  Good luck to all.  You can blame me as a member of the Governing committee for this.  After a lot of discussion and input from AHA members this is the direction we decided to take to be fair to all.  As usual we will evaluate how well this worked and evaluate changes (if needed) for future events.

New this year is that all guests MUST be AHA members.  This can be a household membership which is (I believe) currently $22.  My wife wants to come so I have purchased this membership for her.

Last year, despite all the early problems, everyone that had expressed an interest in attending was given the opportunity.  The AHA refused no one to the current largest conference to date, Philly.  Offering more admissions, it is our hope that everyone that applies can attend. 

Pro-Brewers.  The welcome reception you all know about.  We are trying to spread the Pro's out throughout the conference and details are not finalized.

Thursday night on-the-town.  We have our Local Committee Staff working on that to ensure you can enjoy Beer City's hospitality.

Pre-Events:  We have some awesome tours in the process of being scheduled.  Bell's, Founders, plus many others.  Oh, and does anyone out there like sour beers? . . . . . . . .

yes?

tease!

Thanks for the details Fred.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dkfick on January 09, 2014, 02:27:39 AM
Thanks Fred.  I think these changes for the conference are all positive changes.... Well except the loss of pro brewers night... That was a great time.. but only time will tell if this is better or not.  I at least understand the reasoning behind cutting it.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: desertsoilguy on January 09, 2014, 03:37:42 AM
No Pro-Brewer's Night?  A sign things are going downhill!   Loved that event - a chance to mingle with regional brewers.  Time to have regional conferences I think.  By the way my previous comments seem to have disappeared from the forum.  Disappointed to be frank.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on January 09, 2014, 04:40:34 AM
The Pros will be there, hopefully (hey the format changed) in a manner that we can all interact with them and sample their wares
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: klickitat jim on January 09, 2014, 06:12:50 AM
I for one won't miss Pro night.

Never been to NHC. But I'm with Denny. (sarcastic comment coming, please don't read if easily offended)

Gosh, what's the point of going to a HOME brewers conference if there aren't any PROS there? Might as well just go to the GABF where it's mostly homebrewers who want to be pros....

Ok, I've never been to NHC. If and when I go, I'd expect the focus to be on HOME brewing.

Maybe I'm way off base. If so, you won't have to worry about seeing me at NHC.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: punatic on January 09, 2014, 07:04:54 AM
They were fun back in the day.  Sounds like they're becoming Times Square on New Years Eve these days.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: klickitat jim on January 09, 2014, 07:10:31 AM
Could be. Emphasized, never been. So, I don't know. But, I've been around. I'll bet the NHC isn't the sole source of crazy partydom. A few biker rallies in my past come to mind. I'm now at a st-age where peaceful sleep is vital. Maybe the NHC is not my bag anymore. I'll stick with the Redwood Run and Run21. Something more calm.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: jeffy on January 09, 2014, 12:40:30 PM
I will say that the more NHC's you go to the more you want to go to NHC.  I've been to over a dozen and will try not to miss one no matter where it is.
Pro night last year reminded me of GABF with the incredibly loud venue and long lines for the "special" beers and breweries.  I didn't stay long.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 09, 2014, 01:00:09 PM
I will say that the more NHC's you go to the more you want to go to NHC.  I've been to over a dozen and will try not to miss one no matter where it is.
Pro night last year reminded me of GABF with the incredibly loud venue and long lines for the "special" beers and breweries.  I didn't stay long.
This will be my ninth NHC, and the summer is planned around the NHC.

I agree on Pro Brewers night last year. I did get to chat with some of the pros that I know, which was nice.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on January 09, 2014, 01:59:17 PM
Gosh, what's the point of going to a HOME brewers conference if there aren't any PROS there? Might as well just go to the GABF where it's mostly homebrewers who want to be pros....
It is definitely homebrew focused but we are also craft beer lovers.  NHC for some of us is a chance to interact with pro brewers ( many of which are former/current homebrewers ) and try beer we can't get in our states.  Glad to see they'll be there but with only 2 hours for the reception, there's not a lot of time. 

Thanks Fred for the update.  I'm glad to see the local committee looking into something for the week.  Last year the DFH trip was great, as were the brewery tours in Seattle.

Question about the banquet.  Does the possibility exist for the banquet to serve everyone that gets to attend NHC, or will the banquet be capped at less the 4000?  I know a lot of people don't attend the banquet but I was wondering if there was a hard number.  If so, would it be conceivable that someone could get picked in the lottery for attendance, but not for the banquet?
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Jimmy K on January 09, 2014, 02:26:11 PM
I will say that the more NHC's you go to the more you want to go to NHC.  I've been to over a dozen and will try not to miss one no matter where it is.
Pro night last year reminded me of GABF with the incredibly loud venue and long lines for the "special" beers and breweries.  I didn't stay long.
This will be my ninth NHC, and the summer is planned around the NHC.

I agree on Pro Brewers night last year. I did get to chat with some of the pros that I know, which was nice.
It was my first but I agree. The noise at pro night was oppressive and I left early. I think having pro involvement scattered through the conference will encourage more interaction and is a good move.

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Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dkfick on January 09, 2014, 02:32:07 PM
Yeah I agree that location for pro night (the toast was lost) and even homebrew club night was just noise... couldn't hear yourself think.  Hard to walk around....  I did enjoy the keg shooting up to the ceiling though lol.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Jimmy K on January 09, 2014, 02:36:59 PM
There was a toast? I had no idea.

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Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on January 09, 2014, 03:07:30 PM
I really enjoyed Pro Night last year (insane noise notwithstanding) but that was mostly due to not having access to many of those breweries.  Several things I was excited to try. 
but usually, yeah, it's way below Club Night on the enjoyment scale.

I'll echo that the more NHC's you go the more you want to go again.  By comparison I think the shine rubs off of an event like GABF after that initial awesomeness of walking into that enormous room.

so in regards to having to be AHA members, are there deadlines, and have any of them passed?  can you sign up for AHA membership when you buy?  Same with the competition entry AHA member requirements, must you be a member x days previous to registering entries?
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: james on January 09, 2014, 04:04:43 PM
I will say that the more NHC's you go to the more you want to go to NHC.  I've been to over a dozen and will try not to miss one no matter where it is.
Pro night last year reminded me of GABF with the incredibly loud venue and long lines for the "special" beers and breweries.  I didn't stay long.

Also left early last year.  The acoustics were terrible in there? The volume was much better at club night, but I'm not sure why.  More people spread out?

Springing for the carpet in the future would help with the noise
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: denny on January 09, 2014, 04:09:13 PM
By the way my previous comments seem to have disappeared from the forum.  Disappointed to be frank.

Your comments were not removed by any of us.  They're right here...http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=17834.msg225382#msg225382
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: mabrungard on January 10, 2014, 09:33:15 PM
Can the Governing Board members report when the NHC 1st round judging site and date listing will be published? At present, we only know 12 locations and sometime late March, early April.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 10, 2014, 09:44:34 PM
Can the Governing Board members report when the NHC 1st round judging site and date listing will be published? At present, we only know 12 locations and sometime late March, early April.

6 sites are up on the BJCP competition schedule.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: brewmichigan on January 10, 2014, 09:44:49 PM
I understand why they did this but it sucks that on the year it's in my back yard, there's a chance I won't be able to go. It's just getting too popular but I hope the increased prices and extra barriers, which are no problem for the majority of us, keep out the person who just wants to get drunk and allows the people who really want to go the ability to go.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: AmandaK on January 10, 2014, 09:51:56 PM
I understand why they did this but it sucks that on the year it's in my back yard, there's a chance I won't be able to go. It's just getting too popular but I hope the increased prices and extra barriers, which are no problem for the majority of us, keep out the person who just wants to get drunk and allows the people who really want to go the ability to go.

Every year there are several people who cannot go at the last minute. They post their tickets here. Since you won't have to buy a plane ticket or drive across the country on a whim, I bet you could be first in line for the unused ticket.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: AmandaK on January 10, 2014, 09:53:37 PM
Can the Governing Board members report when the NHC 1st round judging site and date listing will be published? At present, we only know 12 locations and sometime late March, early April.

6 sites are up on the BJCP competition schedule.

KC - March 28/29
Philly - March 28/29
San Diego - 4/4
Seattle - 4/4
St. Paul - 4/11
Denver? - 4/11

I would guess that the remaining sites have not nailed down something with the AHA yet.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: morticaixavier on January 10, 2014, 10:13:58 PM
I understand why they did this but it sucks that on the year it's in my back yard, there's a chance I won't be able to go. It's just getting too popular but I hope the increased prices and extra barriers, which are no problem for the majority of us, keep out the person who just wants to get drunk and allows the people who really want to go the ability to go.

Every year there are several people who cannot go at the last minute. They post their tickets here. Since you won't have to buy a plane ticket or drive across the country on a whim, I bet you could be first in line for the unused ticket.

also, I think there is a fair chance that the Lottery for the Conference will never even happen. The conference didn't sell out that quickly last year, it was the Contest that was the real PITA. I'm sure the lottery will come into play for the contest but I'm not convinced it will even be an issue for the conference.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 10, 2014, 10:48:34 PM
I understand why they did this but it sucks that on the year it's in my back yard, there's a chance I won't be able to go. It's just getting too popular but I hope the increased prices and extra barriers, which are no problem for the majority of us, keep out the person who just wants to get drunk and allows the people who really want to go the ability to go.

Every year there are several people who cannot go at the last minute. They post their tickets here. Since you won't have to buy a plane ticket or drive across the country on a whim, I bet you could be first in line for the unused ticket.

also, I think there is a fair chance that the Lottery for the Conference will never even happen. The conference didn't sell out that quickly last year, it was the Contest that was the real PITA. I'm sure the lottery will come into play for the contest but I'm not convinced it will even be an issue for the conference.

The AHA will have a data point on what the demand is. Compared to Philly bigger conference at 4000 attendees, fewer people in a days drive, maybe not as easy by air travel. Will it fill up and have a lottery? The data will come in and we will know.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: phoneman65 on January 11, 2014, 12:18:30 AM
I read someone saying that if you and your spouse were members that you could both register. I called the AHA and asked about this and was told that they will only take one registration per member. Meaning that if you register and put your spouse (also a member) as a guest, then you are each registered once. In other words you can't each register and put each other as guests. That would be two per.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Jimmy K on January 11, 2014, 02:01:14 AM
I read someone saying that if you and your spouse were members that you could both register. I called the AHA and asked about this and was told that they will only take one registration per member. Meaning that if you register and put your spouse (also a member) as a guest, then you are each registered once. In other words you can't each register and put each other as guests. That would be two per.
That makes sense that they'd keep you from gaming the system.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: mabrungard on January 11, 2014, 02:26:37 PM

That makes sense that they'd keep you from gaming the system.

It actually doesn't make sense. How is a member going to bring a spouse or friend that is interested in homebrewing? And how is AHA going to handle the fact that when a member gets through the lottery and their partner doesn't, that means that a whole flock of members are not going to follow through and register. This truly is the dumbest thing I've heard.

How is the system gamed by having the opportunity to obtain two spots?
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Jimmy K on January 11, 2014, 02:44:24 PM

That makes sense that they'd keep you from gaming the system.

It actually doesn't make sense. How is a member going to bring a spouse or friend that is interested in homebrewing? And how is AHA going to handle the fact that when a member gets through the lottery and their partner doesn't, that means that a whole flock of members are not going to follow through and register. This truly is the dumbest thing I've heard.

How is the system gamed by having the opportunity to obtain two spots?
What phoneman wrote is that you can register your spouse as a guest, but your spouse can't also register with you as a guest. That would give you each two slots in the lottery. I did not talk to AHA myself, but the post makes it sound like you can still register yourself and a guest together.

I agree it would be very stupid if that isn't true.

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Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on January 11, 2014, 04:39:43 PM
The opportunity is to procure 2 seats with your registration, yourself, plus an AHA member guest.
Almost the same as last year.  The new part is that your guest must be an AHA member.

Last year all registrations required a name, the same this year.  This year all names require a unique AHA member number.  (same change as above)

What you cannot do is to register for yourself and a guest, and have your "guest" register for her/himself and you.


Does that make sense to you?

Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on January 11, 2014, 05:07:03 PM
If someone registers their spouse as a guest, can they later cancel that for a refund.  I could see the AHA getting a lot of family memberships this year if it could double their chances of going.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on January 11, 2014, 07:17:37 PM
If someone registers their spouse as a guest, can they later cancel that for a refund.  I could see the AHA getting a lot of family memberships this year if it could double their chances of going.
I don't see the point.
You register with your AHA Family Membership wife, By far the highest likelihood is that you get your tickets (plural) after the registration period.  Your probability is neither up nor down.  You both most-likely get in.  Your guest will not get in without you.

Last year in Philly everyone who was initially refused (there was another convention there when we started) was offered a registration along with everyone on the standby list and everyone that wanted a registration was allowed to purchase one.  (we were able to offer a Friday/Saturday package that was added when we found out the other convention was leaving.)

Cancellations:  If for a legitimate reason, I know the AHA staff will work with you, but we really want to cut down on any cancellations that are from gaming the system to increase chances.  These prevent staff from working the normal workload of the AHA and in the long run hurt all of us by costing resources.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: macbrews on January 12, 2014, 05:07:15 AM

That makes sense that they'd keep you from gaming the system.

It actually doesn't make sense. How is a member going to bring a spouse or friend that is interested in homebrewing? And how is AHA going to handle the fact that when a member gets through the lottery and their partner doesn't, that means that a whole flock of members are not going to follow through and register. This truly is the dumbest thing I've heard.

How is the system gamed by having the opportunity to obtain two spots?

Absolutely.  If my wife has to register and pay to be a member, then she should be allowed to have the same opportunity as I do or any one else. The fact that the cost of membership is discounted is moot.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Jimmy K on January 12, 2014, 05:17:19 AM

That makes sense that they'd keep you from gaming the system.

It actually doesn't make sense. How is a member going to bring a spouse or friend that is interested in homebrewing? And how is AHA going to handle the fact that when a member gets through the lottery and their partner doesn't, that means that a whole flock of members are not going to follow through and register. This truly is the dumbest thing I've heard.

How is the system gamed by having the opportunity to obtain two spots?

Absolutely.  If my wife has to register and pay to be a member, then she should be allowed to have the same opportunity as I do or any one else. The fact that the cost of membership is discounted is moot.
She has exactly the same chance of getting in as you or anyone else. Except she doesn't have to worry about getting in and you don't. It's the same probability - the only difference is that either both of you get in or neither do.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: brewmichigan on January 12, 2014, 03:03:50 PM
Fred, if I renew my membership and add my wife as a household membership, does she get an AHA number different than mine and the ability to go to the NHC with me?
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 12, 2014, 03:44:41 PM
Fred, if I renew my membership and add my wife as a household membership, does she get an AHA number different than mine and the ability to go to the NHC with me?
Mike, we have the family membership, and Susan's number is different than mine. I think the answer is yes.

Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on January 12, 2014, 04:05:02 PM
there are 2 real differences between a household/family membership and a "full" membership

1: Family membership is cheaper for the additional members
2: You will have to share your copy of Zymurgy.  Only 1 copy goes to a family membership.

I'll add on that Renewals add x years to your current membership, they are not x years from when you renew. They are an extension to your current membership.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 12, 2014, 04:59:11 PM
A few words
The 2014 NHC will be held in the DeVos center in Grand Rapids.  We have the entire center as I currently understand it so we have a lot of space. 

The Lottery.  A lot of thought went into this for the competition and the conference.  I believe you will see all Brewers Association events moving this way.  Why?  First and foremost, most ticket agencies can handle 10,000 requests in an hour, in the first 30 seconds --- No.  There will be no advantage to entering your request in the first hour.  Take your time, but also don't enter your request in the last half hour.  IMHO it is unfair to favor members that can be entering data into 10+ computers and hitting them as often and as quick as you can.    My hope is that we will not have to actually enter the "lottery" phase of buying tickets for the NHC.  Good luck to all.  You can blame me as a member of the Governing committee for this.  After a lot of discussion and input from AHA members this is the direction we decided to take to be fair to all.  As usual we will evaluate how well this worked and evaluate changes (if needed) for future events.

New this year is that all guests MUST be AHA members.  This can be a household membership which is (I believe) currently $22.  My wife wants to come so I have purchased this membership for her.

Last year, despite all the early problems, everyone that had expressed an interest in attending was given the opportunity.  The AHA refused no one to the current largest conference to date, Philly.  Offering more admissions, it is our hope that everyone that applies can attend. 

Pro-Brewers.  The welcome reception you all know about.  We are trying to spread the Pro's out throughout the conference and details are not finalized.

Thursday night on-the-town.  We have our Local Committee Staff working on that to ensure you can enjoy Beer City's hospitality.

Pre-Events:  We have some awesome tours in the process of being scheduled.  Bell's, Founders, plus many others.  Oh, and does anyone out there like sour beers? . . . . . . . .

Sour beers? This place is a two hour drive according to Google. Nice pictures.
http://photos.mlive.com/8002564/gallery/photo_gallery_-_brewing_at_jol/index.html#/0
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: brewmichigan on January 12, 2014, 05:05:02 PM
there are 2 real differences between a household/family membership and a "full" membership

1: Family membership is cheaper for the additional members
2: You will have to share your copy of Zymurgy.  Only 1 copy goes to a family membership.

I'll add on that Renewals add x years to your current membership, they are not x years from when you renew. They are an extension to your current membership.

Thanks, I'll get her a family membership this week and renew mine.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on January 12, 2014, 05:14:28 PM
A few words
The 2014 NHC will be held in the DeVos center in Grand Rapids.  We have the entire center as I currently understand it so we have a lot of space. 

The Lottery.  A lot of thought went into this for the competition and the conference.  I believe you will see all Brewers Association events moving this way.  Why?  First and foremost, most ticket agencies can handle 10,000 requests in an hour, in the first 30 seconds --- No.  There will be no advantage to entering your request in the first hour.  Take your time, but also don't enter your request in the last half hour.  IMHO it is unfair to favor members that can be entering data into 10+ computers and hitting them as often and as quick as you can.    My hope is that we will not have to actually enter the "lottery" phase of buying tickets for the NHC.  Good luck to all.  You can blame me as a member of the Governing committee for this.  After a lot of discussion and input from AHA members this is the direction we decided to take to be fair to all.  As usual we will evaluate how well this worked and evaluate changes (if needed) for future events.

New this year is that all guests MUST be AHA members.  This can be a household membership which is (I believe) currently $22.  My wife wants to come so I have purchased this membership for her.

Last year, despite all the early problems, everyone that had expressed an interest in attending was given the opportunity.  The AHA refused no one to the current largest conference to date, Philly.  Offering more admissions, it is our hope that everyone that applies can attend. 

Pro-Brewers.  The welcome reception you all know about.  We are trying to spread the Pro's out throughout the conference and details are not finalized.

Thursday night on-the-town.  We have our Local Committee Staff working on that to ensure you can enjoy Beer City's hospitality.

Pre-Events:  We have some awesome tours in the process of being scheduled.  Bell's, Founders, plus many others.  Oh, and does anyone out there like sour beers? . . . . . . . .

Sour beers? This place is a two hour drive according to Google. Nice pictures.
http://photos.mlive.com/8002564/gallery/photo_gallery_-_brewing_at_jol/index.html#/0

Did I say only stop. . . . . . . .

Seriously, we are working on some awesome pre-event tours,  Come early and enjoy them. 



Grand Rapids,  Beer City USA 2 years in a row.
You will enjoy this one.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on January 14, 2014, 05:11:13 PM
6 sites are up on the BJCP competition schedule.

KC - March 28/29
Philly - March 28/29
San Diego - 4/4
Seattle - 4/4
St. Paul - 4/11
Denver? - 4/11

I would guess that the remaining sites have not nailed down something with the AHA yet.

bummer, sounds like Tulsa is not a region this year.  I would have sent my stuff there again.  KC it is I guess!
also, just to update Amanda's post, Philly is now listed as the weekend of 4/4 on the BJCP site.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: AmandaK on January 14, 2014, 05:34:15 PM

bummer, sounds like Tulsa is not a region this year.  I would have sent my stuff there again.  KC it is I guess!


Oh, c'mon! You know that we're a good host city!  ;D :P
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: guido on January 14, 2014, 10:24:55 PM
A few words
The 2014 NHC will be held in the DeVos center in Grand Rapids.  We have the entire center as I currently understand it so we have a lot of space. 

The Lottery.  A lot of thought went into this for the competition and the conference.  I believe you will see all Brewers Association events moving this way.  Why?  First and foremost, most ticket agencies can handle 10,000 requests in an hour, in the first 30 seconds --- No.  There will be no advantage to entering your request in the first hour.  Take your time, but also don't enter your request in the last half hour.  IMHO it is unfair to favor members that can be entering data into 10+ computers and hitting them as often and as quick as you can.    My hope is that we will not have to actually enter the "lottery" phase of buying tickets for the NHC.  Good luck to all.  You can blame me as a member of the Governing committee for this.  After a lot of discussion and input from AHA members this is the direction we decided to take to be fair to all.  As usual we will evaluate how well this worked and evaluate changes (if needed) for future events.

New this year is that all guests MUST be AHA members.  This can be a household membership which is (I believe) currently $22.  My wife wants to come so I have purchased this membership for her.

Last year, despite all the early problems, everyone that had expressed an interest in attending was given the opportunity.  The AHA refused no one to the current largest conference to date, Philly.  Offering more admissions, it is our hope that everyone that applies can attend. 

Pro-Brewers.  The welcome reception you all know about.  We are trying to spread the Pro's out throughout the conference and details are not finalized.

Thursday night on-the-town.  We have our Local Committee Staff working on that to ensure you can enjoy Beer City's hospitality.

Pre-Events:  We have some awesome tours in the process of being scheduled.  Bell's, Founders, plus many others.  Oh, and does anyone out there like sour beers? . . . . . . . .

Sour beers? This place is a two hour drive according to Google. Nice pictures.
http://photos.mlive.com/8002564/gallery/photo_gallery_-_brewing_at_jol/index.html#/0

Did I say only stop. . . . . . . .

Seriously, we are working on some awesome pre-event tours,  Come early and enjoy them. 



Grand Rapids,  Beer City USA 2 years in a row.
You will enjoy this one.

Perhaps a pub crawl could be arranged for Thursday evening after the Toast/Reception.  I know the idea was floated for Philly last year.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: james on January 14, 2014, 11:52:20 PM

Perhaps a pub crawl could be arranged for Thursday evening after the Toast/Reception.  I know the idea was floated for Philly last year.

A pub crawl with hundreds of your closest friends
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: morticaixavier on January 15, 2014, 03:37:44 AM

Perhaps a pub crawl could be arranged for Thursday evening after the Toast/Reception.  I know the idea was floated for Philly last year.

A pub crawl with hundreds of your closest friends

look out grand rapids
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: guido on January 15, 2014, 10:32:00 AM

Perhaps a pub crawl could be arranged for Thursday evening after the Toast/Reception.  I know the idea was floated for Philly last year.

A pub crawl with hundreds of your closest friends

My closest, bestest, newest friends...
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: brewmichigan on January 15, 2014, 03:47:06 PM

Perhaps a pub crawl could be arranged for Thursday evening after the Toast/Reception.  I know the idea was floated for Philly last year.

A pub crawl with hundreds of your closest friends

My closest, bestest, newest friends...

There will be plenty to crawl to as well. The organizing committee is making sure the local breweries are going to be very involved in this one. I'm just worried about my Two Hearted. I can see thousands of cases leaving the state that weekend.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on January 16, 2014, 02:50:00 PM

KC - March 28/29
Philly - March 28/29
San Diego - 4/4
Seattle - 4/4
St. Paul - 4/11
Denver? - 4/11

I would guess that the remaining sites have not nailed down something with the AHA yet.

updating, 12 sites now appear on the BJCP competition list.

3/28:  Kansas City, Austin, NYC, Nashville
4/4:   Philly, San Diego, Seattle, Zanesville, Sacramento
4/11:  Denver, St Paul, Chicago

hopefully the dates stick but looks like all the sites are at least decided.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dbarber on January 16, 2014, 06:13:45 PM

KC - March 28/29
Philly - March 28/29
San Diego - 4/4
Seattle - 4/4
St. Paul - 4/11
Denver? - 4/11

I would guess that the remaining sites have not nailed down something with the AHA yet.

updating, 12 sites now appear on the BJCP competition list.

3/28:  Kansas City, Austin, NYC, Nashville
4/4:   Philly, San Diego, Seattle, Zanesville, Sacramento
4/11:  Denver, St Paul, Chicago

hopefully the dates stick but looks like all the sites are at least decided.

Interesting that they have both NYC and Philly, since those comps would pull from the same judge pool.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dkfick on January 16, 2014, 06:18:57 PM

KC - March 28/29
Philly - March 28/29
San Diego - 4/4
Seattle - 4/4
St. Paul - 4/11
Denver? - 4/11

I would guess that the remaining sites have not nailed down something with the AHA yet.

updating, 12 sites now appear on the BJCP competition list.

3/28:  Kansas City, Austin, NYC, Nashville
4/4:   Philly, San Diego, Seattle, Zanesville, Sacramento
4/11:  Denver, St Paul, Chicago

hopefully the dates stick but looks like all the sites are at least decided.

Interesting that they have both NYC and Philly, since those comps would pull from the same judge pool.
Same with Zanesville and Chicago... I think that's why they are staggered... Though that's alot of judging to do 2 weekends in a row... but there are lots of people in those areas that want entries... Hopefully enough judges sign up.  I am planning on judging in either Zanesville or Chicago.. but probably not both as they are both a 3-4 hour drive for me.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 16, 2014, 06:21:24 PM
Zanesville for me, have a conflict the Chicago weekend.



Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on January 16, 2014, 06:33:32 PM

KC - March 28/29
Philly - March 28/29
San Diego - 4/4
Seattle - 4/4
St. Paul - 4/11
Denver? - 4/11

I would guess that the remaining sites have not nailed down something with the AHA yet.

updating, 12 sites now appear on the BJCP competition list.

3/28:  Kansas City, Austin, NYC, Nashville
4/4:   Philly, San Diego, Seattle, Zanesville, Sacramento
4/11:  Denver, St Paul, Chicago

hopefully the dates stick but looks like all the sites are at least decided.

Interesting that they have both NYC and Philly, since those comps would pull from the same judge pool.

How about Austin, one week after Bluebonnet - Could be interesting.  I recall Dallas in 2011 when very few of their judges showed up; burnt out after Bluebonnet I guess.  I'm sure this year will go better but it will likely limit their pool of willing judges a bit.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on January 21, 2014, 09:10:19 PM
question:  will the banquet have a separate lottery?

In other words, could you get through a conference lottery and, if the banquet room isn't big enough for demand, still miss out on the banquet?  I think there were about 2K at the banquet last year, out of 3.5K+ total?

thanks.



Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on January 21, 2014, 09:24:33 PM
question:  will the banquet have a separate lottery?

In other words, could you get through a conference lottery and, if the banquet room isn't big enough for demand, still miss out on the banquet?  I think there were about 2K at the banquet last year, out of 3.5K+ total?

thanks.
Details are not finalized so the sure answer first.  If everyone who registered requested a dinner I would not expect everyone to get a dinner seat.

I expect the dinner to be associated with your conference registration so the first xxxx to request a dinner will get one.  If you have a "guest" AHA member you both would go or not go together.

I am not expecting a separate lottery for the dinner.

Again if everyone puts down their true wishes we will have a great benchmark for future conferences.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: tappr on January 23, 2014, 03:00:47 PM
What is the impact of this lottery system going to be on club night?

For example, take my club - we're a small club in central WI with about 40 members.  We have about 8 of us interested in attending NHC this year and would like to do both the hospitality suite and club night.

We've determined that we need at least 4 people to participate in these activities.

So 8 of us put in for the lottery.  What if only 3 of us get tickets?  Sounds like I can't take another member because I would not be able to list that members as my guest when initially registering (since that person would already be putting their name in)

Honestly, I don't want to go if we can't ALL go.

So now we're considering just pulling out all together. 

I wish something for groups willing to participate would have been figured into all of this.  10 guaranteed tickets or something like that per club offering to bring beer for club night and/or hospitality suite.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: morticaixavier on January 23, 2014, 03:14:58 PM
What is the impact of this lottery system going to be on club night?

For example, take my club - we're a small club in central WI with about 40 members.  We have about 8 of us interested in attending NHC this year and would like to do both the hospitality suite and club night.

We've determined that we need at least 4 people to participate in these activities.

So 8 of us put in for the lottery.  What if only 3 of us get tickets?  Sounds like I can't take another member because I would not be able to list that members as my guest when initially registering (since that person would already be putting their name in)

Honestly, I don't want to go if we can't ALL go.

So now we're considering just pulling out all together. 

I wish something for groups willing to participate would have been figured into all of this.  10 guaranteed tickets or something like that per club offering to bring beer for club night and/or hospitality suite.

I think that you should hold off on any decision like that. we don't know that the lottery for attendance at NHC will even be implemented yet. and if it's implemented what the actual overrun is. If the conference is going to sell out and leave folks in the cold anyway does it matter if it happens in a lottery vs. a mad dash to the website?
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: tappr on January 23, 2014, 03:25:59 PM
What is the impact of this lottery system going to be on club night?

For example, take my club - we're a small club in central WI with about 40 members.  We have about 8 of us interested in attending NHC this year and would like to do both the hospitality suite and club night.

We've determined that we need at least 4 people to participate in these activities.

So 8 of us put in for the lottery.  What if only 3 of us get tickets?  Sounds like I can't take another member because I would not be able to list that members as my guest when initially registering (since that person would already be putting their name in)

Honestly, I don't want to go if we can't ALL go.

So now we're considering just pulling out all together. 

I wish something for groups willing to participate would have been figured into all of this.  10 guaranteed tickets or something like that per club offering to bring beer for club night and/or hospitality suite.

I think that you should hold off on any decision like that. we don't know that the lottery for attendance at NHC will even be implemented yet. and if it's implemented what the actual overrun is. If the conference is going to sell out and leave folks in the cold anyway does it matter if it happens in a lottery vs. a mad dash to the website?

How do you propose we hold off on making such a decision?  I assume if we put in for the lottery that any of us that get chosen will be billed immediately.  I don't want tickets if the other guys can't go.  Granted, I can probably sell them easily but why bother with the headache?

Again, I wish the AHA had considered the impact to activities that require several in a club to pull off.  I'd like to see some kind of group/club volunteer option in the future guaranteeing tickets.  It's in the best interest of AHA to be sure they have clubs show up with beer.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: AmandaK on January 23, 2014, 03:36:00 PM
I assume if we put in for the lottery that any of us that get chosen will be billed immediately.

I'm not sure that is a good assumption. Anyone want to chime in that knows more?
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: morticaixavier on January 23, 2014, 03:42:06 PM
What is the impact of this lottery system going to be on club night?

For example, take my club - we're a small club in central WI with about 40 members.  We have about 8 of us interested in attending NHC this year and would like to do both the hospitality suite and club night.

We've determined that we need at least 4 people to participate in these activities.

So 8 of us put in for the lottery.  What if only 3 of us get tickets?  Sounds like I can't take another member because I would not be able to list that members as my guest when initially registering (since that person would already be putting their name in)

Honestly, I don't want to go if we can't ALL go.

So now we're considering just pulling out all together. 

I wish something for groups willing to participate would have been figured into all of this.  10 guaranteed tickets or something like that per club offering to bring beer for club night and/or hospitality suite.

I think that you should hold off on any decision like that. we don't know that the lottery for attendance at NHC will even be implemented yet. and if it's implemented what the actual overrun is. If the conference is going to sell out and leave folks in the cold anyway does it matter if it happens in a lottery vs. a mad dash to the website?

How do you propose we hold off on making such a decision?  I assume if we put in for the lottery that any of us that get chosen will be billed immediately.  I don't want tickets if the other guys can't go.  Granted, I can probably sell them easily but why bother with the headache?

Again, I wish the AHA had considered the impact to activities that require several in a club to pull off.  I'd like to see some kind of group/club volunteer option in the future guaranteeing tickets.  It's in the best interest of AHA to be sure they have clubs show up with beer.

you are assuming a lot. if you are selected and your friends are not you can at very least resell your tickets. and that's even assuming that anyone doesn't get a ticket.

but my main point is that there was no guarantee last year that you would all get in. it's just that last year you did or didn't make it based on how quickly you managed to get signed up.

if it turns out that significantly less clubs are available for club night and that is a problem I'm sure the Governing Committee will take that into account in future years but to assume there is going to be a huge problem way ahead of anything actually happens just spreads stress and doesn't accomplish anything.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: morticaixavier on January 23, 2014, 03:43:26 PM
I assume if we put in for the lottery that any of us that get chosen will be billed immediately.

I'm not sure that is a good assumption. Anyone want to chime in that knows more?

It looks like it will

Quote from: NHC Website
Payment is required at the time of registration. Payment is processed automatically once the registration period is finalized.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: brewmichigan on January 23, 2014, 03:45:40 PM
I assume if we put in for the lottery that any of us that get chosen will be billed immediately.

I'm not sure that is a good assumption. Anyone want to chime in that knows more?

It looks like it will

Quote from: NHC Website
Payment is required at the time of registration. Payment is processed automatically once the registration period is finalized.

I'm wondering though if you get selected and lets say your buddies don't, can you refuse the invitation or does your payment info get taken before you're accepted?
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: morticaixavier on January 23, 2014, 03:47:55 PM
I assume if we put in for the lottery that any of us that get chosen will be billed immediately.

I'm not sure that is a good assumption. Anyone want to chime in that knows more?

It looks like it will

Quote from: NHC Website
Payment is required at the time of registration. Payment is processed automatically once the registration period is finalized.

I'm wondering though if you get selected and lets say your buddies don't, can you refuse the invitation or does your payment info get taken before you're accepted?

I would hope so but it does not say it on the first page there on the NHC website. I didn't dig deeper. it makes sense that they are doing this way though. I think someone actually posted a suggestion about this. Without a financial commitment, even if just temporary, people might flood the open registration period. I don't know if that would actually happen but I can see the concern.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: brewmichigan on January 23, 2014, 03:53:30 PM
I think what we're experiencing here is the growing pains of our organization. You can't expect to grow like this has without some issues and we're starting to experience them now. Going from 1,800 to 3,400 from Seattle to Philly was huge and now 4,000. I think the AHA is doing their best to make sure the people who really want to go get to go but no matter what, someone will always feel left out.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on January 23, 2014, 03:57:52 PM
I like the way you put that Jonathan.

To be clear, I am co-chairing the Mashing in Michigan 2014 Grand Rapids Conference.  This means I know more of what is going on than most, some I can talk about, some I can't (contracts etc.)

Talking with staff, the best guess is that a lottery WILL NOT BE NECESSARY.  If it is needed we will be ready.

What will happen.
(This is preliminary until the AHA staff releases details on the website.)

The application is the basic unit here, and includes your guest.  You will not be split from your guest.

There will be an "Application Window" in late February.  I have tentative dates but cannot release them at this time.
During the "Application Window" you will have a full week, weekdays and weekend to register.  When you register will have NO IMPACT on the order of drawing, it will be (IF needed) a blind drawing.  Now go back and reread that the best guess is that a lottery WILL NOT BE NECESSARY. 

Based on the way beer events have been happening around the country is that without this "Application Window" everyone would be afraid of missing out and would apply within the first 5 minutes of opening.  We all saw last year that this model causes all kinds of issues.  If your job is such that you cannot signup during the day you would not be able to signup.  We didn't like this.  So to prevent this (again the best guess is that a lottery WILL NOT BE NECESSARY) we chose to implement the "Application Window".

If things go as planned EVERYONE that applied during the "Application Window" will get notice that their application has been accepted.  If not, because we are over the capacity for this event, A blind drawing will occur.

During the Application Window you will fill out all the details for the conference, are you BJCP, Going to the Dinner, AHA number, Judging in the final round, volunteering (various activities during the conference (pouring etc,) and then repeat for your AHA member guest. No financial info will be collected at this time.

The registration Database will be checked for duplicates and duplicates will be eliminated.

When you get your acceptance you will have a minimum of 2 business days plus a full weekend to complete your registration and provide financial info to actually purchase your admission.  You will not be able to change your guest or other details.

The AHA staff will try to include everyone, even if it slightly exceeds the numbers you have heard.

Please enter your information if you are planning to go.  This will provide a benchmark for the AHA to better gauge demand for the event.  This means that in the future we will be better able to predict the required size of the facility.  This is done years in advance of the event.

Last year, despite all the problems, at the largest event to date, EVERYONE that had tried to purchase a ticket had the opportunity to do so.  The AHA denied NONE.

As always we will look at any and all issues that come up for the purpose of making the next conference even better.

Fred
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: morticaixavier on January 23, 2014, 04:04:16 PM
Thank you Fred!
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on January 23, 2014, 05:07:43 PM
I assume if we put in for the lottery that any of us that get chosen will be billed immediately.

I'm not sure that is a good assumption. Anyone want to chime in that knows more?

Bad Assumption, see my post above
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: AmandaK on January 23, 2014, 05:28:51 PM
I assume if we put in for the lottery that any of us that get chosen will be billed immediately.

I'm not sure that is a good assumption. Anyone want to chime in that knows more?

Bad Assumption, see my post above

Thank you Fred. I think we all owe you a beer!
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on January 23, 2014, 05:45:01 PM
so if it happens (a lottery) it seems more likely that 7/8 club members would get picked, than 3/8.  There is an excellent chance the other person can do what I did last year - contact a ticket seller, send 'em some $, they contact the AHA to have it transferred, and you're in the NHC.

...let's give this a chance to play out.  if it is a disaster, I'll be right with you at the front of the line loading the Molotov cocktail into our homemade catapult.  ;)
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bluesman on January 23, 2014, 05:49:22 PM

Last year, despite all the problems, at the largest event to date, EVERYONE that had tried to purchase a ticket had the opportunity to do so.  The AHA denied NONE.

As always we will look at any and all issues that come up for the purpose of making the next conference even better.

Fred

Definitely worth noting again.

Thanks for the update Fred.



Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on January 23, 2014, 06:20:45 PM
As always we will look at any and all issues that come up for the purpose of making the next conference even better.

Fred

And that will be where?  ;)
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on January 23, 2014, 06:25:20 PM
As always we will look at any and all issues that come up for the purpose of making the next conference even better.

Fred

And that will be where?  ;)
I think I'll be able to tell you by the end of the month, maybe.  Befor that and I'll have to shoot you  ;)
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dbeechum on January 26, 2014, 06:22:17 AM
It was announced today - 2015 NHC will be in San Diego.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: klickitat jim on January 26, 2014, 08:42:53 AM
Sweet?!
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on January 26, 2014, 01:41:18 PM
Thanks for the heads-up Drew.  Appreciate having this available before competition and especially conference registration.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 26, 2014, 01:53:20 PM
Will look forward to it, had a great time in 2011.

A niece lives not too far away, and we have friends in OC. Many things we would like to see and do out there.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on January 26, 2014, 02:56:28 PM
This seems like a good place to ask for your help.

The NHC location is decided years in advance and always has had a local committee behind it.
We, the AHA and GC are always looking for new locations that can handle our new size.  And with a favorable contract.  The AHA/BA Events staff will work out those details, but we would love to be aware of more locations that can handle our event in future years.

We are prepared to handle 4000 this year (2014) in Michigan, and with the AHA's growth, and the growth of brewing in general it is normal to expect future conferences to be bigger.  Please suggest facilities around the country that can handle us. 

To help with the above, if you plan on attending Mashing in Michigan in 2014, Please register during the upcoming window.  Please don't let your thoughts on any of the changes stop you.  This will give us our first solid benchmark on demand in quite a while. 

Fred
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Stevie on January 26, 2014, 05:27:34 PM
Both Dallas and Austin have very large convention centers and plenty of hotel space. But, I'm sure Texas has some blue law that would make it near impossible.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on January 26, 2014, 05:36:03 PM
Thanks Steve, 

We hope to be there in the future but (and we are working on it) there are some legal speed bumps to be overcome first. 

Thanks for the input.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Stevie on January 26, 2014, 05:47:02 PM
Figured. Beer feats here cannot be all you can drink. What I normally see is admission gets 12 tastes, and additional tastes are $2. And you can't buy a car on Sunday.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: denny on January 26, 2014, 06:17:38 PM
Both Dallas and Austin have very large convention centers and plenty of hotel space. But, I'm sure Texas has some blue law that would make it near impossible.

We've looked into Austin but there was some issue I can't recall.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on January 27, 2014, 01:40:43 PM
It was announced today - 2015 NHC will be in San Diego.
I knew it was going to be California.  Someone let it slip last week on the Brewing Network when they were talking to Gary about the CA Homebrew law.

At the same place....Town & Country?  This may well be my first visit to California!
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Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 27, 2014, 02:19:32 PM
Both Dallas and Austin have very large convention centers and plenty of hotel space. But, I'm sure Texas has some blue law that would make it near impossible.

We've looked into Austin but there was some issue I can't recall.

"Grand Rapids beat out several cities for the event, including Austin, Texas, which was knocked out by strict liquor-control laws that prevented further consideration."

Link
http://www.grbj.com/articles/75647-beer-association-taps-grand-rapids-for-national-convention


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Post by: bluesman on January 27, 2014, 05:41:03 PM
San Diego is an exciting beer town. Can't wait!

As craft beer slowly establishes a better grip on the overall beer market, this will help open up more doors/opportunities for NHC host cities. It's great to see our hobby expand/grow as fast it has, even with the growing pains.
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Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 27, 2014, 06:02:12 PM
I hear Denver has a big convention center.





I kid, I kid. Might have to go to the GABF someday.
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Post by: jeffy on January 27, 2014, 08:16:41 PM
I hear Denver has a big convention center.





I kid, I kid. Might have to go to the GABF someday.

It's more fun at the NHC, but a lot of beer stuff going on there at GABF.
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Post by: klickitat jim on January 28, 2014, 12:38:40 AM
Mrs Klickitat is all exited about SD. Looks like we're going early staying late, so we can do sea world, zoo, etc. Would be cool to visit MCRD for a walk down memory lane.
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Post by: Herminator on January 29, 2014, 10:26:52 PM
Just told my partner about SD next year.  She was pumped!  Also, since Michigan is home for us...(GR is where we went to college) we are excited to hopefully make the trip from CO back to MI for HBC. 

Quick question about the Grand Banquet & Awards Ceremony.  Is this worth attending?  What is the general event like/for....obviously assuming it is an awards ceremony.  Is it worth for an average homebrewer and non-comp entry to attend? 

Cheers!
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Post by: Jimmy K on January 30, 2014, 01:06:59 AM
Quick question about the Grand Banquet & Awards Ceremony.  Is this worth attending?  What is the general event like/for....obviously assuming it is an awards ceremony.  Is it worth for an average homebrewer and non-comp entry to attend? 
The dinner is great. Several courses of beer-centric food, made with beer, paired with beer from a partnered commercial brewery. Last year it was Rogue and the chef said they used like 7 kegs to cook with.
The awards is fun, but like any other awards. Long. We knew people in the final round, so that made it exciting.
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Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 30, 2014, 01:16:07 AM
Quick question about the Grand Banquet & Awards Ceremony.  Is this worth attending?  What is the general event like/for....obviously assuming it is an awards ceremony.  Is it worth for an average homebrewer and non-comp entry to attend? 
The dinner is great. Several courses of beer-centric food, made with beer, paired with beer from a partnered commercial brewery. Last year it was Rogue and the chef said they used like 7 kegs to cook with.
The awards is fun, but like any other awards. Long. We knew people in the final round, so that made it exciting.

It has been Rogue as the sponsor for the banquet as long as I have been going.

Sean Paxton is the consulting chef for the banquet. Last year was under the years that he had done it before. The local hotel/convention center kitchen has to execute.
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Post by: theDarkSide on January 30, 2014, 02:50:31 AM
Last year was a little underwhelming, but Seattle's dinner was great!

I always see a few people leave after the dinner since they have no vested interest in the awards.  The past two years, I've always enjoyed meeting and talking with people at my table.  I feel it's definitely worth it just for the energy in the room, with homebrewers cheering for someone they've never met.  Dave Barber and the Leigh Valley table last year was great to watch.
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Post by: dbarber on January 30, 2014, 01:56:42 PM
Dave Barber and the Leigh Valley table last year was great to watch.

We did have fun!! 

I agree that last years dinner was not as good as previous dinners, both Seattle and San Diego were excellent.
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Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 30, 2014, 02:30:05 PM
If you have a beer in the second round, you are paying attention. If your friend(s) win a medal, you are geeked for them. If someone you know wins one of the big awards, it is even better!

If you get to walk across the stage yourself, it is a blur, but somehow you don't ever forget it.
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Post by: MDixon on January 30, 2014, 02:35:36 PM
I wish everyone would stop being so nice about last year's banquet meal. Worst entree I've ever had at an AHA Conference.
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Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 30, 2014, 02:37:28 PM
I wish everyone would stop being so nice about last year's banquet meal. Worst entree I've ever had at an AHA Conference.
Salad was good. Desert was excellent. The entree was in bad rubber chicken territory. Agreed.
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Post by: theDarkSide on January 30, 2014, 02:51:43 PM
So what is the most quintessential cuisine for Grand Rapids?  That part of MI has a large German population, doesn't it? 

I wonder if German food and beer pairs well? ;)
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Post by: udubdawg on January 30, 2014, 02:58:13 PM
So what is the most quintessential cuisine for Grand Rapids? 

issues with last year's dinner aside, NHC desserts have been awesome and I hope to see some apple or blueberry or tart cherry represented this year...

speaking of apples, Fred have we got any pro cidermakers showing up? 

damnit now I'm thirsty at 9am.
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Post by: Herminator on January 30, 2014, 03:37:42 PM
Good to know.  West Michigan has a large German and Dutch population....so it might be a good fit.  Also, it wouldn't be a Michigan dessert if it didn't highlight cherries.  ha. 

Damn....now I am hungry and thirsty too udubdawg!   
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Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 30, 2014, 03:50:34 PM
Fred and Crispy asked the signature Michigan ingredient question of the local clubs around the state, so as to give Sean some ideas. Don't know the final result.

I would love whitefish, but getting that much for one meal might be hard.

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Post by: james on January 30, 2014, 04:46:26 PM
Pasties for entree!
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Post by: morticaixavier on January 30, 2014, 04:47:12 PM
Pasties for entree!

I assume you mean the hand held savory pie rather than the... well 'clothing' item?
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Post by: HoosierBrew on January 30, 2014, 04:48:54 PM
My mind went in the same direction too.    ;D
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Post by: james on January 30, 2014, 04:49:45 PM
Pasties for entree!

I assume you mean the hand held savory pie rather than the... well 'clothing' item?

I'm originally from Michigan, so I wasn't aware of the nipple variety till I was older
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Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 30, 2014, 04:50:55 PM
Pasties for entree!

I assume you mean the hand held savory pie rather than the... well 'clothing' item?
Spelling is a little different, right? Well I guess not, had to look it up.

I do have an old Tom Waits song running through my head right now.
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Post by: Herminator on January 30, 2014, 05:08:00 PM
My mind went in the same direction too.    ;D

bahahaha....pasties (the correct spelling) would be a good option and/or a fish option. 

Now...coming up with a vegan option with Michigan themed ingredients would be more difficult.  But my fingers are crossed. 
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Post by: dbarber on January 30, 2014, 06:39:26 PM
I wish everyone would stop being so nice about last year's banquet meal. Worst entree I've ever had at an AHA Conference.

Based on my sample size of 4, I would agree.
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Post by: dkfick on January 30, 2014, 07:20:21 PM
Yeah I was left with some egg on my face after the Philly meal... Kept telling my friends how great it would be... then that overcooked pretzel thing came out...
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Post by: jeffy on January 30, 2014, 09:20:34 PM
Yeah I was left with some egg on my face after the Philly meal... Kept telling my friends how great it would be... then that overcooked pretzel thing came out...

Same here.  I had everybody expecting the best meal ever, regaling them about Seattle's fantastic menu.
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Post by: dbeechum on January 30, 2014, 10:36:48 PM
Yeah, the hotel executed poorly on the pretzel thing - it's unfortunate, but still a 1 out of 4 miss on dinners the size of these banquets is pretty damn amazing. (And even if the pretzel dish didn't score as well as his previous dinners - that was far and away not even close to the worst I've had at an AHA conference)
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Post by: guido on January 30, 2014, 11:30:32 PM
Yeah I was left with some egg on my face after the Philly meal... Kept telling my friends how great it would be... then that overcooked pretzel thing came out...

My wife and I are pretty discerning diners.  We didn't think our "pretzel thingy" was over cooked.  I did, however, have low expectations.  I thought the banquet at my last conference (Minneapolis) was mediocre at best.
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Post by: dkfick on February 19, 2014, 06:07:36 PM
Well getting the application in was pretty painless... Except I couldn't remember the girlfriend's BJCP number ;D
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Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 19, 2014, 06:08:51 PM
No drama or angst today, 2 registered in a painless fashion.
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Post by: theDarkSide on February 19, 2014, 06:22:20 PM
I notice that they will print your club name or company on your badge if you want.

Anyone considering also including the AHA Forum name for easy identification at the Conference?  Mine is the same as my Brewing Network forum name, so it would serve a dual purpose.
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Post by: Herminator on February 19, 2014, 08:31:00 PM
It was rather easy.  Now we wait.  Didn't think about forum name, as I only put the club name.  Hopefully we can get a running tally of those attending who are on the forum. 

Cheers!
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Post by: AmandaK on February 19, 2014, 08:47:28 PM
Anyone considering also including the AHA Forum name for easy identification at the Conference?

If someone can't figure out mine... well, too bad!  ;D
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Post by: Dave_in_Indiana on February 21, 2014, 01:11:54 AM
Anyone have a problem getting the form changed from 1 to 2 to get an extra banquet ticket?  My wife is not a member but will attend the banquet with me, but couldn't get the form to change.
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Post by: bonjour on February 21, 2014, 03:46:00 AM
A change this year, ALL attendees must be AHA members.   I signed my wife up with a household membership for this reason.
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Each member applying to register may request ONE guest registration.
Additional registration fees are required for a guest.
All guests must also be members of the AHA.
A valid 9-digit AHA member number for each registrant and guest will be required.
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Post by: Jimmy K on February 21, 2014, 04:05:22 PM
Anyone have a problem getting the form changed from 1 to 2 to get an extra banquet ticket?  My wife is not a member but will attend the banquet with me, but couldn't get the form to change.
I had no problems. Maybe try a different browser.
 
And as bonjour said, she'll need to be an AHA member. You'll also have to pay for full registration for her as the banquet is only for conference attendees.
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Post by: bluesman on February 21, 2014, 05:34:54 PM
I'm looking forward to Grand Rapids...Beer City USA!

http://www.michigan.org/blog/guest-blogger/three-reasons-why-grand-rapids-is-beer-city-usa/
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Post by: Dave_in_Indiana on February 21, 2014, 05:36:08 PM
A change this year, ALL attendees must be AHA members.   I signed my wife up with a household membership for this reason.
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Each member applying to register may request ONE guest registration.
Additional registration fees are required for a guest.
All guests must also be members of the AHA.
A valid 9-digit AHA member number for each registrant and guest will be required.

Wow.  Did not know that.  Thought I could just pay for a banquet ticket for her since she doesn't want to join AHA.
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Post by: udubdawg on February 21, 2014, 05:59:38 PM
A change this year, ALL attendees must be AHA members.   I signed my wife up with a household membership for this reason.
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Each member applying to register may request ONE guest registration.
Additional registration fees are required for a guest.
All guests must also be members of the AHA.
A valid 9-digit AHA member number for each registrant and guest will be required.

Wow.  Did not know that.  Thought I could just pay for a banquet ticket for her since she doesn't want to join AHA.

it's unfortunate, but not really a new thing.  They haven't had ala carte banquet tix for a while.  I asked about them both last year and the year before.  And, as long as we've got a huge conference with more than enough attendees to fill up the banquet, I admit it makes sense.
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Post by: Dave_in_Indiana on February 21, 2014, 07:15:09 PM
A change this year, ALL attendees must be AHA members.   I signed my wife up with a household membership for this reason.
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Each member applying to register may request ONE guest registration.
Additional registration fees are required for a guest.
All guests must also be members of the AHA.
A valid 9-digit AHA member number for each registrant and guest will be required.

Wow.  Did not know that.  Thought I could just pay for a banquet ticket for her since she doesn't want to join AHA.

it's unfortunate, but not really a new thing.  They haven't had ala carte banquet tix for a while.  I asked about them both last year and the year before.  And, as long as we've got a huge conference with more than enough attendees to fill up the banquet, I admit it makes sense.

That's becomes a pretty expensive dinner ticket.  If I get drawn, I will probably have an extra banquet ticket to give away ...
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Post by: guido on February 24, 2014, 10:20:54 AM
With a few days left for conference registration, can the AHA tip its hand yet and say whether a lottery is inevitable or not.
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Post by: MDixon on February 24, 2014, 12:44:52 PM
I'd like to know as well. Seems like one airline is currently running a fare sale which will end very soon. ;)
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Post by: bonjour on February 24, 2014, 01:07:19 PM
I honestly don't know but if (I don't know) it wasn't no one has any idea if it will in the last days or not which leaves you in the same situation.  A ticket you can cancel in two weeks?  Am least ask.

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Post by: bonjour on February 24, 2014, 01:14:55 PM
Pre registration we thought it would be close. Heavy hit last year because it was the east coast so somewhat less pressure from locals this year vs growth. Hoping for 3999 this year and everyone getting in.

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Post by: Jimmy K on February 24, 2014, 01:38:02 PM
That's becomes a pretty expensive dinner ticket.  If I get drawn, I will probably have an extra banquet ticket to give away ...
You can email altitude tickets and they will remove the banquet from your request, but do that before the close.
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Post by: udubdawg on February 25, 2014, 10:39:59 PM
from conference web site..."Participating in Club Night does not secure you or your fellow club members a spot at the conference, please apply to register for the conference before February 28, 2014 if you plan to attend."

might wanna fix that date just to keep people happy that you've been consistent.

*edit* - a date by when a club needs to commit to Club Night would be great too, though I see no need for it yet.
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Post by: Pinski on February 25, 2014, 11:40:28 PM
Pasties for entree!

Yes, please!
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Post by: dkfick on February 27, 2014, 12:03:48 AM
So now... Anyone else wondering what the sample glass is going to be like this year?  I hope it goes back to a goblet like Seattle had.
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Post by: bonjour on February 27, 2014, 12:28:25 AM
I would love to see a goblet, betting . . . . .  I would bet against it.
My guess is High Gravity will supply the glass again.

Great Sponsor
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Post by: dkfick on February 27, 2014, 12:50:48 AM
I would love to see a goblet, betting . . . . .  I would bet against it.
My guess is High Gravity will supply the glass again.

Great Sponsor
In that case... High Gravity guys.... High Gravity beers are best enjoyed out of a snifter/goblet... just sayin ;-)
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Post by: Pinski on February 27, 2014, 01:33:50 AM
So now... Anyone else wondering what the sample glass is going to be like this year?  I hope it goes back to a goblet like Seattle had.

I love my Seattle Goblet. What was last year?
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Post by: dkfick on February 27, 2014, 02:12:21 AM
So now... Anyone else wondering what the sample glass is going to be like this year?  I hope it goes back to a goblet like Seattle had.

I love my Seattle Goblet. What was last year?
A straight sided glass. Kind of like a big shot glass.
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Post by: garc_mall on February 27, 2014, 02:13:06 AM
So now... Anyone else wondering what the sample glass is going to be like this year?  I hope it goes back to a goblet like Seattle had.

I love my Seattle Goblet. What was last year?

Basically a 6oz Nonick Pint style glass.
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Post by: narvin on February 27, 2014, 02:18:35 AM
A change this year, ALL attendees must be AHA members.   I signed my wife up with a household membership for this reason.
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Each member applying to register may request ONE guest registration.
Additional registration fees are required for a guest.
All guests must also be members of the AHA.
A valid 9-digit AHA member number for each registrant and guest will be required.

Wait, what?  I regestered the first day and when I signed my girlfriend up using my same number I didn't receive an error.  Is this going to mess up my registration?

I don't think "guest" is the right word to use if they have to be a member anyway.
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Post by: dkfick on February 27, 2014, 02:25:22 AM
A change this year, ALL attendees must be AHA members.   I signed my wife up with a household membership for this reason.
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Each member applying to register may request ONE guest registration.
Additional registration fees are required for a guest.
All guests must also be members of the AHA.
A valid 9-digit AHA member number for each registrant and guest will be required.

Wait, what?  I regestered the first day and when I signed my girlfriend up using my same number I didn't receive an error.  Is this going to mess up my registration?

I don't think "guest" is the right word to use if they have to be a member anyway.
I would think that would cause some sort of issue...
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Post by: bonjour on February 27, 2014, 02:41:01 AM
so we work on making it right.
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Post by: narvin on February 27, 2014, 02:41:57 AM
Thanks Fred! I don't mind signing her up for an AHA membership as long as this doesn't mess up my entry in the lottery.
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Post by: Jimmy K on February 27, 2014, 01:00:14 PM
It should be a teku
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Post by: theDarkSide on February 27, 2014, 01:31:19 PM
Now to wait for that email from Altitude Tickets.  At some point will the AHA say how many signed up and if a lottery was even necessary?
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Post by: bonjour on February 27, 2014, 01:32:23 PM
Yes they will

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Post by: bonjour on February 27, 2014, 02:28:18 PM
This was a very smooth process so far.  Much smoother than years past. 
Expect the total attendance to be announced at the event as usual. 

The data collected will be scrubbed for members (This is an AHA members only event) and duplicates.
After that the emails will go out.

Anyone else sign up a non-AHA member guest?

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Post by: bluesman on February 27, 2014, 05:35:35 PM
This was a very smooth process so far.  Much smoother than years past. 

This is GOOD news so far...  :)
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Post by: wsoublo on February 27, 2014, 07:40:55 PM
Fred,

Can you shed light on how many people registered vs will receive tickets, at least in percentages?

Thanks.



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Post by: bonjour on February 27, 2014, 07:52:15 PM
Not at this time.

The total number registered/attending will be announced at the conference.

I have asked for the details.  But knowing them and being able to post are two different things.  You know I'm as open as I can be.

Fred
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Post by: theDarkSide on February 27, 2014, 08:03:14 PM
You know I'm as open as I can be.

I don't know about that.  I rode with Fred in the van back to the airport from the Seattle NHC and mentioned to him that I heard at that time Michigan was going to be in 2014.  He shrugged and said it was news to him.  He must be one hell of a poker player!  ;D

Thanks for the info you given us Fred.  I think what people are looking for is whether there was a need for a lottery.  The AHA may want to release some sort of preliminary numbers to ease people's minds...but of course that's up to them. 

My finger is starting to hurt from all the clicking on Send and Receive today.  ;)
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Post by: udubdawg on February 27, 2014, 08:27:48 PM
I feel like if there's a lottery necessary we're going to have a ton of tickets changing hands.

I keep seeing forum/fb/etc comments from people to the effect of "I registered but I'm not sure yet if I can go."
...and they're talking about finances, vacation days, or just plain desire to go, not about making it through a lottery.

Kinda sucks when there are plenty of us in the "Shut up and take my money!" boat but I don't know what else can be done.   :-\

cheers--
--Michael

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Post by: Jimmy K on February 27, 2014, 08:38:22 PM
True. Some of that happened last year too though, with people buying under pressure and then realizing they can't go. At least this way they have a few days to figure it out. Hopefully, they'll do that and not buy if that's the case, opening those tickets up to others.
 
AHA could probably figure this out after the convention by looking at how many tickets changed hands - since every ticket transaction goes through them.
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Post by: dkfick on February 27, 2014, 08:43:20 PM
Yeah you can't change hands on the ticket without going through them... I wouldn't really see there being a difference between this year and last as far as that goes... assuming roughly the same percentage of people will change their plans etc... Registration had the same amount of leeway.  I guess there could be a case made for buyers remorse over the week after they applied and when they have to pay... But odds are the same people last year would have bought then had to sell them then too.
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Post by: udubdawg on February 27, 2014, 09:08:10 PM
Yeah you can't change hands on the ticket without going through them... I wouldn't really see there being a difference between this year and last as far as that goes... assuming roughly the same percentage of people will change their plans etc... Registration had the same amount of leeway.  I guess there could be a case made for buyers remorse over the week after they applied and when they have to pay... But odds are the same people last year would have bought then had to sell them then too.

got my 2013 ticket in May from an unfortunate soul who had not cleared it with his wife... 
(Mike, you still alive?)   ;D

side note: I appreciate how easy the AHA made it for him to sell me his ticket and inform them of the change.

...so obviously I wasn't talking about how the tickets change hands.  Just the perception that a lot of people registered that aren't that serious about it yet.  No credit card numbers taken yet.  No implied punishment for not following through and paying like with the competition.

we'll see...I have a feeling that we'll have a lottery but everyone on the wait list will get a spot either when others decide not to pay, or like I did last year.  So it'll work out.

cheers--
--Michael
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Jimmy K on February 27, 2014, 09:49:10 PM
...so obviously I wasn't talking about how the tickets change hands.
I know. I'm just saying they'll be able to compare if this lead to more exchanging later.
 
I can see some people signing up that don't really want to pay the $$ it takes to attend between the conference and hotel. Hopefully it's not too many, but I doubt they'll actually purchase without being serious.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: j25stew on February 28, 2014, 11:15:26 AM
Still waiting to hear if lotto system is needed? Also hotels seem to be costly in the area right next to the confrence. Looks like they plan to shuttle people in from further away. Not looking forward to a bus ride at midnight after club night.....
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on February 28, 2014, 01:28:16 PM
Still waiting to hear if lotto system is needed? Also hotels seem to be costly in the area right next to the confrence. Looks like they plan to shuttle people in from further away. Not looking forward to a bus ride at midnight after club night.....
They most likely have a block of rooms at a contracted price set aside which would not be available for booking until you register for the conference.  This is probably why the rooms left are pricier, because the available rooms left are few.
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Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 28, 2014, 02:11:28 PM
Still waiting to hear if lotto system is needed? Also hotels seem to be costly in the area right next to the confrence. Looks like they plan to shuttle people in from further away. Not looking forward to a bus ride at midnight after club night.....
Yes if you look online the rooms are high, there is a big conference going on that has blocks of rooms reserved at a conference rate.  :) as stated by thedarkside.

What were the publicly available room rates in Philly?

Edit - I was in GR last Saturday night, as we poured beer for a brewer friend at the MI Winter beer fest, which has about 7000 people when you include workers. Our usual hotel was expensive, compared to what we are used to. Be glad there is a negotiated conference rate that you will be able to reserve your room at.

Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on February 28, 2014, 02:20:07 PM
Guess what conference that is.   ;D

Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 28, 2014, 02:22:48 PM
Guess what conference that is.   ;D
It is a softball guess!
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Jimmy K on February 28, 2014, 02:47:59 PM
Still waiting to hear if lotto system is needed? Also hotels seem to be costly in the area right next to the confrence. Looks like they plan to shuttle people in from further away. Not looking forward to a bus ride at midnight after club night.....
The conference hotel rate will 'probably' be cheaper than rack rates. And the shuttles are for after capacity is reached at nearby hotels. I think there are four hotels directly connected to the convention center, those will be filled first (assuming blocks in all of them).
 
Disclaimer: I don't know anything official.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 28, 2014, 03:57:11 PM
Still waiting to hear if lotto system is needed? Also hotels seem to be costly in the area right next to the confrence. Looks like they plan to shuttle people in from further away. Not looking forward to a bus ride at midnight after club night.....
The conference hotel rate will 'probably' be cheaper than rack rates. And the shuttles are for after capacity is reached at nearby hotels. I think there are four hotels directly connected to the convention center, those will be filled first (assuming blocks in all of them).
 
Disclaimer: I don't know anything official.
There is another across the river, not connected.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on February 28, 2014, 03:59:06 PM
Still waiting to hear if lotto system is needed? Also hotels seem to be costly in the area right next to the confrence. Looks like they plan to shuttle people in from further away. Not looking forward to a bus ride at midnight after club night.....
The conference hotel rate will 'probably' be cheaper than rack rates. And the shuttles are for after capacity is reached at nearby hotels. I think there are four hotels directly connected to the convention center, those will be filled first (assuming blocks in all of them).
 
Disclaimer: I don't know anything official.
There is another across the river, not connected.
You want me to swim after club night?  Are you nuts?!?! ;D
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: hopfenundmalz on February 28, 2014, 04:14:49 PM
Still waiting to hear if lotto system is needed? Also hotels seem to be costly in the area right next to the confrence. Looks like they plan to shuttle people in from further away. Not looking forward to a bus ride at midnight after club night.....
The conference hotel rate will 'probably' be cheaper than rack rates. And the shuttles are for after capacity is reached at nearby hotels. I think there are four hotels directly connected to the convention center, those will be filled first (assuming blocks in all of them).
 
Disclaimer: I don't know anything official.
There is another across the river, not connected.
You want me to swim after club night?  Are you nuts?!?! ;D
Only if you can't stay on the Pearl St. Bridge.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 01, 2014, 03:20:46 PM
Great news!!!

http://www.ahaconference.org/news/registration-update/
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on March 01, 2014, 03:21:41 PM
The cat's out of the bab,

No Lotto is needed, all AHA members that applied are in.

http://www.ahaconference.org/news/registration-update/ (http://www.ahaconference.org/news/registration-update/)
Quote
We are excited to report that all AHA members who applied to attend the AHA National Homebrewers Conference are guaranteed a spot. So rest easy, and feel free to start making your travel plans to Grand Rapids—Beer City, USA.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 02, 2014, 04:44:25 PM
Can I assume since the registration is being handled by Altitude Tickets, that everyone's emails will go out at once and not staggered like the competition emails?

I'm extremely paranoid about accidentally deleting the email but I figure people will post here when the start registering. 
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Jimmy K on March 02, 2014, 07:35:21 PM
I think that is what the announcement said. Don't know about timing.

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Post by: Jimmy K on March 02, 2014, 07:36:58 PM
And there are extra spots still available, so I don't think you need worry. If you don't hear by Friday just email Janis.

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Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Herminator on March 03, 2014, 03:35:43 AM
The cat's out of the bab,

No Lotto is needed, all AHA members that applied are in.

http://www.ahaconference.org/news/registration-update/ (http://www.ahaconference.org/news/registration-update/)
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We are excited to report that all AHA members who applied to attend the AHA National Homebrewers Conference are guaranteed a spot. So rest easy, and feel free to start making your travel plans to Grand Rapids—Beer City, USA.


Fantastic!  This is great news.  See you all in Grand Rapids.  Cheers!
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Pinski on March 03, 2014, 07:30:03 AM
The cat's out of the bab,

No Lotto is needed, all AHA members that applied are in.

http://www.ahaconference.org/news/registration-update/ (http://www.ahaconference.org/news/registration-update/)
Quote
We are excited to report that all AHA members who applied to attend the AHA National Homebrewers Conference are guaranteed a spot. So rest easy, and feel free to start making your travel plans to Grand Rapids—Beer City, USA.


Fantastic!  This is great news.  See you all in Grand Rapids.  Cheers!

Flights are booked!
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Post by: dkfick on March 03, 2014, 01:16:57 PM
My flight is booked too... except my flight has 4 wheels and smells like beef jerky farts....
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: ranchovillabrew on March 03, 2014, 01:51:19 PM
My flight is booked too... except my flight has 4 wheels and smells like beef jerky farts....
sound like a terrible airline. Spirit?

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Post by: brewmichigan on March 03, 2014, 04:16:59 PM
My flight is booked too... except my flight has 4 wheels and smells like beef jerky farts....
sound like a terrible airline. Spirit?

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Ha! Spirit sucks.
My ride just needs to be gassed up and we're off. Can't wait!
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dkfick on March 03, 2014, 04:27:59 PM
My flight is booked too... except my flight has 4 wheels and smells like beef jerky farts....
sound like a terrible airline. Spirit?

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I would say yes but my luggage is unlikely to get lost.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: victorwi on March 03, 2014, 06:28:00 PM
Just got my email from Altitude - Conference is bought and paid for. Now the wait for the hotel email.  :-\
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 03, 2014, 07:20:03 PM
Just got my email from Altitude - Conference is bought and paid for. Now the wait for the hotel email.  :-\

That damn snowstorm must be blocking my email!  ;D
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: guido on March 03, 2014, 08:00:12 PM
Just got my email from Altitude - Conference is bought and paid for. Now the wait for the hotel email.  :-\

Same here.  I was sweating bullets with the timer running, even though I had 20 minutes.  Need a beer!
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: Pinski on March 03, 2014, 10:30:27 PM
Sweet, got a ticket and transportation. Just need a place to crash.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: klickitat jim on March 04, 2014, 01:48:22 AM
Sweet, got a ticket and transportation. Just need a place to crash.

If Southwestern, probably anywhere would be fine.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 04, 2014, 05:01:39 PM
Ok...halfway through day 2 of emails and all should be out before the end of today.  Should I start to worry?  Anyone else on here that registered still not received their email yet?
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on March 04, 2014, 05:48:25 PM
Ok...halfway through day 2 of emails and all should be out before the end of today.  Should I start to worry?  Anyone else on here that registered still not received their email yet?

you sure you haven't started yet?  ;)

I'm waiting too.  It'll be fine.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 04, 2014, 06:05:43 PM
you sure you haven't started yet?  ;)

I'm waiting too.  It'll be fine.

(http://i2.wp.com/www.cegphoto.com/media/2013/08/what-me-worry-mad-magazine-alfred-newman.jpg?zoom=1.5&resize=400%2C266)
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 04, 2014, 06:41:12 PM
Just registered...glad I didn't worry about it.  ;)
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: AmandaK on March 04, 2014, 06:43:17 PM
Just registered...glad I didn't worry about it.  ;)

Now if udubdawg registers, there's gonna be a cider throwdown! :D
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: wmbolling on March 04, 2014, 07:37:48 PM

Everyone who has registered at this point should have received an email directly from Altitude Tickets yesterday prompting you to pay for your registration. In that email, you will read that the deadline to pay for your conference ticket is this Sunday (3/9).

A reminder email will be sent tomorrow (3/5) as well as Friday (3/7).

If you have already registered and have not received any information about paying for your ticket, please contact Altitude Tickets:

Altitude Tickets Customer Service
303-405-6066, option 2
customerservice@altitudetickets.com
Monday – Friday | 9:00 am – 6:00 pm MT
Saturday | 10:00 am – 1:00 pm MT

Thanks!

Cheers,

Matt Bolling
Events & Membership Coordinator
American Homebrewers Association
736 Pearl St |Boulder, CO, 80302
303.447.0816 ext 184
matt@brewersassociation.org
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on March 04, 2014, 08:20:41 PM

Everyone who has registered at this point should have received an email directly from Altitude Tickets yesterday prompting you to pay for your registration. In that email, you will read that the deadline to pay for your conference ticket is this Sunday (3/9).

 it was 25 minutes ago - not yesterday - but whatever...I'm in!
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 04, 2014, 08:29:25 PM

Everyone who has registered at this point should have received an email directly from Altitude Tickets yesterday prompting you to pay for your registration. In that email, you will read that the deadline to pay for your conference ticket is this Sunday (3/9).

 it was 25 minutes ago - not yesterday - but whatever...I'm in!


I guess they were saving the best for last, huh udub  ;)

Now that I'm in, I've already bought a ticket for the Bacon and Beer Brunch on Wednesday.  https://www.homebrewing.org/Bacon-and-Beer-Brunch_p_4647.html
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dkfick on March 04, 2014, 10:05:52 PM
I'm holding off on that as I'm unsure if I'm going out Tuesday or Wednesday.  Tuesday if I get my BJCP Written test results back and I scored under 75. Wednesday morning if I scored 75+ lol.... Going to book the hotel for Tuesday and adjust if needed (hopefully it will be needed lol)
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: bonjour on March 04, 2014, 10:15:35 PM
I'm holding off on that as I'm unsure if I'm going out Tuesday or Wednesday.  Tuesday if I get my BJCP Written test results back and I scored under 75. Wednesday morning if I scored 75+ lol.... Going to book the hotel for Tuesday and adjust if needed (hopefully it will be needed lol)
Dan, if you (or any of the other GC candidates) win, you have a Wednesday morning meeting that will last into the afternoon, and you bring the beer.

I always get in on Tuesday night for that reason.
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Post by: udubdawg on March 04, 2014, 10:49:18 PM
I always like to get there Tuesday night.
Already signed up for the Wed. morning mead exam.  The process of becoming a judge improved my beers more than anything else; I'm hoping this study process I'm in does a bit of the same with my mead, which still needs help. 

want to take the mead/cider tour, but am waiting to see what the subject of the BJCP Judge Reception is.  With the upcoming Cider Guideline updates, I'd be unlikely to miss any training that had to do with cider.

cheers--
--Michael

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Post by: wv_brewer on March 05, 2014, 12:57:06 AM
The link in the email I received does not work.  I tried to copy and paste and that does not work either.  Anyone else having this problem?
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Post by: Jimmy K on March 05, 2014, 12:59:05 AM
Haven't heard of this problem. Maybe try a different browser? If not, call the customer service further up this thread.

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Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: udubdawg on March 05, 2014, 02:12:58 AM
link didn't work for me and neither did copy/paste in IE, but was able to highlight and open in new window with Firefox.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dkfick on March 05, 2014, 12:54:17 PM
I'm holding off on that as I'm unsure if I'm going out Tuesday or Wednesday.  Tuesday if I get my BJCP Written test results back and I scored under 75. Wednesday morning if I scored 75+ lol.... Going to book the hotel for Tuesday and adjust if needed (hopefully it will be needed lol)
Dan, if you (or any of the other GC candidates) win, you have a Wednesday morning meeting that will last into the afternoon, and you bring the beer.

I always get in on Tuesday night for that reason.
Yeah even with a morning session on Weds I would likely drive it in that morning... I'm a cheap bastard.  Of course this depends on if I need to retake the written exam which is scheduled on Tuesday ;D  I'm booking the hotel for tuesday and will hope for the best ;-)
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Post by: Jimmy K on March 05, 2014, 01:40:16 PM
Yeah even with a morning session on Weds I would likely drive it in that morning... I'm a cheap bastard.  Of course this depends on if I need to retake the written exam which is scheduled on Tuesday ;D  I'm booking the hotel for tuesday and will hope for the best ;-)
Unless you've heard differently, the exams are scheduled for June 11, which is Wednesday.
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Post by: dkfick on March 05, 2014, 01:41:42 PM
The written exam is listed as being on Tuesday on the NHC site.
http://www.ahaconference.org/events/conference-week-events/
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Post by: Jimmy K on March 05, 2014, 01:47:07 PM
I guess you have. :)
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Post by: Bill Bopp on March 05, 2014, 02:56:49 PM
The written exam is listed as being on Tuesday on the NHC site.
http://www.ahaconference.org/events/conference-week-events/

Odd.  BJCP web site shows Wednesday June 11th.
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Post by: dkfick on March 05, 2014, 03:25:37 PM
The written exam is listed as being on Tuesday on the NHC site.
http://www.ahaconference.org/events/conference-week-events/

Odd.  BJCP web site shows Wednesday June 11th.
I think that's just because that format only allows you enter 1 day for the exam and they didn't want to enter all the exams separately in the list.
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: denny on March 05, 2014, 04:00:01 PM
Dan, if you (or any of the other GC candidates) win, you have a Wednesday morning meeting that will last into the afternoon, and you bring the beer.

I always get in on Tuesday night for that reason.

Note the bolded part...it's part of the initiation rites before we teach you the secret handshale!
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: morticaixavier on March 05, 2014, 04:09:04 PM
Dan, if you (or any of the other GC candidates) win, you have a Wednesday morning meeting that will last into the afternoon, and you bring the beer.

I always get in on Tuesday night for that reason.

Note the bolded part...it's part of the initiation rites before we teach you the secret handshale!

does it have to be homebrew? that's gonna make for a heavy suitcase. I packed 21 bottles in my suitcase for philly. each wrapped in bubble wrap and duct tape and inside a big wooly sock. it was june and I had 10.5 pairs of thick wool socks and two pairs of socks I could actully wear.
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Post by: theDarkSide on March 05, 2014, 04:13:44 PM
Dan, if you (or any of the other GC candidates) win, you have a Wednesday morning meeting that will last into the afternoon, and you bring the beer.

I always get in on Tuesday night for that reason.

Note the bolded part...it's part of the initiation rites before we teach you the secret handshale!
I'd bring them a 30 pack of Stroh's...initiate this!  ;D

Handshale?  Is that where you shake hands and leave an oily residue?  :o

it was june and I had 10.5 pairs of thick wool socks and two pairs of socks I could actully wear.
Who you kidding?  Everyone knows you Californians only wear sandals and flip flops ;)
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: morticaixavier on March 05, 2014, 04:24:04 PM
Dan, if you (or any of the other GC candidates) win, you have a Wednesday morning meeting that will last into the afternoon, and you bring the beer.

I always get in on Tuesday night for that reason.

Note the bolded part...it's part of the initiation rites before we teach you the secret handshale!
I'd bring them a 30 pack of Stroh's...initiate this!  ;D

Handshale?  Is that where you shake hands and leave an oily residue?  :o

it was june and I had 10.5 pairs of thick wool socks and two pairs of socks I could actully wear.
Who you kidding?  Everyone knows you Californians only wear sandals and flip flops ;)

true. I spent a significant amount of my time there is flip flops and a kilt
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: denny on March 05, 2014, 05:37:46 PM
does it have to be homebrew? that's gonna make for a heavy suitcase. I packed 21 bottles in my suitcase for philly. each wrapped in bubble wrap and duct tape and inside a big wooly sock. it was june and I had 10.5 pairs of thick wool socks and two pairs of socks I could actully wear.

Nope.  One year, after Gordon had taken a trip to Belgium, he brought a cooler full of beer he'd brought back.  So, if you want a role model....;)
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: dkfick on March 05, 2014, 05:44:57 PM
I'm holding off on that as I'm unsure if I'm going out Tuesday or Wednesday.  Tuesday if I get my BJCP Written test results back and I scored under 75. Wednesday morning if I scored 75+ lol.... Going to book the hotel for Tuesday and adjust if needed (hopefully it will be needed lol)
Dan, if you (or any of the other GC candidates) win, you have a Wednesday morning meeting that will last into the afternoon, and you bring the beer.

I always get in on Tuesday night for that reason.
I'll be sure to bring a keg of the 'fine' homebrew I supply for your BJCP tests Fred ;-)
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Post by: bonjour on March 05, 2014, 06:01:27 PM
It's your life Dan  :o
Title: Re: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: klickitat jim on March 05, 2014, 06:51:14 PM
But, just pretend you're Belgian and on tour of the Stroh's brewery. Its a treat and look at the airfare you saved.
Title: NHC 2014 - Lottery System for Registration?
Post by: pudgym29 on March 10, 2014, 07:01:13 AM
AHA NHC attendance going from 1,800 in Seattle in 2012 to 3,000 in Philadelphia in 2013 was predictable and understandable since it was the first NHC held on the U.S.A.'s east coast since Orlando, FL. in 2006. (Cincinnati, OH. in 2008 was Eastern Time, but not east coast. Baltimore, MD. in 2005 was the prior time in the mid-Atlantic.)
For Grand Rapids, MI., the cities which conceivably might motor in and out are triangulated by Madison, WI.; St. Louis, MO.; and Pittsburgh, PA. I will be driving from Chicago, IL. I suspect a lot of beer people from here haven't been to an NHC since 2010. I am unsure how soon I will arrive in Grand Rapids, but I will get back to Chicago on Sunday.
Now to find a hotel room for these nights. Ehh boy: I have a rough time dealing with hotels for NHC. For the last three years, the person who had agreed to share a hotel room with me dropped out within a week of the NHC and I got stuck for the entire humungous hotel tab. :P
Gazing at the list of prior NHCs (http://www.ahaconference.org/conference/past-conferences/), the most eyebrow-raising location which has not hosted in a long time would be somewhere in Wisconsin.