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Title: Yeast options
Post by: flbrewer on December 28, 2013, 04:15:03 PM
Looking at a kit online (Surly Furious IPA clone) and there are a few options for yeast.
1)  Any thoughts and would this make a difference in the taste?
2)  Would you spring for a cold shipping options for an additional buck or two?

Safale Ale S-04 Whitbread Strain (11.5 grams)   +$3.29

British Ale II Yeast Activator - Wyeast 1335 - 4.25 oz.   +$6.29

Headwaters Ale Wyeast ACT1000 - 4.25 oz.   +$6.29

White Labs Dry English Ale Yeast WL007   +$6.29
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: majorvices on December 28, 2013, 04:19:05 PM
I dislike S-04 but I do like WLp007.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: Iliff Ave on December 28, 2013, 04:41:52 PM
The one time I ordered liquid yeast online I had a bad experience so I only order dry. I would do with the s-04 as long as you can ferment cool. I used s-04 in my most recent pale and fermented at 62 with really good results. Again, my opinion is based more on cost and one bad experience.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: HoosierBrew on December 28, 2013, 04:44:24 PM
+1 to 007(1098). It's a really good strain.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: denny on December 28, 2013, 04:47:14 PM
The recipe for Furious is in the book I just worked on.  According to the recipe, they use Wyeast 1335 British Ale II.  So, whichever of your choices is most like that is correct.  FWIW, here's the extract recipe, from the brewery...

Crush these specialty grains and steep in 2.5 gal. (9.5 L) of water
at 160°F (71°C) for 20 minutes:
■■ 12 oz. (340 g) English Medium Crystal malt
■■ 8 oz. (225 g) Belgian aromatic malt
■■ 2 oz. (57 g) English roasted barley
■■ .5 oz. (14 g) Amarillo hop pellets (9.5% AA)
Strain the grain into your brewpot. Bring the wort to a boil,
remove from the heat, and add:
■■ 6.3 lb. (2.85 kg) light liquid malt extract
Stir well until the extract is completely dissolved. Add water as
needed to bring the total volume to 3 gal. (11.3 L). Bring the wort
to a rolling boil and add:
■■ 1.6 oz. (45.36 g) Warrior hop pellets (16% AA)
Boil for 45 minutes, remove from the heat, and then add:
■■ 2 lb. (.9 kg) light dry malt extract
Boil for another 15 minutes, remove from the heat and add:
■■ 2 oz. (57 g) Amarillo hop pellets (9.5% AA)
Chill the wort as quickly as possible to below 80°F (27°C), using
an ice bath or wort chiller. Transfer the wort to the fermenter
and add cold water to bring the total volume to 5.5 gal. (20.8 L).
Aerate the wort. Add the yeast:
■■ Wyeast 1335 British Ale II
Ferment at 68°F (20°C) until final gravity is achieved. Siphon to
a secondary fermenter and allow the beer to condition for 1 to 2
weeks. Add:
■■ 1 oz. (28.35 g) Warrior whole-leaf hops (16% AA)
■■ .25 oz. (7.08 g) Ahtanum whole-leaf hops (6% AA)
■■ .25 oz. (7.08 g) Amarillo whole-leaf hops (9.5% AA)
■■ .25 oz. (7.08 g) Simcoe whole-leaf hops (13% AA)
Allow the beer to condition for 1 to 2 weeks. Bottle when
fermentation is complete with:
■■ 5 oz. (140 g) corn sugar
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: flbrewer on December 28, 2013, 04:52:21 PM
Denny, I thought the British I listed above was an "activator" and not a yeast. As in, this would be an addition to another yeast. Am I confused?



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Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: denny on December 28, 2013, 04:55:24 PM
Denny, I thought the British I listed above was an "activator" and not a yeast. As in, this would be an addition to another yeast. Am I confused?



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Activator is simply the form of packaging.  I missed that you had listed 1335 above.  Keep in mind that the OG of this beer is high enough that if you use a liquid yeast you'll need to make a starter with it.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: flbrewer on December 28, 2013, 05:00:44 PM
Whoops! I meant Surly Ferocious....this changes everything! Or does it?
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: denny on December 28, 2013, 05:02:35 PM
Whoops! I meant Surly Ferocious....this changes everything! Or does it?

I've never even heard of that one, so I don't think I can help.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: flbrewer on December 28, 2013, 05:04:40 PM
Whoops! I meant Surly Ferocious....this changes everything! Or does it?

I've never even heard of that one, so I don't think I can help.

OK, losing my mind slowly...Ferocious is a Furious clone...emergency over, carry on.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: flbrewer on January 06, 2014, 08:49:12 PM

Activator is simply the form of packaging.  I missed that you had listed 1335 above.  Keep in mind that the OG of this beer is high enough that if you use a liquid yeast you'll need to make a starter with it.
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Denny,
Can you elaborate on what a starter is, or point me in the direction for good instructions? Thanks!
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: denny on January 06, 2014, 09:17:49 PM

Activator is simply the form of packaging.  I missed that you had listed 1335 above.  Keep in mind that the OG of this beer is high enough that if you use a liquid yeast you'll need to make a starter with it.

Denny,
Can you elaborate on what a starter is, or point me in the direction for good instructions? Thanks!
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Take a look at mrmalty.com for some great info.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: flbrewer on January 06, 2014, 09:44:56 PM
Denny,
Would you consider this beer a high gravity beer that even needs a starter? The recipe lists the following gravity ranges;
SG- 1.064-1.068
FG- 1.012-1.018
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: morticaixavier on January 06, 2014, 09:48:14 PM
Denny,
Would you consider this beer a high gravity beer that even needs a starter? The recipe lists the following gravity ranges;
SG- 1.064-1.068
FG- 1.012-1.018

it wouldn't hurt. if the yeast is liquid and anything short of super fresh (check the used by date on WYeast packages) you will do well to make a starter.

simplest form is ~100 grams Dry Malt Extract (DME) to 1000 ml water, boil to dissolve/sanitize, pour into a sanitized container with ~30% more capacity than the starter volume and add the yeast. Swirl the whole thing everytime you walk by for a couple/few days and then put in the fridge 2 days before pitching. Decant most of the liquid and pitch the slurry at the bottom. Mr Malty elaborates
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: blatz on January 06, 2014, 09:57:11 PM
Denny,
Would you consider this beer a high gravity beer that even needs a starter? The recipe lists the following gravity ranges;
SG- 1.064-1.068
FG- 1.012-1.018

over 1.040 ale, yes.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: jeffy on January 06, 2014, 10:24:10 PM
Denny,
Would you consider this beer a high gravity beer that even needs a starter? The recipe lists the following gravity ranges;
SG- 1.064-1.068
FG- 1.012-1.018

it wouldn't hurt. if the yeast is liquid and anything short of super fresh (check the used by date on WYeast packages) you will do well to make a starter.

simplest form is ~100 grams Dry Malt Extract (DME) to 1000 ml water, boil to dissolve/sanitize, pour into a sanitized container with ~30% more capacity than the starter volume and chill to pitching temps then  add the yeast. Swirl the whole thing everytime you walk by for a couple/few days and then put in the fridge 2 days before pitching. Decant most of the liquid and pitch the slurry at the bottom. Mr Malty elaborates
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: morticaixavier on January 06, 2014, 10:25:11 PM
Denny,
Would you consider this beer a high gravity beer that even needs a starter? The recipe lists the following gravity ranges;
SG- 1.064-1.068
FG- 1.012-1.018

it wouldn't hurt. if the yeast is liquid and anything short of super fresh (check the used by date on WYeast packages) you will do well to make a starter.

simplest form is ~100 grams Dry Malt Extract (DME) to 1000 ml water, boil to dissolve/sanitize, pour into a sanitized container with ~30% more capacity than the starter volume and chill to pitching temps then  add the yeast. Swirl the whole thing everytime you walk by for a couple/few days and then put in the fridge 2 days before pitching. Decant most of the liquid and pitch the slurry at the bottom. Mr Malty elaborates

thanks Jeffy :o
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: flbrewer on January 06, 2014, 11:28:10 PM
The (starter yeast) process looks necessary but perhaps a little out of my comfort zone. I don't have any extra DME on hand (LHBS hopefully has small bags) and I don't have a digital scale. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 06, 2014, 11:32:10 PM
The (starter yeast) process looks necessary but perhaps a little out of my comfort zone. I don't have any extra DME on hand (LHBS hopefully has small bags) and I don't have a digital scale. Any thoughts?

Yeah, use 2 smack packs of Wyeast.  it'll be enough yeast for a beer of that OG.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: flbrewer on January 07, 2014, 12:46:58 AM
Thanks to everyone! I just read this link below and it seems easy enough to follow.

http://www.howtobrew.com/section1/chapter6-5.html
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: dkfick on January 07, 2014, 02:37:54 PM
Yeah I would suggest getting into yeast starters... It's really needed to get your pitch count up high enough for most beers you brew.  Buying 2-4 packs of yeast gets expensive real quick.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 07, 2014, 02:50:58 PM
Yeah I would suggest getting into yeast starters... It's really needed to get your pitch count up high enough for most beers you brew.  Buying 2-4 packs of yeast gets expensive real quick.

Agreed.  I recommended using 2 packs because he didn't seem comfortable with a starter. But long term, it's obviously cheaper.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: klickitat jim on January 07, 2014, 02:57:39 PM
I know a guy who went all grain before buying a stir plate and flask. Oh, wait... I am a guy who went all grain before buying a stir plate and flask. I do that different if I had a time machine
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: morticaixavier on January 07, 2014, 04:04:45 PM
I know a guy who went all grain before buying a stir plate and flask. Oh, wait... I am a guy who went all grain before buying a stir plate and flask. I do that different if I had a time machine

Bah, I still don't have a stir plate and my flask just sits in the cupboard. Half gallon mason jars and regular swirling works for me. I'll save the stir plate money for ingredients
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: Joe Sr. on January 07, 2014, 04:32:49 PM
I'll save the stir plate money for ingredients

I built both my stir plates for maybe a $5 investment because I didn't have any power switches sitting around.  I had everything else, so it was simple.

Old hard drive for magnets, computer fan, cigar box, old Nokia power adapter.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: denny on January 07, 2014, 04:40:20 PM
Denny,
Would you consider this beer a high gravity beer that even needs a starter? The recipe lists the following gravity ranges;
SG- 1.064-1.068
FG- 1.012-1.018

Yep.  My experience is that anything over 1.040 OG needs a starter.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: denny on January 07, 2014, 04:42:46 PM
I know a guy who went all grain before buying a stir plate and flask. Oh, wait... I am a guy who went all grain before buying a stir plate and flask. I do that different if I had a time machine

Bah, I still don't have a stir plate and my flask just sits in the cupboard. Half gallon mason jars and regular swirling works for me. I'll save the stir plate money for ingredients

I'm with you.  The only reason I use a stir plate is because someone gave me one.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 07, 2014, 04:50:57 PM
I know a guy who went all grain before buying a stir plate and flask. Oh, wait... I am a guy who went all grain before buying a stir plate and flask. I do that different if I had a time machine

Bah, I still don't have a stir plate and my flask just sits in the cupboard. Half gallon mason jars and regular swirling works for me. I'll save the stir plate money for ingredients

+1.  Same here.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: erockrph on January 07, 2014, 05:55:35 PM
I know a guy who went all grain before buying a stir plate and flask. Oh, wait... I am a guy who went all grain before buying a stir plate and flask. I do that different if I had a time machine

Bah, I still don't have a stir plate and my flask just sits in the cupboard. Half gallon mason jars and regular swirling works for me. I'll save the stir plate money for ingredients

+1.  Same here.

+2 - I rarely make starters because I only brew 3 gallon batches, but when I do (i.e., lagers) I just use a 1-gallon jug.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: hopfenundmalz on January 07, 2014, 07:19:28 PM
I know a guy who went all grain before buying a stir plate and flask. Oh, wait... I am a guy who went all grain before buying a stir plate and flask. I do that different if I had a time machine

Bah, I still don't have a stir plate and my flask just sits in the cupboard. Half gallon mason jars and regular swirling works for me. I'll save the stir plate money for ingredients

I'm with you.  The only reason I use a stir plate is because someone gave me one.

Someone gave me one when he moved, I bought a stir starter, and I won another stir starter in a raffle. I'm set for a while.
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: el_capitan on January 07, 2014, 09:03:17 PM
I dislike S-04 but I do like WLp007.

+1.  I brewed the Surly Furious clone last year and used WLP007.  It was great.  I used the slurry for an Abrasive Ale clone, and that too was awesome. 
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: morticaixavier on January 07, 2014, 09:34:58 PM
I'll save the stir plate money for ingredients

I built both my stir plates for maybe a $5 investment because I didn't have any power switches sitting around.  I had everything else, so it was simple.

Old hard drive for magnets, computer fan, cigar box, old Nokia power adapter.

yeah, but back when I was paid by the hour I was worth ~ 70-80 bucks an hour, so 5 bucks in parts plus ~1-2 hours and we're talking serious money. ;D
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: jeffy on January 07, 2014, 10:11:47 PM
I'll save the stir plate money for ingredients

I built both my stir plates for maybe a $5 investment because I didn't have any power switches sitting around.  I had everything else, so it was simple.

Old hard drive for magnets, computer fan, cigar box, old Nokia power adapter.

yeah, but back when I was paid by the hour I was worth ~ 70-80 bucks an hour, so 5 bucks in parts plus ~1-2 hours and we're talking serious money. ;D

I'll bet that would make your homebrew pretty expensive, too, if you counted the time at that rate. :o
Title: Re: Yeast options
Post by: morticaixavier on January 07, 2014, 11:27:04 PM
I'll save the stir plate money for ingredients

I built both my stir plates for maybe a $5 investment because I didn't have any power switches sitting around.  I had everything else, so it was simple.

Old hard drive for magnets, computer fan, cigar box, old Nokia power adapter.

yeah, but back when I was paid by the hour I was worth ~ 70-80 bucks an hour, so 5 bucks in parts plus ~1-2 hours and we're talking serious money. ;D

I'll bet that would make your homebrew pretty expensive, too, if you counted the time at that rate. :o

the difference being I ENJOY making beer and HATE working with electronics