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Title: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: babalu87 on March 30, 2010, 02:08:46 AM
I entered one beer tonight and cant enter another.

This is quite a bummer as I have 5 other entries bottled up.

Is this the first year a region has reached its quota?
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: Janis on March 30, 2010, 04:45:23 AM
Hi Babalu87,

I have to say I'm quite surprised by this turn of events myself.  This is the first time that we have had a region hit the limit since the limit was put in place.

You may still be able to enter your beers.  The system will delete entries that were made over 24 or 48 hours ago (I don't recall which it is right now), but that have not been paid for.  Keep checking the online registration because new openings will occur.

Good luck in the competition!

Cheers,
     Janis Gross
     NHC Director
     janis@brewersassociation.org
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: smokeeater on March 30, 2010, 01:14:47 PM
Midwest closed, too.  From what I read in the rules, this has never happened before--and now twice, at least.  Bummer.  I guess I'll just drink my maibock... ;)
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: babalu87 on March 30, 2010, 01:38:12 PM
Midwest closed, too.  From what I read in the rules, this has never happened before--and now twice, at least.  Bummer.  I guess I'll just drink my maibock... ;)

I have a Black IPA, Columbus IPA, Dunkel, Dunkelweizen, German Pils and a Rauchbier to drink. Must have literally been the last entry for the Northeast with a Doppelbock...........once I tried to enter another it was closed
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: narvin on March 30, 2010, 02:28:53 PM
Undoubtedly packed with Jamil recipe clones from some stupid brewing army...
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: bluesman on March 30, 2010, 02:42:15 PM
Looks like the competition will be greater this year.
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: HIJINX on March 30, 2010, 02:44:31 PM
I was disappointed to find out that there was no room in a NATIONAL competition for my beer. War of the Worts, a local competition in the same area, had more than 800 entries and had no problems getting it done.>:(

Maybe it is time to redistribute or add another region in the Northeast. I think the only way to really determine who has the best beer is to give everyone a shot.
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 30, 2010, 03:12:51 PM
Undoubtedly packed with Jamil recipe clones from some stupid brewing army...

80 Classic Styles....BN ARMY!!!!

Maybe it is time to redistribute or add another region in the Northeast. I think the only way to really determine who has the best beer is to give everyone a shot.

A New England region would be nice so I could drop off rather than spend $$$ to ship to Philly.
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: Janis on March 30, 2010, 04:52:57 PM
I was disappointed to find out that there was no room in a NATIONAL competition for my beer. War of the Worts, a local competition in the same area, had more than 800 entries and had no problems getting it done.>:(

Maybe it is time to redistribute or add another region in the Northeast. I think the only way to really determine who has the best beer is to give everyone a shot.

Hi Curt,

This is the first year we have had one region hit the limit, much less two!  The Midwest Region is also closed.

Every year I evaluate the number of entries for each region on a state-by-state basis to determine if realignment is necessary.  This year was no exception, but the changes were mainly centered on lowering the entry count in the Midwest region due to the Conference being held there this year.  I effectively increased the number of states in the East region, South region and, Northwest region,  and decreased the number of states in the Midwest and Southwest regions.  I will certainly look at the regions that have hit the limit this year when I realign the regions next year.

The online registration was live on February 26 this year (5 days earlier than last year) because the deadline was moved up one week (April 1).  I'm sorry you weren't able to register your entries earlier; I hope you have better luck next year.

Cheers,
   Janis

NHC Director
AHA Project Coordinator
janis@brewersassociation.org
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: HIJINX on March 30, 2010, 06:00:22 PM
Every year I evaluate the number of entries for each region on a state-by-state basis to determine if realignment is necessary.  This year was no exception, but the changes were mainly centered on lowering the entry count in the Midwest region due to the Conference being held there this year.  I effectively increased the number of states in the East region, South region and, Northwest region,  and decreased the number of states in the Midwest and Southwest regions.  I will certainly look at the regions that have hit the limit this year when I realign the regions next year.

The online registration was live on February 26 this year (5 days earlier than last year) because the deadline was moved up one week (April 1).  I'm sorry you weren't able to register your entries earlier; I hope you have better luck next year.

Janis

I do apologize for the way I worded my statement . While I understand your irritation with my statement ...and my procrastination, please know that I truly appreciate what you and your colleagues do to run this competition.

My gripe is that there are competitions in the Philadelphia area that get 750+ entries. Adding states like NY and NJ, that potentially have a large number of brewers submitting entries to the NHC, likely minimizes the access to this competition for all the brewers in this region.

Curt
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: Janis on March 30, 2010, 06:44:08 PM
Hi Curt,

I should be the one apologizing to you.  I am a procrastinator by nature myself, and I don't hold any illusions that I wouldn't have been caught by this rule myself. I'm sorry for the way I worded my reply.

Many large or established clubs can pull off a huge competition, but the organizers of the regional competitions for the NHC don't have the same resources.  The NHC regional organizers and judge coordinators are all volunteers, some of whom belong to clubs that have their own competitions.  Trying to pull off two large competitions in a year can be draining for the people involved.  I think this is especially true if one person organizes the NHC for two or more years in a row.

I'd like to be confident in every regional competitions' ability to run a good competition, do it within budget, and give the entrants the best feedback possible, and the entry limit helps me do that.  If you have constructive ideas that can help this competition in the future, please share them with me or anyone on the Competition Sub-committee, and we'll consider them and get back to you.

Another thing you can do is to volunteer to help with a regional competition as a judge, a steward, or in some other way.  The more people who get involved, the more entries we might be able to accommodate. 

In any event, the state in the Northeast with the highest number of entries last year was PA, followed by NY, MA, NJ, CT, MD, etc.  I hope this helps.

Cheers,
   Janis
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: HIJINX on March 30, 2010, 07:08:42 PM
Janis... Thanks for taking the time to discuss this. I will help when I can. Unfortunately, at least for the foreseeable future, I am away for my company's convention at this time every year.

P.S. I PROMISE to try NOT TO BE A SLACKER NEXT YEAR ;D
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: babalu87 on March 31, 2010, 12:41:17 AM
Northeast:
CT, DE, MA, ME, NH, NJ, NY, PA, RI, and VT

CT: 3,518,288
DE: 885,122
MA: 6,593,587 
ME: 1,318,301
NH: 1,324,575
NJ: 8,707,739
NY: 19,541,453
PA: 12,604,767
RI: 1,053,209
VT: 621,760

 55 million give or take

West:
Northern CA

ENTIRE STATE of California
36,961,664

Still over 20 million away..................................................

Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: marty on March 31, 2010, 03:52:58 PM
full region = greater competition

Registration was open for 5 or 6 weeks. I entered a beer last week and the count for the North East was still under 500 - so a week before the deadline there was still a whole 1/3rd of the slots available.
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: marty on March 31, 2010, 03:59:19 PM
Undoubtedly packed with Jamil recipe clones from some stupid brewing army...

 :D  they're stupid because they got their entries in on time?
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: theDarkSide on March 31, 2010, 04:10:11 PM
Undoubtedly packed with Jamil recipe clones from some stupid brewing army...

 :D  they're stupid because they got their entries in on time?
:D  :D
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: babalu87 on March 31, 2010, 04:58:36 PM
full region = greater competition

Registration was open for 5 or 6 weeks. I entered a beer last week and the count for the North East was still under 500 - so a week before the deadline there was still a whole 1/3rd of the slots available.

I understand that it was open for 5 or 6 weeks. I made the decision to wait because 2 of the beers I wanted to send werent ready yet and I didnt want to take up spots without knowing for sure if I would be sending those beers or not.



Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: marty on March 31, 2010, 05:10:26 PM
I understand that it was open for 5 or 6 weeks. I made the decision to wait because 2 of the beers I wanted to send werent ready yet and I didnt want to take up spots without knowing for sure if I would be sending those beers or not.

spots are only held for 24 hours if they're unpaid, they would have opened back up if you decided not to send them in
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: babalu87 on March 31, 2010, 05:34:35 PM
I understand that it was open for 5 or 6 weeks. I made the decision to wait because 2 of the beers I wanted to send werent ready yet and I didnt want to take up spots without knowing for sure if I would be sending those beers or not.

spots are only held for 24 hours if they're unpaid, they would have opened back up if you decided not to send them in

I would have paid for them, I know next year I will.

Maybe I'll just spend $100 and take up 10 spots whether I am planning to send them or not.
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: enso on March 31, 2010, 07:57:57 PM
I understand that it was open for 5 or 6 weeks. I made the decision to wait because 2 of the beers I wanted to send werent ready yet and I didnt want to take up spots without knowing for sure if I would be sending those beers or not.

spots are only held for 24 hours if they're unpaid, they would have opened back up if you decided not to send them in

Huh.  I registered my beers a few weeks ago and did not get around to paying for them until last week when I added my final entries.  The beers originally entered were still there in the system.  Guess I was lucky?
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: Janis on March 31, 2010, 08:19:52 PM
I understand that it was open for 5 or 6 weeks. I made the decision to wait because 2 of the beers I wanted to send werent ready yet and I didnt want to take up spots without knowing for sure if I would be sending those beers or not.

spots are only held for 24 hours if they're unpaid, they would have opened back up if you decided not to send them in

Huh.  I registered my beers a few weeks ago and did not get around to paying for them until last week when I added my final entries.  The beers originally entered were still there in the system.  Guess I was lucky?

Hi guys,

The 24-hour "rule" only applies when a region has hit the registration limit.  Because the system has no way of knowing why the entries are not paid, unpaid entries older than 24 hours are deleted to make room for more entries below the limit until the limit is reached again.  Many entrants this year chose to pay for the entries when they registered them, so there wasn't a lot of room opened up before hitting the limit once again.  Any new entries made during the opening between hitting the limit have 24 hours to pay for the entries before they are deleted, etc.

Cheers,
   Janis Gross

NHC Director
AHA Project Coordinator
janis@brewersassociation.org
Title: Re: Northeast registration is CLOSED?!?!?
Post by: bbkf on March 31, 2010, 10:02:24 PM
Undoubtedly packed with Jamil recipe clones from some awesome brewing army...

maybe you can brew them next year.