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Title: Horrible siphoning
Post by: jaftak22 on January 04, 2014, 09:25:32 PM
So I just siphoned my first all grain batch with my auto siphon. I don't know what I was doing wrong but it just didn't work as I had planned. Should have been a simple task but I think the hose was to long so I cut it shorter. When that happened the beer was splashing in the bucket. Nothing to crazy but I am worried I might have ruined my beer. Looking here for anyone who could hopefully tell me I didn't ruin it, don't sugar coat it just give me the truth.

The beer like I said was splashing but not uncontrollably, it just created a lot of bubbles on the surface of my secondary fermenter.
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: Wheat_Brewer on January 04, 2014, 09:36:11 PM
If you were siphoning into a secondary and introduced some air I wouldn't worry too much :)

It's of course a good thing to minimize air into your beer, but I think the core flavor of your beer will remain, with minimal (if any) off flavors.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: jaftak22 on January 04, 2014, 09:38:48 PM
Thanks for giving me hope. It just hasn't been a good morning, right after all this happened I broke my hydrometer.
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: davidgzach on January 04, 2014, 09:40:42 PM
So I just siphoned my first all grain batch with my auto siphon. I don't know what I was doing wrong but it just didn't work as I had planned. Should have been a simple task but I think the hose was to long so I cut it shorter. When that happened the beer was splashing in the bucket. Nothing to crazy but I am worried I might have ruined my beer. Looking here for anyone who could hopefully tell me I didn't ruin it, don't sugar coat it just give me the truth.

The beer like I said was splashing but not uncontrollably, it just created a lot of bubbles on the surface of my secondary fermenter.

Were you siphoning from the boil kettle to the primary fermentation bucket or from the bucket to a secondary or keg post fermentation?
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: jaftak22 on January 04, 2014, 09:48:54 PM
I was siphoning from the primary to the secondary
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: klickitat jim on January 04, 2014, 09:55:49 PM
I don't care for auto siphon and now just use a length of tubing. I start it with a sanitized turkey baster.

What are you secondary fermenting on, fruit?
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: Stevie on January 04, 2014, 10:05:58 PM
Maybe your hose was too short. I've made that mistake before.
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: speed on January 04, 2014, 10:10:13 PM
Maybe your hose was too short. I've made that mistake before.
:D
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: fmader on January 04, 2014, 10:51:48 PM
Maybe your hose was too short. I've made that mistake before.

That's what she said
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: punatic on January 05, 2014, 02:21:56 AM
I don't care for auto siphon and now just use a length of tubing. I start it with a sanitized turkey baster.

Hey, I have a friend named Turkey Baster.  He rides a motorcycle so he doesn't use an auto syphon either. (He was named after his dad)

Back on the syphoning path, (https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=17587.0) again?!  :o
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: jaftak22 on January 05, 2014, 03:16:51 AM
How the crap do you use a turkey baster to siphon? Someone please explain
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: mugwort on January 05, 2014, 03:20:15 AM
So I just siphoned my first all grain batch with my auto siphon. I don't know what I was doing wrong but it just didn't work as I had planned. Should have been a simple task but I think the hose was to long so I cut it shorter. When that happened the beer was splashing in the bucket. Nothing to crazy but I am worried I might have ruined my beer. Looking here for anyone who could hopefully tell me I didn't ruin it, don't sugar coat it just give me the truth.

The beer like I said was splashing but not uncontrollably, it just created a lot of bubbles on the surface of my secondary fermenter.

I quite like the auto-siphon.  Been using them for years because they are so convenient.

One trick is (as you found out) is to pay attention to the hose length.  Ideally it should be around a foot longer than the distance between the bend of the cane at full extension to the base of the destination bucket/keg/fermenter.  This will keep the hose in contact with the bottom of the vessel but not leave too much extra to wrap around the inside.

Since the difference in elevation between the two vessels is something you choose, it's easy to vary the available hose length using your existing hose just by raising or lowering a vessel until you're pleased with the result.

Your beer is likely fine, especially if it's a style that'll be consumed rather quickly.  Like the hydrometer, consider it another educational experience.  I've broken plenty of those.

Most importantly, congrats on your first AG batch!
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 05, 2014, 03:24:14 AM
Maybe your hose was too short. I've made that mistake before.

That's what she said

Good call !      ;)
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 05, 2014, 03:25:19 AM
I don't care for auto siphon and now just use a length of tubing. I start it with a sanitized turkey baster.



+1.  That's what I do too now.
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: klickitat jim on January 05, 2014, 11:40:23 AM
How the crap do you use a turkey baster to siphon? Someone please explain

Sanitize tubing and turkey baster. Place tube in beer. Sqeeze baster, shove into end of tubing, relax the squeeze. When beer flows put in keg.

The baster just replaces what your mouth would do if you suck stated it.
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: davidgzach on January 05, 2014, 01:58:47 PM
I was siphoning from the primary to the secondary

How much splashing?  If you introduced Oxygen post fermentation you could have a problem......

Dave
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: reverseapachemaster on January 05, 2014, 05:33:42 PM
The baster just replaces what your mouth would do if you suck stated it.

NEVER tell my wife that.
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: euge on January 05, 2014, 05:41:04 PM
I installed spigots in my buckets. No need to siphon. Just drain.
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: gmac on January 05, 2014, 06:37:28 PM
It will be fine. You'll drink that first AG so fast it won't make bit of difference. Now stop using secondary and gt right to bottling/kegging. Plus if you plan to bottle condition, the yeast will use up what O2 you added.
There is a lot of truth in RDWHAHB! 
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: jaftak22 on January 05, 2014, 07:42:34 PM
Thanks for the info Jim. Going to get a turkey baster.
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: davidgzach on January 05, 2014, 08:58:41 PM
The beer like I said was splashing but not uncontrollably, it just created a lot of bubbles on the surface of my secondary fermenter.

+1 to skipping the secondary moving forward.  In looking back, this does not sound like a problem.  But the yeast will not consume all of the Oxygen past certain levels which is why one of the cardinal rules is to avoid splashing when transferring.

Dave
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: klickitat jim on January 05, 2014, 09:09:54 PM
Don't skip the secondary fermentor if you are doing a secondary fermentation though.
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: davidgzach on January 05, 2014, 09:36:27 PM
Don't skip the secondary fermentor if you are doing a secondary fermentation though.

Well put.....
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: theDarkSide on January 06, 2014, 01:36:33 PM
I love my Autosiphon.  I have the 1/2" version and it transfers in no time.  Just don't assemble it when it's dry.  I did that once and it never got good suction again ( which is why I now have the 1/2" version so it all worked out in the end ).
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: Wheat_Brewer on January 06, 2014, 02:11:14 PM
Don't skip the secondary fermentor if you are doing a secondary fermentation though.

Where's my quote book?! I need to write down this sage wisdom  ;D
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: ynotbrusum on January 06, 2014, 07:32:02 PM
Don't skip the secondary fermentor if you are doing a secondary fermentation though.

Where's my quote book?! I need to write down this sage wisdom  ;D

And Art Linkletter would be so proud...as well as Yogi Berra!  But it's so true, Jim.  I once heard someone say "I need to be more intentional about doing the things I intend to do".  Now that also applies to homebrewing!
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: klickitat jim on January 06, 2014, 11:48:52 PM
It seems so simple, but I used to think every beer needed a secondary. Maybe because so many instructions mention it. Now there is a swing toward never secondary. I'm just pointing out why it's called secondary fermentor... hence when to use one.
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: euge on January 07, 2014, 12:13:31 AM
The "swing" happened years ago.
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: klickitat jim on January 07, 2014, 01:38:17 AM
I'm sure it did, but also still in process otherwise recently new brewers wouldn't be assuming you need to do it.
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: euge on January 07, 2014, 02:11:17 AM
Brewer's are reluctant to change what works for them as well.
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: punatic on January 07, 2014, 03:50:17 AM
It seems so simple, but I used to think every beer needed a secondary. Maybe because so many instructions mention it. Now there is a swing toward never secondary. I'm just pointing out why it's called secondary fermentor... hence when to use one.

"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is."
- Yogi Berra
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: HoosierBrew on January 07, 2014, 02:24:58 PM
It seems so simple, but I used to think every beer needed a secondary. Maybe because so many instructions mention it. Now there is a swing toward never secondary. I'm just pointing out why it's called secondary fermentor... hence when to use one.

"In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is."
- Yogi Berra


Yogi was priceless !
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: Jimmy K on January 07, 2014, 04:53:12 PM
The "swing" happened years ago.
In our small circle, but remember that AHA poll where most people indicated they were still using secondary every time?
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: euge on January 07, 2014, 08:21:34 PM
I don't remember. :(

Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: Jimmy K on January 07, 2014, 09:16:18 PM
I don't remember. :(
Might have missed it.
http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=17600.0
Title: Re: Horrible siphoning
Post by: jaftak22 on January 08, 2014, 05:38:00 AM
I think next time I am not even going to go with a secondary on a beer like this. I lost probably 6 or 7 beers throughout this whole process